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		<title>By: Tiberiu Bazavan</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7715</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiberiu Bazavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hey,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The word &quot;Culturism&quot; in Romanian means Body Building, and as you may think is not related to Culture at all, its related to Muscles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We even have a joke here regarding the Body Builders, that have so much Culture that they are Culturism Leaders LOL&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LOOOOLLL&lt;/p&gt;

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Hey,</p>
<p>The word &quot;Culturism&quot; in Romanian means Body Building, and as you may think is not related to Culture at all, its related to Muscles.</p>
<p>We even have a joke here regarding the Body Builders, that have so much Culture that they are Culturism Leaders LOL</p>
<p>LOOOOLLL</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Graham</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7714</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;let&#039;s pretend I did not post the dates. I believe there should be a word. I am not trying to say I came up with it first but to give examples that get to the point. I think people who have responded do not get it. (except &#039;stone&#039;). here in america we use the term &#039;racism&#039; when a person is discriminated because of how they act,dress or speak-when that person belolngs to the hip hop culture. In this country hip hop culture morals,dialect and fashion are synonymous with the black race. for this reason a black person being discriminated because of how they dress is not discriminated against because of thier skin color. The problem is there is no word for this. I agree with you 100% - btw here is the url to some dated blogs &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.everything2.net/index.pl?node_id=790729&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.everything2.net/index.pl?node_id=790729&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://thecicero.blogspot.com/2004/07/culturism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thecicero.blogspot.com/2004/07/culturism.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#39;s pretend I did not post the dates. I believe there should be a word. I am not trying to say I came up with it first but to give examples that get to the point. I think people who have responded do not get it. (except &#39;stone&#39;). here in america we use the term &#39;racism&#39; when a person is discriminated because of how they act,dress or speak-when that person belolngs to the hip hop culture. In this country hip hop culture morals,dialect and fashion are synonymous with the black race. for this reason a black person being discriminated because of how they dress is not discriminated against because of thier skin color. The problem is there is no word for this. I agree with you 100% &#8211; btw here is the url to some dated blogs <a href="http://www.everything2.net/index.pl?node_id=790729" rel="nofollow">http://www.everything2.net/index.pl?node_id=790729</a><br />
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<a href="http://thecicero.blogspot.com/2004/07/culturism.html" rel="nofollow">http://thecicero.blogspot.com/2004/07/culturism.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7713</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Any published citations, such as this date-stamped blog?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hey, I&#039;m more than happy to acknowledge that someone came up with it before I did, but as I say in the post, I&#039;d actually started talking about it years earlier, like as early as &#039;96 or &#039;97, or maybe even as early as &#039;94 when I was doing a lot of political writing. Now, I&#039;ve no way of providing evidence of that, except perhaps for a affidavit from my wife, if she even recalls, but short of you being able to cite some dated publication, then your claim to 1999 and 2002 carries no more weight than my assertion of &#039;97, &#039;98 or earlier.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any published citations, such as this date-stamped blog?</p>
<p>Hey, I&#39;m more than happy to acknowledge that someone came up with it before I did, but as I say in the post, I&#39;d actually started talking about it years earlier, like as early as &#39;96 or &#39;97, or maybe even as early as &#39;94 when I was doing a lot of political writing. Now, I&#39;ve no way of providing evidence of that, except perhaps for a affidavit from my wife, if she even recalls, but short of you being able to cite some dated publication, then your claim to 1999 and 2002 carries no more weight than my assertion of &#39;97, &#39;98 or earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Graham</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7712</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I feel that Martin Luther Kings dream has come true. Are we judged by the color of our skin or content of our character? Could it be &quot;popular American&quot; culture discriminates against a &quot;hip hop&quot; culture? A culture that encourages and attracts people who believe in violence to solve problems; in having children out of wedlock; in putting gold and platinum in your mouth or &quot;grill”; selling drugs is ok; college is not necessary; speaking broken and slang English is the norm; work ethic is not strong. Those are stereotypes for a culture. Discriminating against those values is not racism. I call it ‘clturism’.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Theodore Graham&lt;br /&gt;
December 1999&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Since racism is such a stretched and hateful term (and thing), I have started to use &#039;culturism&#039; as a definition of what I tend to. While racism stigmatizes the individual by his race, prohibiting all further personal insight, culturism solely judges a culture apart from the individual. Let me illustrate:&lt;br /&gt;
I, personally, hate traditional mexican culture. I have found it to be inefficient, counter-productive and utterly aggravating in a business sense. Some of my friends are Mexican. The difference is that those friends of mine are not representative of what I have experienced in Mexico in general. In a similar notion, someone native to Mexico and adjusted to such a lifestyle might despise the netizen worker culture. The key item in this is that the individual is not branded for his/her race or customs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bob Ellis&lt;br /&gt;
October, 2002&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that Martin Luther Kings dream has come true. Are we judged by the color of our skin or content of our character? Could it be &quot;popular American&quot; culture discriminates against a &quot;hip hop&quot; culture? A culture that encourages and attracts people who believe in violence to solve problems; in having children out of wedlock; in putting gold and platinum in your mouth or &quot;grill”; selling drugs is ok; college is not necessary; speaking broken and slang English is the norm; work ethic is not strong. Those are stereotypes for a culture. Discriminating against those values is not racism. I call it ‘clturism’.</p>
<p>Theodore Graham<br />
December 1999<br />
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<p>Since racism is such a stretched and hateful term (and thing), I have started to use &#39;culturism&#39; as a definition of what I tend to. While racism stigmatizes the individual by his race, prohibiting all further personal insight, culturism solely judges a culture apart from the individual. Let me illustrate:<br />
I, personally, hate traditional mexican culture. I have found it to be inefficient, counter-productive and utterly aggravating in a business sense. Some of my friends are Mexican. The difference is that those friends of mine are not representative of what I have experienced in Mexico in general. In a similar notion, someone native to Mexico and adjusted to such a lifestyle might despise the netizen worker culture. The key item in this is that the individual is not branded for his/her race or customs.</p>
<p>Bob Ellis<br />
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		<title>By: Carol E. Cox</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7711</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol E. Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I must take exception to the post from Doug on August 10, 2005.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Doug, the blue-eyed blond, says that blue-eyed blonds are not morally superior and that bleached people with blue contacts are not morally superior.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I, a blue-eyed Blonde, say that blue-eyed Blondes are morally superior TO bleached people because bleached people use bleach as an excuse to despoil, degrade, and devalue someone elses name and racial identity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Blonde is a human identity. Bleach is a product. Blonde is not par with a cheap toxic chemical.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most bleachers are Brunettes and Bleached Brunettes are not represented in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. EveryONE gets one share of the right to dignity for their race, colour and ethnicity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bleaching your hair to assume the image and name of another person&#039;s race, colour or ethnicity does not entitle you to any dignity for that. Brunettes get one share. Brunettes do not get two shares because they forked out $5.99 at Walmart.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If there is any dignity in being a Bleached Brunette then let them show it by using their own name with the appropriate disparaging words attached; &quot;Dumb &amp; Bleached&quot; belong to the Brunettes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The statistics are: Brunettes - 95% of all adult women in the USA; Bleached Brunettes -40% of all adult Brunette women in the USA; Blondes - 3% of all adult women in the USA.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s why there are all those Dumb jokes. They are all directly aimed at the Dumb Bleached Brunettes but they miss the target because people call them Blondes. Stop calling them Blondes. They&#039;re not Blonde.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On behalf of Blondes I hereby declare that Blondes are morally superior to Bleached Brunettes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Morality is more than what you personally won&#039;t do, it&#039;s also what you won&#039;t allow others to do. The Bleached Brunette group is composed of people who are personally immoral and also socially immoral.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bleached Brunettes all voluntarily join this group and they can unjoin anytime they&#039;ve made people hate Blondes too much. Blondes can&#039;t unjoin.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pass it on. Tell Dumb Bleached Brunette jokes and then duck, I mean, come on, can you imagine how these bleach-tossing kinderwhore types will react when people call them what they are? Watch out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The (I do apologize) kinderwhore thing is quoted from The Vancouver Sun in a review of a &#039;performance&#039; by Britney Spears; &quot;blonde kinderwhore Britney Spears...pole-humping in front of a crowd of pre-pubescent girls&quot;. Of course I told the Sun that Britney is a Bleached Brunette kinderwhore but they&#039;re still on the Blonde gravy train because there are NO limits on what Bleached Brunettes will do for money, in the name Blonde, no limits at all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
carolecox@blondfrombirth.org&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must take exception to the post from Doug on August 10, 2005.</p>
<p>Doug, the blue-eyed blond, says that blue-eyed blonds are not morally superior and that bleached people with blue contacts are not morally superior.</p>
<p>I, a blue-eyed Blonde, say that blue-eyed Blondes are morally superior TO bleached people because bleached people use bleach as an excuse to despoil, degrade, and devalue someone elses name and racial identity.</p>
<p>Blonde is a human identity. Bleach is a product. Blonde is not par with a cheap toxic chemical.</p>
<p>Most bleachers are Brunettes and Bleached Brunettes are not represented in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. EveryONE gets one share of the right to dignity for their race, colour and ethnicity.</p>
<p>Bleaching your hair to assume the image and name of another person&#39;s race, colour or ethnicity does not entitle you to any dignity for that. Brunettes get one share. Brunettes do not get two shares because they forked out $5.99 at Walmart.</p>
<p>If there is any dignity in being a Bleached Brunette then let them show it by using their own name with the appropriate disparaging words attached; &quot;Dumb &amp; Bleached&quot; belong to the Brunettes.</p>
<p>The statistics are: Brunettes &#8211; 95% of all adult women in the USA; Bleached Brunettes -40% of all adult Brunette women in the USA; Blondes &#8211; 3% of all adult women in the USA.</p>
<p>That&#39;s why there are all those Dumb jokes. They are all directly aimed at the Dumb Bleached Brunettes but they miss the target because people call them Blondes. Stop calling them Blondes. They&#39;re not Blonde.</p>
<p>On behalf of Blondes I hereby declare that Blondes are morally superior to Bleached Brunettes.</p>
<p>Morality is more than what you personally won&#39;t do, it&#39;s also what you won&#39;t allow others to do. The Bleached Brunette group is composed of people who are personally immoral and also socially immoral.</p>
<p>Bleached Brunettes all voluntarily join this group and they can unjoin anytime they&#39;ve made people hate Blondes too much. Blondes can&#39;t unjoin.</p>
<p>Pass it on. Tell Dumb Bleached Brunette jokes and then duck, I mean, come on, can you imagine how these bleach-tossing kinderwhore types will react when people call them what they are? Watch out.</p>
<p>The (I do apologize) kinderwhore thing is quoted from The Vancouver Sun in a review of a &#39;performance&#39; by Britney Spears; &quot;blonde kinderwhore Britney Spears&#8230;pole-humping in front of a crowd of pre-pubescent girls&quot;. Of course I told the Sun that Britney is a Bleached Brunette kinderwhore but they&#39;re still on the Blonde gravy train because there are NO limits on what Bleached Brunettes will do for money, in the name Blonde, no limits at all.</p>
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<a href="mailto:carolecox@blondfrombirth.org">carolecox@blondfrombirth.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: St0ne</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7710</link>
		<dc:creator>St0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree at least that there should be a word called culturalism, it&#039;s something i&#039;ve been noticing increasingly of late and the media is of course simply calling it racism, both of which is sad to see. I haven&#039;t read your post fully yet but I&#039;ll get to it, you may even find something about it on my blog later.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree at least that there should be a word called culturalism, it&#39;s something i&#39;ve been noticing increasingly of late and the media is of course simply calling it racism, both of which is sad to see. I haven&#39;t read your post fully yet but I&#39;ll get to it, you may even find something about it on my blog later.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Bennett</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7709</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doug, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s different levels of defacement.  Earrings on a woman, while I dislike them, are mild to the point of hardly worthy of notice.   On a man, it bothers me a little more, adimittedly because of a cultural bias, but not much.  At the other end are genital piercings and extreme cosmetic modifications, such as the guy who has modified the bones in his face to look like a lizard. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Though this isn&#039;t the root of my objection, one thing that really bothers me about the piercings crowd, and to a lesser extent some of the tattoo people, is that they value the pain.  That to me is profoundly immoral, and may even rise to the level of mental illness. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The military tattoo issue for me rests on some complicated and subtle principles of my objectivist philosophy, of which you are probably not even aware, and would not agree with if you were.  It would really take more time than I have to explain it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lastly, I don&#039;t recognize any mitigation of the immorality of something because of culture, except to the extent that I may judge someone much less harshly for a very mild immorality (such as ear peircing), if there is a strong cultural bias for it.  I judge culture from moral principles, not the other way around. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, </p>
<p>There&#39;s different levels of defacement.  Earrings on a woman, while I dislike them, are mild to the point of hardly worthy of notice.   On a man, it bothers me a little more, adimittedly because of a cultural bias, but not much.  At the other end are genital piercings and extreme cosmetic modifications, such as the guy who has modified the bones in his face to look like a lizard. </p>
<p>Though this isn&#39;t the root of my objection, one thing that really bothers me about the piercings crowd, and to a lesser extent some of the tattoo people, is that they value the pain.  That to me is profoundly immoral, and may even rise to the level of mental illness. </p>
<p>The military tattoo issue for me rests on some complicated and subtle principles of my objectivist philosophy, of which you are probably not even aware, and would not agree with if you were.  It would really take more time than I have to explain it. </p>
<p>Lastly, I don&#39;t recognize any mitigation of the immorality of something because of culture, except to the extent that I may judge someone much less harshly for a very mild immorality (such as ear peircing), if there is a strong cultural bias for it.  I judge culture from moral principles, not the other way around. </p>
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		<title>By: Doug Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kyle,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;  I absolutely agree with you that it is our right and duty to judge people for the purpose of deciding what degree of influence to allow them in our lives. I&#039;ve always felt that people who say &quot;never judge others&quot; are either hypocrites, or have no grasp of the process by which rational decisions are made.  (Or possibly both.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;  Each of us gets to decide what qualities of a person are important to us, so please don&#039;t think I&#039;m belittling your defacement stance (even though I happen to disagree.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;  I personally have neither tattoo&#039;s nor piercings (though I have seen both of them well done and poorly done on others, my opinion of course.)  I&#039;m curious though why you consider earings to be &quot;defacement&quot;?  And why is a military tattoo not defacement?  (This is more a curiosity issue than any attempt to make a rational argument.)  It strikes me that the issue of whether tattoos are &quot;moral&quot; is a cultural argument more than an objective debate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;   Richard, my only purpose in drawing the comparison between the guy who blows himself up in the desert and the guy who tattoos himself was to indicate that there&#039;s little point in demonizing a person for what they choose to do to their body.  I care far more about how they think (and what they&#039;re thinking of doing to *my* body) than I do about their treatment of their &lt;i&gt;corpus&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>  I absolutely agree with you that it is our right and duty to judge people for the purpose of deciding what degree of influence to allow them in our lives. I&#39;ve always felt that people who say &quot;never judge others&quot; are either hypocrites, or have no grasp of the process by which rational decisions are made.  (Or possibly both.)</p>
<p>  Each of us gets to decide what qualities of a person are important to us, so please don&#39;t think I&#39;m belittling your defacement stance (even though I happen to disagree.)</p>
<p>  I personally have neither tattoo&#39;s nor piercings (though I have seen both of them well done and poorly done on others, my opinion of course.)  I&#39;m curious though why you consider earings to be &quot;defacement&quot;?  And why is a military tattoo not defacement?  (This is more a curiosity issue than any attempt to make a rational argument.)  It strikes me that the issue of whether tattoos are &quot;moral&quot; is a cultural argument more than an objective debate.</p>
<p>   Richard, my only purpose in drawing the comparison between the guy who blows himself up in the desert and the guy who tattoos himself was to indicate that there&#39;s little point in demonizing a person for what they choose to do to their body.  I care far more about how they think (and what they&#39;re thinking of doing to *my* body) than I do about their treatment of their <i>corpus</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html#comment-7707</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think we need some distinctions. It seems odd to conflate acts such as tatoos and piercings with blowing one&#039;s self up (suicide).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I reason that the only objective moral standard in a personal context (no known cause force against others) is that which is good for the human organism (physically and emotionally) vs. that which is bad.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, body modification can be good or bad, depending on the circumstances. If one is on the very low side of the bell curve of natural beauty, then enhancements can be completely rational, even virtuous. It engaging the human mind and abilities to improve upon the arbitrary dictates of nature.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Suicide, too, can be good or bad. Bad if done for irrational, manipulative, or silly reasons. Good if a person has no better alternative (i.e., living in a no-hope, totalitarian and/or torture situation).&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need some distinctions. It seems odd to conflate acts such as tatoos and piercings with blowing one&#39;s self up (suicide).</p>
<p>I reason that the only objective moral standard in a personal context (no known cause force against others) is that which is good for the human organism (physically and emotionally) vs. that which is bad.</p>
<p>So, body modification can be good or bad, depending on the circumstances. If one is on the very low side of the bell curve of natural beauty, then enhancements can be completely rational, even virtuous. It engaging the human mind and abilities to improve upon the arbitrary dictates of nature.</p>
<p>Suicide, too, can be good or bad. Bad if done for irrational, manipulative, or silly reasons. Good if a person has no better alternative (i.e., living in a no-hope, totalitarian and/or torture situation).</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doug, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s a difference between judging a moral action and claiming moral superiority.  I too believe that tatoos and piercings are defacement, and are not only immoral in themselves, but indicators of deeper immoral beliefs. You can add to that most cosmetic surgery, particularly breast enhancement. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I&#039;ve known many people with a variety of the above (not including military tattoos, which are in a different class, for reasons I won&#039;t go into here), who are decent people.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#039;t claim moral superiority on the basis of one single factor, (I&#039;m not even sure that &quot;moral superiority&quot; is a legitimate concept), but I will judge that factor for what it is, and will consider that judgement as _part_ of my overall judgement of the person.  Unlike hair, eye, or skin color, defacing one&#039;s body is a choice, and as such has both moral causes and moral consequences. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You used the undeniable ownership of one&#039;s body in support of your opposition to moral judgement in this case, but I will just say that moral judgement goes far deeper than whether someone has a right to do something.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would never try to force someone to not do so, but if they choose to do it, I will take into account of what it says about them that they so choose in my future decision about how much to let them affect my life. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, the Jihadist has the right to go out in the desert and blow himself up (property rights issues aside), but it&#039;s still my job to judge him for that action - except that there&#039;s not much point in it anymore once he ceases to be a moral agent. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, </p>
<p>There&#39;s a difference between judging a moral action and claiming moral superiority.  I too believe that tatoos and piercings are defacement, and are not only immoral in themselves, but indicators of deeper immoral beliefs. You can add to that most cosmetic surgery, particularly breast enhancement. </p>
<p>That said, I&#39;ve known many people with a variety of the above (not including military tattoos, which are in a different class, for reasons I won&#39;t go into here), who are decent people.  </p>
<p>I wouldn&#39;t claim moral superiority on the basis of one single factor, (I&#39;m not even sure that &quot;moral superiority&quot; is a legitimate concept), but I will judge that factor for what it is, and will consider that judgement as _part_ of my overall judgement of the person.  Unlike hair, eye, or skin color, defacing one&#39;s body is a choice, and as such has both moral causes and moral consequences. </p>
<p>You used the undeniable ownership of one&#39;s body in support of your opposition to moral judgement in this case, but I will just say that moral judgement goes far deeper than whether someone has a right to do something.  </p>
<p>I would never try to force someone to not do so, but if they choose to do it, I will take into account of what it says about them that they so choose in my future decision about how much to let them affect my life. </p>
<p>Yes, the Jihadist has the right to go out in the desert and blow himself up (property rights issues aside), but it&#39;s still my job to judge him for that action &#8211; except that there&#39;s not much point in it anymore once he ceases to be a moral agent. </p>
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