Comments on: Saturated Fat and Heart Disease Deaths http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html Expressing Our Primal Genes for Lean Health, Vitality and Attractiveness Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:40:14 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1559 Richard Nikoley Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:13:33 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1559 <p><br /> I don't know anything about it. I eat plenty of nuts and have been losing fat. But, sometimes I also like to go periods without nuts.</p> I don't know anything about it. I eat plenty of nuts and have been losing fat. But, sometimes I also like to go periods without nuts.

]]> By: minneapolis J http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1558 minneapolis J Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:54:27 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1558 <p>Richard, what do you know about Enig and Fallon's idea that monosaturated fat is what is stored as excess fat...Apparently Enig and Fallon encourage animal, saturated fats bc nuts and seeds monosaturated fats can contribute to excess body fat.</p> <p>Its a point well noting and I may try to cut back on the monosaturates and go full board with saturates if this is the case.</p> Richard, what do you know about Enig and Fallon's idea that monosaturated fat is what is stored as excess fat…Apparently Enig and Fallon encourage animal, saturated fats bc nuts and seeds monosaturated fats can contribute to excess body fat.

Its a point well noting and I may try to cut back on the monosaturates and go full board with saturates if this is the case.

]]> By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1557 Richard Nikoley Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:25:53 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1557 <p><br /> Yep. I've never concerned myself with it personally and really have no idea whether it makes a difference one way or the other. The way to ensure optimal health is just to eat real food in combinations and proportions that generally simulate a natural diet.</p> Yep. I've never concerned myself with it personally and really have no idea whether it makes a difference one way or the other. The way to ensure optimal health is just to eat real food in combinations and proportions that generally simulate a natural diet.

]]> By: AndrewS http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1556 AndrewS Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:28:28 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1556 <p>I've seen some comments that GI is irrelevant. Stephan, at Whole Health Source, has a couple recent posts on it. I'm trying to overcome insulin resistance (and dozens of other things, of course) so I'm going low carb. To that end, I think low GI food is worse than high GI since any sugar I do consume will stick around between meals.</p> <p>Which is why fasting is so handy!</p> <p>As for sugars and fat together, Bruce (I think it's Bruce)(who comments frequently on Peter's blog) argues that it's a bad combo, and that we should eat one or the other, and not the two together. I'm not convinced, but I don't consider those notions disproven, either.</p> I've seen some comments that GI is irrelevant. Stephan, at Whole Health Source, has a couple recent posts on it. I'm trying to overcome insulin resistance (and dozens of other things, of course) so I'm going low carb. To that end, I think low GI food is worse than high GI since any sugar I do consume will stick around between meals.

Which is why fasting is so handy!

As for sugars and fat together, Bruce (I think it's Bruce)(who comments frequently on Peter's blog) argues that it's a bad combo, and that we should eat one or the other, and not the two together. I'm not convinced, but I don't consider those notions disproven, either.

]]> By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1555 Richard Nikoley Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:55:38 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1555 <p><br /> I don't really have an opinion on it. I don't watch any of those shows.</p> I don't really have an opinion on it. I don't watch any of those shows.

]]> By: ben http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1554 ben Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:40:33 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1554 <p>Great article. Definitely a lot of useful information. I myself am overweight and I hate how some of the tv shows are exploiting overweight people. For example, the biggest loser. They had them pulling cars! How do you feel about this type of tv? Look at the article below and you will see what I mean. Thanks again!</p> <p><a href="http://www.bloggingcentral.com/865052-Biggest-Loser-TV-Show-Challenges-Fattys-To-Pull-Cars-Biggest-Loser--865052.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggingcentral.com/865052-Biggest-Loser-TV-Show-Challenges-Fattys-To-Pull-Cars-Biggest-Loser--865052.php</a></p> Great article. Definitely a lot of useful information. I myself am overweight and I hate how some of the tv shows are exploiting overweight people. For example, the biggest loser. They had them pulling cars! How do you feel about this type of tv? Look at the article below and you will see what I mean. Thanks again!

http://www.bloggingcentral.com/865052-Biggest-Loser-TV-Show-Challenges-Fattys-To-Pull-Cars-Biggest-Loser–865052.php

]]> By: Ricardo http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1553 Ricardo Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:11:12 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1553 <p>Dear Robert M. and Richard N., you can download the 1998 European saturated fat data from <a href="http://www.heartstats.org/documents/download.asp?nodeid=6742&libraryversionid=2706" rel="nofollow">http://www.heartstats.org/documents/download.asp?nodeid=6742&libraryversionid=2706</a> Regarding the European CHD death rates, please search www.heartstats.org for "death rates from CHD" and you'll find a several Excel tabular data for your own research. According to my own recent research, I believe we already have enough data to "build" an updated saturated fat (actually, full fatty acids data) information and here is my suggestion for someone brave enough to try it (I may also try this if I have enough spare time in the next weeks): based on the detailed nutritional data we already have, for 2003 (latest year), from the FAO-STAT Consumption Database (see <a href="http://faostat.fao.org/site/609/DesktopDefault.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://faostat.fao.org/site/609/DesktopDefault.aspx</a> and <a href="http://faostat.fao.org/site/610/default.aspx)," rel="nofollow">http://faostat.fao.org/site/610/default.aspx),</a> and crossing it with McCance and Widdowson’s Composition of Foods integrated dataset (see <a href="http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/dietsurveys/)," rel="nofollow">http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/dietsurveys/),</a> which has detailed fatty acids data for hundreds of food groups, a truly updated and detailed fatty acids world (167 countries) consumption database can be built. These parameters could then be compared/correlated with the health & disease parameters provided by the WHO Global Health Atlas and WHO Statistical Information System (see <a href="http://www.who.int/globalatlas/dataQuery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/globalatlas/dataQuery/</a> and <a href="http://www.who.int/whosis/)," rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/whosis/),</a> the same way I did for the nutritional parameters. After this, we could then compare, for example, lauric acid intake with CHD mortality (saturated fat in coconut oil clogs your arteries?), stearic acid intake with cancer death rates (red meat consumption causes cancer?), specific fatty acids effect on mean cholesterol levels, etc. I would say, in theory, that this might work and be a relatively simple task but, as wee know, going from theory into practice sometimes may require significant effort and time. Anyone volunteers for this task?</p> Dear Robert M. and Richard N., you can download the 1998 European saturated fat data from http://www.heartstats.org/documents/download.asp?nodeid=6742&libraryversionid=2706 Regarding the European CHD death rates, please search http://www.heartstats.org for "death rates from CHD" and you'll find a several Excel tabular data for your own research. According to my own recent research, I believe we already have enough data to "build" an updated saturated fat (actually, full fatty acids data) information and here is my suggestion for someone brave enough to try it (I may also try this if I have enough spare time in the next weeks): based on the detailed nutritional data we already have, for 2003 (latest year), from the FAO-STAT Consumption Database (see http://faostat.fao.org/site/609/DesktopDefault.aspx and http://faostat.fao.org/site/610/default.aspx), and crossing it with McCance and Widdowson’s Composition of Foods integrated dataset (see http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/dietsurveys/), which has detailed fatty acids data for hundreds of food groups, a truly updated and detailed fatty acids world (167 countries) consumption database can be built. These parameters could then be compared/correlated with the health & disease parameters provided by the WHO Global Health Atlas and WHO Statistical Information System (see http://www.who.int/globalatlas/dataQuery/ and http://www.who.int/whosis/), the same way I did for the nutritional parameters. After this, we could then compare, for example, lauric acid intake with CHD mortality (saturated fat in coconut oil clogs your arteries?), stearic acid intake with cancer death rates (red meat consumption causes cancer?), specific fatty acids effect on mean cholesterol levels, etc. I would say, in theory, that this might work and be a relatively simple task but, as wee know, going from theory into practice sometimes may require significant effort and time. Anyone volunteers for this task?

]]> By: Richard Nikoley http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1552 Richard Nikoley Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:36:40 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1552 <p><br /> I figured the one wasn't like the others. But, what the hell. All innards. :)</p> I figured the one wasn't like the others. But, what the hell. All innards. :)

]]> By: Aaron http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1551 Aaron Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:09:42 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1551 <p>I've heard the same joke except it was three statisticians going duck hunting. The first aims one meeter too high, the next aims one meeter too low, and the third one yells "We got 'em!"</p> I've heard the same joke except it was three statisticians going duck hunting. The first aims one meeter too high, the next aims one meeter too low, and the third one yells "We got 'em!"

]]> By: Ricardo Carvalho http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1550 Ricardo Carvalho Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:24:46 +0000 http://localhost/animal/2009/03/saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-deaths.html#comment-1550 <p>Dear Robert M. and Richard N., you can download the 1998 European saturated fat data from <a href="http://www.heartstats.org/documents/download.asp?nodeid=6742&libraryversionid=2706" rel="nofollow">http://www.heartstats.org/documents/download.asp?nodeid=6742&libraryversionid=2706</a> Regarding the European CHD death rates, please search www.heartstats.org for "death rates from CHD" and you'll find a several Excel tabular data for your own research. According to my own recent research, I believe we already have enough data to "build" an updated saturated fat (actually, full fatty acids data) information and here is my suggestion for someone brave enough to try it (I may also try this if I have enough spare time in the next weeks): based on the detailed nutritional data we already have, for 2003 (latest year), from the FAO-STAT Consumption Database (see <a href="http://faostat.fao.org/site/609/DesktopDefault.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://faostat.fao.org/site/609/DesktopDefault.aspx</a> and <a href="http://faostat.fao.org/site/610/default.aspx)," rel="nofollow">http://faostat.fao.org/site/610/default.aspx),</a> and crossing it with McCance and Widdowson’s Composition of Foods integrated dataset (see <a href="http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/dietsurveys/)," rel="nofollow">http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/dietsurveys/),</a> which has detailed fatty acids data for hundreds of food groups, a truly updated and detailed fatty acids world (167 countries) consumption database can be built. These parameters could then be compared/correlated with the health & disease parameters provided by the WHO Global Health Atlas and WHO Statistical Information System (see <a href="http://www.who.int/globalatlas/dataQuery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/globalatlas/dataQuery/</a> and <a href="http://www.who.int/whosis/)," rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/whosis/),</a> the same way I did for the nutritional parameters. After this, we could then compare, for example, lauric acid intake with CHD mortality (saturated fat in coconut oil clogs your arteries?), stearic acid intake with cancer death rates (red meat consumption causes cancer?), specific fatty acids effect on mean cholesterol levels, etc. I would say, in theory, that this might work and be a relatively simple task but, as wee know, going from theory into practice sometimes may require significant effort and time. Anyone volunteers for this task?</p> Dear Robert M. and Richard N., you can download the 1998 European saturated fat data from http://www.heartstats.org/documents/download.asp?nodeid=6742&libraryversionid=2706 Regarding the European CHD death rates, please search http://www.heartstats.org for "death rates from CHD" and you'll find a several Excel tabular data for your own research. According to my own recent research, I believe we already have enough data to "build" an updated saturated fat (actually, full fatty acids data) information and here is my suggestion for someone brave enough to try it (I may also try this if I have enough spare time in the next weeks): based on the detailed nutritional data we already have, for 2003 (latest year), from the FAO-STAT Consumption Database (see http://faostat.fao.org/site/609/DesktopDefault.aspx and http://faostat.fao.org/site/610/default.aspx), and crossing it with McCance and Widdowson’s Composition of Foods integrated dataset (see http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/dietsurveys/), which has detailed fatty acids data for hundreds of food groups, a truly updated and detailed fatty acids world (167 countries) consumption database can be built. These parameters could then be compared/correlated with the health & disease parameters provided by the WHO Global Health Atlas and WHO Statistical Information System (see http://www.who.int/globalatlas/dataQuery/ and http://www.who.int/whosis/), the same way I did for the nutritional parameters. After this, we could then compare, for example, lauric acid intake with CHD mortality (saturated fat in coconut oil clogs your arteries?), stearic acid intake with cancer death rates (red meat consumption causes cancer?), specific fatty acids effect on mean cholesterol levels, etc. I would say, in theory, that this might work and be a relatively simple task but, as wee know, going from theory into practice sometimes may require significant effort and time. Anyone volunteers for this task?

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