Vbloging: The Fat Ass Surgeon General; Regina Benjamin (and Dr. Oz is a Pussy)

Alright, so my video is introductory. Here is the post and silly fucking comments I reference.

The US Surgeon General is Fat from Richard Nikoley on Vimeo.

And here's the fat assed "America's Top Doctor" speaking on issues for which she has absolutely no visible qualification.

Let the ruination begin, in comments. Let it all out. RANT, if you like.

Update: Clever commenters. Animated .gif time.

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Comments

  1. So was Joycelyn Elders! How come many of our surgeons general were well adapted to the standard American diet? Although, by appearances, Carmona wasn’t… but he still always bitched about how he was politically hamstrung by the Bush administration. It doesn’t matter which party appoints the surgeon general. Richard, if you ever become president, do us a favor and at least make the surgeon general get rid of the silly-assed pretentious uniform!

  2. Stratispho says:

    Wait? Did she just say that “people of America can be healthy and fit no matter their size or weight”??? How does that even make sense?

    • Passive Observer says:

      This was my comment on youtube;

      “”Healthy and fit at any size or any weight….” Really America? Really??”

      But its ‘pending approval’…what do you want to wager it never gets approved? This video infuriates me beyond belief. I almost can’t believe anyone takes it seriously and then I remember the state this country is in.

      • Passive Observer says:

        Just wanted to add that I’m all for people who are healthy that don’t meet the commonly accepted ‘BMI’
        There are people who could be considered morbidly obese by the BMI standard that are more fit than the rest of us. But they are the extreme exception and being “healthy and fit at any size or weight is ludicrist”…:P jk jk but it is completely and uderly (wait i have no cow jokes) ludicrous. Quid pro quo…you are a fat unhealthy cow, surgeon general wobblecheeks.

      • Thats because the BMI is a stupid measure that had one limited application when it was devised and is now used indiscriminately by people with no common sense.

      • Passive Observer says:

        So you fall outside the BMI for your height? Then it may be safe to say you are fat…Sorry, I agree that it is a “stupid measure” but most of the people that it singled out are indeed FAT. Whether it is used indiscriminately or not, you are still more than likely overweight. Sorry about that. Eat more paleo foods and exercise and it will most likely be remedied.

  3. You can technically be overweight and healthy (as long as metabolic scans show how healthy you are). But, you can’t be healthy and fit at any size. By definition, an obese is someone suffering from an illness (and can have many of them…. insulin resistance is a good example here).

    You could be a little overweight and fit and healthy. That’s all i’m going to give.

  4. As a sidenote, her speach is completely useless…. I mean she says it as if it’s anything new..

    Wait, I need to eat nutritious foods and exercises once in a while to be healthy?

    Really

    Damn.

    I think the conversation should be directed toward those who are making us fat. Target those fake food producer instead of targeting the individual.

  5. Thanks for the trite pap Ms Benjamin! Just keep on smiling and mumbling the same old pablum and I’m sure the culture of fat will just change on its own.

    Don’t stop the boat people.

  6. You can be ‘overweight’, i.e. huge and it all be muscle and still be healthy. Her size comment isn’t actually that incorrect. People will take it the wrong way though.

    • Adam Ball says:

      Actually, many of the people who are HUGE and all muscle don’t have overly long lifespans. I would question how “healthy” that is…. but that kind of takes the discussion into a philosophical direction.

  7. Aaron Curl says:

    How is it SAD eaters are so dumb? Must be lack of meat and fat in their diets. I really believe this. Their brains are weak and frail therefore they believe the bullshit that drips from her mouth like fried chicken grease. She said exactly what all healthcare and government agencies say: eat a healthy diet (grains, lowfat) and exercise and you will be healthy and thin. SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is what we have been doing! I forget where I seen the statistics…it’s something like if we keep going at this rate, by 2030, 85% of the population will be obese. Don’t quote me on this statistic but it doesn’t sound to far off, look how the obesity rate has gone up in the last 30 years. Fucking sickening. I hate cw and sad diet gurus!

    • LCforevah says:

      I’m sure she believes everything she says as she has no reason not to. Where would a conventional doctor get her info if not from conventional corporate sources. And if she knew anything like Eades, Taubes or Vernon, she would not have been appointed!

      I’ve had people tell me that Dr Oz has over a hundred producers and researchers that get him his info, so he and they can’t be wrong. I retort that if a hundred people are all going to the same corporate resources, they are still going to remain ignorant. Same problem with the surgeon general.

    • “by 2030, 85% of the population will be obese. Don’t quote me on this statistic”

      -I just wanted to quote that.

  8. Surgeon General? What kind of surgery are we talking about? Liposuction?

    She should be demoted to “Private Benjamin.”

    Dr. Oz? If there’s anyone who should be behind a curtain and not paid attention to 90 percent of the time it’s this guy.

  9. So when I was eating the “Healthy” low fat, high carb diet my gov suggests, running 60 miles a week as well as doing strength work 3 times a week I was flabby, sick, and tired all the time. So was I “Fit and Healthy at my size and weight?” I can tell you I was not. But when I cut out the processed junk and grains, exercised less but with more purpose and intensity, lost 25 pounds easily and ate more meat and fat than I had in years I can now say I am pretty darn fit and I haven’t felt this good since I was a teenager. They just keep toeing the company line, making people sick, and fat. Disturbing.

  10. I agree whole-heartedly rich! healthy and fit at any size is bullsh#t. Except for the like 1% of the population who might be power lifters or strongmen competitors who may indeed carry some big weight in the upper thighs, belly area, etc and still be asskickin strong and so conceivably healthy, all the rest of us should indeed equate fit and healthy with slender/slim/athletic/fully-able-to-f&kin-move! Its just so simple. I always tell people, just look at a photos of people from the early 1900s or even right up until around WWII. Everyone just looks good and slim. So basic, so simple. Not hulking, not supermen, just fit and slim and i bet they could bust out there pullups when they had to. Lets not overthink it. If you carry a bunch of wiggly fat on your body, you are not as fit and healthy as you should be. Jesus, that we’ve come to arguing this is laughable.

    • You can spot the big strong types from the big and just fat types very easily anyway.

  11. I sure wish you’d quit insulting things I value highly by comparing them to Dr. Oz.

  12. “…Watch out!”

  13. you have cars drivng by behind your head.

  14. labbygail says:

    “I can’t lose weight, so I don’t expect you to be able to either. Let’s just give up and have fun!”

    There, I translated it for people who don’t speak Surgeon Generalese.

    In all seriousness, I thought you were too hard on her before. Now I think you were right on the mark.

  15. She reminds me of James Earl Jones’ character from Conan: The Barbarian

    http://ranylt.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/thulsa-doom.jpg?w=300&h=300

  16. Just wanted to point out that not all 300+ pound powerlifters/linemen are healthy…. they may be “fit” by one definition or another, but healthy is a different story. Carrying around an extra 50-100 lbs of muscle and fat often takes a huge toll on the body, decreasing relative health. Same to be said of superthin runners/cyclists etc. All indications of high fitness, but healthy?!? not usually. I know as I’ve occupied both of these two extremes and am finally gravitating back to a healthier, if slightly less “fit” middle ground.

    And also: 12% BF MAY be healthier than 8% BF…. certainly healthier than 4%!

    I’m sure I’m just preaching to the choir, but i felt like it.

  17. What does “healthy” mean anyway?

    • Healthy means having enough body fat to last a full 30 days on Survivor without whining about how hungry you are.

      Healthy means layering on enough fat to serve as insulation for the winter, and to get the cells sugary enough to resist freezing. Plus it helps to have extra weight over the tires on slippery roads.

      Healthy means having reserves of fat when epidemic disease or injury puts you in the hospital for months so you live through it. I had to add one real one in here.

    • It used to be pretty damned obvious what “healthy” meant. These days I guess people have screwed around with the meaning to justify their crap lifestyles.

  18. ouch….this is so sad. i eel bad for people of my generation and younger ones…llike really really scared for them and what humans are going to evolve into if we dont end up killing ourselves off first

  19. Wow, I don’t think I’ve seen a character mismatch like this since Chris Farley played the Chippendale’s dancer on SNL.

    Leo brings up a good point – health and fitness are not the same thing. The book “Body by Science” has a good discussion on that in chapter 1. I think if you read “Body by Science” and “Good Calories, Bad Calories” you will probably know more truth about exercise and diet than 99% of Americans. Certainly you will know more than our chubby surgeon general.

  20. Rick Lucas says:

    I slapped together this little GIF to show my opinion:

    http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x119/Makagor/junk/sg-gag.gif

    Enjoy!

    PS: totally SFW

  21. Phocion Timon says:

    This is my creed:

    RULE NO. 1: The government is always wrong.
    RULE NO. 2: Refer to Rule No. 1.
    RULE NO. 3: Never, never, never, ever, never, ever, ever, never trust a politician or his appointee.

  22. Hey Richard, I just read that article saying that a study showed starch grains to be found on a grinding stone from people that lived 30000 years ago. My first response was that we don’t know how often it was eaten, when it was eaten, and what kind of starch it was exactly. I know we shouldn’t totally fear the potato, except that it’s a dense carb. Any other thoughts? Thanks again for all the great info. I posed the same question to Mark Sisson, I figured someone smart would be able to tackle this better than I can.

  23. Just asking here, so don’t attack me.

    Isn’t this Oz character pretty vital and vigorous for his age? Just looked it up and he’s 50. I don’t know what he’s doing with regard to nutrition, fitness, etc., but it seems that the online nutrition community relies quite a bit on anecdotal evidence. That being the case, isn’t Dr. Oz a pretty good testimonial for whatever the hell he’s doing? And that short sidekick doctor friend of his is in his mid-60s…. Roizen or whatever.

    Just askin’.

  24. Well at least we know how you really feel about Jimmy Moore. He lost a significant amount of weight some years back and is enjoying good health. But he is NOT thin and likely never will be. Some people don’t have the genetic predisposition to be skinny but are still “fit and healthy”. I would point out too, that blacks tend to not be thin as they have different body comps than white, europeans.

    As far as Oz being a pussy, here’s what I posted on FB:

    “Pussy is good. As I recall, you guys like using it on a regular basis. So stop the derogatory inference. In truth, Oz is a dickhead…eager but unreliable and definitely stupid! (How’s that for throwing it back in your face?) LOL!”

    • Now there you go, Kim.

      Rather than whine, you come up with something to toss back, like a MAN! :)

      I’ll go with dickhead. Unreliable, eh? Well, perhaps in HIS case. :)

      Salut!

      • I realize that it’s not wise to paint with such a broad brush. Those little pills have increased reliability substantially even if they don’t improve cognitive function ;-)

    • Two major differences — Jimmy Moore was not appointed Surgeon General, and Jimmy Moore is not promoting a 40 year old failed message by dressing it as a success.

      My company forces us to have an annual health assessment, and for many years it was run by a fat greasy lecherous doctor. You’d have to sit there and listen to this fat doctor give you fitness advice every year, and it was a running joke around the company. Now it’s a national joke.

      • Very true, Paul. I just wanted to make the point that even people who don’t eat crap, often struggle with being thin. BTW,I love Jimmy. He’s got a great, open heart and is always honest about sharing his ups and downs. That alone seperates him from the mainstream diet gurus.

    • Kim,

      Jimmy Moore lost metric craptonnes of weight the first couple of months he low carbed–something like 70-80 lbs. Common sense tells us that this was not genetic fat, it was bad food (or as Richard puts it “non-food”) related and his body was overjoyed to let it go.

      He may very well be stuck at his current weight, but that may be because he is now metabolically deranged due to his past eating habits. Or because he eats the same meals every day–look at his food diary.

      All of which is to say that “genetic predisposition” tends to be an excuse. An excuse that I am sick to death of, having spent a couple of years in the diet industry. All really big people lose weight more or less like Jimmy Moore did in the beginning, even though they come in saying that they’ve never lost weight on any diet. Then they lose like Jimmy Moore did. And then they stop coming in because they have to face the fact that they *do* lose weight when they stop feeding their faces. They can’t face the fact that they did it to themselves.

      Even where I am, 30-40 lbs overweight, with family members pushing 400 lbs (and eating massive amounts of junk food) I do not use “genetic predispostion” as an excuse. My take has always been that since I don’t binge and I eat fairly healthy I must be eating something that I’m not supposed to be, and lo and behold, I seem to be both gluten and casein intolerant. And anemic (since the age of 6) and likely b-12 deficient and other things that I haven’t figured out yet but Paleo seems to be correcting. And I’m confident that as long as I continue to avoid poison and load up on nutrients and sat fat I will sooner or later reach a healthy weight.

      And blacks from Africa, Kim, are thin. Working retail in Seattle, which is very multicultural, I can tell an African black from an African-American black at a glance. And it’s not the clothes…

      • Jimmy did clean out his diet a few months back, though. He was drinking loads of diet drinks full of fake sweetners that can mess with your metabolism. That said, I think you’re being way too simplistic saying that anyone can be thin, It’s just not always true.

        As far as the blacks and African’s are concerned: I think you’re confusing thin with lean. Certain African tribes are certainly lean, but all blacks of African descent have more muscle mass than whites. http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/study-black-people-may-have-more-muscle-than-others/
        However, I have seen some flabby African’s. It’s usually because they have a different diet than say the Massai who are some of the finest specimen’s of homo sapiens on earth. I think one can say that because of black African musculature, a diet with substantial protein is probably best. But as I have pointed out, it’s not wise to paint with a broad brush. Humans come in different body types and no one diet is best for all. That’s about the only logical thing one can conclude.

      • I think you and I are essentially on the same page, Kim. But I have to say I’ve never seen a morbidly obese African, while their American cousins seem to put on quite a bit of weight. I’m thinking that Africans just don’t tend to indulge in the crap foods when they come over here, no matter their income level.

        Let me clarify about “genetic predisposition” if I may. I think the closest thing to a universal dietary truth is that there are many people who are spectacularly unsuited for the SAD. The Pimas, many, many blacks, and hell, my own family, including me.

        Lets talk about me, shall we? ; ) While I certainly have the genetics to be 400 lbs like some of my family members you will never hear me saying “oh, I’m just meant to be fat.” That would be like an alcoholic saying “Oh, I’m *meant* to have cirrohsis of the liver, wetbrain, grope strangers, and shit the bed nightly.” And the post about Martin Berkham proves my point with regards to not accepting your current genetic expression–what if he had stopped when he was anorexic? Or just accepted his chubbiness?

        Now, back to Jimmy. Can he lose the rest of his weight? Is he meant to be thin? Well, I do know that most of the Biggest Loser contestants have gotten past where Jimmy is now. Not in a healthy, sustainable manner, but they did it nonetheless. And there were no fat people in concentration camps, not that I’m recommending that either. I do think he’s a half asser, as I’ve seen many times before. There are lots of things he could try, like varying his proteins, or “eating like a King in the morning, a Queen at lunch and a pauper at dinner.” That last has jumpstarted many, many people past plateaus, including me. I also think his workout might be worthless for a man. Cardio-yo-lates? Yoga and Pilates for a large man? Plus steady state cardio? Nu-uh. Dude needs weight training.

        Is his metabolism totally dicked? Who knows? If elderly people can get out of wheelchairs and go on to run marathons, hell if Christopher Goddamn Reeve can start moving body parts on his own, should we really let people think for one second that good nutrition (as in what’s best for the individual) won’t fix a broken metabolism? It’s Conventional Wisdom and Modern Medicine that tell us that these things can’t be fixed. And look where we’ve gotten ourselves healthwise following those clowns.

    • Kim, get off it, “pussy” is a term given to people of any gender that are defenseless, vulnerable, susceptible, powerless, cowardly, weak and/or harmless. It does not refer to a female body part as you’ve inferred here unlike “dick-head.” I’m sure however that the “bubbas” of the world love to refer to women’s anatomy, so fucking what? Don’t sweat the small stuff. Get your mind out of the gutter, your concern regarding a term that you’ve decided is derogatory to women is ridiculous.

      AND, Dr. Oz is FAR from stupid!! And – he’s teaching people valuable information on living a healthier lifestyle. I see the term “dickhead” as a reference to a man that’s an “ass-hole.” lol. Dr. Oz does not live up to that criteria.

      • I can’t believe I actually have to tell you, Nancy, that “pussy” is slamg for a part of the female anatomy. It’s not a generic term like say, arm. At any rate, it’s too bad you can’t take tongue and cheek (don’t get all huffy about those body parts, please). The only one with their mind in the gutter appears to be you. That said, let’s just drop this. Richard and I are having fun, ok?

      • It’s true, Nancy.

        We’re having fun. Now, if the two of you could, like, get together or something….

      • Right………

      • Richard’s hit count just went through the roof.

      • Can’t someone be a dickhead of a pussy, or a pussy of a dickhead? I don’t see why not ;)

      • As per your statement, actually, you said “stop the derogatory inference.” YOU started this, no huffiness here, own up to your post, k? Oh, and thanks for informing me as to what a “pussy” is, I feel so enlightened. You just didn’t read my post, whatever. Oh, and that would be “tongue ‘in’ cheek,” I rest my case. You bet, you and Richard just have a blast but, I’ll not drop it until I’m ready, who are you anyway? The boss of me?

        “Pussy is good. As I recall, you guys like using it on a regular basis. So stop the derogatory inference.”

      • LCforevah says:

        Sorry Nancy, Oz’s info has very little value. It’s the same drivel that’s been fed to the American public for at least three decades.

        Before I would call him a pussy, a dickhead or even an a-hole, I would call him a corporate sock-puppet.

        Below are the correct sites for the Taubes/Oz circus. Sorry Nancy, Taubes comes off as thoughtful and Oz comes off as frenetic and unwilling to listen.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEqhar40TVw&feature=related

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LNH0RPXI0M&feature=related

      • Don’t be sorry, really, it’s fine, I’ll check out Taubes, thanks.

  25. Awesome. Sending this one to my hubby immediately.

    You said it, just like the rest of us see it. A clear deflection of her poor physical state. How about a Surgeon General that acts as an example of health for the rest of society to strive for? I’m so sick of mediocrity and this acceptance that it’s o.k. to be a fat, sick, horribly out of shape person, but still be an authority on health. Thanks for calling it like it is. Bullshit.

    On a happier note, said hubby is in his last year of his medical residency. We’re almost ready to unleash him on the masses! He’s a doctor, an actual doctor with a serious six pack, and a devote paleo caveman to boot. I’m sure there’s more to follow.

  26. But, Tara, having a healthy attractive Surgeon General would make people feel bad about themselves and lower their self esteeeeeeeeem…..

  27. Kim – if you look at elite athletes from the African continent, the distance runners tend to come from eastern Africa, while the sprinters come from western Africa.

  28. dude, keep your day job, your video blogs are way gay.

    • You must be so macho, sweety.
      Richard has more balls than you could ever wish for.
      It takes guts to video yourself making comments and put it online, let’s see you do better. It’s easy to snipe in anonymity.

    • hey tits, go fuck yourself, mKay?

      Hey, thinkin’ I’ll do another vid tonight… I’ve been itchin’ to do one on the 30 bananas crowd.

      • yes, yes, yes!!! Those guys are totally nuts.

      • That’s so funny Kim, because in point of fact, Beatrice and I have more gay friends than straight. That’s what happens when you live in a downtown loft for five years….

        They have in many ways taught me about guiltless joy in loving and living my life.

        One friend, half of a lesbian couple who’ve been together almost 20 years, just died of cancer a few days ago. She was a marvelous friend of mine and I’ll never forget her.

      • So sorry to hear about your friend. I’m in the financial biz and have a few gay couples for clients. They are so much fun to be around. One gay couple, 2 guys, have been together also for 20 years. I always thought that was unusual, so maybe not. At any rate, it just bugs me when someone thoughtlessly says something derogatory about people they know nothing of. Tells me they have probably never spent much time with them.

      • My friends across the hall are going on 30 years. G was kicked out of the navy as a junior officer. I feel so much safer, as a former navy officer myself. Two other sets of male couples are well into their late teen years together, out very good friends ‘the two doctors’ being one. One is a PhD Chemist, the other an MD Psychiatrist.

        They both flew up from SoCal last January to surprise me on my birthday.

        Anti Gay is like anti gun. Everyone fears what they have no experience with and don’t understand.

        Where I used to live, I was about 10 seconds away from a loaded gun, or a gay person, at all times. :)

      • Hey, 2 thumbs up about the gun thing. With time and extra money, I’d like to head to Front Sight firearms training academy in NV. They claim their training exceeds law enforcement, SWAT and military. Plus you get to fire AK-47’s! So it’s pretty intense but the women who go say it isn’t macho or anything.

        PS Do you have an opinion on the best 9Mil?

    • You have a problem with gay?

    • Wow, that thinking is so different from mine. I’d never tell anyone to keep their day job regardless, and I would never presume that Richard HAS a job. I don’t.

      Sure makes for fun conversation when someone asks “So, what do you do?” and they get a real answer to their question rather than what most people give, which is a short version of their resume or at least their job title if in a hurry.

      So, “tite” or whatever the name is supposed to be, way to show the level at which you think.

  29. My Dad always told me, don’t take financial advice from broke people and don’t take dieting advice from fat people. What the hell is so hard to understand about that? Great post Richard.

    • “It’s more COMPLICATED than that, Mike. :)

      Yea right.

      • Kind of like the “I wish I could eat like you do Mike, but I am not skinny like you.” To which I respond “seven months ago I was 45 lbs heavier, then I started eating like this.”

        Government officials are all douche bags, their mouthpieces in the media are fools and idiots. I mean both parties before the apologists for one or the other speak up. Why do we have a Surgeon General anyway? Sounds like another government giveaway to me.

  30. Off-topic, except that it relates to self-videos – hope you don’t mind this observation of mine with a bit of constructive criticism. And don’t think this only happens with your vblogs, it happens with others’, as well as when people Skype, too.

    Built-in webcams unfortunately give the the person in front of the camera little to look at in terms of an audience. However, in conversation as well as public speaking, some eye contact now and then is preferred to an indirect gaze most of the time.

    When making vblogs we don’t have an actual audience and tend look at anything other than the lens, but the lens IS the audience. I understand, the audience/lens is just a tiny dot next to a tiny green light – – not much to engage there.

    If using a built-in webcam on a laptop, the effect of not looking at the lens is even more pronounced than on a desktop monitor webcam and often results in the “you’re looking at my boobs, not me” effect (or you won’t look me in the eye effect) because of the downward gaze onto the image on laptop screen instead of the lens. Which is ok, now and then ;-), but um, not so great for the entire video – distracts from the message content.

    I know it’s hard to make eye contact with people you can’t see or engage with, but without *some* eye contact it’s a bit weird, if you know what I mean.

    May I suggest two ideas for experimentation which might adjust your gaze angle enough so it meets with your viewers more often?

    First, try sitting lower than you normally do, relative to the laptop webcam lens and screen (or set the laptop up higher than usual) so that you are looking up a little instead of downward.

    But what I think would work better (more direct gaze at the lens) is if you could tape a photo of someone’s face (or a group of people) at the top of your screen very close to your webcam lens (just above the lens or even right over it, with a little opening over the lens). Then “talk to the face”, so you are looking more directly at your audience. You could use a photo of the US surgeon general, a good buddy, your family – or anyone you want to imagine as your audience. Maybe even a picture of your favorite boobs would keep your eyes engaged with ours more often ;-).

    Whadya think?

  31. You are very welcome, Richard.

  32. Richard,

    I thought your VBlog was just fine. Then again I don’t have uber high expectations of homemade videos.

    However, I’d been reading your posts in Lewis Black’s voice, complete with wiggly finger, so I was a little disappointed ;) Not your fault you don’t sound like him, though.

  33. I’m not sure why people think they can tell anything about your health from looking at you. I’ve been eating Paleo for about 2 years, and I work out 5 days per week (combo of hiking, strength training, and personal training sessions). I probably weigh about the same as the surgeon general.

    Now, if I ate the standard Amercian diet I’d probably weight 500 pounds, that’s for sure, skinny genes do not run in my family. So I’m definitely better off than if I was watching TV and eating junk. Would I be healthier if I could get 30 pounds off? Well, sure, I’m not claiming any pinnacle of perfection, just that clean eating and training have gotten me to a better place than where I was.

    I do consider myself healthy, if not skinny. My cholesterol, blood pressure, fasting insulin, etc are all excellent. For the most part these comments are making me angry because of the arrogant assumption that you can look at someone and know what they eat and how healthy they are. News flash- some of us with extra pounds have healthy lifestyles, and a lot of skinny people lay around and eat crap. You can’t tell much from a photo.

    I have also noticed comments on a lot of threads indicating “if you just ate paleo you would be thin”. That’s just not true. You’ll be thinner, and healthier, but not necessarily skinny. And those comments tend to alienate many of us from the Paleo community. Sure, we might eat the same as you and train right next to you in the gym, but really we’re fat slobs since those extra 20 or 30 pounds won’t come off, right?