Comments on: Carbs Kill and Eating Animals Saves Lives

By: Richard Nikoley

Richard Nikoley — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:06:46 +0000

That issue was fleshed out in the comments, as I recall. You might check them out.

By: William

William — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:46:45 +0000

As a confirmed meat-lover and somebody curious about the approach you’re promoting, I was excited to see the title of this post. However, I don’t think the data matches the claims at all.

The correlation here you’re seeing is wealth. As you can see from the 4th graph, the countries in the upper left are all poor. Poor people eat less meat, and also die sooner. That’s not because of the meat; it’s the poverty, which is demonstrably bad for your health.

Both the title and the implications drawn from the graphs are bogus. That this post doesn’t have a big “I got this totally wrong” disclaimer at the top makes me suspicious that the rest of the material on this blog is similarly sloppy and unreliable. Unfortunate!

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By: Aaron Blaisdell

Aaron Blaisdell — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:17:19 +0000

The National Institutes of Health are trying to move in this direction, though met with a lot of resistance on the part of the PIs. My own view is mixed. On the one hand, I do believe the data collected from public taxpayer money should be public domain, on the other, I don’t want to be scooped on publications arising from my data until I’ve had sufficient time to recoop my return for my labor. Kind of like copyrights should protect the creator of an artistic work, but not indefinitely.

By: MetaEd

MetaEd — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:56:15 +0000

With regard to global warming, I am led to believe that the difference between buffalo and today’s beef cattle is that the cattle eat a whole lot of petroleum. Their primary diet is corn, and the primary diet of corn in turn is petroleum derived fertilizer. If UTA is trying to cut down carbon release, maybe what they ought to try is a “grass fed Monday”.

By: O Primitivo

O Primitivo — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:33:28 +0000

Hi Tom Moertel. Here are two Excel databases for download:

http://www.canibaisereis.com/2009/03/21/nutrition-and-health-database/
http://www.canibaisereis.com/2009/09/19/low-cholesterol-certainly-not-healthy/

All data sources I know of are linked in my page (see link’s section “Dados estatísticos”):

I’m totallly open source on what concerns data. It would be great if, someday, all health studies would include attached data sources. Like you say, to encourage further analysis.

Regards, Ricardo.

By: Tom Moertel

Tom Moertel — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:13:31 +0000

For all those folks out there posting graphs, please also post your data sets online to encourage further analysis. (Tip: use a Google Docs spreadsheet for free hosting and easy sharability).

Cheers,
Tom

By: Richard Nikoley

Richard Nikoley — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:33:16 +0000

Don:

Right you are. I think the most important things from these various looks are:

1. Consistency.
2. The correlation never goes the other way.

In the series I’m doing on Dr. Jackson’s claims, this difference between deaths and incidence will play a major role.

By: Dave, RN

Dave, RN — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:04:42 +0000

That’s great! Especially in light of the fact that my sons college (University of Texas at Arlington) just started “meatless Mondays”! He was tweaked about it and so was I. There reasoning is that they are trying to save the planet from global warming. Never mind the fact that the countless millions of buffalo that used to roam the plains didn’t seem to warm the planet. Of course we all know that the global warming thing is just another “in” that radical vegetarians use to promote their cause. What’s equally sad is that pay good money for that food program, and a small minority has convinced university leadership to do this. Poor misguided saps. And what’s worse is that you can use all the logic and studies, such as the information that you presented here, that shows the health benefits of animal fat, but vegetarians don’t listen to logic.

By: O Primitivo

O Primitivo — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:41:35 +0000

Hi Richard. Here are a few graphs relating the “animal to vegetal energy ratio” with several epidemilogical variables. The x-axis data is from FAO-STAT Consumption: “Animal Products + (kcal/day), 2003″ and “Vegetal Products + (kcal/day), 2003″ and the y-axis data is from the BHF-British Heart Foundation and the WHO-World Health Organisation. -> http://www.canibaisereis.com/download/animal-vegetal-ratio.pdf