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		<title>By: cardiologist</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-8431</link>
		<dc:creator>cardiologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good health was once viewed as a combination of

A. having a good doctor and eating three hearty meals a day.
B. possessing good personal habits and good luck.

C. living in the right place and possessing good personal habits.

D. good luck and the right parentage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good health was once viewed as a combination of</p>
<p>A. having a good doctor and eating three hearty meals a day.<br />
B. possessing good personal habits and good luck.</p>
<p>C. living in the right place and possessing good personal habits.</p>
<p>D. good luck and the right parentage.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-2091</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More links (Pt 2)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-risk-of-death-brief.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-risk-of-death-brief.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-health-brief.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-health-brief.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More links (Pt 2)</p>
<p><a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-risk-of-death-brief.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-risk-of-death-brief.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-health-brief.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/saturated-fat-and-health-brief.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-2090</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s some other links to look at (Pt1)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/09/keeping-it-real-food.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/09/keeping-it-real-food.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-to-do-if-your-study-contradicts.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-to-do-if-your-study-contradicts.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/masai-and-atherosclerosis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/masai-and-atherosclerosis.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-masai.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-masai.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s some other links to look at (Pt1)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/09/keeping-it-real-food.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.freetheanimal.com/root/2008/09/keeping-it-real-food.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-to-do-if-your-study-contradicts.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-to-do-if-your-study-contradicts.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/masai-and-atherosclerosis.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/masai-and-atherosclerosis.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-masai.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-masai.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-2089</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;There are 9 major risK factors for CAD: high cholesterol, high blood pressure,smoking, diabetes,physical inactivity, and obesity. So even with 1 risk factor (high cholesterol) their risk of CAD will be low.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re listed six, not nine. In any case, if you were really paying attention to the blog, you would understand that I have never denied that certain associations exist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s the big one, in my view:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Diabetes, cancer, obesity, stroke and heart disease is heavily associated with grain, processed vegetable and derivative processed food based diets.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which, of course, leads to the epidemiology, the chief value for which is not to confirm anything but to falsify it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Non-industrial, H-G and pastoral peoples just don&#039;t die from this stuff, and we need not look to the archeology, as we have plenty of documented observations going back to the 1800s, much of which was written about by Taubes in GCBC.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, we know what they eat. I&#039;m aware of Cordain&#039;s bringing up the 800-yr-old Eskimo with atherosclerosis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=741.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=741.0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t find an 800-yr-old p=1 very compelling. Moreover, how does the level of plaque compare to a modern person on a low-fat high-carb regime, and even more important: it&#039;s about total mortality, not a symptom that may or may not amount to anything.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the end, the only real thing to look at is total mortality.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;There are 9 major risK factors for CAD: high cholesterol, high blood pressure,smoking, diabetes,physical inactivity, and obesity. So even with 1 risk factor (high cholesterol) their risk of CAD will be low.&quot;</p>
<p>You&#39;re listed six, not nine. In any case, if you were really paying attention to the blog, you would understand that I have never denied that certain associations exist.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s the big one, in my view:</p>
<p>Diabetes, cancer, obesity, stroke and heart disease is heavily associated with grain, processed vegetable and derivative processed food based diets.</p>
<p>Which, of course, leads to the epidemiology, the chief value for which is not to confirm anything but to falsify it.</p>
<p>Non-industrial, H-G and pastoral peoples just don&#39;t die from this stuff, and we need not look to the archeology, as we have plenty of documented observations going back to the 1800s, much of which was written about by Taubes in GCBC.</p>
<p>And, we know what they eat. I&#39;m aware of Cordain&#39;s bringing up the 800-yr-old Eskimo with atherosclerosis.</p>
<p><a href="http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=741.0" rel="nofollow">http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=741.0</a></p>
<p>I don&#39;t find an 800-yr-old p=1 very compelling. Moreover, how does the level of plaque compare to a modern person on a low-fat high-carb regime, and even more important: it&#39;s about total mortality, not a symptom that may or may not amount to anything.</p>
<p>In the end, the only real thing to look at is total mortality.</p>
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		<title>By: www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkE-3zRo5ARBx2eqZmJAj1kjHj_Tp8COSk</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-2088</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Philip or Dirk or whoever.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
There are 9 major risK factors for CAD:  high cholesterol, high blood pressure,smoking, diabetes,physical inactivity, and obesity. So even with  1 risk factor (high cholesterol) their risk of CAD will be low.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is also epidemiological evidence, Richard, which is not the best evidence to go by. The gold standard for medical research is the randomized double blinded placebo controlled study.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Philip or Dirk or whoever.</p>
<p>
There are 9 major risK factors for CAD:  high cholesterol, high blood pressure,smoking, diabetes,physical inactivity, and obesity. So even with  1 risk factor (high cholesterol) their risk of CAD will be low.</p>
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<p>This is also epidemiological evidence, Richard, which is not the best evidence to go by. The gold standard for medical research is the randomized double blinded placebo controlled study.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-2087</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Finally:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;And a high saturated fat diet will clog your arteries&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unlikely, with an HDL of 106 and Trigs of 47.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/alrlro&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/alrlro&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll get an MNR measurement on LDL pretty soon, as calculated is rubbish:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ck3z58&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/ck3z58&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/djf62d&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/djf62d&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I expect I&#039;ll have 95%+ large &amp; fluffy, just like most high-fat eaters, and not the 80%+ small &amp; dense like most grain, sugar and frankenoil eaters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I recently had a CT heart scan. I had small minor calcification in one artery (all others clear). Since it&#039;s the first and only, no way of telling whether I&#039;m on the way up or the way down, but given my greatly lowered average BP and my bloodwork, the doc is pretty certain I&#039;m on the way down. Another test in six months will yield the proof.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, get serious, present your arguments respectfully, or just go bother someone else, troll.&lt;/p&gt;

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Finally:</p>
<p>&quot;And a high saturated fat diet will clog your arteries&quot;</p>
<p>Unlikely, with an HDL of 106 and Trigs of 47.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/alrlro" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/alrlro</a></p>
<p>I&#39;ll get an MNR measurement on LDL pretty soon, as calculated is rubbish:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ck3z58" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ck3z58</a></p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/djf62d" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/djf62d</a></p>
<p>I expect I&#39;ll have 95%+ large &amp; fluffy, just like most high-fat eaters, and not the 80%+ small &amp; dense like most grain, sugar and frankenoil eaters.</p>
<p>I recently had a CT heart scan. I had small minor calcification in one artery (all others clear). Since it&#39;s the first and only, no way of telling whether I&#39;m on the way up or the way down, but given my greatly lowered average BP and my bloodwork, the doc is pretty certain I&#39;m on the way down. Another test in six months will yield the proof.</p>
<p>Now, get serious, present your arguments respectfully, or just go bother someone else, troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-2086</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Your saturated fat rich diet is the reason you are fat !&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Quite untrue, on several points:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. I&#039;m no longer fat (see photos). At 15% BF, quite above average leanness for America just now. I&#039;ll be at &lt;10% BF within a few months at most.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. This  loss (from 230 to 185, so far) has been achieved by means of:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;	a. a high-fat diet (animal, coconut, olive oil)&lt;br /&gt;
b. intermittent fasting&lt;br /&gt;
c. high intensity training, twice per week, 30 min each, and usually in a fasted state from 18-30 hours&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re welcome to _respectfully_ disagree (your other two comments with rude insults have been deleted, unanswered, as will all others of a similar nature), but you might want to cure your ignorance, first. Here&#039;s a few places to start, in case you&#039;re actually interested in learning something over being a troll. And BTW; I know who you are, Philip Downey.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/abtdel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/abtdel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(The Tokelauans on their natural diet obtained 50% of energy from saturated fat and their weren&#039;t getting heart disease)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/adv4s6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/adv4s6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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&quot;Your saturated fat rich diet is the reason you are fat !&quot;</p>
<p>Quite untrue, on several points:</p>
<p>1. I&#39;m no longer fat (see photos). At 15% BF, quite above average leanness for America just now. I&#39;ll be at &lt;10% BF within a few months at most.</p>
<p>2. This  loss (from 230 to 185, so far) has been achieved by means of:</p>
<p>	a. a high-fat diet (animal, coconut, olive oil)<br />
b. intermittent fasting<br />
c. high intensity training, twice per week, 30 min each, and usually in a fasted state from 18-30 hours</p>
<p>You&#39;re welcome to _respectfully_ disagree (your other two comments with rude insults have been deleted, unanswered, as will all others of a similar nature), but you might want to cure your ignorance, first. Here&#39;s a few places to start, in case you&#39;re actually interested in learning something over being a troll. And BTW; I know who you are, Philip Downey.</p>
<p><a href="http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/abtdel" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/abtdel</a></p>
<p>(The Tokelauans on their natural diet obtained 50% of energy from saturated fat and their weren&#39;t getting heart disease)</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/adv4s6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/adv4s6</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/02/enlightened-heart-surgeons-and-cardiologists.html#comment-2085</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;You think 98% of the world&#039;s cardiologista are wrong?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I KNOW they are. And by the way, the number who are wrong is getting less and less every day, as they cure their woeful ignorance in comparison to myself and others. We are right. They are wrong. It&#039;s quite simple. We&#039;re paying attention to facts, the science, verifiable anecdotes, our own results and most importantly: how we actually FEEL.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;You think 98% of the world&#39;s cardiologista are wrong?&quot;</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>I KNOW they are. And by the way, the number who are wrong is getting less and less every day, as they cure their woeful ignorance in comparison to myself and others. We are right. They are wrong. It&#39;s quite simple. We&#39;re paying attention to facts, the science, verifiable anecdotes, our own results and most importantly: how we actually FEEL.</p>
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		<title>By: www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawnksOfEj6sG-V3F64lFrI-RMtZwwYUwpKw</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And a high saturated fat diet will clog your arteries........  You think 98% of the world&#039;s cardiologista are wrong?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Your saturated fat rich diet is the reason you are fat !&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a high saturated fat diet will clog your arteries&#8230;&#8230;..  You think 98% of the world&#39;s cardiologista are wrong?</p>
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Your saturated fat rich diet is the reason you are fat !</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Near as I can tell -- by listening to the interview -- it&#039;s permanent, but the Atkins-style at the beginning is to wean off high carbs, then transitioning gradually to a more veg-heavy lifestyle with moderate lean protein. For me, the importance is the evolutionary basis, i.e., real foods, and eliminating sugar, grains, legumes, dairy and such. I really have not much complaint about whatever diet makeup one chooses to operate in within that evolutionary spectrum.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I am thoroughly convinced that a very high saturated fat diet is absolutely the way to go...PERMANENTLY!&lt;/p&gt;

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Near as I can tell &#8212; by listening to the interview &#8212; it&#39;s permanent, but the Atkins-style at the beginning is to wean off high carbs, then transitioning gradually to a more veg-heavy lifestyle with moderate lean protein. For me, the importance is the evolutionary basis, i.e., real foods, and eliminating sugar, grains, legumes, dairy and such. I really have not much complaint about whatever diet makeup one chooses to operate in within that evolutionary spectrum.</p>
<p>That said, I am thoroughly convinced that a very high saturated fat diet is absolutely the way to go&#8230;PERMANENTLY!</p>
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