Dr. Jack Kruse, Neurosurgeon, is a Big Effing Liar

Now I know

I was admonished over and over. For months. By "People." Many..."People." Now, mind you: everyone lies. Really. But I've always been the sort to dismiss so-called "white lies," and hyperbole. Moreover, I sit as my own judge in determining for myself whether any particular lie rises to my own standard of outrage—because everyone should have their own standard of outrage.

Let's take progress pics, mine included: tan, suck in the gut a bit—not too much—suitable clothing, decent photography, etc.

Like this?

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Dr. Jack Kruse, Nov. 2009?

No, not even close, and anyone with just a small bit of sense would know immediately it's not only not Dr. Kruse, but most likely never will be. But can you prove it? Indeed, you can. So here goes.

I got emailed a link last evening, right here (if you don't click & look, you'll be a bit lost going forward). It's a screen clip of a photo posted at 7:02pm on May 9, 2012, to IPMG (International Paleo Movement Group) by Jack Kruse from his personal FB profile (not the one representing his blog/website). Yes, as my earlier post attests and is totally genuine, that group is awesome. But this is how I found out about it...not getting out, much. So, please don't let this post dissuade you in any way from enjoying the huge value that group is creating day by day.

Like I said, I knew immediately that was not Jack's back. And I could not imagine how someone could be so brash as to try to pass it off as such. Given events recently, the spoof/parody Twitter account, and still extending (expending?) every benefit of doubt I could until my eyes bled out, I noted that Jack's blog/website account is "Dr. Jack Kruse" and this was from "Jack Kruse," and with a different profile pic. Was he being spoofed, again? Well, it didn't take long to discover he has a personal FB as well, and he has a lot of posts on it tagged public, so you know it's him (plus, the who's who of friends he has).

I then joined IPMG, and scrolled for a long time (there are just tons and tons of posts there, every day) to get a single week back to assure myself that yes, Jack did, in fact, post this:

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...And you know what? I have debated with myself, talked to "People" on the phone, etc. ...Over the last six hours, deciding first to give it a rest and deliberate, and so on. ...And then I look at those comments to that post.

And then I look at those comments to that post

And then, I look at those comments to that fucking post....

Every time I do, I feel more and more ashamed for extending the benefit of the doubt, getting in huge arguments with "People"...even telling some "People" to fuck off, including one of the nearest, dearest and best "People" friends I've ever had.

Go look through the hard ass work some of these people are doing at IPMG and posting it, including women in their panties. Their own hard work; and then, imagine that someone just has to 1-up everybody; and even to the point where, because he's a doc & surgeon—and ought righteously to be above reproach—they innocently submit to him.

Evil? You decide.

Jack Kruse, in the end, asked more than I could ever give and I was willing to give a fuck of a lot. I was willing to put up with his over the top hyperbole as just an ethic: people put up with my over the top blogging in terms of being whatever it is people think of me. I'm paying back.

I've had numerous exchanges with him by text and phone. I always thought he was worth the effort.

But I'm done.

Blogging is being yourself. If you're playing a role, you have a website. I've been being myself and blogging about it—with all the stinky included, since 2003—and it 'aint worth Jack, or anyone else. BTW, giving Jack leeway wasn't unprecedented, even amongst the so-called "Paleo elite." Robb Wolf did, but he became impatient too. I doubt Robb would regret that I mention that he and I had a long email exchange over that, and the real gist is, it's a bummer. Jack is really dynamic and hype be dammed. He could help a lot, but this level of lying is just not something I can abide.

Yes, I did the reverse image search on the photo as well, as my final step of due diligence even though I knew precisely what I would find. If you have any further doubts, click here, courtesy of more good "People."

OK, so now I invite every single People or just people to tell me "I told you so." I guess I deserve it. The one thing is, I no longer have to take anyone's word for it and that's an important thing for me. Yea, I suppose I could have dug, so it's not a huge point.

Onward.

Addendum (5/17/2012): Having looked at at all the comments so far and the other action here and there and around, seeing pretty much what I expected, I figured it was perhaps time to add a bit to the post about the first couple of times Jack made me doubt his sincerity. I brushed those two things off as "strikes 1 & 2," but it's not as though, as some of Jack's defenders attest, that I just went off half-cocked here.

First of all, I talked to Jack by phone—basically a mini-interview—in advance of my first post about him and the controversy involving Leptin Reset and Cold Thermogenesis. I thought both protocols had merit and wanted to spread the word. I'd already seen his Tedx Talk and how he described having had surgery without general anesthesia, went home, had his wife and daughter pack him in ice, etc., etc. As I asked him about all of this over the phone he added that it was that night, January 9th, that I had spoken with him on the phone.

Ever been in a conversation with someone and out of politeness, don't call them on an inconsistency? Perhaps he's mistaken. I didn't actually know which specific evening I'd spoken with him and it's 3 months later. So, maybe he's mistaken about the day. Give it a pass.

Now in retrospect, perhaps it was very important because, you see, for three months I had in mind that when I called, Jack was doing a major CT self experiment. I forget how many hours he said he was going to do, but:

  1. He said not one word about having surgery.
  2. He said not one word about injecting himself with bacteria.

When I asked why he was doing this, he said, "chronic back pain." He also said that his family had no idea he was doing this, that he had taken time off work to do it, had someone watching over him, and that he was eating during the experiment. So, the Tedx talk 3 months later is the first time I hear about the bacteria, surgery, and that his family was involved in the ice packing. Still, I didn't not connect that with my previous conversation with him because there was essentially nothing about the stories that were the same. So when he claimed our conversation was that same night I should probably have not given it a pass, but I did.

Next, during that same phone conversation in advance of my first post, he told me about his "Factor X" and I believe my response was along the lines of 'huh, interesting.' Later, in his podcast interview Abel James, that somehow gets translated into "Richard was totally blown away!" I think he even said it twice. Perhaps it would have been nitpick of me to bring it up then, but not so much now.

Anyway, Jack initially had quite a lot of defenders in this comment thread coming in to complain, then explain how Jack's Facebook account got hacked, etc. They appear to have been silenced, as it has been pointed out that while Jack says he was not on FB at all on May 9th (and was "hacked"), there's 10 other posts from him on his personal FB page that people have screen clips of (in case they've been deleted to cover tracks), and there's posts on his fan page as well, as well as interaction with commenters. In short, there's a whole lot of reasons this simply was not a hack, and essentially no reasons—without trying to explain how the planets orbit the earth—that it was.

And there's a whole lot more.

Finally, as I've said to others in comments, I understand that everyone arrives at their own conclusions in their own time, and based on differing amounts of information. And that's totally fine. I'm just saying that what I've found and have posted about is now plenty for me.

Comments

  1. Travis Steward says:

    I get asked all the time to pose for penis enlargement photos. Maybe Jack and I have that in common?

  2. I can’t really say “I told you so” because I was never really decided one way or the other. It is disappointing though…cheers for blogging about it and doing your due diligence.

  3. Jeremy Voluntaryist says:

    We’ll see what Jack has to say about this. Someone on IPMG already asked if it was a stock photo about an hour ago and there’s been no response yet.

    • HighlySkeptical says:

      It does appear to be a stock photo uploaded on stock exchange (www.sxc.hu/), and it is attributed to the portfolio of Arash James Iravan, who has a couple of hundred other fitness model photos.

  4. Parody. Yes, this is parody. Oh, wait. Tweeter tweeter pumpkin eater had a back so ripped people made a detour.

    Still blogging like an old school blogger from the 90’s.

    Good.

  5. Richard,

    I have nothing but good things to say about you. Not that it should matter so long as you believe in your self and your own thoughts. Oh hell, I have told plenty of friends to fuck off. If they get offended, then really FUCK OFF.

    You are golden man. You are strong and brave enough to admit your screw ups in front of thousands. I say huzza to you. Keep up the good work.

    • +1

      You are real and raw and a total original, with balls and integrity.

      I was on the fence with Kruse because some of his advice was working for me, but as all of this craziness was going on, and I was doing more of my own research, and I’ve found none of his advice is originally his. It’s all borrowed … if you’ve read Wolf, Sisson, TS Wiley, Rosdale, and Ferris/Cronise, it becomes clear. It’s certainly true that people are getting good results from his advice, but the info exists elsewhere so why put up with or overlook all of his infantile, psuedo-messianistic bullshit.

      • That’s it, Kim. I still don’t mind Jack getting “raise awareness” credit.

        But nobody needs him anymore, and he didn’t figure out soon enough in spite of lots of admonitions (tons nobody will ever know about) how to make of himself a real and true value.

        With this, the only way it should be going forward is coming totally clean on everything and asking what he can do to help.

      • You guys must have seen some of the analysis of Jack’s thinking by paleo ivory tower elitists as well as the ol’ stupid moderators at paleohacks in the past year or so.

        Some of it echos Richard’s thought pattern– you can separate the ideas from the person (kind of like separating morality from religion) and it becomes cleaner. But you simply can’t do that with a person who ardently builds a public image such as Jack. He lobbied for a TEDx talk, but before then he was/is one of the top paleohacks users and MDA forum members. There have been many back and forths about things he has said and claimed, and rehashing it would take hours if not days. This is just a smidgen of the analysis, from many months ago:

        Personally, I’ve had dozens upon dozens of online run-ins with Jack, but would still very occasionally read things he says if they were interesting and factual (mostly about my academic subject of interest, chronic pain treatment, and his knowledge of the nervous system).

        The problem is that he is a very different beast than Sisson, Wolf, Kresser, McEwen, Deans, etc etc. They all have unique personalities, but there is no way in goshdarn heck that they would post a fake picture of themselves to a public group, with specific dates and protocols listed.

        Isn’t this whole thing just plain weird? I can’t believe this made-for-TV type stuff is now de-facto a paleo issue.

      • Latest from Dr. Kruse: “appears I have been hack all over social media……”

        Someone says he is claiming that his facebook page was hacked from May 9-11, and he just found out! Oh my goodness. Maybe it was…Lance? Or the paleo ivory tower elitists?

      • Ockham’s razor, kids. Crazy attention-whore dude is crazy attention-whore.

      • He even managed to draw you into comments! He is a world champion of attention-seeking for sure.

      • Well, as Linsay mentions below, I’m a fan of the friar.

        I’ve been online since 1991, when you had to put your rotary phone literally into a MODEM. I have never been hacked and I have more reason to have been than most.

        There’s really only one way to deal with this: onus of proof. It’s his account and did hours of DD on this. Namely, there’s not one single wit of anything else that would lead you to even a smidgen of a suspicion that he was being fucked with.

        Kamel’s other stuff if right on, beasteality wise. We’re all different beasts, but we’re human and can be reasoned with even when we fuck up the most.

        I’ve found over a lot of trying that Jack is deaf.

      • As a completely irrelevant aside, Richard, if you like ol’ Bill of O, I highly recommend the excellent science fiction novel “Eifelheim.”

      • “appears I have been hack all over social media……”

        He’s getting confused by his own lies. By “all over social media” he means the twitter account and now supposedly the facebook account. But everyone here knows the twitter account was not a hack job. It was a parody site. He did lie to the media though and said his twitter account was hacked. Kruse is just a pathological liar. His claim that the facebook account got hacked is probably about the same level of honesty as his claim to the media about his twitter account being hacked.

        Or about as honest as his claim about his attorney deposing a suspect in 5-day old open FBI investigation and then publicly stating that the suspect is no longer connected to the crime that the FBI is still investigating. Not only do depositions in civil cases take time, you have to give the opposing litigants and their lawyers an opportunity to be present. Jack doesn’t even know who the opposing litigants are and hasn’t even filed his civil case yet.

        Jack’s a pathological liar. He tweeted that the FBI traced IP addresses to NY, Chicago, and Boston. He told one of the TV stations that the ringleader lady was from NY. He said that this “Lance” guy has been deposed by Jack’s civil attorney 5 days after the FBI opened their criminal investigation and that this suspect has been essentially cleared of all criminal offenses. He told the media that his twitter account had been hacked. And now he says his facebook account has been hacked. Pathetic.

      • Addendum to my previous comment:

        I might have my tinfoil hat on (and be a little too drunk), but I could also easily see Jack staging a “hacking” of his facebook account to garner more support for the narrative that he has been pushing to the media about hacked twitter accounts and identity fraud.

        But the thing is I don’t know if a fake picture is really the worst of his lies when you look at all the crap that he has been saying since this began, and I will reiterate that it just seems mind-boggling to me that Jack claimed his civil lawyer deposed a suspect in a 5-day old open FBI investigation and that Jack basically claimed that the suspect had been cleared of all charges by his civil attorney.

        For a civil deposition you need to issue subpoenas, you need to give notice, you need give notice to opposing litigants, you need to know who these opposing litigants are, and you need to have an active lawsuit going.

      • It’s Kamal.

      • Hi Evelyn! I’m cool with Richard calling me Kamel :) In real life, I get Kamel, Jamal, Kumal, Kameel, and everything in between on a weekly basis.

      • Chloe says:

        Good point, CS. Although I think Kamel has a nice ring to it, I bet Kamal is sick of seeing his name misspelled.

      • Thanks Kamal. I assure you it’s not racially motivated.

        I have lots of friends who are Indian. :)

      • I hope your periodic misspellings of my name are due to a fervent hatred of Southern Baptists, though. ;)

      • jofjltncb6 says:

        ^this

        +1

      • Yea, indeed, Lindsay.

        Laf.

      • Kristin says:

        Don’t know him (Kruse), don’t care. But your comment crystallizes the other liar/embellisher he reminds me of: Sarah Palin.

      • Woodey says:

        Raise awareness of how a scammer acts. Hopefully people won’t be quick to jump on the next quack’s bandwagon just because they align themselves with a certain community.

      • Chloe says:

        Funny you should mention that, Woodey. Jack was, in fact, part of another online community years ago. A few weeks ago a little birdy emailed me a link to a forum post on http://www.titansreport.com (strangely, it disappeared in the wake of Kruse-gate, but I managed to get a screen shot of the cached version . . . http://i.imgur.com/vqi0F.png, but not of the 100+ responses).

        It turns out that Jack used to frequently post on football forums as “Bongo59″ (he was also a big poster on Disney timeshare forums, but that’s another story). The really amazing part (to me, anyway) is that he seemed to serve exactly the same function on those football forums as he does in the paleosphere. Some people hung on his every word. Others thought he was a total fraud. He portrayed himself as a football insider with top-secret knowledge of upcoming trades, derived from being a medical consultant for NFL teams and knowing insider information about player health. He was often inaccurate and would become defensive and insulting when people called him out. He’s definitely the same Jack that we’re used to–tons of hyperbole, ellipses, misspellings, and narcissism. Here are some the best quotes I’ve found . . .

        Bong59 warning another forum member of the dangers of MRSA (http://bit.ly/JhLSx6):

        Other forum member: “I felt obligated to visit my mom when she contracted MRSA, but I have to tell you I felt very uneasy being there.”
        Bongo59: “you need to wear masks and gowns then……………but the best thing is to stay away………….use a cell phone…………..and i hate to tell you this…………once you get it…………you usually become a carrier…………so if you touch or kiss your momma you may get colonized…………..not kidding.”
        Bongo59: “get tested with a nasal swab especially before any surgery………………
        Bongo59: “if the nurses and docs did not use precautions then you went to a bad facility…………..that is terrible infection control and likely why I would never ever go back there.”

        Bongo59 insulting people:

        “Dr. Z has 6 ****in brain cell 5 of which are infected with a spirochete and one that is shortcircuited…..he should just go to bourbon street in a whore house and get ass raped by the dominator on decatur house!!!!!!that is how i feel about the asswipe” (http://bit.ly/JLps3o)

        “remember getting into Med School with all the Ivy leaguer elitists…………and they frowned down on anyone from a lesser school……………..funny thing is by yr two of med school when i was the top ranked student they all sure changed their tune and fast” (http://bit.ly/JfYRyw)

        “Now you cant even comprehend your own post or maybe you can not construct a written thought and tranlate it via a lexicon…………….youre a marroon on this one……………Givens may bust or may not…………no one knows because he has not had the ability to play at all due to injury…………..but you have Givens all figured out…………………………..unfreakingbelie vable”
        (http://bit.ly/J0pyDi)

      • Wow. He even used “marroon” back then instead of “moron.”

      • Chloe says:

        I know! And he loves that spirochete insult. He used that on Dr. Harris once.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        Woweee.

        Jack lies under oath about neurosurgery, Jack lies in NFL forums, Jack lies about signing a book deal with Mark Sisson, Jack lies about gaining 150 pounds on his bench press without training just from CT, Jack lies about Michael Phelp’s training temperature, Jack lies about…who knows what else?

      • This new episode really does not shock me. I expect that this guy’s fall from grace will continue, with more lies coming out each week. It’s lamentable that people are still sticking up for him and holding on to the “I was hacked!” prayer.

        No way in hell I’d ever say “I told you so!” to anyone, much less Richard. At the same time, I felt that Richard was compromising his own considerable analytical instincts in order to continue his neutrality towards Kruse, simply because Richard likes to take up for a person who appears to be getting picked on. (Of course, I don’t know Richard, so this is pretty much just fantasy on my part.)

        Anyway, no spiking the football here, but it was painfully obvious from the very beginning with this guy, to me, when he was posting as “Dr. K” and attempting to pass off other peoples words as his own.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        On paleohacks, he would copy and paste things from the internet and claim them as his own. When someone would call him out, he’d call them a hater. Things haven’t changed!

        What’s funny is that he said long ago that he completely avoids the elitists/dummies at paleohacks. That isn’t true. If you click on his profile, you can see that he checks paleohacks like every 20-30 minutes throughout the day, even when he’s in surgery.

      • Carl, he would literally copy and paste some doctor’s article from somewhere about treatmeant of a patient, trying to pass it off as his own treatment of one of his patients. I busted him twice on it and each time he did indeed call me a “hater,” and made some excuse for why he tried to make it look like they were his words.

        I was fucking dumbfounded.

        Reading the football stuff makes me certain that there’s more out there on the web. I guarantee that there’s more crazy shit with this guy.

      • So he’s “bongo59″ on all of these football forums I’m finding?

        http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116974

        “A medical professional who posts on a Tennessee Titan’s message board as “Bongo59″, has stated on a few occasions that Allen’s injury may prohibit him from living out his dream of playing in the NFL. “Bongo59″ works as a medical consultant with the NFL and the Tennessee Titans. He is a regular poster on Tennessee Titans message boards and provides regular scoops.”

        http://outermonvolia.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_outermonvolia_archive.html

      • Chloe says:

        Yeah, as far as I can tell he is the bongo59 you find all over football forums (not just Titans ones).

      • Ok, I could handle the other stuff, even the fake photo – but the football stuff? Wow, holy shit. What is this guy’s problem? Narcissistic pathological liar complex?

      • Chloe says:

        What’s worse than being a narcissistic pathological liar? A narcissistic pathological liar who shares confidential medical information in online forums (or maybe he was lying about this stuff too? you never know with Jack).

        “Dr Uribe does…………and he is involved in this case….hate all you want………..he is going to have a microfracture proceedure on his right knee……….he went on Ir because the docs wont let him come back for 9-12 months…………i’ll bet you he starts next yr on the PUP…………..that is what is wrong with his knee. ”

        “his surgery was completed at 2:35…………PM today…………you’ll hear the rumors of what he had done soon…………his surgery started at 11:35 AM…………..no scope procedure takes that long…………… ”

        “you dont get links for anesthsia records…………..but when you know the board runner in the hospital………..you get the proceedure and in and out times………..” (http://bit.ly/JovGcC)

      • Chloe says:

        This is a great quote about Bongo59 from some other forum member:

        “This is Bongo’s addiction. It’s his drug.

        If he’s not posting here, he’s doing it elsewhere.

        This guy needs help.”

        (http://bit.ly/J3wwGl)

  6. Travis Steward says:

    I think the quality of not listening to the crowd and instead choosing to decide for yourself is an extremely powerful trait. Such logic leads to proper eating and lifestyle in its own right. However, at times, you will find yourself giving something of poor quality the benefit of the doubt. This is the nature of the process. The fact you gave Jack a chance is precisely why you’ve discovered and communicated such profound truths to us all, and why you are and will continue to be an intellectual leader for this crazy new “paleo” movement, in my mind.

    As well, the fact you made your error public and have opened yourself up to criticism speaks volumes of your character.

    • This is so high school, I can’t stand it. Makes me want to throw out my turkey legs and run to Dairy Queen. Not really, but, come on!! All this hype and bullshit. Why? Just be honest. Thanks for pointing out the truth, Richard.

      Uh… Richard. Will you be so forthcoming when you find out I am right about God? I can wait….

      • “Uh… Richard. Will you be so forthcoming when you find out I am right about God? I can wait….”

        Any idea how much human capital I wasted on that, Kate, over 20 years and winning preaching contests and going to divinity school? There’s shit I can’t even say because it would hurt my wife, whom I love dearly.

        Fuck “God.” I can not point to a single thing “he” ever did but fuck me. I only width I had those 20 years back to think for myself.

      • I was teasing….But I’m sorry so many people feel the way you do. I’ve been fucked,too….and it wasn’t God’s doing. It was my own and other human’s doing the fucking. God isn’t out there going “fuck Richard”. At least in my opinion. We do well all by ourselves. And, those 20 years made you who you are. Don’t ask for them back. You might have been a real dick without them….oh you are…

      • Careful, Kate. :)

      • God does not do, nor does god hear, see, taste or perceive? WHY????? Because concept of god is just that….a human being made aspect of a narrative that gives the psyche exactly what it craves: certainty and comfort….That is it….

        Know this about the human beings….We build….we assemble….we crave certainty…we crave comfort….Think critically through an evolutionary lens and all comes slightly more into focus.

        I am sort of dumbfounded that people are still having this back and forth over the concept and potential existence of a supernatural being. It’s like convincing a member of the Flat Earth Society that the Earth is not really flat. I wonder how long that took to convince the rest of the believers? 100 years or more, I’d guess.

        God believers, like the rest of the believers in a fantastical construct – must assemble and create such an inner environment to gain remedy over their psychological fears; namely the fear of loss.

      • Hey, what ever floats your dingy. I love it when someone is so foot stomping CERTAIN there is no God. How do you really know? You have faith in your convictions. Is there a religion of non-believers? My faith is that He exists. (And I am anti-religion. ) We could go at this all day, but I won’t.

      • IWhy not? I get it – even though you are wrong. :) Do you mind explaining your “God” to me – please?

        Just because you are unsure – does it reassure you that you have a god card in your back pocket?

      • Kate,

        Are you certain there are no pink, fuzzy unicorns running around in the wildlands of Russia?

        I am fairly certain there are no pink, fuzzy unicorns running around the wildlands of Russia, and yes I am fairly certain there is no magic man in the sky. Yet the major difference is, psychologically we can ascribe the “why” to — why one would want to believe in a god, and how the brain develops constructs such as gods, heavens, angels, demons, etc to help alleviate uncertainty and discomfort.

        Faith is a product of social conditioning nothing more. Faith is a cop out. Faith is lazy. Faith is can’t sit at the adult table.

        Seriously, debating to a devote is like trying to critique Shakespeare with a child who’s not even learned the alphabet yet.

      • TheIdealState – Well put, and oh so spot-on. We make our own fate, our own ways in life, and whether we’ve been naughty or nice, there’s nobody waiting with a catcher’s mitt at the end of the tunnel when our number is up.

        Live it well, and treat everyone the same – as you would wish to be treated. …And live it like this is all there is – when you’re dying and that moment of doubt creeps in, regret would be a real buzz-kill.

      • jocelyn357 says:

        You are not alone, Kate! :)

      • I don’t equate God to some fuzzy unicorn. Oh gee….Come on…the Santa Claus, tooth fairy argument is so passe. And if I were God, I’d stay away from the wild lands of Russia…Social conditioning? Come on….again..I am just so glad you are so gosh darn certain. The social conditioning of the big bang, Darwin and evolution can’t be ignored. Seriously, debating with a devote such as yourself is like debating with a California liberal. I don’t even try.

      • “Live it well, and treat everyone the same – as you would wish to be treated. …And live it like this is all there is – when you’re dying and that moment of doubt creeps in, regret would be a real buzz-kill.”
        Ann, I am glad we can both live this way. I’m not concerned with the great beyond, because according to my faith, heaven starts right now. What happens when I die, well, no one knows for sure, not anyone….not even theidealstate. And I’m glad we won’t have any regrets when we take our last.

      • :) I know.

      • Typical….I don’t think you get the analogy very well – that’s your deal.
        I actually have a fairly good idea of what happens when we die…just like I do when a flower dies, a whitetail deer dies and when Uncle Jon dies…..We decay….We rot….We decompose into basic elements….period, end of report…Not exactly what you want to hear, ehh? Again, that’s why your narrative will discount that notion for a more comforting remedy; that of eternal existence.

        You do realize that our consciousness is a by product of many psychological dynamics…Identity, memory, binding effect, etc.

        Do you actually think you retain this after termination? Do you honestly, believe we somehow, magically transfer identity, structure and form, memory-based constructs to the etherlands?

        Come on, pure silliness. Face your fears, jump out of the plane, get punched in the face – and get over the fact that you are alone – we all are, and it’s ok….The risk of abandoning such silly notions is not as scary as you think.

      • And just so you know, I don’t subscribe to static catalogs such as liberal and conservative, and blah your this and blah I am that. I LOATHE static ideology e.g. the Republic, the Democratic, the criminal, the ethical, the Christian, the Muslim….Each time you subscribe to a static ideology, you immediately abandon your critical framework for comfort found within the familiar. It is what cowards, pussies, and lazy folks do…..Biases, heuristics, and affects RULE ALL.

      • “Do you actually think you retain this after termination? Do you honestly, believe we somehow, magically transfer identity, structure and form, memory-based constructs to the etherlands?”

        I got your analogy. I just thought you limited God to some purple fuzzy thing. Kinda silly.
        What I said was no one knows what happens to our soul. I believe I do, and that is MY prerogative. There is no condemnation in Christ. Yes, our physical decays, etc. No doubt. I just am amazed that you claim to know, with out question, positively….point blank. When you don’t know, i don’t know. No one knows. But that is your prerogative. I do know I have a soul.

        BTW, I was poking Richard in the ribs with my initial post. He got it;….you didn’t.

      • The point here isn’t who my “God” is. or who your gods are. The point is this blow hard jerk making a mockery of a decent way of living. He is making us all look like freaks. We are already “not like the others” and to have him “represent” us and then lie through his teeth, isn’t flattering for the home team. My God is my God and I’m not going to argue that point any more. Even with you, dear mark. Oh, and I’m reading “God Debris” at Nigel’s suggestion.

      • Oh, God Debris is a fun little book. Picked it up at a used bookstore right near my cabin a few years back. Quick read.

      • I don’t want to come across as having OCD, but…
        It’s “God’s Debris”
        *sigh*

      • Wrist slap.

      • Fuck you, KarEoke singing whore. I’m on a soft keyboard and it has a clear agenda against me, just like you. :)

      • Worth the time? Ever seen my reading stack, it’s a work of art in and of itself. I am reading several show stoppers and my que is about 30 deep right now of must reads.

      • Do people really setup agendas against other folks, where they sorta troll around like Schmegal from the Lord of the Rings, ghastedly awaiting any and every attempt to run counter to your every expression? Do these people really exist? Do pink fuzzy unicorns exist? Do gods, angels, and tittiliewinks exit?
        Which one does not belong? Which one is not like the others?

        Praise be Allah, I do love “The Others”….Nikoley one of “the others”…Like Timothy Leary said a few decades back, “Find the others” I have always cherished that quote for some reason or another.

      • Come on Kate – this Jack stuff is boring..

        Jesus fucking christ, that was good Marc. It’s hard to accept that thought, memory, and SOUL, are just chemical/biological reactions mixed in with environmental stimulous. “They avoid getting punched in the face” at all costs.

        So each “soul” of every last living animal, plant, and micro-organism that has ever lived on the earth (and every other planet?) over the last 2-3 billion years (at least for earth anyways) are in heaven looking down at us (because we are related/family correct?) and watching over us?

        Do real religious people even know they are related to a tree? That they have sex, reproduce, eat, breathe, and are made of the same “material” found in the earth, the air, and in space?

        Again – explain your God – I’m dying to hear your version.

      • I can say “I just know”. But that would be too easy, and a cop out. My beliefs have evolved (pun intended) away from organized religion and all the mumbo jumbo that comes with it. Putting my beliefs on “paper” is hard. But it is something I have never done. So I will. I will blog it.

      • Very Cool. There is a good documentary coming out now called “God in the Box”. It’s very good.

      • I’ll try and catch it. My kids don’t have TV and I’ll be there all week. I used to have God in a nice neat package, but He isn’t. It’s all so much bigger than I can fathom. If belief in God is from mental dysfunction then we should ALL be talking to Jesus.

      • Amen to that – we are all mentally challenged to a degree. My mother had schizophrenia as well – she took her own life way too early. The mind is fucking powerful – I’m sure its easy to believe in the divine.

      • Fuck that Apple shit with its fucking soft keyboard and fucking useless autocorrect. I prefer a BlackBerry as it fits in the tiny front pocket of my jeans, has a proper keyboard and it doesn’t try to correct my immaculate spelling.

        I will definitely be singing during our Skype chat. Heh-heh!

  7. If you care, google search by image:
    http://goo.gl/dFGlx

    • CG:

      Yea, it’s like I told some folks: I’m not sure whether the lie or the unbelievable stupidity of it offends me most.

      • Chris says:

        I’m with you on that one.

        I’m still confused as to the level of being lemmings and just going along with it is offensive or not.

  8. Charles Madden MD says:

    In the end it comes down to the ethics of science. Plagiarism and falsifying data are mortal sins. This was a photographic example of both.

    • SoCalGal_in_MT says:

      Have you actually seen any real data from him? No, I haven’t either. But not only does he post false pics, he rips off (plagiarizes) “motivational” speakers as his own shit. Changes one word or a couple and his followers just eat it up. Makes me want to cry; the lack of critical thinking skills in this sphere :-(

      • Yeah he even ripped off a VERY popular Steve Jobs quote (I believe it was a slightly altered version of “remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose”) and not long after Jobs’ death. After that happened I was thinking “Really?! Uhhh, does nobody see this?”

      • Jobs was ripping off a whole lot of people with that thought. G.I. Gurdjieff, among others.

      • Anna K. says:

        Richard! you need to write a blog on plagiarism. What is it, is it ethical, moral, legal or who cares??? There is so much controversy about plagiarism here.

        This quote is a good example “remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose”.

        I think we are a bit too uptight with quoting everything and giving sources to everything. It’s a fucking blog, not a PHd paper. Get over this people.

        Do I care who said this quote first? NO! it either resonates with me or not. That’s what I care about.

        It’s one thing to plagiarize research or technological achievement, may be a few paragraphs of text, but Not a fucking sentence.

      • I can answer that in one sentence, Anna:

        Write originally, in hopes someone will quote you one day.

        Get it?

      • Anna K. says:

        LOL, sure, but the longer we go, the fewer original combinations of words become available :)

        And that’s I’m not a writer, or I’d have a blog!

        But seriously, death is a big “issue” we all are dealing with and that’s why this point – “remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose” resonates with so many people, especially young. And that’s the point of motivational speaking. Hence it’s reused so often. Really, there are very few concepts in motivational speaking that work, that’s why they all are being reused.

        So no, It’s not that simple.

  9. I have to second what I’m seeing as the trend on these posts. You’re allowed to be wrong sometimes (and you’re right more often than you’re wrong). You’re allowed to change your mind when confronted with new evidence. Those things are okay – never changing your mind, never taking anything back, is not a sign of integrity, it’s a sign of close mindedness or religious fervor. You thought Kruse was onto something (and let’s not forget that he might have been, we should keep an open mind about cold adaption, just because the guy’s a liar doesn’t mean he’s wrong about everything he said), you shared it with us, that’s your job – that’s why we read your blog.

    I like your work a lot. I think you’re right more often than not, and I’m glad as hell that you’re willing to admit that you were wrong when it happens. That, to me, is more valuable in some ways than always being right. You could avoid mistakes by just shutting up and never writing anything, but what would be the point of that? Who would you be helping?

    • Joe, thanks.

      I debated putting the CT stuff in here, but I can always deal with that later. This was not the time or place for exculpatory excuses.

      But, yes, we will be moving forward with CT and we don’t need an overt liar’s help with it.

      ….And “Factor X” won’t matter a wit to anyone.

      • Richard, can you share with us factor X please? I keep waiting for it to be revealed, but it’s not happening any time soon :(
        I’ve also noticed a while back that dr. Kruse said that you were blown away in his podcast, but you said you weren’t.
        There is so much suspense with this factor X.

      • Alright.

        You ready? Careful, you might be “blown away”

        Factor X: An asteroid hit the planet way back when, but it did so on a southern trajectory, spewing all the dust and ash southward, which, once everything evened out, still left a bit in the arctic region of the north and probably everything died except for those who could survive the cold.

        That’s basically it. As Jack said, I was “totally blown away.”

        Sure, if there’s real to it, worth considering and so forth. But that would be science, not factor x.

      • Chloe says:

        I guess nobody’s commenting on this because they’re “totally blown away”?

        I have a feeling Jack isn’t going to get the reaction he hopes for when he unleashes Factor X into the world.

        I assume he made you swear to keep Factor X secret, Richard. He’ll probably threaten to sue you now. You will rue the day you revealed Factor X!

      • Colintendo says:

        Nobody can comment on it because after they’ve read it their brains explode all over the screen. I’ve avoided this by censoring myself.

      • In fairness, there are probably other elements to it that might give rise to totally blown awayness, that’s just my quick take because I really never did pay attention to all of his Holy Grail-esqe stuff and Ancient Pathways anyway.

        I was just basically interested in CT. Still am. Nobody needs Jack for that and we certainly don’t need the antics.

      • Actually, The ancient pathway leads back to my ancestors cold dipping into the fjords in Sweden to produce big strong Viking women. Just clarifying things!

      • marie says:

        Oh no! My ancestors dove in the warm waters of the Mediterranean to produce nubile sirens…so we musta fallen off the ancient pathway! Sniff :-(

      • Greek goddess and Nordic wench. Let’s just take ths place over!!

      • marie says:

        Oh yeah! This narcissistic thing’s not so bad, eh?

      • marie says:

        Megalomaniac narcissistic thing… ;-)

      • Uncephalized says:

        Wow… just wow. I already knew he was a crank, but holy shit.

      • Self adoration, yes ma’am!

      • marie says:

        Win!

      • Richard, factor X is supposed to be 2 letters long and every 2d grader supposedly knows it. So now sure what he told you, may be factor X changed since then?

      • Oh, I don’t know, Ann. So there’s a code word for the code word? I was just relaying it in the general sense I recall from him telling me about it. But between all the Michealngolo’s David stuff and flights back and notes and stuff, it’s tough to follow him.

  10. Frank says:

    Tineye lists a bunch of results too. Only real dummies would try to pass pics off as their own in today’s day and age imo

    http://www.tineye.com/search/26f4ce0fadb1c26bd3bf555d237d4337ef7716e4/

    • You have to ask yourself… Do you think Kruse is THAT MUCH of an idiot?

      • SoCalGal_in_MT says:

        Sarcasm meter failing big-time? Uh, yeah. Big time. Narcissists are idiots. In general. I think “Dr. K” fits the picture all-around. He needs help. Seriously.

    • Interestingly that page is no longer available. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

  11. Dame Liberty says:

    Amen.

    Kruse has done a disservice to the Paleo community by casting doubt on its reputation as a serious, science-based nutrition/fitness movement.

    I think the AHS speaker committee should consider removing him from the roster in August.

    • I think he should back out for his own humility.

    • gallier2 says:

      Sorry, but you didn’t pay attention then, because the 180° flip-flop of Don Matesz, the overhyped nasty Carbsane and the “I’m a mainstream researcher now and Gary Taubes is not” Stephan Guyenet already did that in 2011.

      • gallier2 says:

        After re-reading my comment, it sounds like I take his defence, which I don’t. I only wanted to point out that he is not the first one to damage the reputation of “paleo” as a science-based nutrition/fitness movement.

      • Man gallier, you sure have a bug up your ass about Stephan Guyenet. You are putting Kruse and Guyenet in the same boat? Really?

      • gallier2 says:

        No, he’s worse. With Kruse it’s quite obvious he’s a freaking liar. Stephan can assert big whoppers with a strait face and he’s groupies applaud. It’s especially insidious as he will tell 20 things that are absolutely right with one big fat untruth.

      • gallier2 says:

        his groupies

      • Yes, Gallier, but it’s a big fat untruth from a certified expert in the field!

      • gallier2 says:

        Indeed, that makes it ok then ;-)

      • scott says:

        Hi gallier, can you give the primary example of Stephan Guyenet’s un-truthful assertions?

        Do you distinguish between discussion of theory & assertions?

      • Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Gallier.

  12. I’m glad to see you man-up, Rich. It takes balls to say that you were wrongly invested.

  13. But let’s not throw the ice water out with the baby.

    During all this Ray Cronise showed up. People got to showcase their personalities. We all were able to see passion, glimpse at other experimenters, and several people got cozy with each other in an open-marriage kinda way.

    Wasn’t there a back and forth about the difference in truth and honesty?

    Hello harvard, I have a case study.

    • Jscott:

      I have had a ton of email exchanges w Roy. He too acknowledges that Jack has elevated awareness.

      I Doubt Roy or myself thinks that Kruse is needed to move forward. :)

      • Damn it Richard I go to great lengths to play with myself in words here and when I drop epic lines what do I get? I get the cold shoulder and more talk of moving on with another boyfriend.

        tl;dr
        You are a dick to me richard!

        And I am not giving you any smiley faces!

      • No simles, but I’m suspectiong you’re expecting a Laf in return.

        Laf.

  14. That isn’t even a real photo of a human, look at the deltoids versus the neck, it’s either a graphic made to look like a photo or a photo that has been shopped.

  15. There are a few great comments that Dr. Kurt Harris wrote on Carb Sane last week (second one is a continuation of the first) that deal with some of the “truths” the good Dr. Kruse has spouted lately:

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-over.html?showComment=1336952270321#c5026974847429679983

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-over.html?showComment=1336952321463#c2892765876503508476

    Plus there’s always this: http://www.aansneurosurgeon.org/210112/8/1210

    Richard, kudos for just coming out and saying it. This man shouldn’t be trusted, or even listened to.

  16. To bad there are dates for the photos as I have been known (once upon a time in an internetz far far away) to swipe great looking bod pics for facebook/google ads. Kruse still could have resurrected!

    (Do not be alarmed if you see your pic in an ad. All profits go for a very good cause: ME.)

  17. hcantrall says:

    Amazingly enough, it really is possible to get a “feeling” about people you meet online. I’m not sure how, maybe little things that seem insignificant get flagged in the back of your mind. That said, after reading almost everything Kruse ever posted about on Paleohacks.com and comments he’s made to my questions I always felt this guy wasn’t all he liked people to think he was. If you’re around here to try to help people, why the cryptic answers that don’t actually help the people or person? Why bother really?

  18. Richard, in my limited two years intermittently following you I’ve always thought that the hard exterior we see in pics and imagine while reading your words are only a part of you. The way you voice yourself is open, honest and because you give a shit. You care. You respect. You trust. When these are dented, broken even, the feeling of WTF will hit your core. It reads like its hit yours. When people we look up at shit on us like we are fools, vent. It’s what you do well. It’s what you’ve done here. It’s a strength. Then close the fucking door and don’t look back. Well done mate.

  19. It’s sad and disappointing. What sucks, is that it does taint the entire canon of his work. His work could certainly contain gold and gems, now like so many mines – the value very well may be unclaimable by surrmounting piles of dirt.

    Now, does Jack’s one outright, vertiginous lie – pose it’s own autonomous quality thrust upon the quality of his canon of work? Perhaps, after all does a man merely speak with forked tongue, only to repent – to a never again state? Hardly….

    What I dig about my boy Nikoley is…like me and others (who kick fucking ass) only sincerely care about one pursuit above all else….Fuck the being right…Fuck being popular….Fuck the money…..Fuck the admiration. Fuck it and the horse IT rode in on….ALL WE care about is truth; to the best of our experience, express the truth, and do not accept any secondary form….

    Much love from up above…

  20. Richard,

    I know you probably aren’t in the mood to defend any of Jack’s idea’s at this point in time, but what do you think about cold thermogenesis now? Similar to what Robb Wolf thinks of it?

    Secondly, what if someone hacked his FB account? I don’t want to sound too “conspiracy theory” on this, but I just get this feeling that “someone” is trying to ruin him, because he’s on to something “too big”.

    I wouldn’t say this, if I hadn’t seen how many of Nikola Tesla’s ideas (wireless electricity being one) were shoved under a rug. Tesla along with other brilliant men, have been intentionally downplayed, and some, downright destroyed for their ideas and work. Burzynski is another.

    I know you are pissed off about this, but I would like to get your level-headed thoughts on this.

    • All that being said, most of what he says doesn’t jive with what I know (research I’ve read), but I think he’s on to something with cold adaption. I always try to listen to people who most think might be crazy.

    • I just got out of a thoroughly enjoyable 30 minutes in the tub at 60 deg, music blaring (boredom is more brutal than the cold).

      As to the rest, I’ve spent as much of my own capital on Jack as I can. In spite of my and Robb’s admonishments to toned own, he insists of spending, even if he was hacked. I spent hours on DD this time.

      I doubt it. It’s his account. Burdens of proof is on him. Not me.

  21. The best things you can offer up on a blog are information and integrity. Like it or not, people will look up to you, and you should do your best to be deserving of it. Being open about your failings and humanity go a long way toward making people respect you.

    Being dishonest is just not cool.

    Very sad, both for him and for those that looked up to him.

  22. What a really fucking stupid thing to waste a reputation on.

  23. Well I didn’t tell you so, but I told a lot of others. LOL

    It brings me great pleasure knowing I’ve NEVER given this guy the benefit of the doubt, and often use him as the butt of all jokes.

    • Yeah, no real surprise here. Motherfucker always rang my batshit alarm.

      I was getting real disenchanted, but, hey, if we kick the crazies to the curb we still gots it.

  24. Leitek says:

    Ha ha ha, that’s hilarious.

  25. Dangph says:

    Here is the image captured by archive.org on May 13, 2008:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080513091618/http://dynamictrainingsite.com/copyright.html

  26. I haven’t had the chance to correspond with jack. He lost me at the time he told me he would “fire me” as a patient. Such arrogance. I never would have asked for his help in the first place. I would need an endo – not a neurosurgeon.
    I won’t waste my time after that – I’m
    Sure he is brilliant and all
    – but obviously stupid as well. (Callin it as I see it.) I just don’t have the energy… and way better shit to do.

  27. funny stuff. Thanks for keepin’ it honest richard!

  28. He’s just posted on facebook that his account was hacked. Ummm…don’t think so.

    • So you’re an expert on computer hacking I presume?

      • obviously

      • Look, mattew.

        You can be as stupid as you want to be,

        I can be stupid to a point, and now everyone knows what that limit is. If Jack was hacked at FB, he can surely get cooperation, they can actually see what IP address that post cam from in their logs.

        Jack is not going to do that.

        By now, even he knows that there are many Paleo hardware and software engineers who can dig through logs like reading the morning paper over rice krispies.

        He’s toast, at least to all people who have limits of stupidity.

      • Some points from someone who works in that area of expertise:

        – IPs do not prove you were hacked. ISPs route IPs in a way that they are not always an accurate indication of location. That’s why the FB page says “approximate”
        – We are taking him on his word for device usage, but the user agent queries that FB uses for “device” are also not 100% accurate and at my old dev shop we were discouraged from using them due to accuracy issues (responsive design is better because it doesn’t depend on them). Also his phone browser might be something wonky that’s being mislabelled.
        – if he was really hacked he should contact FB/the authorities, his log doesn’t prove anything at all

      • One bugaboo someone already mentioned as I’m going through a backlog of comments now (dinner with wife’s family, just got back) is that when you post to IPMG, as I did, you are automatically followed for the post, and you get email notifications for each comment (I had to turn them off for a couple of posts I did). That is, unless you have changed the FB notifications from that default setting previously. So all those “yea Jack’s” would have gone to him, unless someone was able to simultaneously divert his email account at the same time.

        Calling Lindsay, and her previous “Bill” reference.

        Hell, when I found that post this morning I clicked to follow it and within minutes of my post there were two or three comments to that post of Jack’s alerting to my post, and I got email notifications of those.

        Perhaps Jack did too. he did jump on this very quickly.

      • Monte says:

        How do you know he won’t get IP addresses?

      • You can get IP addresses easily, but once again, they don’t prove anything. Mine for example show I was in Ohio today. I wish. Just my ISP’s routing.

      • Monte says:

        Isn’t this a two way street though? This whole post seems wildly reactionary. Is scrolling down on your browser and using the wayback machine what’s considered due diligence these days?

      • Wildly reactionary?

        Laf (inside joke).

      • I’m not saying his account was hacked and I’m not saying it wasn’t. I’m saying that I’m staying open on this, because I don’t like to jump to conclusions. THAT is stupid.

        So, Richard, you can jump to conclusions all day long and form a lynch mob if you want to, but the jury is still out and that’s what I’m saying. Don’t call me stupid just because I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

        When the evidence shows up then I’ll decide, like a REASONABLE human being.

      • Being hacked is certainly more plausible than this surgery/MRSA story. Never bothered trying to post proof of that.

      • Brent says:

        Matthew, the evidence is that he basked in praise for his ripped back for a full week. If he’d been hacked, he would have mentioned it immediately.

        I doubt there’ll be a lynch mob. Look for him to be ignored as another internet nutter.

      • Frankie says:

        Yes, he posts on FB most days, surely he saw the notifications for the photo comments.

      • Matthew, Kruse told the media when this all started that someone hacked his twitter account. But everyone knows that ShitKruseSays was a parody feed, not someone hacking Jack’s twitter account. But Jack went on various TV stations and claimed his twitter account was hacked because that made a better story. So why believe him this time?

      • Matthew, be my guest.

        I posted about reaching my own level of outrage, and I believe the record shows I’ve been more that open and supporting of Jack, and this does not in any way compromise what _I_ know about CT for _me_, which is very fruitful, to say the least. I sit here on the patio as I type on my iPad in sub60 temps in a t-shirt & shorts, comfy as can be. That’s not me, normally.

        But as to you? Your mileage may vary and that’s fine.

      • jofjltncb6 says:

        I sent a couple of posts about this issue (and others) to the IPMG last night…from my own ~54ish degree soak.

        I always did appreciate irony/sarcasm/interesting coincidences…

  29. jon w says:

    Richard, I had to snicker when I looked back and forth from the words “suitable clothing” to your muddy website photo. Anyway, I liked cold plunges before ever hearing of this guy and I imagine I’ll still do so. But you don’t really emphasize the important thing here – it’s one thing to post a fake muscle photo to impress people; it’s another thing to falsify the results from a medical/fitness technique that may in fact be hurting folks. Stroking your ego is one thing, but this guys is an embarassment to real doctors and scientists.

    • Jon w

      Fair enough. “People” think likewise.

      My only poor excuse, becaue that’s the best any excuse gets, is that now I am sure. I’m sure on my own account and that means a very lot to me,

  30. Stevie Pavel says:

    Richard-

    Some food for thought. Before you fired off this masterpiece, you should have asked the good doctor to verify his security session tracker on Facebook. FB keeps track of all sessions in a log. Might allay some fears and calling him a liar if for example, it showed access from a location that he obviously was not at during the time in question – May 9th 7:02pm. I work in the media field and our records show he was being interviewed by the press. I’m pretty certainly he wasn’t Tweeting and/or posting to FB during the media blitz.

    This is really speculation. Why don’t you ask him and his legal team look at the session log for FB. Oh, and by the way, this screen shot of the picture from his photo album clearly shows he was never trying to say this was him. In fact he refers to it as women’s back joking with his friend Brian Newman.

    http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/880366-517201224530AM

    From my perspective, the comments made to the photo at 7:05pm certainly sound more like those made by Dr. Kurt Harris here as a mocking jesture to Dr. Kruse. Even referred to as “channeling Dr. Kruse” on the blog.

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2012/05/its-over.html

    Now, if the idiotic IPMG lemmings could ask for some documentation or call him out instead of running around like they found a loaded gun and screaming murder, someone could probably actually verify if this was his post or not pretty quickly.

    • Monte says:

      Thank You Stevie. What about this Richard?

      • What about what? What time zone do IPMG posts go up? Are they uniform for all, or local to each user?

        What if it turns out 7:02 pm was in pacific time?

        In any case, I’m not concerned and yea, Jack is going to try to wriggle out of this one too.

        I’m done with it. That’s all. Everyone else gets to decide for themselves. Everyone now knows what I think about it.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        Jack’s lying, very badly. He just randomly posted a random muscular man’s back as his profile picture? All the rest of his profile pictures are of him, or occasionally hot chicks. He only made a joke about it after someone prompted him, in reference to an earlier picture of a girl with big hooters.

        If anything, the joke makes it even more obvious its him–he jokes that it’s the big-boobed girl, but from the back, when it is clearly a muscular male. Elsewhere on the internet, Jack talks about what outstanding shape he was in during the fall of 2010, and how strong he was. None of this really matters though, as posting some dude’s back incongruously as your profile picture proves nothing about being hacked on facebook.

  31. Trish says:

    And you’ll be proclaiming Jimmy Moore a hypocrite in 3 … 2 … 1

    /I hope

    • EatLessMoveMoore says:

      If and when the anti-Jack backlash reaches critical mass Jimmy will throw his weight behind it. And that’s pretty considerable (his influence, that is).

    • Trish

      I’ll wait until Jimmy starts hiding from the camera. Until then, I will admit Jimmy has issues. I have issues.

  32. Scott Miller says:

    BTW, pretty much everything that Jack is writing about regarding cold therapy is in Tim Ferriss’ book, The 4-Hour Body. There’s a lot that makes sense about using cold foor healing (been known for decades), and for bodyfat loss (because your body must expend more energy to stay warm when surround by a colder medium). Tim explains it REALLY WELL in his book — in a way that actually is readable and makes sense.

  33. Basil Gravanis says:

    Welcome back, Richard… It was only a matter of time, though… really. In this case, don’t hate the (cold therapy) game, but be wary of the player’s player. A drink on me at AHS…
    Cheers.

  34. EatLessMoveMoore says:

    As I said, Jack = Kimmer 2.0.

  35. The Ghost and Dr Jack

  36. Monte says:

    So you know without a doubt that he wasn’t hacked and that is why you made this blog post right Richard?

    • Monte:

      Merely asking that question tells me you are simply ignorant of simple logic.

      Guess what? I don’t know without a doubt you _don’t_ molest little girls, or that you _don’t_ jerk off to fantasies about your mother.

      Jack, in this instance, is becoming like the drunk uncle, always getting into binds. He’s always the life of the party, fun, the kids love him and he always shows up with gifts. Then one day, someone is killed in a crosswalk, his car, he’s nowhere in sight.

      He claims his car was stolen and all of a sudden, it’s everyone’s job to prove it wasn’t.

  37. Leslie says:

    Love ya or hate ya, can never call into question your credibility and sincerity about whatever viewpoint you’ve taken. That’s rare and for that, Richard, you have my respect. Kruse has failed to appreciate a single lie can destroy a reputation and has thrown any respect I had for his work out with the bathwater (ice cold I might add!) Kruse has done a disservice to the reasonable and useful theories developed over his career. Sad. Sadder is the perception in the wider internet community that once again paleo has demonstrated a penchant for attracting kooks.

    Those who “know” you will stand by your integrity. Thanks for posting this.

  38. Brent says:

    Well, he fooled me. He really did. 100%. I actually spent a fair amount of time reading his blog because of that. Oh, well.

    A lot of surgeons are narcissists to the point of psychopathology, and it looks like we have another specimen.

    What a freak.

    I still want to learn more about how cold is working for you, Richard, and I’m glad you’re in touch with Ray Cronise on this. Him, I trust.

    In the meantime, I guess I needed to be reminded of this:

    http://imgur.com/Ed0Wa

  39. EatLessMoveMoore says:

    Hacked? Oh my freakin’ God. More “stuff” happens to this guy than any mere mortal could expect in a couple lifetimes.

  40. Whatever occasional random disagreement I have with you (not that it matters, I mean, who the fuck am I?), I’m glad I heard this from you and not from some of the dickheads who, I swear, make fun of him just to make fun of him, and not based on any actual substance they actually want to defend. And who, even if they did have substance upon which to condemn him and just were not expressing that very well, chose instead to act like fucking kindergarteners and set up a spoof Twitter account rather than a more professional web presence to take down his inaccuracies one by one by one. With copious footnotes and links. Like Wikipedia, only more accurate.

    I’m glad it was you. Not them.

    That said, there are things he’s offered that I think are valuable. I will have to do my own due diligence on whether one increases one’s total number of fat cells in becoming obese before I can decide for myself whether I give a shit about “cold thermogenesis.” But some other things he’s gone over, like the importance of vitamin K2, I appreciate.

    (And please tell me WHY the Paleo people are making the same fucking mistake the USDA has made, laying so much heavy emphasis on food groups and “what to avoid” rather than emphasizing the importance of foods we *know* further human health and efficient, successful reproduction. I’ve read some of Weston Price. I’m fed up with people who think you can dumb down nutrition that far *in the absence of living food traditions* and, with that, singlehandedly reverse hundreds of years’ worth of poor food choices exacerbated by the last century’s industrial food trend. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Quit treating us like idiots and tell us what we NEED to know. You can eat from each of the recommended food groups, no matter who is recommending which ones, and *still* not get what you need in your diet!)

    I’ll still dig around on his blog. I may not have a PhD but I can take those of his claims that make sense to me (based on what I’ve read elsewhere) and do my own researching. But now I know to be extra-careful.

    And I’ll still be disgusted at the Paleo movement in general. You wanna be about as relevant 20 years from now as the Pagan movement is today, y’all, just keep on the way you’re going. You can’t get people to listen to you if they all think you’re assholes. Which far nicer people than I am have been pointing out to you repeatedly, but oh no, you’ve got to play the kindergarten games, make friends with shrill crazy apologists for industrial food, ignore evidence that’s right in front of your eyeballs in favor of wishful thinking… Yeah, you’re human, but you know, there are *good* aspects of being human, so why for once can’t you play *those* up?

    Just wondering. Not really expecting a thoughtful, honest, coherent reply. Won’t be looking for one, either. Have fun, kids.

    • gallier2 says:

      Dana, thank you for that excellent comment.

    • “I’m glad it was you. Not them.”

      So blood stupid. “Them” were smart enough not to be taken in.

      • How comfortable for you, Sue, who has not a single email from people saying you saved their lives, as I have many–dozens.

        You get to sit in judgement of me.

        Isn’t is convenient for you?

        I don’t suppose you have to wonder whether I think you’re a totally worthless piece of dog shit who never took much of a risk in front of thousands of people in her pathetic life, do I?

        You would not have to wonder at all had you not posted stupid shit. Really, I make no admonition that anyone ought do what I do. But I’ll always do what I do and you couldn’t do it for a minute becaue you’re fucking pathetic, right? Or, you could just know your place.

    • Anna K. says:

      Dana, great post.
      my favorite: “You can’t get people to listen to you if they all think you’re assholes.”

  41. Txomin says:

    Considering the recent “bio-bomb” issue and the threat of legal action, it is either true that Kruse is the victim of some sort of attack or the man is not just stupid but literally losing his mind.

    Either way, he is going to need his friends precisely at a time when he is about to find out who his real friends are…

  42. Monte says:

    I call BULLSHIT. As in you are a fucking retard if you think he really posted that. It is so obviously trolling. Even “his” response to the pic in the post is out of character. “My upper T Spine has always been decent”? When in the hell has ever talked like that? He was so fat and out of shape that he tore his knee while standing up…. Apparently he started playing football since then. hahaha.

    Is everybody too fucking fried to think critically any more? You got half-wits using reverse image search as if that proves a damn thing. Then you got half-twits using the wayback machine, as if that proves a damn thing. And then you got shit for brains claiming that just because it came from his “personal” account then it must in fact, without a shadow of a doubt, be true. REALLY REALLY HIM.

    Is the internet still magical to some of you? MR. I CAN BUILD THE INTERNET IN ITS TOTALITY IN MY SLEEP NIKOLEY. You know how easy it is to hack into accounts? Pathetically easy. Guessing, Brute Force, Key Loggers, Rootkits, spoofing, phishing ETC ETC. This whole thing is one big pot of stinking TROLL STEW. It’s classic. As a former troll myself who has hacked accounts, shut down sites, and impersonated people I have to say GOOD JOB to whomever the troll is. Your a sick fuck and a loser but you know your craft well.

    • I don’t know if it is true, but if HE said through a another verifiable channel that his account got hacked, then that account did belong to him.

      I otherwise like your take on it though. :)

      • It would be interesting to know all about the actions of this Facebook user in the time frame – was posting in that group the only thing, or did he talk to friends on his wall etc? Useful information for some good old interweb detective work.

      • I noticed the facebook user also used excessive dots, like I’ve seen The Quilt do on PH. Nice detail by the impersonator in that case.

      • https://www.facebook.com/drjackkruse :
        Appears my account on FB has been hacked. I have notified FB and sent activity page to them for May 9th-11th. I was just made aware of this!

        I just posted the activity pic of my page. It appears someone using a windows machine and firefox browser was using my FB account last week. I just changed all settings……..notified FB and the authorities. I am sorry if this caused any problems but I am not totally aware of what has been posted since May 4th it appears.

        It appears it was done in several Paleo groups under my name. <– Really?

        https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3595966576591&set=a.3595966416587.52158312.1196274376&type=3&l=a679ead66d&theater

        I use safari and Mac Os not a Windows machine of Firefox. It appears from May 7th on I was hacked.

        AARon the damn pic is on my wall and I said in the pic two years ago it was a girls back to my buddy Brian. I would not use a pic that is one my wall for the world to see when I called it a joke. I am not that dumb. This was a deliberate attempt to make me look bad in that group and then they ran with it.

        Also, I could easily use Firebug to make it look like anyone logged on to my FB account. You can make a website look however you want. It's of course possible to fake the FB log itself by using a proxy and faking user agents/whatever.

    • Monte, the thing is, Kruse told the media when this all started that someone hacked his twitter account. But everyone knows that ShitKruseSays was a parody feed, not someone hacking Jack’s twitter account. But Jack went on various TV stations and claimed his twitter account was hacked because that made a better story. So why believe him this time?

      He has been non-stop lying – he tweeted that the FBI traced IP addresses to NY, Chicago, and Boston. He told one of the TV stations that the ringleader lady was from NY. He said that this “Lance” guy has been deposed by Jack’s civil attorney 5 days after the FBI opened their criminal investigation and that this suspect has been essentially cleared of all criminal offenses. He told the media that his twitter account had been hacked. And now he says his facebook account has been hacked. Why give such a pathological liar the benefit of the doubt?

    • Monte

      There was no need to use the way back machine. You can go to IPMG and seem the post yourself.

      Yea, I know, Jack’s car got stolen. Yet again.

      Everybody gets to be as stupid as they want to be. That level, and outrage level is different for eveyone.

      You know, I was told of lies going back 2-3 months by names you would recognize. But I didn’t know them myself. But I knew if it was true, one day I’d catch him myself and then I would know myself.

      I’m comfortable now, give all that and what I know now.

  43. Bill M says:

    Jack is full of it. He posted that picture himself in November 2010…..

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1568524531807&set=a.1493849144969.2069934.1196274376&type=1&theater

    • Monte says:

      Where the hell have you been? That pic was in fact, posted by Kruse. It was never claimed to be him at the time. He has addressed this already as well. Go look up context in the dictionary. The person saw the pic and then used tineye to find more references and repost with “evidence”. Oh golly the perfect crime. lol.

  44. Monte says:

    Also,

    It becomes apparent that the troll could have posted a pictured of POPEYE and some people would have still believed it was Kruse. People are idiots and that was the point the troll was trying to make. The image was so purposefully outrageously fictitious as to be utterly obvious satire.

    They wanted to prove that people will believe anything their “god-guru” tells them. And judging by the comments of praise shortly after the posting of the pic…the troll made its point. And now its getting even more jollies watching the aftermath. You really couldn’t have baked the troll a better cake Nikoley. Good job.

    • I’ve checked out his story/pics on his FB page, and Monte, I have to agree with you. Way to go Richard.

      • Monte and Mattew have replaced me as Jack’s most recent useful idiots.

        I’m sure you guys know where to take it from here.

        You have the deck.

      • Susan says:

        No, they are just seeing you for the back-bitting, sniveling brat you are. I knew this sort of thing was going to happen when you were posting about your experiments in CT.

        There are people observing all of this on the side lines who can read between the lines. Just so happenns Matthew and Monte got my attention and are speaking out to what they see is the truth.

        You couldn’t take the heat of making up your own mind and it appears to me that you gave into to the heat you endured from your paleo friends.

        You are the kind of friend no one needs.

      • “You couldn’t take the heat of making up your own mind”

        Thanks. That ought to give regular readers and commenters a good belly laugh.

      • Susan says:

        No, instead it should give you something to think about. You credit most of your readers for being what they are–mediocre at best. You showed your true colors and that you are credited for.

      • Monte says:

        What you’ve done here is sad.

        You’re really going to run with the crazy uncle gag? These are not a string of unrelated random “that’s-just-Jack-being-crazy” type events. This is a common string of events that fit a well defined pattern which went into action during the LLVLC. He is being systematically targeted. Is it really such an implausibility that after someone was willing to commit a felony (lance) that they would hack an account?

        If your planning to hack an account EVERYONE knows you turn off the ALARMS once your in. If I was going to hack an account the very first thing would be to turn off notifications. What, in my utter idiocy I presume, I fail to get is this: In light of the recent string of events (lance) how can the claim that he was hacked be such an utter absurdity to you?

        My guess is that it isn’t. You are frustrated with jack on things that we aren’t privy too. You did this to force his hand. Not matter the aftermath, everyone will forgive their favourite “god-guru”, apologies, handshakes, kisses on the cheek and most importantly blog hits will abound. Win win win I guess.

        I thought anarchy would be more romantic than that. But I guess I’m just a hopeless ideologue. The curtains are pulled and I have to wonder is all human nature really ALL human nature. I begin to doubt.

      • Human nature is always human nature, no ifs ands or buts. A long time ago, we did have anarchy: what we see today is one of the consequences of that anarchy. (This does not mean that all anarchy necessarily leads us to a place like this one.) If people seem too good (smart, capable, friendly, whatever) to be true, then they probably are. They are just apes in suits. They cannot help this. Don’t ask (or expect) of them more than they can realistically deliver.

        Personally, I am quite happy with all the good things I get from man. People have often pelted me with bananas (or liver!) when they could have thrown poop.

      • “Is it really such an implausibility that after someone was willing to commit a felony (lance) that they would hack an account?”

        You need to get out more and keep up wit the chain of events if you’re going to wade in and, in this case, waste everyone’s time. Jack claims to have deposed Lance, stating he was just an innocent concerned citizen who took the parody tweet seriously and did his civic duty.

        And yea, right. Hacker gets into Jack’s FB account and either turns off notifications or changes the email they go to, posts as Jack for a few days and then gives the account back to Jack, all without Jack detecting it.

        Um, OK.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        Jack was obviously not hacked. Let’s follow the logic here:

        -He claims that his original posting of the picture in November of 2010 was as a joke. In actuality, he made a joke after someone brought up a previous picture of a girl with big boobs that Jack had posted. The joke came AFTER the picture was posted. This was posted as Jack’s PROFILE picture in November of 2010.

        -If you look through Jack’s profile pictures, they are mostly of him, with a few hot GIRLS thrown in. No other muscular MALES. Why would Jack randomly post an image he found on a penis enlargement / sex tonic / bodybuilding website as his PROFILE picture without some commentary as to why he was posting it? It doesn’t fit with any of his other profile picture posts.

        -If you look through Jack’s other facebook posts that day, he posted at 10:03PM as a 100% legit post about a testimonial on his website. At 10:05PM he commented on his “hacked” picture. THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN HERE. It’s pretty obvious that Jack got on the internet around 10PM and made some posts, which included the muscular back picture post. There is almost no way this can’t be the case, because he would have been repeatedly notified by the red facebook globe that comments were popping up under a post he made.

        -Look at the “bongo59″ posts above. Jack, posting as bongo59, has a long secret history of lying about NFL drafts, lying about insider information about player health (which should be protected under HIPPAA if he was truly an NFL surgeon), etc.

        -Jack has stolen quotes from people from Steve Jobs to feminist gurus, and slightly altered them, then used those as his facebook profile updates for months now.

        -Jack lied about scientific facts all over the internet, mixed in with truths so that it’s hard to detect.

        -Jack absurdly lied about his lawyers having access to a 320 lb “Lance” who is a paleo outsider and innocent, maybe in order to divert attention away from the fact that his neurosurgery association suspended him FOR LYING UNDER OATH!!!! Google “john kruse AANS” for details.

        Common theme: narcissistic attention seeking pathological lier. Case closed, unless you are so attached to Jack that you feel compelled to believe lies and half truths.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        If you doubt that one man can lie that much, just join the Tennessee Titans forum and ask about “bongo59″. He’s notorious for outright lies, coverups, and half-truths, in all kinds of NFL forums (and Disney forums?!).

      • Monte says:

        Meh. This is all too much hyperbole for me. I don’t need it…WE don’t need it. Anything is possible and I think anyone can agree that is true. I don’t know what really happened. What I do know is that anything COULD have happened. I just don’t think Jack would post such an obvious stock photo as himself. Your on the other side of that isle. So be it. It doesn’t make either one of us any more or less idiotic.

        As far as cold therapy goes…. Jack introduced me to that (again) after my previous inadvertent success with it (working in a freezer 50h a week for a year). I eat lower carb paleo diet and do cold soaks daily in the cold tub with the help of my bad ass aquarium chiller.

        Onward, done.

      • “If people seem too good (smart, capable, friendly, whatever) to be true, then they probably are. They are just apes in suits. They cannot help this. Don’t ask (or expect) of them more than they can realistically deliver.”

        There is gold in that comment.

        See reality for what it is and suffering does not happen. I find the following fable to be at the core of my philosophy of life.

        Scorpion and the Fox
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu44zAcqnXg

        When People act out of character it is most often because I did not correctly see the character in the first place. That is on me.

        Thanks for the reminder.

      • Leigh says:

        @Jerry

        What does all this mean?

        Jack’s still an attention-seeking brain surgeon.

        It doesn’t take much rifling through the NFL forums to see at least as many people appreciated his posts as didn’t (sound familiar?). At least as many people thought he wasn’t making stuff up as did (sound familiar?). People who met him personally said his IRL personality was much better than his online (sound familiar?). Participating heartily, on topic, in discussions for years is not “trolling.” Anyone who continues to dwell on his use of any other kind of forum will continue to discredit any of his other arguments.

        What does matter?

        Did Jack lie about MRSA? Surgery? FBI leads? Phelps’ pool temp? Deposing “Lance”? We only have his word against the paleohackers. No evidence from anyone.

        Did he lie about science? I’ve never seen one solidly backed up claim. Only straw men based on either misunderstandings (who can blame folks for not bothering to read everything he wrote to get the context?) or spite.

        Did he lie under oath, or misspeak as is so common with expert witnesses, and get slapped b/c he’s trying to change the status quo? So far, we have no factual evidence either way.

        Did he lie to Richard about the biohack, or only withhold information?

        Does he have a pattern of lying, or just a pattern of ticking people off with a terrible writing style and narcissistic personality, so that they always assume he’s lying?

        That question is critical to whether one is inclined to believe he really thought he could fool people with a fake back shot, or whether one believes this is yet another attempt to discredit him, so soon on the heels of the previous one.

        Could be he’s a narcissistic pathologically lying neurosurgeon who’s right about a ton of stuff no one else ever threw together but should not be listened to by anyone with half a neuron. Or could be he’s just a narcissistic neurosurgeon who could really be helpful if he’d work on his nasty personality disorder.

        Time will tell.

      • Anna K. says:

        to Leigh:
        you are making good points.
        I’d go with “he’s just a narcissistic neurosurgeon who could really be helpful if he’d work on his nasty personality disorder.”
        There are lots of people who he has helped already.

      • Leigh says:

        Pardon the typos above and FWIW, I meant to throw out there that I have no red globe on FB, so far as I know, and recently FB has stopped sending me updates when people comment on my posts.

        I don’t know why, and it’s driving me crazy.

  45. Mary Jo Friedman says:

    Richard,

    Hi, I can understand why you might think what you think based on the information you may have been fed, but Dr. Kruse’s facebook page was hacked. The authorities will find out who did it, and in this great country of ours a person is innocent until proven guilty. Let the FBI do their thing before you pass any judgement. Imagine if this were you and someone was trying to ruin your reputation, you’d deserve the same.

    The success stories speak for themselves on his site. He’s about helping people get well and it goes way past cold therapy. He goes above and beyond in sharing his time and knowledge, and if you ever get a serious illness you’d be lucky to have him look over your labs.

    This is the work of a jealous troll or trolls. You need to consider that anyone who would go to the lengths to get Dr. Kruse taken off the Low-Carb cruise is capable of this as well…

    MJ

    • Mary Jo

      Sorry, but Jack’s gun with his fingerprints “shot the sherriff.” And, this is not a criminal proceeding.

      You don’t know that his FB account was hacked. I’d call it very, very unlikely for only some reasons I’ve already outlined, but I don’t expect you’ll care must about them.

      Everyone gets to be as stupid as they want to be, until they don’t want to be, anymore,

      • Mary Jo Friedman says:

        Richard you don’t know that it wasn’t. You are making major assumptions, about Jack and now about my intelligence. I’m not interested in PaleoblogaBS world. I’m only interested in being healthy and getting results. Jack’s work delivers on many levels. He is not wasting his time talking about other people. He spends his time helping people. In terms of intelligence, I am thinking that you may be much smarter than you portray yourself here. This is all very good for your blog business, isn’t it? Lots of controversy = lots of hits. That’s what I see.

      • Mary Jo

        You, like Monte, need to take a logic course. You can’t prove a negative.

        I’ve offered up the evidence I gathered. I know fully well that it still won’t be sufficient for many. And that’s fine. It’s enough for me. I’m not going to carry on a campaign against Jack. I will continue to promote CT but will be doing so from the perspective of Ray Cronise whith whom I’ve been in contact for quite a while, now.

        Jack is free to do as he pleases without any interference from me and unless something earth shattering happens, I expect and hope this will be my last post on Kruse.

      • Ladyofthecave says:

        hehe some evidence you gathered there Lola. I’m going to chalk this up to hit counts for you. Afterall, I’m posting here and that is rare.

        Seems like a good day to try this CT thing out I’ve been hearing so much about. Perhaps I’ll read the Kruse site while doing it. There seems to be information there. Unlike here which is like a room full of teenager! ick.

  46. Bullshit Detector says:

    I can see all through this JK bullshit. He probably had “something” to do with this recent Cruise ship incident and this FB post Richard is blogging about plus a lot more crapola. He is trying to make people feel bad for him. I say he is creating all this reality for himself. JK is crazy narcissistic and feeds off of the attention. Most of his FB posts are from fans who love his stuff. Those posts are probably made up too. Jesus people…can’t you see this guy doesn’t deserve any attention? I say we boycott JK (don’t feed the JK animal) and then watch him unravel. He is his worst enemy. He is BAD for Paleo/Primal period. BTW, cold therapy is not new…and not JK’s invention. Me thinks all that ice has frozen his brain.

  47. I think it’s safe to say that Jack Kruse’s idea of “truth” and the reality are a little skewed. An excerpt from Dr. Kurt Harris’ excellent comments on Carb Sane last week:

    “I imagine Jack showing up to defend himself here. He might say:

    “I have identified and cultured MRSA from a family member and injected it into my body prior to surgery.

    I had a surgery without anesthesia that I later had to “wake up” from.

    Sherpas live on the top of Mount Everest at 26,000 feet, where the partial pressure of oxygen is so low that brain damage occurs with passing each hour if you have no supplemental oxygen.

    Wim Hof climbed Mount Everest in shorts and ran a Marathon the next day.

    Michael Phelps trains in a pool at 50 F.

    Polar bears hibernate.

    When animals emerge from hibernation in a lean state, the fact that they have been totally without food is incidental to this.

    Cold thermogenesis actuates an “ancient pathway” that invalidates the results of all extant randomized controlled trials on humans.

    The discovery of cold exposure and its benefits is a completely novel insight that has wholly escaped the attention of those who live at northern latitudes, where people still actually freeze to death with some regularity.

    FIre and shelter are both older than the species Homo Sapiens, a species that managed to evolve a nearly hairless body habitus, but COLD has been the dominant selection pressure on H. Sapiens.

    The benefits of cold somehow have implications for the consumption of fruit in the winter.

    It is a federal crime to use someone else’s name in a twitter feed that contains actual statements they made, even thought it quite clear by the signatures on each tweet that they are not originating with me.

    Mixing in an obviously satirical tweet that says “the dynamite has been confiscated” (as in, there is no dynamite in my possession) is not only not obviously in jest to anyone with a brain, but is a federal crime punishable by 15-20 years in prison.

    A fake tweet that uses the word “biohack” which I use with regularity on my own blog and in numerous public statements to mean ” self-experiment”, now means “bioterrorist threat”, because they both contain the fragment “bio..”

    A person making a satirical tweet about me is facing federal charges if someone is stupid enough to think the tweet is real, even though the content of the tweet is substantially the same as public actions and statements made by me with regularity – including exposing health care workers to resistant bacteria and showing up at a conference wielding a fake stick of dynamite.

    I bear no personal responsibly in any of this, even though outrageous physiologically implausible claims and shocking stunts that carry a threat to public safety are my stock in trade to get attention…

    A person fooled by a satirical tweet referencing a “biohack” with legionnaires, and calling carnival cruise lines to warn them, is an innocent victim, but the owner of SJKS is responsible for the person making the phone call, whether their intent was malign or or not.

    The FBI has stated to numerous individuals that they have no interest in anyone associated with SJKS, other than if they know who called carnival. Despite this, I continue to claim that the FBI is “investigating” with the intent of “locking up” someone for a parody tweet on the internet.

    I claim that a blogger from new york who has been my critic is a person of interest to the FBI, but even though it is obvious to thousands of people that I mean Evelyn Kocur, and I copied and referenced posts made by her, I deny that I identified the person as her…

    I claim that in a mere 5 days, my private attorneys have managed to “get depositions” from witnesses. The FBI and my attorneys are in fact working together, as the FBI frequently uses private citizens to conduct its investigations. The FBI has been in frequent contact with me and tells me what they are doing as they do it. Because I am so reliable and so helpful to them….

    Why are you finding these “truths” so hard to handle????”

    That’s what I imagine Jack will say to us soon.

    PS. Lance, that’s a JOKE, man!”

    At what point are we going to stop believing anything this man says?

  48. John Sorrentino says:

    Way to keep it classy Richard. When you write a gospel or help half as many people as Jack, I may regain respect for you. Jack can evince the change. There is much for you to still learn.

    • “When you write a gospel or help half as many people as Jack, I may regain respect for you”

      Yah, like the guy who “cured” diabetes with a few spinal adjutments. I saw bullshit before, and that’s where it ends.

      Thing is, this is Richard’s viewpoint. He is distancing himself from Jack. (*About time. LAF) Why are you so pissed? You have no respect for Richard? That’s your perogative.

      There is still much for YOU to learn – people have opinions, and the right to express them. If Richard wants to call the guy a liar based on the evidence he presents, then so be it. Richard has “evinced” that the guy is full of shit. When you use “big words,” make sure you actually know what they mean.

      All I see from Jack is the same old bullshit – a 10 gallon hat with no cattle, so to speak. Richard has been burned by a liar, and is only calling him out.

      If you don’t respect him for that, then fuck it – WTF should he care if you respect him or not? Obviously you don’t respect yourself to think critically anyway.

  49. So we’re to believe he reposted a picture after 2 years, one in which he originally referred to the person in the picture as a “her”, then pretended it was him?

  50. You know what I don’t understand? How you could really believe that’s him posting this. When has he EVER claimed to do CT at 32 degrees sub zero? I’ll tell you when – NEVER. He may have experimented at low temps, but he has never claimed to do CT on that regular of a basis at anything less than 45.

    Am I right here, or did I miss something. If someone wishes to go back thru his blog and find a quote where he says he did CT at 32 degrees sub zero, then so be it – I’m wrong. Otherwise, you guys are just as dumb as all the rest of the haters. I’ve read all his blog posts and I don’t recall him ever saying that he practiced CT at anything less than 45 degrees.

    And has anyone noticed, even a little, that most of the people posting are women – there was ONE male comment – does THAT seem realistic to you considering how many follow him with interest and doubt? Only ONE male comment? REALLY?

    And furthermore, Dr. Kruse *DOESN’T EXERCISE* He has stressed this OVER AND OVER. Did you see him in the TED talk? This is obviously NOT him, and after seeing him, I have serious doubts that he would even TRY to pass himself off as this.

    Come ON people, use a little deductive reasoning for the time being. This is so OVER THE TOP, and I can’t even believe you would believe this-

    • Chloe says:

      Okay, Ann, I’ve got my deductive reasoning hat on.

      (1) In the post in question, Kruse doesn’t claim to have done CT in temperatures 32 degrees sub (i.e., below) zero. He claims to have done CT in 32 degree water (i.e., ice). This doesn’t seem too out of line with claims he has made in the past. After all, he recently said on his public FB page that he had fallen asleep for 16 hours in 140 lbs. of ice.

      (2) What does the gender of the commenters have to do with whether Kruse was hacked or not? Nothing, as far as I can tell. Seems irrelevant to me.

      (3) Jack claims that his FB account was hacked between May 9th and 11th, yes? Well, on the 12th, in an IPMG post, he claims that his workout for the day is “250 kettle ball swings with 108 pounds.” And he has claimed that he could bench press 150 lbs. more after one CT session than he could before. So it certainly seems like he’s doing some exercise.

      Jack Kruse is definitely so OVER THE TOP. That’s why it seems entirely plausible to me that he could have posted this ridiculous picture and figured he could get away with it.

      • Yes, Chloe, the post DOES claim that. Where “he” comments on the post. Did you even read it?

        The comments, most made by gushing women, seem out of character for who his usual audience is. That’s a huge tip-off for me, and completely relevant. He doesn’t draw “gushing” women – If you read his posts, and study his bloggers comments, you will see this for yourself. The whole thing is completely out of character for the group that follows him. This was done to insult him, obviously.

        I am NOT suggesting that everything he says is gospel, or that he’s not a flamboyant personality, OR that I believe completely in what he’s doing, but this has turned into a blatant example of classroom bullying by a bunch of ignorant children.

      • Chloe says:

        Ann,

        Of course I’ve read the post. That’s why I’m commenting here. I don’t think you’re understanding the distinction I’m making between “sub 32 degrees” (this means less than 32 degrees) and “32 degrees sub zero” (which means 32 degrees below zero). Those are very different temperatures. In the post in question, Jack is claiming to have done CT in the former, not the latter.

        What you seem to be saying is that a group of female posters deliberately fawned over this picture so as to mock Jack? So this is another conspiracy, but not perpetrated by Ivory Tower elitists? What about those “perpetrators” in NY, Boston, and Chicago? Are they behind this? A quick search of the IPMG site indicates that the women who responded to the post were regular posters in the group and didn’t just pop out of nowhere to “insult” Jack. The male poster is one of the administrators of the group. Was he also mocking Jack?

      • No, Chloe, what I’m saying is that this whole post was made up, and whomever did so made it look as if a lot of really stupid-sounding women were the only followers he had on that post.

        My point is really more about the fact that the people who follow Dr. Kruse are not a stupid group. They ask intelligent questions, make intelligent comments, and are generally not the “gushing female” type. In fact, I would posit that they are the farthest from that of just about any blog I’ve read. He’s a little heavy on the “big words” for that type I would suspect. And he’s certainly NOT a sex symbol – I refer you again to the video of his TED talk.

        Again, whether the temperature is 32 degrees or whatever (that distinction doesn’t matter a whit to my comment) I’m saying that the REAL Dr. Kruse has never claimed that he did CT at anything close to as cold as 32 degrees, whichever 32 degrees YOU are talking about. He has made it clear, repeatedly, as in EVERY blog post, that he prefers and practices CT at 45-50 degrees.

        Could he have experimented with colder temps? Sure, why not? But he has never claimed that he’s done an extended (as in the 8 months this phony post claims) CT at anything colder than 45-50 degrees.

        This whole thing is so full of holes I cannot believe anyone is giving this shit the time of day.

      • Chloe says:

        I feel like I have to address the temperature issue again. He has claimed repeatedly that he CTs in ice. Ice is 32 degrees. 32 degrees is colder than 45-50 degrees. So the CT claim in the post doesn’t strike me as all that strange for Jack.

        Your speculation that the whole post was made up doesn’t seem plausible to me. Jack is a narcissist. He makes implausible claims. He loves attention. And for reasons that defy my understanding, some people love lavishing it on him. So we’ll just have to wait for the proof that Jack’s FB account was hacked, much like we’ll have to wait for the FBI to publicly identify the perps behind the “bioterrorism threat.” I’m not holding my breath.

      • Well, at least we don’t have to wait for the FBI to clear him of the bioterrorism threat – he was cleared from the beginning, and invited back onto the cruise. I guess that puts the ball in the court of those who’ve been accused to clear themselves, which is what makes me think the same will happen with this phony FB post-

      • Monte says:

        Chloe.

        Why did you get your first point so blatantly wrong? His first comment says “sub 32″. Seeing what you want to see, reading what you want to read, reality be damned eh?

        Besides, “It was the best shape I was ever in before I started screwing around with biohacks”…. That is so not how he sounds. The whole thing is a biohack. The comment doesn’t even make any sense. It is pure satire by someone using keywords. I have to admit, most of you would suck as FBI profilers….lol.

        Regardless of the outcome of this current debacle ONE thing remains patently evident:

        Richard, YOURS AND JACKS posts and commentors confirm that most people really are lemmings. Look at how easily people accepted that fake pic as the real deal and now look how many easily accept your opinion as fact. Its the SAME kind of stupid on both sides and your the same kind of “god-guru” that you denounce. Because guess what? It isn’t up to you. You don’t appoint yourself to that position. Your followers do…and they have.

      • Chloe says:

        Monte,

        I guess I have to say this again because the concept of temperature seems to be causing a lot of confusion. I agree that Jack says that he CT’d in “sub 32 degrees.” This means he CT’d in ice. This doesn’t seem like a particularly outlandish claim, given that he has posted pictures of himself packed in ice before. Ann said that the post was implausible because Jack claimed to have done CT in “32 degrees sub zero.” “Below 32 degrees” does not equal “32 degrees below zero.”

        I’m curious if you thought that @s**tkrusesays was satire. I ask because it strikes me that people who thought that account was threatening bioterrorism suddenly have become exquisite satire detectors.

    • Paul C says:

      What would a neurosurgeon with poor spelling and grammar type in a post?

      “My upper T spine has always be decent”

      Seems very unlikely that a spoofer would even think to say upper T (upper thoracic).

      Men don’t usually post on how attractive other men are. Do you see that on other men’s pictures in that group? Just wondering.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        Exactly. Jack has never posted random pictures of muscular males anywhere on facebook.

        And he sure sounds like a spine surgeon saying “my upper T spine has always been decent”.

        Plus he has talked about how strong and ripped he was in the fall of 2010 elsewhere, and he absolutely loves football (see bongo59 posts earlier in these comments).

        But it’s pointless to debate whether it’s hypothetically possible that someone mimicked his voice. Because this is a proven liar (see lying under oath and getting suspended by the AANS) covering up his antics with more unbelievable lies. Kruse fans, understandably, must attempt to believe him and critique the “haters”.

  51. From the start paleo has been driven by a ‘everything everybody knows is wrong’ attitude. It’s no accident that libertarian politics is such a part of the movement as well. It’s great to challenge conventional wisdom and not just accept everything that comes down from on high because that’s how knowledge progresses, but the problem is that conventional wisdom generally holds up pretty well and experts actually are pretty smart people who aren’t generally missing simple and obvious counterpoints. You will lose a fair argument against conventional wisdom and the establish 99 times out of 100- that 1% is really important so are the challenges, but it’s also important to know when you’re done and move on.

    The paleo movement gets itself into trouble when it tries to define itself as being against conventional wisdom as much as an airplane company wouldn’t get far by defining itself against conventional engineering. The only way for the movement to take off is to build on a solid foundation and not reflexively gravitate toward people who say that everything you’ve ever heard is wrong.

    I was there in the beginning and fell hook line and sinker for Taubes Insulin hypothesis- but it turned out that it had been considered and found wanting by conventional scientists. Holding onto it with a vice grip just made me and the paleo community sound nutty to the medical world. Imagine how a Boeing engineer would react to you if you insisted that their wing designs don’t produce lift and they should change their designs at once!

    CT stuff is based on a grain of truth and real effects from cold exposure, but it’s been investigated and there’s a clear enough understanding in place to know that you can’t become immune to dangerous bacteria, increase your bench press by 150 pounds and live to 200 years old. Those are obvious lies, backed by nothing more than internet anecdotes. If you think those are believable please go to 30bananas and then explain why we shouldn’t believe all the wonderful things that happen to them, while Kruse’s site’s commenters are just sharing their real experiences. BTW- the leptin RX falls into this same category.

    Paleo’s value is in the message to eat real food, exercise more, sleep more and reduce stress, plus I think it’s also a great way of helping newbies start thinking about heath and fitness. There’s lots to explore in all those areas without trying to build up a new understanding of science and metabolism from scratch.

  52. Michael Pope says:

    Richard,
    You’ve got a set man although probably a little smaller after the soak. All this hand wringing over the “Paleo Movement” give me a break. The only Paleo movement worth having in a big well formed brown one in the bowel every morning! That’s what paleo is for. The extension of paleo ideas into evolutionary medicine and allied scientific thought will bring us all a little further down the road to health and well being. You keep it interesting, thanks.

  53. AKMan says:

    Jack posted this response to a question about the benefits of cold thermogenesis: “We need to develop this data because we dont have it…….I am speculating on it based upon what I have seen. That is not good enough to make generalizations yet. The only thing I can say is that CT helps destroy fatness and lowers inflammation to a great degree. ”

    I like where Jack is taking CT, leptin, and neuroplasticity in fighting obesity and increasing longevity. I tune out the detractors. He may be a bit eccentric, but he believes in what he is saying.

    I participate in his blog and have met a great many good people who aren’t necessarily fawning over Jack, but seriously interested in an alternate path to health that normal paleo doesn’t offer. I’m pretty open minded, but I would stick up for Jack over Patrik at Paleo Hacks any day.

    Richard, this blog was over the top, even for you.

  54. annie says:

    His fb was hacked, picture he posted earlier for a JOKE was lifted.
    Fake profile at IPMG created and joke pic reposted there from hacked fb with the sole intention of making him look bad.

    You were suckered. And you showed your true colors again…. Puce, bile green, and old- lady’s-underwear beige. Paleo Ugly…..don’t have to go ANY further than this blog right here.

    Good godzilla you’re an embarrassment. Maybe you oughta go on a juice fast and clean out.

    • “Fake profile at IPMG created and joke pic reposted there from hacked fb with the sole intention of making him look bad.”

      Bzzzzzzt. Wrong. In fact, I initially thought the pic so over the top I too suspected someone messing with him. I figured the simplest way to do that would be to create a Jack Kruse profile and use one of his pics for the profile pic. After all, there are lots of “Jack Kruse’s” on FB (I checked ever one in the search). I also noted the profile pic and account name were different than his Dr. Jack Kruse account.

      So I joined IPMG, searched the members, sure enough he was there. Click on his name, his personal FB comes up with all his own obvious public posts and a who’s who in Paleo list of FB friends. Presuming his post is still there on in IPMG you can go to it, click on his name and see for yourself.

      So yes, the easiest way to pull this off would have been to simply create a fake FB profile, join IPMG, hope the request gets approved and nobody realizes he’s already there and gets suspicious. But not what happened and even Jack is not claiming that. He’s claiming that somehow someone got into his personal FB account, posted in his name at IPMG, and Jack was none the wiser until I called him on that picture which, in retrospect with so many of his other “hyperbolic” claims seems right in character.

      • Ladyofthecave says:

        Good Godzilla (I like that, stealing!)

        Your tech sleuthing is about as good as your ability to have a cogent argument. One has to wonder why all the vitriol to this shenanigan. No way did you think Jack actually posted that trying to pass it off as a real pic of his back. As much of a paleo shit stirrer as you are, did you really do this for hit counts?

        Seriously, what is this really about?! I was enjoying watching your experience with CT – mebby you went too fast and you are suffering from some kind of estrogen dump. Your hystrionics say you need to take that way back machine to the 50’s to be jacked off by doc to cure that!

      • “No way did you think Jack actually posted that trying to pass it off as a real pic of his back.”

        In point of pretty obvious fact, I do. Literally thousands of others do too.

        That’s where you’re at.

        Now, you get to decide how stupid you want to be. I don’t know the answer to that question and it’s possible you don’t either. I only know for myself. Best wishes working it put, though. These things take time.

      • Susan says:

        Lady…you hit the nail on the head. After today, his credibility is down the hatch…zip….bye bye.

      • “Lady…you hit the nail on the head. After today, his credibility is down the hatch…zip….bye bye.”

        Laf. You keep giving regular readers and commenters belly laughs. Thanks for that. I’m outmatched.

      • Ladyofthecave says:

        I think for awhile, his credibility was hosting open conversation – and trying to look at all sides of the equation. Rants and cunt-fests aside, there has been presentation of topics and hosting of discourse.

        But if this rant was real – as in Richard you really think he’s posted that pic so his close friends think that was him, and well – this is what you keep saying, I’ll go with that. Then this regular reader is very disappointed in your ability to observe the world with a fresh eye.

        At least if it were to be sensational and get hits – one could chalk it up to just business. Sounds like you are keeping too many friends so close, you don’t see the wisdom in what your enemies see about you.

        Then it just makes this site another bitch fest instead of actual discourse. What a shame.

      • “for awhile”

        You people are so funny. Are you aware that in the last couple of months all comment records and all traffic records have been broken?

        You’re projecting. You’re done with my blog, if you were ever really here much. I get it. Out with the old, in with the new. Blogs are always a revolving door…only you have the same old smelly drunks like Sean, Nigel, marie—and now Kate—(sorry if I missed someone important!) hanging out in the lobby waiting for the next tray of free hors d’ oeuvres.

        We’re doing just fine over here.

      • Free horse dovers? I like bacon wrapped jalapenos. To die for.

      • I’ve had bacon wrapped shrimp (who hasn’t?), bacon wrapped dates (Greek restos do them the best), and stuffed hallies.

        Bacon wrapped hallies? Hot & savory, all in one. It sounds ver good to me.

      • They got lovely horse doovers and all I got was a lousy guest post? I want my money back, damnit!

      • Finally I get a just recompense, a link to buy a t-shirt ;)

      • And you deserve it!

      • It wasn’t a lousy guest post. I rather enjoyed it. ;)

      • He he, thanks Kim.

      • me too, Seans Blog is very enjoyable as well

      • marie says:

        And Sean’s important, don’t forget important! Well, takes one to know one, Obviously ;-)

  55. thernonaut says:

    Water turns to ice at around 32 degrees F.

    on
    11 February 2012 18:47: “Jack Kruse” posted on http://gettingstronger.org/2012/01/the-iceman/
    (#22 )

    “…I can spend now up to 18 hours packed in ice….”

    From Wikipedia re Wim Hof (aka The Iceman):
    “Hof holds eighteen world records including a world record for longest ice bath.[1] He broke his previous world record by staying for 1 hour, 13 minutes and 48 seconds immersed in ice at Guinness World Records 2008. The night before, he performed the feat on the Today Show.”

    • Water begins to freeze at 32 degrees. When you are calibrating a thermometer, you put it into a glass of water that is 1/2 ice, 1/2 water. You then set it for 32 degrees. As you can see, it is not actually frozen at that point, nor will it freeze instantly. A block of ice is actually much colder, as it needs to remain frozen – so you are looking at about closer to 20 or even lower.

  56. gallier2 says:

    Has anyone done a background check on Dr.Kruse? His industrial ties and such? Not to sound too conspiratory, but he could be a (pharma/health)-industry agent provocateur planted to discredit from the inside, a paleo/low-carb* movement which starts to be a threat to the bottom-line. It sounds a bit paranoid, but I’ve witnessed and read about weirder shit than that.

    * Yes, I still put paleo and low-carb together because even tuber-paleo is generally lower carb than the SAD.

    • gallier2 says:

      Ok, I saw Chloe’s post about his history in other “communities”. Forget about my comment above, it would be too elaborate for the troll he is.

    • How do you say *tinfoil hat* in French ;)

      • gallier2 says:

        ‘un chapeau en papier alu’ would be the literal translation which no-one would understand (cultural reference).

      • I’m probably the world biggest anti-conspiracist, Gallier. It’s interesting to speculate, but I think it’s much easier to try to discredit paleo/LC with conventional means. Plus it’s too easy for conspiracies to get leaked these days. It’s more like a mass of idiocy and apathy behind most (well all IMO) alleged conspiracies.

        Except for the conspiracy against libertarians and anarchists, that totally exists!

  57. Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa

    Richard I haven’t read the post yet but just want to thank you for making me laugh out loud at the kitchen table this morning with my cup of coffee.
    This is one of the greatest blog post titles of all time
    Hahahahahaaaaaa

    Ok reading now.
    Marc

  58. pieter d says:

    I already knew his intellectual integrity is not great, since he plagiarised a paleohacks comment of mine in a tweet (http://paleohacks.com/questions/73261/hack-dr-ozs-prehistoric-diet/73279#73279). Didn’t mind that much though, but thought of it to be stupid…

  59. The interesting part will be how some of his advice gets separated from the person. It’s easy to discount everything he’s said in the light of his dishonesty, but that’s not the right approach either. What if Hitler had discovered in 1940 that most grains are really not good for you?

    I hope that the proof or refutation of his claims will be undertaken and documented by some honest people and then the Kruse influence on those ideas can be discarded.

    And Richard, I won’t say I told you so. First, because I didn’t. But second because I hope you don’t change a thing. I hope you’ll extend trust at the risk of getting burned. Anyone can shut themselves down to new ideas and eliminate the risk of being wrong, but those people get smaller and more bitter as time goes by. Trust, validate, and roll with it if you’re wrong.

    • Like I always say, Bill, the only thing I can do about being wrong and stupid in the past is to stop being wrong and stupid going forward.

    • “What if Hitler had discovered in 1940 that most grains are really not good for you?”

      That already happened!

      Indirectly, though. The idea that chemical imbalances in the brain could be responsible for mental illness rather just Freudian repression was set back 50 years because it had been fairly big in Germany, which was basically 30 years ahead of the rest of the world in chemistry pre-WWII. Taubes mentions German dietary research that was ignored after WWII, oh wait, Taubes subscribes to CIH so everything he wrote is also completely discredited! Long live the lipid hypothesis!

    • “The interesting part will be how some of his advice gets separated from the person. It’s easy to discount everything he’s said in the light of his dishonesty, but that’s not the right approach either.”
      Bill, agree. I don’t like the personality of Kruse lately, but he introduced me to CT and helped many many people with his leptin reset as well. We need to separate the value from the personality.

  60. Narc Detector says:

    So you figured out Kruse is a giant narcissist? Congratulations and…duh! The hilarious irony is you are showing yourself to be an even bigger attention whore with this ridiculous traffic grabbing post. LMAO Kruse may be a narcissist but you are a nasty, petty individual who can’t stand someone else getting more attention – even if it is negative. Time to grow up and act like a real man. Or just keep entertaining us with your childish antics. Whatever.

    • Yea, uh, whatever.

      Nope, sure didn’t expect to “grab any attention” with this one. Just like all my posts. I do them because I like to hear myself type. …I wonder if they make “typing tones” for download.

      • Susan says:

        You are so full of shit. It makes me sick to my stomach to see you try to defend yourself. Strive for mediocre because that is the category in which or blog belongs.

      • Please, Susan, don’t get sick to your stomach and go away.

        We need more belly laughs. I’m dyin’ over here.

      • Susan, let me give you some tips on criticizing someone for being less than mediocre without coming across as being less than mediocre yourself:

        -My stomach churns in gushes of agony when you try to defend the indefensible

        -Please stop striving for the mediocre when your blog is obviously doing a wonderful job of fitting into the sub-par niche

        Hope these helpful tips make you a better concern troll in the future.

        Your Friend,

        Sean

      • Susan says:

        You should know a troll when you spot one….I guess.

      • … and you should know how to type, and use punctuation. I know.

      • Susan, speaking for myself, I will keep a much sharper eye out, thanks!

      • Susan says:

        yes, anal one.

      • I guess you should know, Susan.

  61. Yawn. Taking cold baths is fun, even if magic is not involved. I am honestly not that surprised that Kruse ends up being a liar. (Fish stories are fish stories, no matter what letters one puts after one’s name.) I was never committed to him being anything (and I remain aloof: Kruse gets no stones from me, but no trust either).

  62. Chris says:

    Dang, y’all. My thoughts on this whole thing: meh. I’m still a fan of the ‘try-it-yer-damn-self’ model. And obviously, some of what Jack is suggesting works. So he might be full of himself. What, a doctor, full of himself? Now everything he says is a lie! Or not. Richard, obviously you’re not endorsing EVERYTHING the guy says, and as you said yourself, everyone lies. There’s no need for anyone to say ‘I told you so’. Unless you were saying that Kruse never, ever lies about anything and is always honest. And after reading your blog for a while I would think that such worship if outside of your capabilities.

  63. Strange stuff.
    If it’s all true it’s really too bad.
    I know Jack Kruse has plenty of legit stuff to offer.

    What I wondered recently–and it’s a tiny thing–is why he kept calling Wim Hof Wil Hof on a podcast I listened to.
    He obviously knows who Wim Hof is, and that his name is Wim, not Wil–right?
    It’s a small thing, but it made me wonder where Jack’s head was at.

    PS I still appreciate his positive contributions.

  64. Paul C says:

    I’ve been fortunate enough to know two men who are extreme liars. Their lies have honed my BS detector to razor sharpness.

    Guy #1 claimed to be a Navy SEAL (did you know 300 men claim to be SEALs for every actual SEAL), was tall and handsome, smart, and extremely charming. He had to top every story you told. If you told a story about falling off a sled as a child, his was riding a piece of sheet metal 3 times faster than you then saving his friends life after a collision with a tree. He regularly committed insurance fraud. One of his main goals was figuring out how to turn his partial Army disability into a full disability, which he eventually achieved by shopping around for a doctor that would amputate his leg, and claming severe back pain and headaches. Some of the situations have a sinister side, such as letting his now ex-wife’s dog outside, never to be seen again (middle of winter in far northern climate, not likely).

    Guy #2 is a Walter Mitty character, morbidly obese, somewhat autistic I think, not charming at all, but must top every story and constantly places himself in exciting fictional scenarios. He has saved lives, participated is every extreme sport, and visits with random B-list celebrities (Screech, Mimi from the Drew Carey show, Weird Al, etc.). His stories too sometimes have a sinister side, such as claiming to have researched poisoning a former boss (arsenic looked the best, as he said it can mask as inflammation), and claiming to be stood up for a date only to find out the date had been brutally murdered (murder was true, date surely is BS).

    For a long time I tried to figure out why they were doing it, then realized the reason doesn’t matter, and may not even be definable. They are compelled to do it. Busting one story won’t stop them, as my Mittyesque acquaintance would say: “I really had you going there didn’t I”. For Kruse maybe this will be a new magical technique, where viewing false images of someone you believe in revs up metabolism.

    • JoshS says:

      Hey, I think I know those guys too! lol

      Srsly, I know a few guys exactly like that, I always wonder if they actually believe what they are saying or they know they are full of shit.

  65. Heather says:

    But what’s really great is that so many of us seemingly don’t mind wasting time name calling and taking sides.

    Who the fuck cares if someone else believes in Kruse or not? Make up your own minds and then seek resources or support that are in line with your beliefs if you feel you need to. All this bickering just detracts from the validity of the paleo movement, from the perspective of an outsider looking to see what it’s all about. We aren’t accomplishing a whole hell of a lot when so much energy goes into fighting amongst ourselves.

    This post was great, to read what Richard thought, felt, and experienced. But Everyone has an opinion one way or another and frankly that should be enough for them. Why the fuck does anyone need, or seek, approval for that? Get to work on something useful and stop bitching.

    • That’s right, Heather. Everyone gets to decide for themselves; heaven or hell, in their own go-cart.

      In view of comments so far, pretty much as expected, I’m going to be writing an addendum to the post later this morning to lay out the first two “strikes” that gave me pause as concerns Jack.

      I’ll drop a comment when the post is updated.

  66. Ok all, I still for the time being am friends with JK on his personal page. When he posted in IPMG, (yes I am one of the admin’s) I knew this was not his back. Impossible. We had a great energy going on that day with so many sharing great progress pics, and comfortable strangers posting some awesome body shots, that he decided to join in the fun. I don’t buy for one second his account was hacked. I posted this on Richards link to here after Jack posted his claim he was not on facebook on 5/9/12. YOU CAN’T LIE YOUR WAY OUT OF A LIE!! The picture has been removed (by Jack) and like Richard mentions, He would have gotten every notification, especially the “TAGGED” ones which he was tagged many times in that pic, so CRY ABOUT HACKING ALL YOU WANT…It just isn’t true.

    I’m wondering if the 10 posts and pictures posted on 5/9 on Dr. Kruse’s personal wall along with the other likes and comments made constitutes not being on FB?

    “On May 9th I was at this time I was not on FB at all.” – Jack Kruse

    I suppose those are all fake posts then. #confusedasfuck

    I too was like Richard and reserved my judgment on all of Kruse’s info till yesterday. I do see how many he has helped, and ultimately continues to help, but the fact of the matter remains. He is a liar, and seemingly a pathological one at that. I have made many friends in this awesome community through my blog and facebook page, and have made several more from Richard’s awesome come to IPMG post, and this one. Ultimately advancing the movement by having like minded folk who found this lifestyle however they did, that is what is gonna carry us forward. Stay tuned, I’m sure this isn’t the last we’ll hear of all this crap, but in a movement sense, JK is all but done. And beware of his cohort KC. That is the guy JK should be worried about!!

    Welcome to all who have joined the IPMG, and continued success in your journey’s…I posted this quote on my blog back in September.

    ‎”The only person who can be the Expert of you, IS YOU!! All the advice that anyone gives you must be questioned and tried out on you, by you, in order to make an informed decision to decide if that was RIGHT or WRONG for YOU!! No special schooling is necessary, you don’t need a college degree or a medical degree, or a nutritional degree to eat real food and see if it works or not. Self experimentation is the only way to truly know what works FOR YOU!!” – Tim Swart :-)

    • Ladyofthecave says:

      You too? This isn’t brain surgery! (harhar).

      Curiosity killed the cat, so I’m wondering – if someone had his long-in info, why couldn’t they log in for a few mins – make a fake post then log out? All while he is also logging in and out to teh internetz? Just a quick look around and it seems like his internet OCD is a bigger issue. Who as time to look at all that crap coming through for all the accounts. I miss all kinds of messages and posts all day long. I could easily overlook one from ME – and I am waaay smarter than Jack.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        THIS

        “On May 9th I was at this time I was not on FB at all.” – Jack Kruse

        I suppose those are all fake posts then. #confusedasfuck

        Jack was on facebook, making 100% legit posts, in the couple minutes before the picture was posted and the couple minutes after the picture was posted. There is no way in hell he didn’t post the picture.

        He posted the muscles picture originally as his PROFILE picture in November of 2010, amongst all his other profile pictures of himself. When someone commented that they prefer the big boobed girl pictures, Jack made a joke that the picture was of the big boobed girl’s back.

        Jack has talked many times about how he was in such good shape that fall, and has also talked about how he shuns cardio but is very strong. It is definitely him posting, and now he’s lying again to try to weasel his way out. The alternative scenario is totally unbelievable, that a Nashville-area hacker used his profile picture to post something yet Jack ignored all the facebook notifications which he never does (he almost always responds where he is tagged, especially in pictures). And his original PROFILE picture was just him browsing the internet for pictures of muscular male backs (??) and posting a random one from a penis enlargement / bodybuilding / whatever site, despite the fact that all his other profile pictures are either himself or hot girls.

        If you own Jack Kruse stock…sell now! Or Kevin Cottrell stock, for that matter.

      • BTW, one issue you might want to clear up is that of time of post. They say that at 7:02 pm on 5/9 he was being interviewed by media. While his post is tagged at 7:09, was that EST or some other timezone? IOW, does the group time tag posts based on the poster’s local time or is it a uniform time for all posters and if the latter, which TZ?

      • Yea, Carl.

        So a hacker gets in, quickly changes notifications, does his dirty work, changes back notifications and gets back out, and all of it goes undetected in an environment where Jack is telling people his identity has been stolen (which was another lie, because SKS was a legit Twitter account). And how about his credit cards?

        Just wait for that shoe to drop, as well as the one where he discoves software on his (Mac) computer that gave someone access to his Keychain.

    • Yea Tim

      I’m not FB friends so don’t have the stuff on his personal page from 5/9 he may have posted.

      You might want to screen clip it for posterity, before it all goes away.

      • Carl Lewis says:

        One thing that he can’t delete away is…

        “Jack Kruse MD suspended by neurosurgery board for lying under oath”
        http://www.aansneurosurgeon.org/210112/8/1210

        I bet he was glad for all the media hoopla last week, to cover this up. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on…shame on….

    • Tim:

      OK, in addition to the 10 posts & pics posted to Jack’s personal Facebook page on 5/9, I just counted 14 posts to the Dr. Jack Kruse fan page, or whatever they call it now. And he’s in comments too. Saw one at 6:49 pm too.

  67. “Who the fuck cares if someone else believes in Kruse or not? Make up your own minds and then seek resources or support that are in line with your beliefs if you feel you need to.”
    Thank you, Heather. A voice of reason. This has become a petty fest. Kruse has dug his own hole, Richard pointed it out….End of story. So many of you all don’t believe in a God, but so easily make gods out of Kruse, Sisson, Wolfe. Then bend over backwards to defend their asses. Find what works for you, and do it. I don’t think cavemen studied the effect of cold water on immunity building or weight loss…if Omega 6 was found in their food, whether to eat cheese or not….They did what worked for them to survive. What I see is another “works” based religion with many gods.

    I am thankful for people who have forged ahead and found what makes us healthier, and I do want to know what they say. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit in a bucket of ice because someone tells me too. Maybe that’s what warped Kruse’s brain. I dont think I’ll try it. The San Marcos River is a constant 72 degrees. I’ll do that.

    • Monte says:

      72 degrees? That’s downright warm you wuss. Seriously try it a bit cooler. Ray Cronise suggest 60 degrees which is awesome.

    • Heather says:

      My favorite bit of advice is, “Take what works for you and leave the rest.”

      It’s great to have access to so many opinions, theories, studies, articles, and experiments posted by such a wide variety of people. It enables us to use our critical thinking and analytical skills (at whatever level they may be..) to decide what we believe, what we utilise, and what we disregard.

      If someone wants to idolize a neurosurgeon, a former athlete, a blogger fond of four letter words, or a formerly obese guy who hosts a cruise every year, so be it. Let them. You’re still free to do your own thing and that’s all that should matter.

    • The Gods just keep piling up. Don’t confuse the God that created everything in 7 days with those who make reciepes

  68. I did Richard. I doubt however that it will. 5/9-5/11 have 30 posts total directly by him. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. There are folks I know still close to him and they tell me that all the info we have here isn’t the whole story, so again, I stand by my statements, have made them public, and until proven otherwise by JK, but the pile just keeps getting bigger to dig out from under.

  69. One thing I notice about icing my joints a couple of times a day, other than getting really fucking cold and not having to run the air conditioning, is I get a hell of an upper body pump out of it … if I ever get around to taking an “after” picture I’m going to ice my entire body first.

    Also imo the word cunt does not come up often enough in this thread.

  70. Ginastarke says:

    This is kind of relief for me. I admit I bought into JK because I gave the Leptin reset the 30 day try just like my higher carb paleo diet, and was floored when I lost 20 pounds in a month. I’m writing this right now with ice packs on because it’s relaxing and it makes the scale move instead of dealing with the daily urge to kick it across the bathroom floor.

    But his greatness vs mediocrity thing-that’s pretty harsh.
    No cheat days-ever. Hey I don’t miss junk food but the “one corn on the cob at the state fair “will shorten my life and telomeres? :(
    No fruit till goal weight….miss a berry season?
    Thanks for posting this and making me think before I shelled out hundreds for all the testing and consult. I should have smelled the snake oil. Live and Learn, more money for Leonard Cohen tickets
    :-) Now it’s off to the store to buy dome nighshade veggies! Salsa, how I’ve missed you!

  71. Ginastarke says:

    oops – i meant- some on that last sentence – anyone know where to get info on CT without Quilty?

    • Gina check ray’s blog. You will have to sign up (he does not spam you). He has a few articles there. He is more a proponent of cool not ice baths.

      http://hypothermics.com/home/

      Tim Ferriss has a good deal of non-extreme info in his book Four Hour Body.

      • And DOH!

        Becoming the Iceman by Wim Hoff and Justin Rosales
        http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Iceman-Wim-Hof/dp/1937600467/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337294221&sr=8-1

        The site for the book and such
        http://becomingtheiceman.com/about

        There are some vids with Justin talking about how to cold adapt on the youtubes. I suppose one could do research back to the source but what fun would that be.

        Now a word from out sponsor: “Cold I am with you always even unto the ends of the earth.” -Jesus H Christ.

      • Excellent, JS. I’m going to dig.

        What’s weird is that for me, the water bath is like exercise. I always hate going in at some level. But when I do, it’s totally dry to fully submerged in about a second. I never fuck around with slow torture.

        What I love is the way I am just getting less and less sensitive to cold, even in the house. I don’t mind 60ish at all, anymore.

        (how come when I typed ‘all’ on my iPad just now, it got corrected to AllMexicans?)

      • Jalapenos?

      • I have yet to do the long cold baths. Truthfully, any. Though, I keep my hotel rooms at 60-64. Maybe Ray Cronise’s style? It feels good. Probably because I do not foot the bill.

        I do use cold showers. However, I started those for psychological reasons. Much akin to the book Flinch. I have yet to ‘adapt’ and it still is my everyday test of self-honesty. Sometimes I stand and talk to the running shower water. Sometimes I get in. Either or, my timer tells me Pass or Fail. Even if none of the fat/inflamation/woo benefits were there the psychological one is.

        Seth Roberts did a bit on Cold Showers and mood a while back:
        http://blog.sethroberts.net/2010/12/03/cold-shower-report/

        I broke my foot in June of 2011 and packed on quite a bit of fat. I am adding the baths this June. I am not that excited. I will report the metrics.

        As to your autocorrect, perhaps it was testing your bias of our saucier friends?

      • Hallies.

      • Richard wrote: “What’s weird is that for me, the water bath is like exercise…..” That was one of Art DeVany’s two slogans from the 1990s: “cold is exercise”, “muscle is medicine”.

      • Keith, man!

        You have to drop by for coffee more often.

        I had a 2 hour conversation with Ray Cronise this afternoon (the TedMed guy who did the deal on cold for weight loss). We talked a good bit about how it’s kinda like a workout you are reluctant to start, but then you do and….

      • I just got off a 2 hr phonecon with Ray.

      • Did you make mention that neglecting his blog makes me very angry?

        Good convo I bet. Anything of import that you can linky link?

      • Well, It’s very interesting. Ray is pursuing his own research with lots of big name guys in tow, traveling a lot. Of course, I can’t speak to that as he gets to do that in time. Basically, he wanted to encourage me to blog in a manner of some links I’d sent him in email earlier from my blog. Coolest thing? While we talked a lot, whenever we got on the subject of those links, he shut it down. He wants me to blog more on certain topics, but without any leading influence from him because I guess he finds some challenge in some stuff he’s read.

        Science. Go figure.

  72. if anyone ever finds out what factor x is, could you post it here? i want to know what all the drama was about and i never did sign up for anything at the kruse site that i had to pay for.

    • I think I read that the BIG REVEAL will be this weekend.

      • but you have to pay and i am too cheap to do that except for paying to be a member of the devany site.

      • He’s got Geraldo Rivera lined up to break the story nationally

  73. I don’t think that Dr. JK is a Big Fucking Liar. I think that he’s simply having a manic episode.

    I can get a *bit* hypomanic at times (when I come out of a long period of depression, like since December 2011) so I recognise the signs, even though I’m not a qualified psychiatrist like Emily Deans.

    • Brian says:

      Do such manic episodes normally last for years? As Carl Lewis points out above, JK posted that photo as his profile pic in November 2010.

      • Maybe he wasn’t manic between then & now. Pfffft! Who knows?

        P.S. Mild hypomania is fun (for me, anyway). Take shed-loads of Vitamin D3, fish oil and magnesium. You may get to that fun place, too.

        P.P.S. Firefox spell-check suggested “nymphomania” :-D

    • Galina L. says:

      While being in the hypo stage, how much did you realize you were not the normal self? How much control do people have over their actions while in the maniac stage?

      • While I’m Hyperthymic/Hypomanic, I’m not really aware of it. Life seems just…..really FUN! Woo-hoo!

        After I’ve calmed down, I look back and think “Hmmm. That was interesting!” I don’t think that I’ve ever been manic or psychotic.

        Right now, I’m in a good mood.

  74. I just sat in a bucket of ice water.

    My back: http://i50.tinypic.com/nlwyg3.jpg

  75. “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar” -Sigmund Freud (or so they say)

    But regardless, what matters to me is the core intention behind one’s actions.

    Even if Richard is wrong, I have every reason to think that he genuinely believes he has good reasons to say what he is saying. And that he will rectify his statements in the future if he genuinely thinks he made a mistake. That’s more than enough for me.

    Keep it up Richard

  76. People desperately want gods and gurus. that folks are still trying to make CT into chuck Norris tears is a bit disappointing. Hormetic stressor, a tool.

    And yea, i think Jack could have been a profund force for good, and no FActor-X necessary. Darwinian Medicine runs circles around the conventional model…no need for mysticism.

    • Again, for the cheap seats….Robb is correct….People want to be hand delivered, certainty and comfort on a silver platter. KNOW THIS ABOUT THE MINDSCAPE!!!! It will change the way you think. The brain craves certainty and comfort, like a heroin addict craves opiates….

      Never a need for mysticism….Mysticism is for those wishing to sell you shit, and/or to manipulate your belief set – again to sell you something, whether it’s legal services, or car repair, or a silly belief in gods, or a political position, or their own selves…..

    • Robb,

      Does that mean I have to remove the shrine dedicated to you in my closet? Only kidding. Also, congratulations on the little one, she’s very cute.

      On Dr. Kruse,
      Well, he thinks he’s batman. His utility belt is full of bullshit though.

    • Barry Bliss says:

      That’s the thing.
      This guy has some really cool contributions to make.
      No need for lies.

      Jack, you are good enough as you truly are.

  77. most people don’t want gods and gurus. they want to feel better. they just don’t have the scientific background to judge when they are being lied to.

  78. 1stpost says:

    It’s really quite sad. I have also been following his protocol to some extent, with some successes. Was also seriously considering the $150 consultation. But his manner and hyperboles were always a put-off (as were his putting himself in the company of Einstein, Michaelangelo). It was while recently watching his TEDx talk video that I was completely turned off him – he came across as a complete narcissist.

    I think the sad part is that a lot of his protocol is hugely helpful to many. But now there is (for me) an ick factor associated with his advice.

  79. Has ANYONE ever checked the medical registry to see if Jack Kruse is a licensed, registered physician or surgeon?

    Has ANYONE visited his “clinic”? Does it exist?

  80. I’ve just updated the post with the following:

    Addendum (5/17/2012): Having looked at at all the comments so far and the other action here and there and around, seeing pretty much what I expected, I figured it was perhaps time to add a bit to the post about the first couple of times Jack made me doubt his sincerity. I brushed those two things off as “strike’s 1 & 2,” but it’s not as though, as some of Jack’s defenders attest, that I just went off half-cocked here.

    First of all, I talked to Jack by phone—basically a mini-interview—in advance of my first post about him and the controversy involving Leptin Reset and Cold Thermogenesis. I thought both protocols had merit and wanted to spread the word. I’d already seen his Tedx Talk and how he described having had surgery without general anesthesia, went home, had his wife and daughter pack him in ice, etc., etc. As I asked him about all of this over the phone he added that it was that night, January 9th, that I had spoken with him on the phone.

    Ever been in a conversation with someone and out of politeness, don’t call them on an inconsistency? Perhaps he’s mistaken. I didn’t actually know which specific evening I’d spoken with him and it’s 3 months later. So, maybe he’s mistaken about the day. Give it a pass.

    Now in retrospect, perhaps it was very important because, you see, for three months I had in mind that when I called, Jack was doing a major CT self experiment. I forget how many hours he said he was going to do, but:

    He said not one word about having surgery.
    He said not one word about injecting himself with bacteria.
    When I asked why he was doing this, he said, “chronic back pain.” He also said that his family had no idea he was doing this, that he had taken time off work to do it, had someone watching over him, and that he was eating during the experiment. So, the Tedx talk 3 months later is the first time I hear about the bacteria, surgery, and that his family was involved in the ice packing. Still, I didn’t not connect that with my previous conversation with him because there was essentially nothing about the stories that were the same. So when he claimed our conversation was that same night I should probably have not given it a pass, but I did.

    Next, during that same phone conversation in advance of my first post, he told me about his “Factor X” and I believe my response was along the lines of ‘huh, interesting.’ Later, in his podcast interview Abel James, that somehow gets translated into “Richard was totally blown away!” I think he even said it twice. Perhaps it would have been nitpick of me to bring it up then, but not so much now.

    Anyway, Jack initially had quite a lot of defenders in this comment thread coming in to complain, then explain how Jack’s Facebook account got hacked, etc. They appear to have been silenced, as it has been pointed out that while Jack says he was not on FB at all on May 9th (and was “hacked”), there’s 10 other posts from him on his personal FB page that people have screen clips of (in case they’ve been deleted to cover tracks), and there’s posts on his fan page as well, as well as interaction with commenters. In short, there’s a whole, while lot of reasons this simply was not a hack and essentially no reasons—without trying to explain how the planets orbit the earth—that it was.

    And there’s a whole lot more.

    Finally, as I’ve said to others in comments, I understand that everyone arrives at their own conclusions in their own time, and based on differing amounts of information. And that’s totally fine. I’m just saying that what I’ve found and have posted about is now plenty for me.

  81. Corey says:

    “great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, below average minds discuss people.”

    This shit is childish.

    • Oh great, a bromide.

      Tell you what, Corey, dumb fuck shits like yourself see wisdom in such package-deal, meaningless drivel.

      Great minds discuss everything relevant.

      Fuck off.

    • Corey,

      Show me a person who discusses “ideas” 100% of the time. Show me a person who discusses “people” 100% of the time.

      You can’t. People are complex and aren’t so easily classified. You cherry-picked a fucking stupid statement in order to communicate whatever idea was bouncing around in your head and it fell short.

      If you wish to indicate your disagreement with something or someone, do so. Don’t rely on stupid shit like that. There’s your unsolicited tip for the day. Speak your mind, son, and don’t vomit up somebody else’s shit.

      You popped up to post your asinine statement, now feel free to slink back into your shithole and stay there.

    • Johnny says:

      There’s lots of reasons that’s wrong, and for reasons discussed at length (for different names), there’s no reason to believe Eleanor Roosevelt knows shit about “great minds” .

  82. Well, he was useful for highlighting relevant chapters from 4 hour body. (Ferriss/Cronise on cold, Ferriss/Eades on “Slow Carb.”)

    Not that Kruse gave anyone else credit. It was all Divine Revelation.

    Sheesh.

    • What I got from Richard’s piece(s) on Kruse was an interest in Ray Cronise and Wim Hof, two people I might not have heard of otherwise who have some interesting ideas about dealing with cold.

  83. And I used to think those who accused him of calling in the threat to the cruise ship were insane.

    Not so sure, now.

  84. It’s kind of sad in a way because JK has a dynamic personality that could have been great for spreading the word about paleo. But he also has the dynamic personality that makes people drink “Kool-Aid” in weird jungle communes. I kept watching and waiting to see what would happen. A couple of weeks ago, I strained my back and cold water showers cured it almost instantly – something to this CT stuff, though I don’t think you have to immerse yourself in ice for it to work. Also, something in his info on leptin resistance perhaps. And the guy does post some damn good pictures of food from time to time. Too bad he didn’t stick to those things. But MRSA injections, Factor X (which never gets revealed), ridiculous consult fees, claims of miracle neurosurgeries on patients? Again, kind of sad, but definitely entertaining like a car wreck. Just can’t keep from gawking at the disaster. Best thing we could do I think is take what we can from his work and move on.

  85. http://blog.thenarcissistinyourlife.com/2012/05/06/narcissistic-gurus–malicious-venal-seductive.aspx

    “There were always narcissistic mentors who took full advantage of the pain and suffering of others. Many of these narcissists arrive on the scene with the highest credentials. Others create themselves out of their manic self beliefs of superiority and their abilities to influence and control prospective followers who become their victims. Most of the current society today accepts and even adulates these individuals. Superlative salesmen, they exact tremendous sums of money from individuals who are having serious problems. They have no expertise or understanding about serious psychological issues (nor do they care a whit). As a result they often cause incredible emotional and personal damage to their victims.

    Narcissistic gurus are gifted performers that persuade you to believe in the delusion that they are selling. They project tremendous psychic energy and pseudo passion that cause a group contagion nearing worship. These gurus extract enormous sums of money from corporations and individuals for their services.

    They cross over the personal boundaries of those who are the most desperate and have no support system. Helplessness and severe personal crisis combined with the victim’s ability to pay outrageous fees is the perfect equation for the narcissistic guru to step in and perform “his/her magic.”

    Once the individual has psychologically fused with the NG these individuals are counting the money coming into the coffers, keeping the victim on the string, using masterful manipulative techniques that include praise and intimidation plays. NGs escalate and enlarge their following by having their underlings sign up more prospective victims. Those who have been psychologically damaged are left in a state of confusion, fear and self-doubt. They often blame themselves, believing that they cannot achieve what the guru is demanding of them.

    Some victims of NGs reach a crisis and recognize that they can’t continue a pattern that is causing continued distress and psychological pain. They finally listen to their intuition which has been making many efforts to protect them. They research narcissistic personality disorders and realize that they have been victims. Holding the truth of the real nature of the NG they now move forward to sever the relationship and separate out as individuals. They can now be the authors of their own lives and are finally free to be themselves on every level. “

  86. Bedtime for Bongo says:

    A Zelig-like opportunist, smart enough to synthesize information and put himself in a position to inflate his income and ego. Not quite knowledgable to understand the limits to which he can use the internet as an excuse for his own fuckups, thankfully. I also have a sneaking suspicion that the “after” picture in one of his recent blog posts is actually his younger, pre-weight-gain self (not that he looks bad now or anything… aside from incredibly smarmy).

    I don’t trust anyone who’d be right at home leading a Large Group Awareness Training seminar. Fuck that rah-rah stuff. I love eating the way this community has led me to, but sincerely hope it gets back to the level-headed, science-based, non-dogmatic inquiry about what’s good for our human bodies, so I can tell my friends about it without embarrassment or reservation. And really, there’s only been one glaring personality steering it in the wrong direction. Glad to see the ship may get righted, though I’ll forever be disappointed by how many people allowed themselves to be conscripted by the Kraziness, and will even keep defending it, no doubt.

  87. AKMan says:

    I asked myself, “Am I better off since reading the stuff Jack put out there for free on Paleo Hacks, Mark’s Daily Apple, misc blogs, and his own blog?”

    Here’s what I got out of Jack Kruse for free:
    – A sound vitamin supplement plan
    – A method of using bloodwork and CT to manage my hypothyroidism
    – A method to reduce systemic inflammation with diet and CT that helped me get off of meds for high bp, high trigs, and gout
    – A knowledge of what labs are important
    – A vast resource of citations to study on virtually every aspect of health
    – A patchwork of inter-related health issues (The Quilt) to keep me grounded when my mind gets ahead of itself

    Here’s what it cost me:
    – Nothing

    Bottom Line: Thanks, Jack. I don’t care if you lied on Facebook, cheated on your taxes, ate a banana in January, or even if you made the whole bio-hack/MRSA thing up…that isn’t what I was looking at when I was reading your blog post on what to do when cancer hits.

    • Jedeye says:

      Hear, hear!

    • AKMan:

      You would not believe how damn sympathetic I am to that. I sensed a lot of good was going on in spite of all the KS (Kruseshit) which is what lured me to buck convention in the first place with support, but also with criticisms over his over the top Holy Grail hype. So, yea, Kruse’s lies and antics cost you not a thing, and you got a lot out of it.

      And good for you and I mean that. Doesn’t appear really to have cost Kruse either, so good for him too in that sense, to to all those who benefitted and paid Kruse back with what he seems to crave most (biggest, baddest assed attention). Cool.

      And, it must be said that I have yet to hear of anyone actually harmed directly or indirectly.

      …On the other hand, since you seem to have an absolutely firm grasp of what you’re in it for, are willing to put up with (your own level of outrage, as I put in my post), then extend that same courtesy to everyone else. As many have pointed out, there’s really nothing new Kruse has brought that isn’t otherwise out there.

      Let’s just point out the lies when they arise, let people, as you have done, decide for themselves.

      Sound like a fair deal?

      • Ladyofthecave says:

        I sensed a lot of good was going on here, in spite of all the Animalshit, which is what lured me to in the first place with support, but also with criticisms over his over the top “I’M THE ONLY REASONABLE VOICE ” hype.

      • Go fuck off, “Lady.”

      • Susan says:

        This is a response I would expect from you. Frustrated are we? To damn bad, live with the consequences of your actions. Again, you are a friend I could live without.

        You can live with the mediocre world you conjured up in your mind.

      • LadyoftheCave says:

        I didn’t read this directly, so I’m one-off quoting – but doesn’t Kruse say that is good for you? Can we interpret this as support for his methods?

        <—amused with herself.

      • Susan:

        We’re not friends. Ought I put a duh there?

        Go fuck off too. Eh?

        Now go report me to forums. I’m an asshole, a shithead. And I don’t give a runny shit or a wasted fuck what you do.

        Are we clear, yet, cunt?

      • You didn’t quote anything, one-off or, ….anything.

      • AKMan says:

        If Jack started charging me to read what he writes, I won’t read it. Same reason I never bought your book–or Sisson’s, Eade’s, Atkin’s–any of them. I’ve only bought one book “Becoming the Iceman”, and it was pretty good.

        I have found inconsistencies in Jack’s blog, sure, I’ve even read things that made me say, ‘BullShit”, but nothing that would piss me off to no end and make me rail against him.

        This is one of his earlier blogs. I have read this probably a dozen times and get something different from it each time. http://jackkruse.com/why-is-oprah-still-obese-leptin-part-3/

        Look at the amount of stuff he has written in the last 2 years–90% of it original thoughts. No other blogger has written as much with this depth of understanding. His blog will be studied for years and years.

        If all he’s after is accolades, I say “Kudos”. But don’t charge me.

      • AKMan says:

        Wanted to stick this in there, too.
        http://jackkruse.com/blog-index/

        Shoot the man, if you must, but not the message.

      • “Look at the amount of stuff he has written in the last 2 years–90% of it original thoughts. No other blogger has written as much with this depth of understanding. His blog will be studied for years and years.”

        “original” eh? Lots of people dispute that, with references. But like me, maybe you don’t get out much. For me, at least, it wasn’t because I had the urge to read Jack’s stuff over and over. In fact, I’ve read very little of it because it’s incoherent so often. I’ve posted this before,

        You are very, very welcome to your “God is gonna kill and torture you for eternity” fantasy in regard (that’s a metaphor for the non literary) to your undying adoration for Jack and how his words are Messianic and will be kibtzed over for years–nay, CENTURIES!

        Well, I gave you a reply I figured you might take to. Bit yea, I sometimes find that I toss pearls before swine.

        Happens a lot, and no worries.

      • LadyoftheCave says:

        whaaa? Who brought up a god?

      • Alright, “LadyoftheCave[s]” wishes to register as a dumbwit who didn’t learn about metaphor in…I dunno, when was it? I’m sure it was before about 4th grade.

        Would not “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” (Juian Jaynes) just blow her away then? maybe.

        http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicameral-Mind/dp/0618057072/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337320135&sr=8-1

        (Kate Ground: unrelated to the above shit sling, but you ought to check this out, because you’re smart enough—that last part is related to the above shit sling)

      • Ok, I’ll read it….looks like some laughing matter. Some weird shit, if you ask me, but I’ll bite. Need some vacation reading.

        Honestly? My brother was a schizophrenic. . He talked to Jesus. Who is to say Jesus didn’t talk back?

      • Yep – I link it to mental dysfunction as well.

      • Paleophil says:

        Richard wrote: “And, it must be said that I have yet to hear of anyone actually harmed directly or indirectly.”

        I suppose this might qualify as indirect harm, though it involved not following Jack Kruse’s instructions, so it wouldn’t seem fair to blame him, but it does suggest that some caution is in order when trying cold therapy:

        “When I woke up, something was wrong. I was in pain. About 15% of my body felt like it had been beaten with heavy sticks.

        The following day, every spot of my body covered by an ice pack was red and puffy. It looked like I’d been beaten with sticks. I had left the ice packs on my body far too long – to the point where I had (according to my ER doctor wife) first degree burns over 15% of my body.

        Oops.

        This is a real life situation where biohacking went wrong. It’s taken me weeks to recover and my last round of blood tests still show higher inflammation (C reactive protein or CRP) as a result. I also had to sleep 15% more to recover my energy. This is a major injury. It happened for several reasons:

        I didn’t bring a thermometer to measure my skin temperature.
        I didn’t have a compression shirt.
        I didn’t have a tub.
        I dozed a little with the ice packs still on me.
        Basically, I didn’t follow the protocol I meant to follow.”

        ~ Dave Asprey
        http://www.bulletproofexec.com/cold-thermogenesis-in-tibet-and-the-dangers-of-biohacking-made-real/

      • I saw that.

        I didn’t comment because, at least Dave owned up, and I think Dave is great. Been on his podcast, exchanged emails, had dinner with him, Patrick of PaleoHacks and Grace (dr BG, my bestest buddy)–‘and wives and friends.

        Dave owned up, and he’s a bio hacker himself, so he has no excuse and I’m sure he’d be the first to admit that.

        Not like a random reader.

        I do not recommend anything but spot treatment with ice. Go in cold water.

        Jack recommends this kind of stupid shit becaue it’s easier and he’ll get more people to follow along.

    • AKMan, I agree with you that Jack did a lot of good for a lot of people, that’s why it’s even more so disappointing that he is turning out to be a narcissistic lier. He could have done so much more if more people trusted him, but may be his ego got out of control, or whatever.. but the result is that sadly his great ideas will be discredited along with his not so great personality.

      And the most irritating of all is his constant talk about factor X without revealing it. He has build it up so much, he surely will disappoint. And even afte he reveals it to paying members, he is not going to reveal it to public.

      The smarter the person, the more disappointing is when they fall.

  88. brittany says:

    Good lord you are fantastic. You’ve got balls and that is so refreshing…

  89. This blog article is so reactionary. I would have laughed aloud, had I tripped over that facebook photo, intended or hacked. If I had the sort of exchange that you had with him in the past, I would have called him and laughed with him. I don’t actually trust your sensibilities. Last week you were posting about folks overreacting to things. This is so surprising.
    Is there a primal threat? I’m not being argumentative with the question… I just don’t understand. Who is the guy hurting? You seemed to be grounded.

    He isn’t charging any money for the blog. He’s a doc and kind enough to share his knowledge, helps us navigate our own health issues, and creates a sharing and positive environment for all of us. I like the truth and sarcastic humor. But I also like learning in depth. I like the measurable results on a glucometer. I like the sleep.

    Sometimes there is no right or wrong, just different. We all get taken to school sometimes, if we’re lucky.

    But no one needs to trust anyone on any level, right?

    • Ice:

      First, see this and my reply to him:

      http://freetheanimal.com/2012/05/dr-jack-kruse-neurosurgeon-is-a-big-fucking-liar.html#comment-135330

      “But no one needs to trust anyone on any level, right?”

      I trusted that he was going to do the right things from sometime in January when I began my dialog with him, to now.

      The problem is, Ice, he’s not the only guy out there. Lots of people out there, lots of different loyalties, biases, and so on and so even while AKMan has only himself to consider, I have a community and thousands of readers to consider. I have to hold up some modicum of professionalism, some standards, lines I won’t cross, like any business and my book (at $3.99) continues to do very well. It’s important to me that it continues to do so.

      The simple fact is I dealt with this in the post. Jack asked a lot of me and I was willing to give a lot to stick my neck out, trusting he’d do the right thing and not make me a party to bullshit that makes me look bad because i support him.

      Simple calculus, man.

      And nobody knows about the dozens of DM tweets to him admonishing him to just tone things down, focus on the good, and so on. I tried fucking hard with Jack.

      In the end, this is a blog, after all. Jack and everybody should understand that when it comes time to post something, it’s going to be the best I can do.

      • LadyoftheCave says:

        “The problem is, Ice, he’s not the only guy out there. Lots of people out there, lots of different loyalties, biases, and so on and so even while AKMan has only himself to consider, I have a community and thousands of readers to consider. I have to hold up some modicum of professionalism, some standards, lines I won’t cross, like any business and my book (at $3.99) continues to do very well. It’s important to me that it continues to do so.

        The simple fact is I dealt with this in the post. Jack asked a lot of me and I was willing to give a lot to stick my neck out, trusting he’d do the right thing and not make me a party to bullshit that makes me look bad because i support him.”

        That really makes sense. You had associated with him, and that made you look bad to the paleo folks that support you and dislike him. So, clearly, it was time to find a reason to make a classic FTA rant and he was a great target. Lucky for you that was just handed to you on a platter.

        I knew it had to be about you. You’re too smart to think that post was real. I have NFI if it was from Jack, just like you – I am not a party to the behind the scenes details. For something you are not a party to, you go on and on. Perhaps you guys are working together. That would explain a LOT.

        After your recent losses, I thought you were gonna go more political. But here we are back to Kruse by your own doing. Fascinating. I could be wrong, you very well could not have understood what was going on – in which case you have a major butthurt attitude for someone who spends so much time on the interwebs.

      • “Lucky for you that was just handed to you on a platter.”

        Oh, wasn’t that fucking lucky! I agree! I’d try to explain the bittersweet part of it, but I’m in pearls before swine rehab, y’see?

        “I knew it had to be about you”

        Oh, what a FUCKING REVELATION!!!! I have a blog, too. Did you notice at all? It’s all about me me me. Thing is, while it is all about me, it’s also about my friends & family, readers, fans, commenters…and what goes around comes around and you get what you give and life’s a circle and I’m selfish and you are too.

        And it’s about writing blog posts. Over 3,000 and counting. This is one of them. That’s for sure. And it’s _all_ about _me_. Yep. I love to write, so you’re right.

        “You’re too smart to think that post was real.”

        What, we’re into 3rd grade “reverse psychology,” now?

        How about this: You’re too fucking stupid, or fan, to have not concluded it’s not. Have you checked this out? Have you seen how the “he was hacked” sycophants from last night and this morning went the way of the wind once Tim from IPMG posted about all the Kruse FB posts minutes before and after the alleged hack (on both his personal and blog FB accounts)?

        “I thought you were gonna go more political.”

        Stay the fuck tuned, then.

    • “Sometimes there is no right or wrong, just different. We all get taken to school sometimes, if we’re lucky.”

      Sometimes relativity is right and sometimes it is wrong, or just different.

      Actually, relativity is always right as far as we can tell. While it is not at all clear what the optimum human diet is or what the optimum hormetic (via exercise, germ exposure, etc) stimulus is, it’s clear from a scientific standpoint that such a thing exists–even though it certainly varies from person to person.

      Yes, sometimes there’s no right or wrong, like when we want to measure the beauty of a sunset. Mostly, though, ‘No right or wrong’ is simply pretentious, ignorant, nihilistic bullshit.

      • Susan says:

        lol You just said a lot of nothing. Go figure troll

      • Ha! She just called Sean a troll. She is funny, Richard. I smell guest post! Laf.

      • Susan is a dime a dozen cunt moron. She doesn’t even have a clue of his huge comment capital. He has his own good blog, but he has always graced us–and I mean that very seriously–with his important wit, charm, insight and all manner of stuff a cunt like Susan has no clue about.

        (yea, time to go full cumt & cocksuker in this thread)

  90. Stern, Howard Stern says:

    I swear the women who post in this sewer of a blog must be all known as the biggest sluts in their respective towns. It’s a riot :)

    • Laf

      Hey, Howard. You and your own sluts are always welcome here. :)

      • Someone mention sluts? Hot damn! now we’re talking!

      • Dr Who says:

        I get an insight into Richard’s reader base: losers like Marc with no social life and certainly no female companionship. Now here’s the opportunity for loser Marc to fake brag about what a wonderful life he has. Go ahead, Marc. Everybody will believe you, honest.

      • Are you seriously direct that at me? If so I just don’t get it….You’re right I have no social life. I work hard, and spent time with my wife and child…And?

        How does one fake brag? My life is wonderful….I married the love of my life, have a wonderful son, run my own business; my own life. My body is a like a Greek fucking god and my mind is as sharp as…….hmmmm….well….my body is great!

        I sure do hope everyone believes me….after all why not?

        Sorry, for attempting to be a little silly between writing motions all fucking day long…..

        So grow a set of balls and a sense of humor….chill bro…life is gonna be ok for ya.

      • Marc

        Dr. Who? Just showed up and he’s very stealthy. So it’s ok.

        Personally, I can’t wait for the next 007 movie myself.

        Consider yourself privileged.

      • Or did he arrive in his Tardis?

      • Who is common…Who is a bore…..Who is everyday……Who is blah.

        You can easily, and always pick out the gems from the dirt…the gems shines…and the dirt…is well exactly that – dirt…

    • LadyoftheCave says:

      It’s a refreshing repreive from all the swinging dicks around these parts lately.

      • “It’s a refreshing repreive from all the swinging dicks around these parts lately.”

        You have not earned the right to talk of anything about “reprieve” or “lately.”

        You’re nobody. You never contribute to comments like so many others, and you think you can come in and disrespect their earned stock by talking about reprieves and latelys?

        Look, There are a good number of people here who put up. You don’t get to pretend like you’re one of them on a one-off day.

        You are always welcome to become one of them, though. We all call each other cunts now and then, or tell each other to fuck off.

        It’s so not Paleo, because Paleo is about the next ten steps or whatever else is whatever else people are looking to follow, I guess, but wouldn’t really know. We make our own way around here, stumbling through the dark, tripping over Sean.

  91. I would weigh in on the value of Jack Kruse’s contributions to human welfare but I could never make it through anything he has written, or even halfway through, had to give up after three or four paragraphs.

    His writing style makes me want to drive railroad spikes through my skull to end the pain. There are some pretty bad writers in the blogosphere but Jack Kruse takes the cake. Even his TWEETS are painful to read and they are limited to 140 characters.

  92. Ok Sean, You are right. I was being a pacifist. There is a best way to do things. There is a right or wrong. I was thinking this was a personality clash, kind of “do we paint the bedroom white or blue?” Or creative differences. I guess no one wants Paleo clarified to circadian. It is rigid. Circadian is circadian.

    Or what is this all really about?

    • Yes, there is a best way to do things (perhaps more correctly, to interpret things), like being able to use nested comments, or being able to write coherent sentences.

      I’m glad we can both agree that I am right.

      I’m a huge fan of rigid thinking, join with me and my herd of followers (actually you’d be the first) and you shall know true happiness.

    • ” It is rigid.”

      Love it that new posters are still pouring on give belly laughs to old posters of comments.

      You just painted yourself ignorant, Ice, in lots of eyes.

      You simply have no idea. You painted yourself ignorant.

  93. Corey says:

    “Great minds discuss everything relevant”

    I’ll have to look up what relevant means again. Seems like in this case it’s definition is: shit that only a paleo fuck would bother writing about.

    • “I’ll have to look up what relevant means again. Seems like in this case it’s definition is: shit that only a paleo fuck would bother writing about.”

      Clap clap clap. Trap.

      You rise…no, sink to the level of lower than Pearls before Swine, but since I’m unaware of how to describe that, I’ll have to go with the obvious.

      “only a paleo fuck.”

      Wasting your time isn’t the biggest sin, Corey. It’s the stupidest.

  94. Geoff says:

    So Kruse is going to attempt the “Anthony Weiner Defense”? Good luck with that.

    Attention grabbers (Kruse, DurianRider) will come and go, but I know you’ll be out there for a long time, Richard, doing what you do. I take comfort in that. Thanks so much for your authenticity.

    • Oh’ C’mon Geoff. You can feign fear of me, just for a second?

      Throw me a bone, mate.

      • Geoff says:

        Aren’t you bored by the feigning that’s already transpired in the comments to this post?

        As for the bone, the line is: “O.K., people you have to tell me these things, alright? I’ve been frozen for thirty years, O.K. Throw me a frickin’ bone here. I’m the boss.”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-PIidaqCyU

      • Well I don’t know if it’s fear being feigned or not. Some seem to think that giving someone the benefit of the doubt by your own standards, give them a chance contra what seems to be the prevailing wisdom, and then dumping them once your own standards have been breached somehow equals a loss of credibility yada yada.

      • It begs the question of these people, would you have been more “credible” if you came to the realization that JK is a fucking liar, and said nothing?

        Never underestimate the powers of denial and self-delusion.

  95. Dr Who says:

    Are Richard’s readers actually the most gullible douchebags on the planet?

    Richard was the biggest defender and ally of the popular Kruse. But now that Kruse is in disfavor, Richard suddenly NOW decides to post that Kruse is a liar. When Richard is in danger of being dragged down along with Kruse, then Richard suddenly turns on Kruse, and the gullible readers thank Richard for being ‘honest’.

  96. I am not going to go against all of the naysayers but I must say that I think you’re post is ridiculous as well as your addendum and people will agree to disagree. People who have no reason to be hacked have easily been hacked on FB and other places (my Mom being one of them who was signed into her FB and someone else was signed in many states away and once another country away at the same time and there would be no reason to hack her). You can be signed into a FB account at the same time as some hacker doing whatever malicious thing they are doing or just getting their kicks. I will never understand the why’s as it seems to me that all of the people in the paleosphere are either trying to get healthy themselves or helping others get healthy. Dr. Jack Kruse is making a difference. He is making waves because everyone doesn’t agree with his methods but he’s not hurting anyone and only trying to help. Maybe some other bloggers are trying to get more popular with their anti-Jack posts since I can’t imagine another reason. I know you have plenty of followers but I will no longer be one of them since I’ve got no room in my life or reading for the negativity of the posts or comments and will invest my time and energy somewhere worth it!

    • Christi

      Everybody gets to be as stupid as they want to be, and everyone reaches their own level of outrage.

      It’s ok if you’re more stupid than I, not as outraged.

  97. zackness says:

    Richard, you are way too dumb to know that Wolf looks down on you, right? You’re too dumb to know that he’ll eventually give you the same treatment that he recently gave Kruse?

    • Zackness:

      Why not ask Robb yourself? Want his email?

    • Andrew says:

      I’ve got news for you, Zackness: secretly, everybody looks down on everybody.

      • “secretly, everybody looks down on everybody.”

        Ha, Andrew’s an existentialist, just like me.

        That is so true. Even as I’m congratulating you on the insightfulness of that comment, Andrew, in my heart, I know I could have done better. :)

  98. Jay Jay says:

    Kinda ironic, but to me, his CT stuff didn’t pass the sniff test, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt on his hacking excuse. For now.

    Like you say Richard, to each his own.

    This is how it should be.

    • “Kinda ironic, but to me, his CT stuff didn’t pass the sniff test,”

      I’ll say this.

      His pack yourself in raw ice, not in water, is dangerous and total bullshit. If you want CT, get in cold water. 80 and below is good enough. I think the 50-60 range is best and there’s no danger of local skin trauma.

      • Jay Jay says:

        I’m glad you clarified that because the ice stuff is what I was thinking about. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.

        I can’t see anything bad coming out of a soak in cool water. From a Paleo perspective, it just makes sense that our ancestors experienced that from time to time.

      • Back when I had access to the gym with the 40-sumthin’ cold plunge I’d go in for a few minutes after a workout, sauna, steam and jacuzzi, I imagined a hunter who’d just worked and sweated for hours to get his kill in the spring, and there was a glacial runoff creek or river, and what do you think he might do?

  99. Galina L. says:

    There, there, guys, Dr.Kruse doesn’t exactly try to look like a balanced or reasonable person, may be I am wrong, but I consider it to be some form of honesty. When somebody who is not stupid generously demonstrates number of red flags, it could be taken as a form of warning. There is sure something in his personality that unables him to be carried away like an autumn leaf by forces of nature. May guess, he is aware of it but can’t help himself and learned to live with himself. I doubt any one would want to be in his shoes in a nearest future, but I am not a prophet , even not somebody like Dr. Emily Dean.

    • Alright Galina, taking up your line, OK. I could live with it if for one thing.

      “Damn, you caught me again. I’ll try harder next time.”

      If he really made his antics a game rather than deny it, I might even become a fan.

      • Galina L. says:

        I just think he is not mentally healthy. I see it as the most reasonable explanation for his behavior . Nigel is right, it looks like a maniac episode. There were actual doctors on the LC cruise, and it is a pity they did not get a chance to observe him more closely.

  100. It looks like JK deleted his Facebook page:

    https://www.facebook.com/drjackkruse

    Correction, those horrible trolls/haters deleted his page. How convenient!

  101. Lauren Grosz says:

    Jack has other pics like this on fb. He’s clear that they’re not pics of him. I can’t recall this one specifically, but I absolutely would have noticed if he was saying this was him and the others weren’t.

    • My fucking god, how many sycophants who won’t quit do we have to go through here? Check the comments. The other sycophants have given up already, Lauren.

      It was him, he did post it. He meant it to represent him.

      But, the good news is that you still get to be as stupid as you want to be.

      • Ladyofthecave says:

        Haven’t looked at the numbers lately, but probably a few less than you have on your roster.

      • Lauren Grosz says:

        Richard, I’m not a sycophant or Jack worshiper. I was simply sharing a recollection. I didn’t have time to read the thread carefully as I was in the midst of working. I tossed what I’d remembered into the ring. From the tone of what I wrote I’m clearly not flattering him. Sycophant doesn’t apply here. Tighten it up and fuck off.

      • Ok Lauren

        I’ll take that.

  102. “Today is the last day of 2011 and I have written over 60,ooo words for the new book that I agreed to write with Mark Sisson since 12/23/2011.”

    – Kruse

    Has Mark announced when this book will be available?

    “I am going to use a thought experiment beginning tomorrow in the AM in the hot tub as I wait for the sunrise to hit 2012 for the first time. I am going to think about miracles and creativity.”

    – Kruse

    The hot tub?

  103. This is getting dull. Get on with it.

    • Fuck off, Andy.

      I mean, if we’re boring you, or anything.

      But if you mean I owe you something. Well, then _go_ fuck off.

      I fucking hate morons. Sorry. Totally impatient.

      • Yes, but the burning question is: how do you feel about marroons?

      • Sure, I mean the comments are boring me.

        But on a more serious note, I checked out JKs blog after reading this post and decided that people who have their own face as their website icon cannot be trusted.

      • Gee, Andy.

        I’d have taken a ‘fuck off yourself’ from you over that. Good show, Mr high road. :)

  104. Chloe says:

    On 4/2/12, Kurt Harris posted this on Carbsane’s wall:

    “I am authorized by Mark himself to tell you that the relationship between Kruse and SIsson was terminated immediately by Mark upon submission of the first draft, which as you can guess was basically totally loony nonsense.”

    It seems like Kruse is still planning to publish the book, but I don’t know who is releasing it (maybe he’s self-publishing?).

    Not sure about the hot tub thing. I think Kruse would say that he just filled it with cold water/ice.

    P.S. Look here for further evidence that Kruse was bongo59: http://abstracts.neurosurgeon.org/view.php?id=1638

    • Chloe, that is some excellent Internet detective work. Impressive! That really brings it all home I think, with the email plastered there. I can’t imagine how it must feel to be in Dr. Kruse’s shoes right now. What a mess…

      • Chloe says:

        On Kruse’s most recent blog, a reader, “V”, asked him if he was bongo59. He responded, “@V ??? no I am Jack. I cant control what others say or do V. I can only worry about what I can control. I help people. The people I have assisted know my character and concerns for them are real.” I realize that admitting that he was a troll on football forums would probably be embarrassing. But I think evading simple questions is probably more damaging, especially in light of all the other half-truths, exaggerations, and outright lies he’s been accused of.

      • Scroll down to Jack Kruse in this document and check out the email address:

        http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/neurosurgery/docs/kline_symposium_participants.pdf

        And here where “Bongo59″ gives out his email address:

        http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?/topic/148875-any-jets-fans-wathing-this/page__st__25

      • “Dr. Jack Kruse

        February 27.

        The greatest advantage of speaking the truth is that you don’t have to remember what you said…….so stop pretending to be someone your not today and show the world the real you………because if your pretend you’re just wasting of the great person you were born to be”

      • Chloe says:

        Nice find, VW. The irony kills me.

    • Ooh, ouch.

      Final nail, meet coffin. Coffin, meet final.

    • Scroll down and check out what Kruse’s email is in this document:

      http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/neurosurgery/docs/kline_symposium_participants.pdf

      • Hello! It’s obvious that someone has been hacking his Bongo_59 email address and screen name for years and years without his knowledge. Probably the Paleo Elitists. <–sarcasm (for the newbie cunts)

      • Chloe says:

        I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Kruse continues to deny that he was Bongo59. He was called out on his real identity several times on the football forums but never, as far as I can tell, admitted who he was. Sometimes he claimed to be Jack Kruse’s father, not Jack himself:

        Other forum member: “It wasn’t because people didn’t want dirt, its because the Titans wouldn’t endorse LIES propagated by… who are you again… Jack?”
        Bongo59: “Jack is my son. Thanks for asking. You embody what is wrong over there in my opinion . . .”
        Other forum member: “Take it up with the Titans, Dr. Jack Kruse” (http://bit.ly/KlCUbs)

        Sometimes he claimed he wasn’t a doctor:

        “and im not a doc…………i just play one on the net” (http://bit.ly/JCpwpW)

        Other times he bragged about being a neurosurgeon:

        “OK lets make a bet…..if i prove i am a brain surgeon you agree to leave this site for ever…….we’ll let big kahuna be the judge????????interested????? I’d love to call your bet!!!!!” (http://bit.ly/JCpL4j)

      • Bedtime for Bongo says:

        My question is, does he have a macro set up that spits out all those extended ellipses? Because inputting them manually between every thought seems like hard work.

      • Chloe says:

        A good question, Bedtime for Bongo. To be fair, I’m pretty sure his ellipses were even longer back then than they are now. Probably because he was less optimal at the time.

      • It’s the CT

        I have noted a marked decrease in the use of punctuation in general

      • Chloe says:

        Maybe too much CT will make you start talking like Jack . . . fighting dogma with epic biohacks from 30,000 foot optics blah blah blah. You better be careful with those cold baths.

  105. Colintendo says:

    Long time subscriber. First time commenter.
    Whenever confused, Richard, whatever you say somehow keeps me grounded.

  106. David B says:

    I just want to announce that I am conducting the ultimate biohack tomorrow. I have theorized that spicy Bloody Marys actually prevent air-sickness. I will let you know late tomorrow morning when my plane lands.

  107. Oh, I want to know. I am flying next week.

  108. I hesitate to comment Richard, since I don’t always see eye-to-eye with you. But I’ve been kinda hanging back and observing all of this with mild interest. I certainly didn’t think last week that I would be typing this now. I apologize for the length in advance.

    I may be wrong about this—as I do read a lot on Paleo stuff but I can’t possibly read everything—but as far as I can tell, you may be the first Paleo rep to actually outline what your problems with JK are. For this whole time, all I’ve seen are people going for character assassination without putting up anything substantive against JK.

    People called him “woo” and crazy. On PaleoHacks there was talk of his grand claims and plagiarism, but not enough to hang a hat on. You’d have to be a serious internet sleuth to put the whole thing together into anything resembling a comprehensive profile of a person. There’s been something simmering beneath the surface but no one wanted to put themselves out there and take the heat of actually calling JK out on his shit. I followed the parody Twitter account, which was mildly amusing, but I realized after the call to Carnival was made that this was starting to smack of bullying. I say this as someone who was bullied for most of high school. Thank gawd I’m not in high school now, because I can just imagine a fake Twitter account being made about me and whatever rumor of the week was floating around. It simply wasn’t the best way to go about this.

    I have never jived with JK’s schtick. My suspicions were confirmed when I saw him at PaleoFX. Before PFX, I maintained for a long time that his presence didn’t bother me and it was easy to ignore him. While there, I noticed that many of the other Paleo personalities wouldn’t really interact with him and some would Tweet passive-aggressively from the sidelines, but not a one would ask him challenging questions at the end of his talks or give any resistance whatsoever. Melissa McEwen mentioned on PaleoHacks that a statement from these folks was forthcoming but I haven’t heard of it since. It’s clear that something is required now.

    As for the whole brouhaha of the last few weeks, I’m not sure who I’m more embarrassed for: JK or the pack who waited on the sidelines for the tiniest scrap of evidence to discredit him. The dogpile that happened in the wake of the cruise-that-never-was sure forced the hands of a lot of people, and I can say that Paleo is filled with folks who clearly don’t have enough substance going on in their own lives, otherwise they wouldn’t feel the need to insert themselves into a drama in which they didn’t belong. (You, dear sir, may be a member of that group too. We all are, to some degree.) The hysterical Tweets flying around provided quite the ab workout.

    Why wait for tiny scraps of fuck-ups when he’s offering us a buffet? All someone needed to do was outline it. Put it out there in black and white, rather than backbite from the sidelines. With facts, of which there appear to be many. But no, everyone resorted to the path of least resistance.

    So thank you for finally putting it out there. Your addendum was helpful in connecting some dots. And hopefully others will feel emboldened enough to follow.

    • Thank you Karen. I still don’t regret having given Jack a shot and like Wolf (and even Roy Cronise as I learned yesterday in a phone call with him) I tried my best to help him tone it down, reign in his shit because all can be forgiven if you’re doing the right thing and yada yada.

      But he would hear none of it. He had to be the Key Master and that was it. Perhaps he still will be, and that’s fine, but at least the truth as I have discovered and layer it out there is now out there.

      Incidentally, my addendum sparked some interesting email exchanges. I would expect it to be revealed in some time that there actually was no surgery, no MRSA. I don’t know that, but it is a huge suspicion for various reasons.

    • Katherine says:

      Karen, you might want to re-read the epic paleohacks thread. It was extremely detailed with solid, valid criticisms that go far beyond ad hominem attacks. Same with Melissa’s blog posts. Of course, Richard added helpful perspective due to the personal phone calls between he and Kruse.

      I’m *extremely* pleased Richard was willing to publicly state his new perspective, however uncomfortable in might have been but also admire the fortitude of those who have consistently voiced their criticisms of Kruse’s wacky behavior and claims in spite of the *great deal* of resistance they faced from most of the paleo community.

  109. Joseph Fetz says:

    Well, Richard, I won’t say that I told you so or anything like that, because I didn’t really. I honestly don’t know much about the guy other than what’s been posted here and the little bit of research that I did as a result. However, I did say that I thought that he was completely full of shit when he said that he immersed himself in 40º water for 4 hours (or whatever it was). I didn’t make this statement because of differences in opinion or physical limits, I made this statement because I know that it is physiologically impossible for a human to do so without physical injury or death.

    With most people, I will assume that they will tell little white lies every now and then, or omit things. This is somewhat natural to humans. However, the average person will only tell an outright lie when there is fear of horrible consequences if one should find out the truth, and even then the person telling the lie feels guilty for doing so. These type of lies I can discount on a case by case basis, depending upon the context and reasoning, as well as how much the person making such lie means to me. To be clear, this is still frowned upon and held against the person for a time. However, the lie that Dr. Kruse made about CT was quite a large lie, one that could affect many people (if they trust him), and one that really had no reasoning to support it (i.e. no reasoning for the lie itself except for self-inflation). The fact that somebody could make such a large lie, one that really serves no real underlying purpose, tells me that such a person doesn’t necessarily have moral qualms about lying in general.

    Most people will only lie out of self-preservation, and even then they will feel moral disgust in their actions. The fact that Kruse lied only to inflate his own image tells me that he has a totally different world view altogether, that his morality and view of others is radically different than my own, and that the only thing limiting his lying is the whims of his ego, thus he will lie again (and again). I’m not a satanist, but Anton LeVey had a very good term for this type of person: psychic vampire.

    Granted, I do not know the man and I may be wrong, but this was my first impression of him based upon that one lie.

  110. jofjltncb6 says:

    Are there really that many new people or is it a few new people posing as more than a few?

    At first, I thought it would be interesting with all the new comments to read through, but quickly concluded that they were all saying the same thing, or actually, weren’t saying anything at all.

    Meh, I’m sure they’ll disappear as quickly as they appeared.

    • jofjltncb6:

      “Are there really that many new people or is it a few new people posing as more than a few?”

      Well, since your comment is totally out of line, by which I mean not in line, by which I mean not nested, I’ll have to guess what you’re talking about, Maroon. :)

      Maybe you’re referring to me saying something about the surge of sycophants. I have a pretty good handle on comments. you may have noticed I’m pretty damn active in them, unlike a lot of others. Or, perhaps, different than a lot of others.

      Here’s how I look at it: try them by fire and if they put up with me and stick around I’m a total sucker for redemption, especially my own.

      • jofjltncb6 says:

        My comment wasn’t out of line…(I considered pretending like I misunderstood what you were saying, but meh, I just don’t have the spirit for it lately)…it was more of a meta comment on the commenters in general lately…and by “lately”, I guess I mean, on this post.

        But apparently, based on the lack of activity today, everyone said what they wanted to say and have moved on to other endeavors. Probably for the better.

      • jofjltncb6

        By out of line, I only meant literally. It wasn’t nested so I couldn’t tell what you were responding to.

  111. Alright, sports fans.

    I just did a session in 57F water to talk to readers, commenters, and Jack sycophants alike how there’s no woo, where….uh, there. There’s no aura from ancient pathways, no factor anything and above all, no fucking narcissistic GURUs.

    http://freetheanimal.com/2012/05/no-guru-cold-thermogenesis-therapy-exercise-recovery-or-just-exercise.html

  112. Alistair H. says:

    The best thing to come out of this? Finding out Jack Kruse has a decade-long secret history of trolling NFL and Disney forums!

    His “bongo59″ persona is a legend is those communities for being the greatest liar and narcissist to ever grace them. He conveniently forgot to mention this, and his AANS neurosurgery suspension because of lying under oath during all his thousands of paleo posts and comments in the past year.

    There’s tons of stuff online if you search for “bongo59″ in google. Apparently he has deleted massive numbers of his old posts too to cover up his tracks. Here’s is a representative thread from 2008, complete with verification that Dr. Kruse is bongo59 (which he denied back then by saying that he was his own father, and denied earlier today before being called out):

    http://titanscentral.websitetoolbox.com/post/Bongo-and-the-Jets-3164195?trail=30

    “The fact that he claims to be his own father shows how much he enjoys his secret life of being the all-knowing Titans wizard. He’s a major megalomaniac, and may need help.”

    “When someone called him on it, like a lot of other times, he deleted the post. I wish I had quoted it because it was there. And afterwards, all his threads starting disappearing and then he hasn’t been back.
    I have no doubts the guy has connections to inside info. I also have no doubts he’s extremely full of himself and borderline a fraud.”

    “Bongo got called out for copying a fantasy insider’s information here and calling it an “AFC scout” when all he did was copy and paste the info from the other source, and someone ratted him out.”

    “He also was a major prick, insulted everyone personally when they called him out, and has been shown wrong the majority of the time. How can the Jets message board (or anyone here) forget the fiasco during the draft in 2006…it seems pretty hard to deny that the guy has some serious issues. Is it all doctors that have the stubborn/megalomaniac personality?”

    “I get a kick out of this thread because Bongo is such an egotist, I know he is reading it”

  113. Dan Linehan says:

    My overall takeaway here is that Kurt Harris was spot fucking on once again, and with panache.

    The most interesting thing about all of this are the accounts who are still shilling for Kruse. Either he has some serious sycophants, or online dissociative identity disorder

    Richard, you should mull over why you weren’t more skeptical about Kruse all along, it seems out of character for you. Just because someone is smart or prolific, doesn’t mean they have good intentions.

    Let me know if you’d like me to do a guest post on MCT oil, I’ve been coming up with some slick recipes lately.

    • EatLessMoveMoore says:

      @ Dan – I agree. I think Kurt is the most popular non-blogger in the paleosphere for precisely that reason: He’s fucking brilliant, and his observations are usually spot-on. People like him – and Melissa – are the real intellectual capital of ‘paleo’ (however one conceives of it). The Jack Kruses and Jimmy Moores of the movement are the marketing wing, and damned if they’re not brilliant at it as well. I just wish people would start seeing the difference.

      • Anna K. says:

        to EatLessMoveMoore
        ” I think Kurt is the most popular non-blogger in the paleosphere for precisely that reason: He’s fucking brilliant, and his observations are usually spot-on. People like him”

        Kurt is also fucking arrogant, dismissive, egotistic and full of himself. Many people on this blog said that they don’t like him precisely for this reason. Did you read the comments?
        “You can’t get people to listen to you if they all think you’re assholes.”

      • Mario Vachon says:

        Kurt is a little arrogant. Most really smart people are even if they go to great pains to try to hide it. But he is extremely bright and I’ve read very little he has ever written that he can’t back up in a logical, methodical way. The guy knows his shit inside and out, and that’s what I care about.

      • Anna K. says:

        I beg to differ, Kurt is more arrogant then smart. He is not smart enough to justify his grandiosity. But if he helps you, great for you.

        Everybody makes mistakes or generalizations, Kurt including. Here is one example that I’m not sure he can back up: “Excess sun on white skin causes skin cancer”. It’s from his blog. That’s quite a general statement. Is it true? not so sure, yet he makes it. I have no problem with it, until he attacks Kruse for making the same general not referenced statements. I’m not even Kruse’s big fan, but Kurt just annoys me with his holier then Thou attitude.

      • Let me give you a general take on Kurt, whom I hope if still my friend after all this.

        When he got into blogging, the landscape was far different. For me, the change was actually towards what I was most used to. You can’t fault him for not really wanting to do what I love doing because I was doing the same thing libertarianesque long before blogging and even long before blogs.

        I think he probably sees a value to all of this in some context, but I think it’s just not how he wants to spend his time.

        And do you? By which I mean, suppose you had a blog and wanted to be more than x ways to do x. Are you prepared to deal with the crap day in and day out?

        You all know how I deal with it, but Kurt shouldn’t be faulted for being more of a gentleman than I or anyone else. Don’t get me wrong. I get myself uncomfortable often, in posts and comments both and often get up in the morning with second thoughts and regrets. And then I usually see a comment or two from people who got it, and I’m off.

        Kurt lifted this whole thing. He really did.

      • Anna K. says:

        Ok Richard, I see your point. I just like your style better. cheers for now.

    • Gerald Maxwell says:

      Kurt Harris was definitely spot on. But the canary in the goldmine was paleohacks.

      From January of 2011 to May 2011, well over a year before today, some of the top posters at paleohacks were pointing out made-up numbers by Kruse, as well as copy-paste jobs, flat out lies, and jumping to conclusions.

      Because of this, Kruse called them narrow-minded and crazy (what a laugh that is now, compared to the real craziness) and tried to spread his hatred of paleohacks to anyone who would listen.

      The best part is that he took his followers to a big thread at Mark’s Daily Apple and then his own forum, then claimed several times to never check paleohacks anymore. That is not true. If you click on his username, “The Quilt”, you can see that he logs in every day, every 20-30 minutes throughout the day. He’s being doing this for the past year.

      I can’t even fathom what his diagnosis would be. Narcissistic personality disorder with a helping of bipolar, OCD, and whatever else? And now there’s this whole thing about trolling the internet as “bongo59″ for years and being suspended by a neurosurgery association? I suppose to his fans these things are further evidence that he is being persecuted by those who can’t handle his genius-level mind.

    • Dan

      Sure, do the guest post. You’ve been a value add commenter for a long time. Would be interesting if you spoke to your past veganism (high fat, as I recall) too.

      Not to make too many poor excuses for myself, but I tried to be careful in being critical of his hype while giving him a shot to promote his Leptin stuff (which I now understand is someone else’s work) and CT, which I did know originated elsewhere but he was popularizing it. Cronise tried to help him to, even so far as to meet with him personally.

      So there was indeed skepticism, but I didn’t want to come off as just totally dismissive of anything new. Now, in 20/20 hindsight and the whole football forum stuff, we see just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

    • Does Kruse’s “Doctor” status have anything to do with it? I say so. It’s just the way it is — top dawg M.D. (geez, and overachiever D.M.D.) status is an aphrodisiac come-on and Dick was going down on it, big. All puns intended.

      Just sai’n’

      • Hi Laura

        Have you searched the blog, do you really _know_ anything? Any idea how many MDs and PhDs Iv’e dissed here?

        Or, how about this? Is Kurt Harris not an MD? This is a personal matter, but Kurt eagerly helped both my wife and I with imaging over muscular-skeletal issues and you can go ahead and ask MD Kurt about the regretful private fuck you fest we had over this, several times, by phone and email.

        Don’t you just think you know everything? Yea, huh? Because you’re a stupid with no perspective, unlike most of my commenters.

      • Not who you dissed, but who you need to love. Oh, and love you back. I really don’t consider myself one of yours on any level i.e. commenter. I kinda like you, though. Who is Evie? I am Lara. Why are these busy and accomplished docs of sorts wasting so much time?

      • Alright, Laura, just go ahead and take the high road with me.

        Now I went and had to edit the comment.

        I kinda like that.

      • You are so damned feisty! So, now you go ahead and censor your own comment. This kind a makes mine a non sequitur. Not fair! I now think you are emulating JJK — your punctuation and grammar suck!

      • Laf. You’re a good sport, Laura, and I’m always a sucker for that.

  114. EatLessMoveMoore says:

    I almost feel bad for Jack. Almost. Now, what Jimmy Moore does will be crucial (at least for how the mainstream low carb consensus on Jack swings). I’m sure you have some idea what he’s planning, Richard. Are you just playing coy? I have major respect for the way you’re not afraid to change your mind and admit you were wrong – that’s intellectual honesty at its finest (and what’s lacking in 99.999% of blogs, which makes critics like CarbSane possible in the first place). But what about those who were right all along? Could anything resembling an apology for Evelyn be forthcoming? Dr. Kurt Harris? Just askin’…

    • ELMM

      No idea what Jimmy thinks of this. Have not been in contact with him since before the cruise.

      Others may disagree, but I owe nobody an apology for doing my own DD over time with Jack so I could know for myself what was up, withholding judgment until then and not just take somebody’s word for it.

    • Anna K. says:

      To EatLessMoveMoore
      “But what about those who were right all along? Could anything resembling an apology for Evelyn be forthcoming? Dr. Kurt Harris? ”

      I don’t think Richards owes them an apology. If anything, during all this controversy with Kruse, Kurt and Evelyn shown their worst sides. They dismissed everything about Kruse, CT, Low carb, people he has helped. They were full of anger, envy, hatred. They all hate Kruse because he is popular, because many people like him, not because he is a lier.

      Kurt Harris desperately wants to be relavant, liked, respected, but he can’t help himself, but to come out as an arrogant asshole in his every posting. People sense that and they don’t like it. Especially on Paleo forums. People get enough of doctor’s arrogance from traditional MDs, they don’t want that from Paleo MDs as well.

      Richard on the other hand, gave him the benefit of the doubt and respect to many people who have benefited from LR, CT, etc.

      We are adults and can all separate the message from the messenger. When Richard was talking about Cold Therapy, Kurt , Melissa, Evelyn response was Kruse is an idiot, that’s why CT is stupid. Instead of arguing about the validity of CT, all they care about is to bring Kruse down. That’s the real problem with PaleoFx and “the people”

  115. Amid all the fun, some gold: thanks for that link, Lindsay. Superb.

    Culture vultures will recall that Homer once changed his name to Max Power in the hope of being emboldened and made glorious. Imagine spending your life with the name Jack Kruse. Seriously. The sort of name one might waggishly don for a weekend in Vegas, but for all sober purposes, wholly dangerous.

    You can almost forgive the fella for overreaching himself.

  116. I don’t get being a sycophant for anyone whether it be Jack, Kurt, Melissa, CarbSane Evelyn, Jimmy, or even our blustery blog host.
    Here’s why JK got so popular: he was nice to his followers. I watched from the sidelines wondering where in the heck this guy was going to go. I could never get through an entire blog post because the errors drove me crazy, but on his FB page and in comments elsewhere, he comes across as a guy who wants to help people and there are people out there who are desperate and he addressed them directly. It is pretty much the same way cult-leaders work. Draw them in with kindness, then hit them with the crazy stuff. Some will stick around with you until the end.
    Some of these other folks? Well, we know we are not going to get cuddles from Richard – heck, that’s why we come here. I get more laughs from this blog than most any other. But I don’t read the others’ blogs any longer because the snarky, snide, “I have a degree so I must be wonderful” attitudes got on my nerves and obscured their message. (Not Jimmy. He’s not snarky and likes to play the simple southern boy. But he is damn smart and has a great podcast, and is willing to try to do what he can to fix an obvious metabolic problem, so good for him.)
    I guess my point is why do people want to raise others to a pedestal in place of the old god? Let’s face it. None of us really know for certain exactly how this piece of human body machinery works. It’s damn complicated and the production of billions of years of natural selection. I’m not going to figure it out in a year and neither is anyone else. The best we can do is keep hacking away at it for some answers.

  117. Throwing mud at someone inevitably results in some sticking to YOU.

    do you honestly believe that anyone would now believe anything you might say or even want to spend money on your book?

    Try to remember that lovely little adage from BAMBI … If you can’t say somethin’ nice, don’t say nuthin’ at all.

    • Darleen

      Gee wizakers and aw shucks. Thanks for the words of “wisdom” from Bambi.

      Now, if you don’t mind, I have adults to get back to.

      • Adults? seriously? With this kind of bs? more like a bunch of foul mouthed unruly children.

      • Darleen:

        Really, we like kids. They’re just fine, in their place. So feel free to stick around. You might even get a few quotes to pass around beyond Bambi.

  118. I don’t think I’ve ever been on Jack’s forum before, but I saw a referral link from it.

    http://forum.jackkruse.com/showthread.php?1557-Everyone-please-read-someone-has-hacked-Dr-Kruse-s-Fcebook-account

    Very interesting evolution over a couple of day’s time, and it’s a _good_ evolution. It has gone from basically “no way he’s lying he was hacked” —at which point you have to wade through about 50 posts from others saying they too have been hacked—to where now, they are making excuses for his lies and megalomania and narcissism.

    That’s progress. Like I said before. I have no problem with Jack being around, helping those who care to put up with him, he’s clearly helped a lot of people and hasn’t hurt any I’m aware of. But at least now people can simply know the honest truth of what they’re dealing with.

    I do wish Jack Kruse well.

    • Opps, I got that link wrong. Edited the comment but for those clicking via email…

      http://forum.jackkruse.com/showthread.php?1557-Everyone-please-read-someone-has-hacked-Dr-Kruse-s-Fcebook-account

    • Leigh says:

      Looking over it, I think you’re finding excuses for megalomania and narcissism, but not for lies. I don’t see anyone who says “yeah, he posted that picture and tried to get us to believe it was him, but that’s okay because (he’s cuddly) (I like Koolaid) (my mama told me to play nice) (it’s May).”

      • Leigh

        Yea, evolution takes time. :)

        Look what we’re seeing in only 2 days. That’s my point. It’s kinda why, I suppose, those elements never bothered me a whole lot, and even the other inconsistencies or lies I suspected (as in my addendum).

        The pic was what nailed it for me because that is super important because of the far reaching motivational effects they have…and probably more than any other thing, as I tried to convey in my post, this was in the context or women on IPMG putting up pics of themselves in their undies, and he had to come in and 1-up everyone. It perhaps wasn’t even the lie or stupidity that bothered me so, it was…well, I don’t know even what it was.

        I’ve tried to be careful in all of this to make it clear that this was _my_ last straw. I really don’t require it to be anyone else’s.

  119. Jordi says:

    Richard, you need to implement a “Like” button on this website. There are some gems here.

    • Oh, Jordi, how wrong you are. According to Evelyn at Carbsane in a post from yesterday, I’m just about the most loathsome thing you could ever dream up. The dog pile in comments is pretty good too.

      I don’t really see her point in the post. I said in my addendum that I gave Jack a pass on the inconsistency for not mentioning the surgery to me in the phone call he later claims to have been on the night of it.

      • Oh, well, I now see that I’m at least not alone. She’s just put up a post today slamming Tom Naughton.

        Oh, well.

      • And now, I’ve pretty much confirmed that I have been banned after 2 pretty gentle comments, after letting her post 86, or however many she wanted, here.

        I had to log into an outside server after repeated tries to post a reply to her from here. Could be a software glitch who knows? Comment posted right away; I did a follow up to say that I suspected I’d been banned, but just wanted to make sure and in any case, just tell me I’m not welcome. I respect other’s property. If not welcome, I’ll not post.

        That posted right away and the one I’d just gotten through had been deleted.

        Well. Well.

      • gallier2 says:

        She’s an hypocrite, that was known even long before all the Kruse shit started. She might have been right about Kruse, but when she was, it was not for the right reasons. She will poop on low-carbers only because they promote low-carb, not because the specific guy might be an opportunist. Kruse was a low-carber of sort and that was the start of her hatred for him. All the other arguments she might have advanced were taken from others like Kurt, Emily or Melissa.

      • I haven’t checked again since getting involved in having my best Indian friends over who brought properly marinated Tandori chicken to do on the grill (Kamal; see, I do have Indian friends :)

        Interestingly, Evie didn’t delete the follow on comment and suddenly I could post from home. The follow on comment of course spoke to the equity of me letting her comment here all she wants and she still can, but banning me after two rather gentle posts.

        We’ll see. I actually prefer to move on, and I have a huge post brewing for Monday about nutritional density as a follow on to my conversation with Ray Cronise. But if Evie wants a fight, I’m game,

      • …I want to make something clear. I have no interest in going after Evie, per se. I don’t like her style. I prefere to look for that values people produce in the paleo and LC communities and I don’t really care to microscope pimples on asses.

        I have bursting boils to consider in the general mainstream. Kruse was a distraction, and yea, she’ll spin that, because that’s what she does. Kruse was a distraction because Kruse was too important to ignor and that’s simply a fact and I worked it how I work things. Like it or not. I tried my hardest, I failed, and I got done with him and I wish I’d succeeded in getting him to tone it down, as some do with me, and to whom I try to listen to. At least most of the time.

        I’m not perfect about that.

    • Oh, and Jordi, there is a like button at the bottom of each post :)

  120. Elenor says:

    I’ve been reading through this long comments thread, after having enjoyed Richard’s post(s) on CT, which absolutely piqued my interest in CT (thanks R!). I also listened to some podcasts with Jack Kruse. I have NOT bothered with reading all the other sturm-und-drang about him on blogs and forae and so on, cause I don’t really care that much.

    My take, as a mostly disinterested outsider (in case anyone cares) is this. I actually feel sorry for Jack Kruse; my wild-@ss guess is perhaps he is slipping down into some sort of mental illness… A friend (who is a psychiatrist) once wrote me (when we were discussing 9/11 stuff) that early schizophrenics, as they begin what is often their slide into dysfunction, are extremely persuasive advocates of whatever is(/are) their interest(s). That they immerse themselves into some topic, and become extremely facile in discussing and presenting (boatloads of) facts and information and conclusions (that may or may not be sound). Some topic becomes the be-all and end-all in their lives, and they seem (are) persuasive because of their earnestness and commitment and fervent belief. The problem, she added, is you cannot tell which of their obsessions is valid and which is flat-out crazy! And, as the disease develops, they become less and less coherent in their sorting out of what’s nuts and what’s (possibly) sound.

    So many folks seem to be assuming Kruse is doing all he’s doing maliciously or trying to self-aggrandize or out of ego… Does that even make sense? Would a “normal” (mentally healthy) human do this? Would a mentally healthy person not see he has WAY overstepped the bounds of credibility? (And even with folks pointing it out to him, with varying degrees of force; it seems Kruse can’t hear it.)

    (Now, I do admit that doctors, and esp. surgeons, and more esp. neurosurgeons, do absolutely pick up the god-complex in their training, which is then cemented by their work. To hold another human’s life and personality and ability to see and speak and think and function in your hands; to cut and burn and stitch and ‘mess about’ with the coupla-pounds of the wet rubbery jello that is human life *requires* a god-complex. (And attracts those most susceptible to it.) Like military jet-jockeys (a couple of whom I’ve dated {wink}), when your vocation REQUIRES you to have that swashbuckling sense of yourself as god’s gift to the field (to prevent paralysis at the thought of its huge attendant risks), you can become too grand for normal life (whether accurately or in-!).)

    I have a sense of compassion for Kruse. Whatever ELSE is going on with him, he’s destroying his life. No person sets out to do so, but some folks end up there. (Rather than fury and disillusionment, can some of y’all find disinterested compassion too?)

    • Galina L. says:

      Elenor, I like your comment a lot, and I feel a compassion to Dr. Kruse who is going to be the #1 victim of whatever is wrong in his head or with his personality. I don’t know, of course, how much he is aware that his behavior is risky and how much he controls what he is doing . It is still a possibility he is not a maniac and is seeking thrills by telling outrageous things, like some people who are not in need do shoplifting because it gives them an adrenalin rush.
      Whatever is wrong with him, there is something wrong with him. He is not well, and does not deserved to be hated. However, Richard is right by trying to raise a hell. Most people in a Paleo-community just pretend there is nothing extraordinary is going on, which led Jack Kruse into deeper hole. The situation is close to one when some people who know each other well for a while decide to have a party, then during the party one of well-respected guests starts urinating in public. Many wouldn’t know how to react. The longer everybody pretends Dr.Kruse is o.k., the more chances he would get to embarrass himself.

      • I agree with all of the foregoing. I like Jack, though in a different context now and this whole thing is a real bummer. But yea, people needed a shock dose of reality and it’s what cause all the other stuff about the football and other forums over years and years to become common knowledge.

    • Nice, even kneel – comment. Thanks Elenor!

    • Word. This is exactly how I feel.

    • After following Jack for awhile I came to believe that a hypomanic state may the core for what he considers “optimal”. He may feel that a controlled hypomanic state is an evolutionary advancement. A long-term cyclical condition seems to best explain his public behavior and sometimes surprising appearance.
      I do believe he deeply believes what he says is true. Of course the lack of doubt and perspective is exactly the troublesome issue.

  121. Rachelle says:

    Now!! I can understand more of where you are coming from Richard. Still not sure what made you turn so suddenly, with such extreme fervor, but it is what it is. I would have never thought JK would try and pass that picture off as himself without it being a joke.

    I bought a ticket to the webinar and it was extremely underwhelming. KT was an event but his take on it is not all together believable. I thought for sure I would learn something that would add more benefit to his list of protocols- (shaking head) nada. Instead I listened to a shaken, NOT so confident Dr. Jack Kruse, who read from a poorly written script. It looks like this event has weakened his message and credibility and he is very aware of it now.

    • He could still redeem himself, over time, and I’d applaud that because I’m a huge sucker for redemption in a secular sense, and I don’t like the word rehabilitation, so I use the classic term.

      I hope he does, and there are a few paths to take, from just copping to it to simply changing his message and approach. He didn’t listen to Sisson who tried, Cronise who tried, wolf wo tried, or me, who also tried. Hopefully, his conscience proves enough, now, because that’s all he has left.

      • Galina L. says:

        Do you mind if I ask you what does he say when others point out on inconstancies and other things that affect credibility?

      • For now, I think he’s still lying about it, but that’s just a sense because I never go around following what Kruse is saying anywhere. I don’t really look to blips on a graph or isolated events or even lies (except when I’m directly confronted with them, which this post is about).

        I’m looking for a trend, a meta-change in behavior, taken on context and over time.

      • Evie dearest at carb sane would call that a “cryptic comment.” That’s because she only works in largely isolated snapshots. Dealing with full context reality is something she’s either not trained to do, or doesn’t care to engage in.

        Im not sure, but my guess is she didn’t expect the comments I posted on her blog post from Friday or Saturday about me.

      • Let’s turn back the clock…all the way back to January of 2011.

        A certain “Dr. K” shows up on paleohacks, and everyone is excited as hell. His profile claims he is 52 years old and lives in NYC (neither of these is true). He knows a lot about science for sure, but some things he says are blatantly false, other things are copied and pasted from elsewhere on the web and claimed to be his, and more stuff seems like opinion masquerading as fact.

        A small group of individuals starts questioning him. One is a medical student named “RG73″, another one is me, and there are more very sharp “critics”. He ends up mocking all of us and calling out our skepticism.

        Many months later, after getting his own thread on Mark’s Daily Apple, he stops posting as much on paleohacks, then denounces it all together. In several places on the web, he claims to never visit paleohacks anymore. This is not true at all. If have looked at his profile at all the last few weeks and months, you can see that he checks paleohacks dozens of times a day (this is seen at the top of the page, and looks like “last seen 22 minutes ago” which is way way more often than most any other of the thousands of members).

        Why does Kruse hate paleohacks? Is it because it can be abrasive at times, and people can ask some dumb questions? It is because there is a loud high carb faction or a loud low carb faction? I don’t think so. I personally think it’s because paleohacks called him out on crazy lies, and he was developing a strong following elsewhere.

        As an example, let’s look at his first three answers on paleohacks. Someone asks if flavored coffee (such as hazlenut or Cinnabon) is bad for you. I know a couple things about this, but his answer smacks of overstretching the truth:

        “As an MD its not paleo…..not even close. The chemicaladdictive are highly inflammatory to the liver and stimulate IL6 and NNF kappa beta and worse yet…….the flavoring stimulate leptin receptors on your tongue and it causes an insulin spike even though there are no carbs to induce it. A big pass.”

        Next up. Someone asks if you can overconsume saturated fat. Dr. Kruse answers:

        “you can live off the saturated fats of coconut as any tribe in the pacific has….”

        This is untrue. From Stephan Guyenet’s review of the Kitava study: “They get an estimated 69% of their calories from carbohydrate, 21% from fat, 17% from saturated fat.” This is true of most if not all the Pacific islands. They eat a very carb heavy diet in all seasons, and less than a fifth of energy is from saturated fat. Hardly “you can live off the saturated fats of coconut…”

        His third answer is to a question asking essentially “Kurt Harris and Stephan Guyenet recommend keeping PUFA less than 4% of daily energy intake. If you follow that guideline but oxidize some of your PUFA by doing things such as scrambling your eggs, is that bad for you?” I’m in a nutrition PhD program, and asked a fat researcher this question that same week. He gave me a detailed and factually correct answer. Here is a selection from Dr. Kruse’s answer:

        “This number comes from Mary Enig and truthfully no one knows if it is true. The best plan is to limit all PUFA’s because we understand what PUFA do to our metabolism…We need to overload the brain with DHA and EPA to get them in every cell membrane….”

        People point out errors in his answer such as “The 4% figure does not come from Mary Enig. It comes from real research done by Lands.” and “”We need to overload the brain with DHA and EPA to get them in every cell membrane” Ummm, aren’t DHA and EPA both PUFAs…?”

        Even though there are nuggets of truth in Dr. Kruse’s answer (I’ve ordered my omega 6/3 ratio, read some of the same papers he appears to have read, etc), he makes no sense when he strings these sentences together.

        And then there are about ten dozen other times he made a claim that didn’t appear to be factual, someone called him out on it, and he mocked them. Like how he said point blank that meditation reduced cancer incidence by 56%, and I just happened to have worked at the largest meditation research center in the country and called him out on this obvious untruth. Or when he analyzed Michael Phelps’ swimming temperature and thermogenesis benefits, I asked him for details because I was skeptical, and he said, “Just read any nutrition textbook”. The textbook he told me to read was right on my bookshelf! So I pulled it out, thumbed through the index, and found that he completely made it up.

        What’s my point? Buyer should always beware, but in this case buyer should beware freaking big time. As a jaded internet skeptic who happens to be in a nutrition PhD program, I think I can do a moderately okay job of separating out useful nuggets from other things when Jack types. So if he writes something in my area of interest, I’m still game to learn a thing or two.

        But if I wanted to learn about cold thermogenesis, I’d read Ray Cronise, or better yet, some of the original stuff on pubmed that doesn’t come equipped with embellishments. If I want to read about leptin, “Mastering Leptin” by Byron Richards is pretty okay book that Jack seems to have borrowed heavily from. I read TS Wiley’s “Lights Off” a few years ago, and he takes most of that seasonal light/carb stuff without mentioning her name.

        If I were to write what he wrote, I would mention these people’s names about ten times more often than he does. His tying together of theories is not really tying things together, it reads more like someone who is very excited and wants to be really well known, and loves theories of everything a little too much. Why is there no theory of everything in nutrition and health? There are like a million variables, and many different types of bodies, microbiomes, etc. Not even physics, the most basic of sciences, can achieve a unified theory of everything. But according to Kruse…

        “Optimal = cold +ketogenic paleo diet + uses leptin melanocortical pathway most of the time = ultimate longevity (or performance) and lifespan in humans.”

        “My physicists buddy calculated several things for me mathematically based upon the theory before we got started to see if this was even plausible. And he said the math worked out.”

        Miki Ben-Dor, a smart cookie from Israel who is presenting at AHS12, says it best…
        “there must be something about physics training that leads to intolerance toward misrepresentation of the unknown as known.”

      • Kamal:

        Thanks for introducing all of this into evidence so anyone can check it out.

      • Anna K. says:

        Galina, here are some minor ones:

        first he said “there is no safe starches” then he said he eats 400 grams of them during the summer.

        he is against the “mismatches” yet didn’t answer how is using ice during the summer in Florida is not a mismatch, but carbs during winter is.

        Knowing about KT even should change your protocols, but how he doesn’t say. That doesn’t even make any sense. You can’t create CT or LR protocol that everybody uses and then say you should change it after you find out factor X.

        If anybody questions him on the above, he just ignores you, or tell you that you’ve missed the point.

        I’m with Richard, I hope that Jack redemes himself before he completely discredits his message. There is a lot of value in LR and CT.

      • Chloe says:

        On his forum, Jack said, “. . . when you get Factor X’s power……well it changes everything…….and I mean everything.” I don’t feel transformed, but maybe that’s because I’m a skeptic. Or a “hater,” depending on who you ask.

        Galina, Jack has lied about all sorts of things–why avocados turn brown, the affect of mindfulness on breast cancer relapse rates, the cancer-reducing effects of nipple massage, etc. (these examples are all from Paleohacks). Then there’s those inspirational quotations that he posts on Facebook and Twitter. He never cites his sources, even when people respond to the quotations as if they’re Jack’s own words (by commenting on how intelligent/insightful he is, for example). I’ve seen some of his supporters say that his failure to cite his sources for the quotations isn’t a big deal, but I think it’s symptomatic of a larger problem–that is, attempting to pass off his derivative thinking as completely original.

        Another credibility-killing habit of Jack’s is to recommend for CT for just about any ailment you can think of. To be fair, he seems to be doing this less often now than when he initially introduced CT (or maybe I’ve just stopped paying much attention to his forum). When I was looking at his site a few months ago, though, he was endorsing CT not just for weight loss, but for psoriasis, anxiety, Asperger’s, etc. He was acting as it it were a cure-all for everything. Someone who wants to be taken seriously by clinicians or scientists can’t go around making unproven, hyperbolic statements about the benefits of “his” treatment.

        And as Anna K. says above, Jack responds terribly to criticism. That is, he ignores it, denigrates the source of the criticism, or deletes evidence of his erroneous statements (as he has done on Paleohacks). Jack and some of his supporters act like he’s been the innocent victim of ad hominem attacks. But Jack dishes it out as much as he takes it. He acts like Paleohacks epitomizes all that is wrong in the paleosphere. But as far as I can tell, that’s just because members of that site wouldn’t let him get away with hyperbole and inaccuracy. They called him on his bullshit and he got pissed. (By the way, I’m not a Paleohacks “regular” by any means, just impressed with much earlier they called out Jack’s nonsense than other sites/bloggers.)

        I, too, wish Jack could redeem himself (actually, I wish he would just go away, but redemption would also be acceptable). Do I think he’ll change? Not really. Per Richard, lots of people have talked to him about reining himself in or changing the way he presents his message. Did he take that feedback to heart? Apparently not if he’s still claiming that Factor X will change everything. A few days ago, he posted some very earnest-sounding statements on his blog in response to inquiries about his past as Bongo59. He said that he’s changed, that the person he was in 2002/2003 isn’t the person he is now, that all he wants to do is help people. The problem is, those Bongo59 posts seem to demonstrate just how similar the Jack of today is to the Jack of the early 2000s. That’s what makes them so fascinating. He’s still making false claims and alluding to insider knowledge that nobody else has (those NASA reports on the benefits of CT, in case you were wondering are, per Jack, top-secret and available only to people who have a connection at NASA). He’s still resorting to name-calling when he’s faced with criticism. And I believe that he’s still lying when backed into a corner by his critics. As M. wrote above, many of the media reports about Kruse-gate indicated that Jack’s Twitter account had been hacked. Did he correct that misunderstanding? Nope. Instead, he led people to believe that the FBI was on some sort of manhunt for a ring of conspirators in NY, Chicago, and Boston. When Jack was caught pretending that a stock photo of a builder was a picture of himself, what did he do? He claimed that he’d been hacked (but never provided convincing evidence that he had been). What did Jack/Bongo59 do in 2010 (yes, 2010, not 2002 or 2003) when a member of a football forum accused him of deleting previous posts of his that contained false information about draft picks? You guessed it. He claimed he’d been hacked: “there is an issue with a cyber stalker from TC who keeps hacking my account. I fixed the issue by using a VPN. It happened over there too and that was why I left cause I could not fix the problem over there …………….the board mechanics would not allow it so I just told them to delete me…………” (bit.ly/Lbj3NI).

      • Leigh says:

        I think what you mean is he said there are no safe starches if your climate & light patterns don’t match your carb intake. This is a typical Kryptic Kruse misunderstanding. When you take what he says in the context of all he says, it’s clear there’s no contradiction. But who the heck ever has the time to do that? I’ve read enough of his stuff to know it’s the pattern, and when it seems at first there’s a contradiction, I just wait for the time when I stumble on the rest that makes sense of it … and it always happens, eventually.

        I know that you know that he said ice in FL in the summer is only for those trying to fix certain conditions. It’s a temporary situation, like taking supplements, or doing the leptin reset, or even using pharmaceuticals – things that would never be needed if we weren’t already screwed up.

        I think the “if you don’t see how it affects your protocols, you’re missing the point” is typical for him. Frustrating, but it’s part of how he “teaches” – he doesn’t like to give you answers directly, but to give clues and have you figure it out for yourself, and apply it yourself to your individual situation. Not what a “guru” usually does, but it’s his style.

        Someone mentioned contrarians being deleted. I’ve seen many declare their excitement about how they could use “Factor X” to improve their “protocols,” but also quite a few people who weren’t so excited. I’ve seen them criticize this, and others criticize other points in the past, but all of the ones I’m thinking of are still actively posting on the forum, not kicked off.

        I think Kruse is a special kind of nut, and have a lot of things to say about him, and a lot of things to say about his ideas, and they’re a mix of positive and negative, but what I don’t like is misinformation, whether by him or by his critics.

      • Anna K. says:

        to Leigh, can you point me out to where “many declare their excitement about how they could use “Factor X” to improve their “protocols”.

        As I said before – That doesn’t even make any sense. You can’t create CT or LR protocol that everybody uses and then say you should change it after you find out factor X.

        And Factor X is an asteroid that helps you improve your protocols???

        It would be one thing if he said that factor X will Explain your protocols, why they work or make sense, but not change them. Otherwise why have protocols in a first place if they are wrong???

      • Leigh says:

        I’m too lazy to search it out and link to all the threads. ;) Obviously some are on the Factor X thread.

        Does tailoring protocols with factor X make sense? All these protocols have lots and lots of room for individualized tweaking. Full of personal faults (maybe or maybe not more than I am), yes, but Dr. Kruse has given many ways in which the LR, CT, & post-LR protocols can be tweaked for individuals. Part of why he suggests 23andme testing is to do just this.

        I don’t think factor X is strictly the asteroid, but the whole package of just which critters survived the KT event that wiped out most of the dinosaurs, what traits they had that enabled them to survive, and what that means about what they passed to their descendants, including us. Since I don’t know exactly (didn’t bother with the webinar; I suspected it would be along the lines of what it was, both topic & hype-wise), I can’t say for sure, but it doesn’t seem hard for me to imagine how a little more info could help me tweak some things in my practice of CT or circadian or dietary stuff. That could be info about my personal health, my parents’ health, my genetic inheritance, my environment, or yes, even my ancient evolutionary predecessors.

        Would it make a little more sense if something like the word “clarify” was used instead for its effect on the protocols? I can easily envision how an explanation could lead to a change.

      • Anna K. says:

        Leigh, I think we are splitting hairs now. I see your point, the point I was trying to make is that dr. Kruse made factor X sound so much more that it is and now he is forced to defend factor X’s grandiosity.

      • Leigh says:

        ah, gotcha now!

      • Carly says:

        Woah, Chloe that’s some amazing sleuthing there! Kruse’s pattens of behaviour are absolutely fascinating, and more than a bit tragic. If he wasn’t such a bellend, I may feel compassion for him, but the man seems to have not even a slice of integrity or honesty. I have said it before , but I am 100% convinced that he cares not about his “followers”, but sadly, only about ego and status. He’s cold, if you excuse the pun.

    • Anna K. says:

      Rachelle, looks like many people were disappointed in the webinar, they are just unwilling to come out and say it publicly on his forums.

      And as far as for protocols, dr. Kruse said if you don’t change them after the webinar, you’ve totally missed the point. But he doesn’t seem to want to explain what exactly was missed. Everybody missed the point, because there isn’t any. He has gone on defensive and his credibility is dropping like the KT meteorite.

      • Rachelle says:

        Anna, with good reason. I already had an email from someone who complained about the webinar and was kicked off his forums, by none other then Jack himself. I also think that the Marketing Monkey’s are Jack. Sad no one is willing to confront him without consequences. There are people not willing to put their neck out because they have formed friendships on his forum.

        Did you listen to the webinar? If so, did you notice how shaky his voice was? It’s like he has been put in his place to the point his confidence has plummeted.

        Maybe there is hope he will redeem himself, but I highly doubt it.

      • Anna K. says:

        Rachelle,

        “Sad no one is willing to confront him without consequences. There are people not willing to put their neck out because they have formed friendships on his forum.” It is sad, but if he doesn’t change, people will leave.

        No, I didn’t listen to the webinar, but read a lot of public and private comments about it. He is losing it… His only hope is to stop saying how amazing he and his message is and instead focus on helping people, this is what he does best.

  122. susan says:

    Well now that Factor X is officially out and proud, could someone inform us few, us sad few, who were not in on the webinar exactly what it is? I always thought it would turn out to be Xenu, but now from the bits and pieces I’ve read, it seems to be junk DNA or some run away evolutionary adaptation or some shit like that. And what is “KT?” I know it is ” AN EVENT” but is it like formal or casual dress. Please advise. Thanks.

    • Anna K. says:

      LOL, KT is factor X. Here is one explanation of what KT is:
      http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/back3.html

      • susan says:

        Holy Jesus Berries! You mean Factor X is a possible asteroid strike from 65 million years ago that are we are now suppose to compensate for with laborious protocols and factor into our everyday lifestyles in order for us to be of optimal health!

        That’s fucking hilarious! Good luck peoples! (And you thought counting calories was tough!)

        Thanks Anna K., that is almost as good as Factor X being Xenu.

      • Totally valid meta critique, Susan

        Thing is, we don’t need asteroids to reason that we have ancient adaptation to cold.

        It’s just kinda fun to see where you can go with it, and I completely suspect there are health benefits to its intermittent use. But that’s nothing new either.

    • James says:

      Susan, factor X is a big ass disappointing asteroid that hit the earth. I guess Michael Bay and Bruce Willis missed one. What the flying fuck. Just for transparency though, I wasn’t on the webinar.

  123. Galina L. says:

    In my native Russia some practices involving cold water are popular since several centuries ago. It is a part on a banya (steam room) ritual. Also, it is normal to get a head under a stream of cold water as a hangover treatment. Some people claim it has numerous health benefits to the point of being a universal cure (sounds familiar?). My husband personally knew a very popular in Russia author (Nikitin) of several books about alternative healthy treatments and children raising. Among things he recommended was training children to get accustomed to running barefoot in a snow. The children of that guy are my husband’s friends. They indeed used run in a snow during their childhood and their parents raised them to be tolerant to cold. I have several books by Nikitin at home.
    I wish thous who are interested in an icy baths saw Russian icy-water-swimmers, they are called “seals” and the activity – sealing, and they look appropriately, the absolute majority of them are fat not very young females. I think their body composition gives them an advantage, and it doesn’t look like they are loosing their protective layer of fat, like their animals prototypes. As we all know, people are adaptable, it will be against adaptation principles to expect for subcutaneous fat to disappear if somebody starts to swim in a very cold water. As I see it, it is important to be on a cold resistant side while leaving in a cold climate, or you would catch cold more easily, and be more stressed from the weather. I don’t think anyone is taking a-la Dr.Kruse baths in Russia, spending time in a cold water is different than swimming in it.

    I also think getting yourself into a water-tab with an icy water may be the equivalent of self-administrating a potent placebo-medical treatment (for thous who wouldn’t catch cold or something else what people may get as a result of hypothermia). Mind-body connection exists , and people need to feel strong, respect themselves, have a desire to live, reach goals, all that contributes to their physical health. Feeling as a superman for some guy or gall who started his/her middle-age decline may be priceless, here he/she is having icy baths, bragging(in guys case) about “morning wood” on some blog (I hope the phenomenon doesn’t cause too much discomfort). Of course, such approach has its limitations, but it works as well.

    Richard, if you would get really interested in an icy-water treatments, I will look for you into some sources in Russian language . I am sure you have my e-mail as part of my profile.

    • Anna K. says:

      Galina, I think you are overstreching the placebo effect. It is powerful, but powerful enough to make so many people lose so much weight and get numerous other benefits? I doubt it.

  124. Chloe says:

    Wow, Jack really never learns, does he? His long comment (about Lake Vostok and Andrey Kapitsa) on his most recent blog post (http://bit.ly/JLZRcH) is plagiarized directly from Wikipedia. It’s shocking how little integrity he has.

  125. Galina L. says:

    Anna K.,
    I have to admit, I am not familiar with whole Dr.Kruse protocol and can’t have an opinion about its effectiveness. I said mainly that there is definitely a mind-body component in the forcing yourself to do something extreme. I also guess a person who can gather enough strength and will-power to do regularly something what is so against natural instincts, could limit yourself in other ways as well. Observing fat Russian icy water swimmers made an impression on me that a cold water exposure is not enough for a weight loss.

    • “Russian icy water swimmers made an impression on me that a cold water exposure is not enough for a weight loss.”

      Oh, Galina l. I love you, y’know, I hope, but do you have any idea of the confounding variables? How about that it prevented fat gain, and now run that down the rabbit hole.

      They’re not trying to do anything like what we’re trying to do.

      • Galina L. says:

        Sure, it is not questionable, there are more factors involved than just cold water exposure, and they are probably have different agenda, also, confounding a particular variable is a challenge anyway.I Many of them look like their body composition helps to persuade their hobby rather than preventing a future weight gain. I noticed on several occasion that skinny folks have much less tolerance for a cold water. When I went to Russia last summer , I noticed that paleo movement yet to come there. Even LC for a weight loss was an unknown concept.

      • Alright Galina. Now we’re on the same page.

    • Anna K. says:

      Galina, agree, cold water exposure is just one part of the puzzle, you still need to eat a lower carb/calorie diet.

  126. James says:

    “The problem is, those Bongo59 posts seem to demonstrate just how similar the Jack of today is to the Jack of the early 2000s. That’s what makes them so fascinating.”

    I live in Nashville and almost felt sorry for Jack. He’s been plastered all over the news here since the bio-terrorism fiasco. I went so far as to tweet him a few words of encouragement. (Can’t we all just get along?) Then I saw his picture:

    http://titanscentral.websitetoolbox.com/post/Bongo-and-the-Jets-3164195?trail=30

    I live in Nashville and I have had season tickets at Titans stadium since day 1. You can almost see my seats a couple of sections over, right behind Jack’s face paint. I have had the occasional run-in with him at pregame tailgates… As soon as I remembered those all credibility and any sorrow I might have felt for him vanished. I understand letting loose and having a good time at games more than most but, this shit was next level ridiculous. It was a potent mixture of Ric Flair and a scummy used car salesman sopping with douchery, on more than one occasion. (Hide yo wife, hide yo kids) What a joke! I now know all I need to know about JackBongo. Thanks for the interest in CT, you are no longer necessary. I feel like I was almost swindled. Jack, have fun ogling at David’s ass.

    Richard, you are an abrasive bitch and a jack ass but I am glad I stumbled upon this post today though… I might buy your book now just as a kind of repayment. So thanks, and affectionately go fuck off. Haha
    -Random Internet Guy

  127. I used to be ‘friends’ with JK on facebook last year. That photo was in one of his albums back then. I don’t think he was hacked, he’s just a lying prick.

  128. Leigh says:

    FWIW, he never denied it was in his account, and pointed out that when it was first posted over a year ago, he commented on it then that it was a joke. FWIW.

    • Rachelle says:

      He claimed to be hacke, right?. It’s hard to know when he is lying or not since he has been caught in many lies.

      Has anyone yet been charged with calling the cruise line? I have wondered if it was him not wanting to give Factor X away so he could charge people for the info.

      • Chloe says:

        Kruse claimed to have been hacked, but never provided any convincing evidence that he was.

        On 5/12, Kruse posted on this site that his representation had identified and deposed the caller. He said that the caller was a concerned citizen and not someone making a threat. Several people familiar with how legal matters work argued that Jack’s version of events was implausible (the FBI, not Jack’s team, would have been involved in deposing people involved; depositions don’t occur until charges have been filed; the FBI wouldn’t have shared tapes of the call to Carnival). It’s unclear what actually happened in the week or so following his removal from the cruise. Per Jack, the FBI identified a “ringleader” of a group of “radical” paleos, IP addresses were traced to NY, Boston, and Chicago, blah blah blah. It seems that none of what he said was true.

  129. Silverlakegirl says:

    If this is how “Paleo” people act with respect to humanity, I am going back to carbs. Just love all the nasty comments, get a job or a hobby. Let off some steam. I don’t think bashing people, personal beliefs or anything is healthy. If Paleo is a change back to nature and balance all of you haters are doing a horrible job at portraying it.

  130. “If this is how “Paleo” people act with respect to humanity, I am going back to carbs. Just love all the nasty comments, get a job or a hobby. Let off some steam. I don’t think bashing people, personal beliefs or anything is healthy. If Paleo is a change back to nature and balance all of you haters are doing a horrible job at portraying it.”

    Cry me a river, Silverlakegirl. Jeeeezus, already. Grow the fuck up.

    ….You might begin by basing your decisions—”going back to carbs” or anything else—on your own values and goals, not other people’s behavior.

  131. snapper says:

    Can anyone say “histrionic personality disorder”? I don’t believe these things are “disorders”, they’ve just evolved as a means of exploiting to survive. However, there are distinct patterns of behavior. In my experience, if someone’s behaviour seems extreme or bizarre, you can usually find a “personality disorder” that fits pretty well. I’m actually doing some CT because I was put onto Jack Kruse’s stuff. However, when I looked deeper, I thought this guy’s behavior is bizarre. So I typed in a few search terms and quickly found this page. No surprise to me.

    So Richard, have you looked into CT more? I have looked at research done way back but don’t have time for too much. It seems to be really good for sleep, just as Jack said. And that seems to reflect his modus operandi: latch onto what others have found, exaggerate the living hell out of it, whack a load of pseudo-scientific nonsense in the message, soak up the attention … and repeat ad nauseum.

  132. “So Richard, have you looked into CT more?”

    http://freetheanimal.com/2012/05/no-guru-cold-thermogenesis-therapy-exercise-recovery-or-just-exercise.html

    Additionally, I’ve had quite a lot of contact with Ray Cronise and in Version 2 of my book, currently being edited, CT will be a part of that.

    At the moment, most of my CT is at the local pool in about 75 deg water. I tread water in the deep end for 40-45 minutes most afternoons.

  133. The real master of cold water is of course not Dr. Jack Kruse, nor Prof Richard Nikoley, but Reverend Sebastian Kneipp.

    For those of you who can read German, his books are available online.

    So sollt ihr leben!
    Winke und Rathschläge für Gesunde und Kranke zu einer einfachen, vernünftigen Lebensweise und einer naturgemäßen Heilmethode

    Meine Wasser-Kur
    http://archive.org/details/meinewasserkur00kneigoog
    (Just the option “read online” seems to work for me.)

  134. maddieaddie says:

    Richard, I appreciate your honesty and integrity. I have been paleo for 3 years. During that time, I have upped my exercise, screwed around endlessly with macronutrient ratios, and generally obsessed my 20 lb of extra fat into 30 lb of extra fat. I also have struggled with many signs of hypothyroid, although blood panels are nearly normal. Who cares, right? Well when unweighed, unmeasured Paleo becomes weighed and measured and it’s still not working, people start looking for other answers. I’ve wondered about Kruse since hearing him on Jimmy Moore’s podcast. Leptin seemed worthy of investigation. However, if all of his findings are self-evident given the books and journal articles he has put together, then show me the bibliography. I haven’t seen one. A bunch of N=1 experiments aren’t going to persuade me. And, if those experiments have been falsified, then he is only preying on those people who are struggling to find health. I think it’s important for people in the paleosphere to realize there is a non-vocal minority (or majority?) whose decisions may affect our dietary recommendations/farming practices/food policy, and thinking critically and acting with integrity is the best way to achieve those positive changes.

  135. You seem to contradict yourself. You say in this post:

    “As I asked him about all of this over the phone he added that it was that night, January 9th, that I had spoken with him on the phone.

    Ever been in a conversation with someone and out of politeness, don’t call them on an inconsistency? Perhaps he’s mistaken. I didn’t actually know which specific evening I’d spoken with him and it’s 3 months later. So, maybe he’s mistaken about the day. Give it a pass.

    Now in retrospect, perhaps it was very important because, you see, for three months I had in mind that when I called, Jack was doing a major CT self experiment. I forget how many hours he said he was going to do, but:

    He said not one word about having surgery.”
    He said not one word about injecting himself with bacteria.

    When I asked why he was doing this, he said, “chronic back pain.” He also said that his family had no idea he was doing this, that he had taken time off work to do it, had someone watching over him, and that he was eating during the experiment. So, the Tedx talk 3 months later is the first time I hear about the bacteria, surgery, and that his family was involved in the ice packing. Still, I didn’t not connect that with my previous conversation with him because there was essentially nothing about the stories that were the same. So when he claimed our conversation was that same night I should probably have not given it a pass, but I did.”

    However in a previous post you say:

    Let’s back up to January 9th, the day of his surgery. By coincidence, Jack had been trying to reach me for a few days, and after obligatory phone tag, I settled down to a glass of whiskey on the evening of January 9th and rang him up, having no idea of what was in store. He answered, and something seemed way off…as though he’d been shot and was lying in a puddle of his own blood, bleeding to death. Nope, it was worse. He’d been in 40ish degree water for some hours (under supervision) at that point. He told me all about what he was up to, swore me to secrecy and that was that. I made sure he was under supervision and was eating during the experiment, because he was intending for a long haul in the icy water.

    Why did you change your story?

    • “the day of his surgery.”

      I blogged the previous post right after speaking with him on the phone, the day after watching his TEDx talk. It was not until then that I learned of the supposed surgery.

      That’s the point. He didn’t tell me a word of the surgery on the night I spoke with him. I wasn’t sure whether he got the day we spoke wrong, or what, but initially gave him the benefit of the doubt.

  136. Does leptin reset work ? Does cold thermogenesis work?

  137. Murgatroyd says:

    JK’s leptin reset is almost the same as VLC Paleo eating except breakfast is the biggest meal of the day, suggested 3 meals per day (smaller lunch and even smaller supper), eating supper no later than 4-5 hours before bedtime, lights out after sundown, and sleep a full 8 hours. He recommends adding lots of seafood, also. But his reset doesn’t require the use of CT.

    I ate Paleo-ish VLC months before adding JK’s spin (epi-paleo) to it. It certainly hasn’t hurt, and I continue to lose weight, 40 pounds so far.

    You asked if the Leptin Reset worked. Its just a Paleo diet with some seafood, meal timing, and respect for circadian rhythm thrown in. I have no idea if the results are because of leptin signaling. or not. Maybe the way we think it works is wrong but I can’t argue with the results. It is the same as asking if Paleo works in my opinion.

  138. Murgatroyd says:

    Dang it. I meant to nest my comment to reply to Ashley.

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