Comments on: Vitamin D Deficiency Speculation in the Increase in Cesarean Childbirth http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html Expressing Our Primal Genes for Lean Health, Vitality and Attractiveness Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:46:33 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2913 Richard Nikoley Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:26:47 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2913 <p><br /> Oh, c'mon.</p> <p>Vitamin D associations are exploding all over the place. The associations are even far stronger than with smoking.</p> <p>Supplementation is going to be critical, as the ability of the skin to produce D declines with age.</p> <p>Take a look at some of these other posts and the references behind them.</p> <p><a href="http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7567464628287373%3Awin3yvc67zs&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=vitamin+D&sa=Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7567464628287373%3Awin3yvc67zs&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=vitamin+D&sa=Search</a></p> Oh, c'mon.

Vitamin D associations are exploding all over the place. The associations are even far stronger than with smoking.

Supplementation is going to be critical, as the ability of the skin to produce D declines with age.

Take a look at some of these other posts and the references behind them.

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7567464628287373%3Awin3yvc67zs&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=vitamin+D&sa=Search

]]> By: Crochets-Snowflakes http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2912 Crochets-Snowflakes Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:12:37 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2912 <p>I understand your efforts to waken people to more “natural” ways of life and diet. I’m with ya on that. <br /> But I must take issue with your assessment of Dr. Weiner’s opinion. First of all he’s talking to clinicians, and those that read the academic studies. He’s essentially warning them to avoid jumping on the Vitamin-blah-is-the-greatest bandwagon in regards to advising patients. He IS advising more education and research about the –stuff—before taking a stance. In this way, I think he is advocating use of our God-given brain and consciousness to analyze the methods and effects of these vitamins before teaching others.<br /> Second, I have met Dr. Weiner, and I know that he is not an arrogant man bent on swaying other people’s opinion as to his high level of expertise. He, like the majority of folks in the healthcare field including yourself, is motivated by “care about health”. I do not believe that you can effectively promote your ideas by bashing those ill-perceived ideas of others who have studied/researched just as or more in-depth than yourself. </p> I understand your efforts to waken people to more “natural” ways of life and diet. I’m with ya on that.
But I must take issue with your assessment of Dr. Weiner’s opinion. First of all he’s talking to clinicians, and those that read the academic studies. He’s essentially warning them to avoid jumping on the Vitamin-blah-is-the-greatest bandwagon in regards to advising patients. He IS advising more education and research about the –stuff—before taking a stance. In this way, I think he is advocating use of our God-given brain and consciousness to analyze the methods and effects of these vitamins before teaching others.
Second, I have met Dr. Weiner, and I know that he is not an arrogant man bent on swaying other people’s opinion as to his high level of expertise. He, like the majority of folks in the healthcare field including yourself, is motivated by “care about health”. I do not believe that you can effectively promote your ideas by bashing those ill-perceived ideas of others who have studied/researched just as or more in-depth than yourself.

]]> By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2911 Richard Nikoley Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:59:48 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2911 <p>Stan:</p> <p>I agree, if that didn't come out clearly in the post. In the end, this is the result of a total abandonment of an evolutionary, Paleolithic H-G life (that included lots of time outdoors). This is but one of a host of ramifications, the most obvious being the actual archeologically documented shortening of human stature beginning in the Neolithic.</p> <p>While V-D supplementation is probably a good idea for most anyone -- ESPECIALLY for those unwilling to model a Paleo-like diet -- it's not going to be a cure all.</p> Stan:

I agree, if that didn't come out clearly in the post. In the end, this is the result of a total abandonment of an evolutionary, Paleolithic H-G life (that included lots of time outdoors). This is but one of a host of ramifications, the most obvious being the actual archeologically documented shortening of human stature beginning in the Neolithic.

While V-D supplementation is probably a good idea for most anyone — ESPECIALLY for those unwilling to model a Paleo-like diet — it's not going to be a cure all.

]]> By: Stan (Heretic) http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2910 Stan (Heretic) Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:41:55 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2910 <p>I think this is just a correlation not the cause, and vitamin D (D3) deficiency is just a marker of insufficient consumption of animal produce and/or excessive reliance on wheat or plant food in general, in the diet.</p> <p>It is not only malformation of pelvic bones but also malformation of other bones (e.g. skull, teeth, palm, feet) caused by fat and meat deficient plant+wheat based diets. It was described by many researchers beginning probably with W.A.Price and many vegetarians who often report that as their biggest personal disasters.</p> <p>Regards</p> <p>Stan (Heretic)</p> I think this is just a correlation not the cause, and vitamin D (D3) deficiency is just a marker of insufficient consumption of animal produce and/or excessive reliance on wheat or plant food in general, in the diet.

It is not only malformation of pelvic bones but also malformation of other bones (e.g. skull, teeth, palm, feet) caused by fat and meat deficient plant+wheat based diets. It was described by many researchers beginning probably with W.A.Price and many vegetarians who often report that as their biggest personal disasters.

Regards

Stan (Heretic)

]]> By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2909 Richard Nikoley Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:33:55 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2909 <p><br /> Monica:</p> <p>You are always welcome -- indeed encouraged -- to comment in whatever way you judge appropriate. I trust your judgment.</p> Monica:

You are always welcome — indeed encouraged — to comment in whatever way you judge appropriate. I trust your judgment.

]]> By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2908 Richard Nikoley Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:15:01 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2908 <p><br /> George:</p> <p>I read the article and will peruse the comments (I've read some of them). Did you read the post from Stephan on vitamin A toxicity I linked to in the post? That pretty much covers it to my satisfaction.</p> <p>I take 2g of Carlson's CLO per day, which you'll note is the one Mercola thinks is more acceptable. However, I also take 6,000 IU per day of Carlson's vitamin D (3 of the 2,000 IU teardrop size gelcaps). In addition I take K2 via Green Pasture's butter oil (2 caps per day).</p> <p>Can you not get any of these products or similar in Holland? How about an international mail order?</p> George:

I read the article and will peruse the comments (I've read some of them). Did you read the post from Stephan on vitamin A toxicity I linked to in the post? That pretty much covers it to my satisfaction.

I take 2g of Carlson's CLO per day, which you'll note is the one Mercola thinks is more acceptable. However, I also take 6,000 IU per day of Carlson's vitamin D (3 of the 2,000 IU teardrop size gelcaps). In addition I take K2 via Green Pasture's butter oil (2 caps per day).

Can you not get any of these products or similar in Holland? How about an international mail order?

]]> By: Monica http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2907 Monica Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:44:58 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2907 <p>George, I read this article a few days ago... I haven't yet read the comments. Richard, I hope you don't mind me posting a reply here to George and offering up my not so humble opinion :)</p> <p>Here's my take. Mercola is full of it. He says he's never seen a ratio of A to D less than 10 to 1. Well, that's just demonstrably not true. I have my high vitamin CLO in front of me (Green Pasture's) and it has roughly 6 times as much A to D. 3500 units of A to 600 units of D. I take slightly over a teaspoon per day to get roughly 4000 units of D. That's about 23,000 units of A daily. I'm just not concerned about that amount of A given that a big meal of beef liver would give me around 40,000 IUs of vitamin A. Americans used to eat liver at least once a week. What's the big deal? (And I eat a lot of liver pate on the side of this cod liver oil, too.)</p> <p>Stephan wrote a good one on cod liver oil and vitamin A toxicity, here: <a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/is-vitamin-toxicity-concern.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/is-vitamin-toxicity-concern.html</a></p> <p>I suppose if you're really concerned you could take vitamin D3 tablets. CLO has other such great stuff in it though. EPA, DHA, and other vitamins.</p> George, I read this article a few days ago… I haven't yet read the comments. Richard, I hope you don't mind me posting a reply here to George and offering up my not so humble opinion :)

Here's my take. Mercola is full of it. He says he's never seen a ratio of A to D less than 10 to 1. Well, that's just demonstrably not true. I have my high vitamin CLO in front of me (Green Pasture's) and it has roughly 6 times as much A to D. 3500 units of A to 600 units of D. I take slightly over a teaspoon per day to get roughly 4000 units of D. That's about 23,000 units of A daily. I'm just not concerned about that amount of A given that a big meal of beef liver would give me around 40,000 IUs of vitamin A. Americans used to eat liver at least once a week. What's the big deal? (And I eat a lot of liver pate on the side of this cod liver oil, too.)

Stephan wrote a good one on cod liver oil and vitamin A toxicity, here: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/is-vitamin-toxicity-concern.html

I suppose if you're really concerned you could take vitamin D3 tablets. CLO has other such great stuff in it though. EPA, DHA, and other vitamins.

]]> By: George http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2906 George Thu, 25 Dec 2008 03:06:50 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2906 <p>Hi, I just wonder what your commend is on Dr. Mercola standpoint of view in: <a href="http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/23/important-cod-liver-oil-update.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/23/important-cod-liver-oil-update.aspx</a><br /> He even doesn't sell cod liver anymore because of the danger of too much Vitamin A. Please the whole article AND the replies, because he discusses in length why he doesn't agree with The Weston Price Foundation... </p> <p>I just don't know where I would get my Vitamin D from as I live in Holland, when Cod Liver Oil is dangerous........</p> Hi, I just wonder what your commend is on Dr. Mercola standpoint of view in: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/23/important-cod-liver-oil-update.aspx
He even doesn't sell cod liver anymore because of the danger of too much Vitamin A. Please the whole article AND the replies, because he discusses in length why he doesn't agree with The Weston Price Foundation…

I just don't know where I would get my Vitamin D from as I live in Holland, when Cod Liver Oil is dangerous……..

]]> By: Stephan http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2905 Stephan Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:26:19 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2905 <p>Brock,</p> <p>Congratulations! How gratifying. You're going to raise a little hunter gatherer. </p> Brock,

Congratulations! How gratifying. You're going to raise a little hunter gatherer.

]]> By: Brock http://freetheanimal.com/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2904 Brock Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:34:07 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2008/12/vitamin-d-deficiency-speculation-in-the-increase-in-cesarian-childbirth.html#comment-2904 <p>Well, it wasn't -just- reading the blog. :-) Weston Price's book had a lot to do with it too. :-)</p> <p>But you introduced me to Price and convinced me to buy the book, so there you have it. :)</p> Well, it wasn't -just- reading the blog. :-) Weston Price's book had a lot to do with it too. :-)

But you introduced me to Price and convinced me to buy the book, so there you have it. :)

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