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	<title>Comments on: Does &#8220;Cardio&#8221; Cause Heart Disease? Dr: Harris: &#8220;Yes&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Fred Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been saying this for years now. Dr. Eades and I discuss the danger of running in our book The Slow Burn Fitness Revolution. I also feel that a lowered RHR caused by chronic aerobic exercise is a sign of an unhealthy heart, not a healthy one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying this for years now. Dr. Eades and I discuss the danger of running in our book The Slow Burn Fitness Revolution. I also feel that a lowered RHR caused by chronic aerobic exercise is a sign of an unhealthy heart, not a healthy one.</p>
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		<title>By: David I</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/11/does-cardio-cause-heart-disease-dr-harris-yes.html#comment-12239</link>
		<dc:creator>David I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Phedippides died after running from Marathon to Athens. But just before that he had run from Athens to Sparta and back to try and get the Spartans to come to the aid of Athens. That&#039;s something in excess of 300 miles round trip. So I don&#039;t think it was simply a matter of running a marathon that did him in. Running two back-to-back Spartathalons just before running a marathon might have had something to do with it.

What I see all around me is that people tend to selectively look at studies that say the healthiest thing for them is to opt out of whatever kind of exercise they like least. (For the record, I train with weights, do Bikram Yoga, run distances, and do intervals. And I wouldn&#039;t quit doing any of them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Phedippides died after running from Marathon to Athens. But just before that he had run from Athens to Sparta and back to try and get the Spartans to come to the aid of Athens. That&#8217;s something in excess of 300 miles round trip. So I don&#8217;t think it was simply a matter of running a marathon that did him in. Running two back-to-back Spartathalons just before running a marathon might have had something to do with it.</p>
<p>What I see all around me is that people tend to selectively look at studies that say the healthiest thing for them is to opt out of whatever kind of exercise they like least. (For the record, I train with weights, do Bikram Yoga, run distances, and do intervals. And I wouldn&#8217;t quit doing any of them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jocko</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/11/does-cardio-cause-heart-disease-dr-harris-yes.html#comment-12150</link>
		<dc:creator>Jocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all need not forget that Pheidippides (The very first marathon runner) collapsed and died after delivering his message to Athens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all need not forget that Pheidippides (The very first marathon runner) collapsed and died after delivering his message to Athens.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo Yugen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mojo Yugen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The persistence hunting argument rings true for me.  I do believe we evolved to be a long-distance running animal.  I&#039;m also someone who enjoyed running (long and short distances) growing up and was able to do it (mostly) injury free.  I had to stop the past 8 years or so mainly due to weight but now (thanks in large part to paleo principals) I&#039;m back down to a &quot;running weight&quot;.  I also started running in VFF&#039;s (Vibram FiveFingers) and occasionally barefoot.  That made an amazing difference in how I run and now I believe that the major problem with running is our shoes.  For me that also reconciles nicely with paleo-principals, I&#039;m pretty sure we didn&#039;t evolve to run in Nikes.
As far as only a few tribes doing persistence hunting, well of course, persistence hunting was mainly done before we had tools, once you have a spear with a nice stone tip you don&#039;t have to run the animal to death, just sneak close enough to chuck a spear.  To me that&#039;s kinda like saying the slide rules weren&#039;t very useful because no one uses them anymore.
I&#039;d recommend the book &quot;Born to Run&quot; by Christopher McDougall for anyone who cares about this topic, it&#039;s the book that really changed my mind about running and let me start enjoying running again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The persistence hunting argument rings true for me.  I do believe we evolved to be a long-distance running animal.  I&#8217;m also someone who enjoyed running (long and short distances) growing up and was able to do it (mostly) injury free.  I had to stop the past 8 years or so mainly due to weight but now (thanks in large part to paleo principals) I&#8217;m back down to a &#8220;running weight&#8221;.  I also started running in VFF&#8217;s (Vibram FiveFingers) and occasionally barefoot.  That made an amazing difference in how I run and now I believe that the major problem with running is our shoes.  For me that also reconciles nicely with paleo-principals, I&#8217;m pretty sure we didn&#8217;t evolve to run in Nikes.<br />
As far as only a few tribes doing persistence hunting, well of course, persistence hunting was mainly done before we had tools, once you have a spear with a nice stone tip you don&#8217;t have to run the animal to death, just sneak close enough to chuck a spear.  To me that&#8217;s kinda like saying the slide rules weren&#8217;t very useful because no one uses them anymore.<br />
I&#8217;d recommend the book &#8220;Born to Run&#8221; by Christopher McDougall for anyone who cares about this topic, it&#8217;s the book that really changed my mind about running and let me start enjoying running again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo Yugen</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/11/does-cardio-cause-heart-disease-dr-harris-yes.html#comment-12144</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojo Yugen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are running wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are running wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Aerobics &#38; Cardio Man</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/11/does-cardio-cause-heart-disease-dr-harris-yes.html#comment-10373</link>
		<dc:creator>Aerobics &#38; Cardio Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. That is very true indeed!
The &lt;a href=&quot;http://aerocardio.com/2009/11/exercising-is-important-for-weight-loss/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exercising IS important for weight loss&lt;/a&gt;.

By the way, congratulations for your success!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. That is very true indeed!<br />
The <a href="http://aerocardio.com/2009/11/exercising-is-important-for-weight-loss/" rel="nofollow">exercising IS important for weight loss</a>.</p>
<p>By the way, congratulations for your success!</p>
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		<title>By: mattwel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattwel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.

Cool site, by the way.  I have a lot of pictures of me going the other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.</p>
<p>Cool site, by the way.  I have a lot of pictures of me going the other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nikoley</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/11/does-cardio-cause-heart-disease-dr-harris-yes.html#comment-10334</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nikoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Matt, you got your say. Can we let it go now (at least here)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Matt, you got your say. Can we let it go now (at least here)?</p>
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		<title>By: mattwel</title>
		<link>http://freetheanimal.com/2009/11/does-cardio-cause-heart-disease-dr-harris-yes.html#comment-10333</link>
		<dc:creator>mattwel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read Mr. Harris&#039; blog post on instituting comment moderation because of me.  The comment that was deleted is listed above, but originally of course did not include the paragraph calling him a doctor (horrors,) as the context makes clear.

It&#039;s hard to see how it meets any of his criteria for deletion, and yet it was and me banned.  

Here is one I left on his post about moderation:

Well, this doesn&#039;t actually quite explain your deletion of my original post.  

After you had called me a sheep and implied I was a rube in a number of contexts, I simply suggested you were reacting with unnecessary anger.  It wasn&#039;t until you deleted that post that I brought out the doctor business.  

In any case, think about what you are saying:  You get to be as gratuitously rude as you like to commenters, but they must be only respectful back to you -- and that is when you allow their responses to stand at all.  My first post met none of your criteria yet you deleted it anyway, presumably because you were irritated by my points.

It is absolutely your site.  You absolutely get to run it any way you like.  The manner in which you do so will however affect your larger online reputation, and your particular approach strikes me as likely to get you known as a thin-skinned, easily-threatened bully.

I will be curious to see if this gets posted.  Either way, I know you have seen it, and that is something.  Also:  The post of mine you deleted here is alive and well on other sites, such is the nature of these internets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read Mr. Harris&#8217; blog post on instituting comment moderation because of me.  The comment that was deleted is listed above, but originally of course did not include the paragraph calling him a doctor (horrors,) as the context makes clear.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to see how it meets any of his criteria for deletion, and yet it was and me banned.  </p>
<p>Here is one I left on his post about moderation:</p>
<p>Well, this doesn&#8217;t actually quite explain your deletion of my original post.  </p>
<p>After you had called me a sheep and implied I was a rube in a number of contexts, I simply suggested you were reacting with unnecessary anger.  It wasn&#8217;t until you deleted that post that I brought out the doctor business.  </p>
<p>In any case, think about what you are saying:  You get to be as gratuitously rude as you like to commenters, but they must be only respectful back to you &#8212; and that is when you allow their responses to stand at all.  My first post met none of your criteria yet you deleted it anyway, presumably because you were irritated by my points.</p>
<p>It is absolutely your site.  You absolutely get to run it any way you like.  The manner in which you do so will however affect your larger online reputation, and your particular approach strikes me as likely to get you known as a thin-skinned, easily-threatened bully.</p>
<p>I will be curious to see if this gets posted.  Either way, I know you have seen it, and that is something.  Also:  The post of mine you deleted here is alive and well on other sites, such is the nature of these internets.</p>
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		<title>By: mattwel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattwel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting article.  I left a comment on Mr. Harris&#039; website, the gist of which was that hopefully people will wait for corroborating or disproving other data before changing their health regimen.

He responded fairly tartly that I was a sheep, should work for the government, etc.  It&#039;s on his site, you can look at it if you like.

I then tried to clarify my position a bit but he deleted my response.  Then he banned me from his site.  And turned on comment moderation to prevent, presumably, such alternate views as mine from ever being expressed in his sandbox.  

I am a bit flabbergasted by it all -- shouldn&#039;t the self-described iconoclastic and alternative be if anything unusually open to contrary viewpoints?  It makes me wonder if such brittleness extends to his interpretations of data, with any that does not bolster his pet theories deleted and then banned from his mind.  

Anyway, my response was (with apologies for absent context:)

Good lord, surely Mr. Gautama also has something reproachful to say about such angry outbursts.  In any case my message was less to you than to those who had just read your post.
Put too simply:  In matters where we know little, fear of &quot;being a sheep&quot; can put one in greater danger than submitting to the consensus of experts.  I did not mean to place the study you brought to our attention in such low company as known crazies like vaccine alarmists -- they simply do an excellent job of illustrating my point.  

This is good data.  Perhaps more will come to bolster it.  Just as likely the opposite will happen, or these results will be attributed to a cause that will surprise us all and vindicate aerobic exercise in the process.  So, given a choice between trusting my life to a single study from one set of doctors or the combined wisdom of the entire medical field, for me it&#039;s not even close.  By all means hurl more invective at me as a result.

The above is a reconstruction from memory of the post you mysteriously deleted.  Is no debate allowed here?  Are all meant to kneel before you and lap up your wisdom uncritically?  How very like a traditional doctor you turn out to be after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting article.  I left a comment on Mr. Harris&#8217; website, the gist of which was that hopefully people will wait for corroborating or disproving other data before changing their health regimen.</p>
<p>He responded fairly tartly that I was a sheep, should work for the government, etc.  It&#8217;s on his site, you can look at it if you like.</p>
<p>I then tried to clarify my position a bit but he deleted my response.  Then he banned me from his site.  And turned on comment moderation to prevent, presumably, such alternate views as mine from ever being expressed in his sandbox.  </p>
<p>I am a bit flabbergasted by it all &#8212; shouldn&#8217;t the self-described iconoclastic and alternative be if anything unusually open to contrary viewpoints?  It makes me wonder if such brittleness extends to his interpretations of data, with any that does not bolster his pet theories deleted and then banned from his mind.  </p>
<p>Anyway, my response was (with apologies for absent context:)</p>
<p>Good lord, surely Mr. Gautama also has something reproachful to say about such angry outbursts.  In any case my message was less to you than to those who had just read your post.<br />
Put too simply:  In matters where we know little, fear of &#8220;being a sheep&#8221; can put one in greater danger than submitting to the consensus of experts.  I did not mean to place the study you brought to our attention in such low company as known crazies like vaccine alarmists &#8212; they simply do an excellent job of illustrating my point.  </p>
<p>This is good data.  Perhaps more will come to bolster it.  Just as likely the opposite will happen, or these results will be attributed to a cause that will surprise us all and vindicate aerobic exercise in the process.  So, given a choice between trusting my life to a single study from one set of doctors or the combined wisdom of the entire medical field, for me it&#8217;s not even close.  By all means hurl more invective at me as a result.</p>
<p>The above is a reconstruction from memory of the post you mysteriously deleted.  Is no debate allowed here?  Are all meant to kneel before you and lap up your wisdom uncritically?  How very like a traditional doctor you turn out to be after all.</p>
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