Retrogressive Paleo Monkeys, Monkey Islamists, Monkeys everywhere, and How This is Going to Turn

I've four posts in various levels of draft, since making it known that I will behold to no one. At all, ever again. I'm free...from a prison I ultimately imposed upon myself; as easily as I could've escaped, but didn't. My bad.

This is the post that rose to the top of the stack now. To frame it, here's an adorable little girl woman-child in a very short video, completely innocent—in spite of the cultural and geopolitical hate she knows nothing of...but is nonetheless indoctrinated to spew (it's done here in the good 'ol US, too—though more 'Merican-ish, now).

Perhaps you know her. You really do, because she's archetypical: the sort of tender that melts everyone on contact, as it should be. Evolution is fucking smart. Evolution's message: guard this above all. This is your future. But, but and but, give her a mind so she chooses wisely: just like any female mammal endowed with claws & teeth—and she has a mind, too, the most powerful weapon of all. That's a whole other part of evolution

In an important part of the world, primitive human culture still dominates. Men dominate, the patriarchy that likes their female slaves—to raise as salaves in perpetuity. Getting animally objective, they penetrate females with erect penises at their sole discretion, and no doesn't ever mean "No," it means: now you get it even harder. I don't for sure know how it tuns for them in all intimacy—if such a dominant hierarchy could even logically allow for it—or if there's even ever the willful tenderness that Enlightenment demands—but I'll never forget the first time a pair of panties were pulled down in complete volition for my exclusive enjoyment. I like to think I earned it. I also like to think of the entire Islamic world as  bunch of pussy wankers, because I lived in a world where that competition was ready to go at 20ya, like a college football game, and you silly do-nothing wankers want to debase yourselves by living in the injustice your whole lives, denying yourselves the human male victory of a hot girl pulling it down for you, because she wants you? You don't know what that's like? So sorry, wankers. Pathetic pussies. Earn it, or someone else will. Fix your fucking dog-shit—with emphasis on dog and shit—14th Century Dirt Scratching "culture." (culture, quoted, is also in small, 4-pt type, in case your browser is Islamic)

Guys: There's pussy in it at the end of the rainbow. ...And there's nothing like earned pussy.

Modern, privileged, western purveyors of misogyny awareness—al-la young, stupid bitches with little life experience—have nothing on this and little insight, being so inward focussed over their own "troubles." But they screech louder, as to drown out the real injustices, in favor of their entitled rejected selves...like the stupid cunts they kinda wish to be perceived as for leverage...while predictably objecting loudly when they're taken that way.

...But ought they really be regareded any other way than that which they actually vie for? Aren't they, really, just daring you to come out with it? Ought their pathetic sense of entitlement and "injustice" overrule good mature sense when someone takes them for who they are? ...Or ought they get what they want, so they can commiserate about the general "injustice" of privileged society with other privileged, but commonly rejected young ones? And let chips fall?

Let's see. I've so far written about the worst form of indoctrination, dabbled in the effects of indoctrination on young 20-something girls with pitiful life experience, and so why not delve into Paleo indoctrination? I'd call them robotic, but Screeching Monkeys in the Jungle, while cumbersome, is more Paleo and well, it has to be Paleo. But let's review the worst of indoctrination first. I transcribed the video, but without the extra-English-translation. The first phrase is from the teacher to the adorable woman-child.

You are going to recite a poem, which also teaches us responsibility and belonging.

The occupier stole my land and my grandfather's land
Where is your sword, Khaled?
Where is your courage, Saladin?
But no one answered me.
Where is my weapon? I found it—a stone.
I took it and threw it at the enemies of disunity.
I taught the world that the Muslim in the name of Allah cannot be defeated.
They challenge us with the White House,
and we challenge them with the awakening and the kaaba.
They aren't stronger than Khosrau and Ceasar.
They are inferior and smaller, more cowardly and despised.
They are remnants of the crusaders,
and Khaibar.
Oh Muslims of the world:
Awaken, you have slept too long.
Your fathers and your sons are being massacred.

I'm awful at this sort of thing...LeonRover and Marie being frequent, well read literary intellectuals in comments in my blog who could shame me at the flick of a clipped pinky nail can do better on an average night of awful sleep. Nonetheless, from the standpoint of a rational culture that ultimately puts religion and its baggage to the backseat, and Mother Goose to plain metaphor, I must try to offer a better outlook and human paradigm for this woman-child.

Shit happens.
Every race and ethnicity experienced injustice here or then, time and place; a long time ago, or even recently.
All peoples are one; in one way, that their tribes have been defiled.
Some said that's life. They looked ahead instead.
They moved on to create civilizations better, for their loved children and themselves.
It was so giddy at first, that some even went to the moon of the Earth, and came back safely.
They could have burned their resentments of life in effigy, instead.
It's nothing like going to the moon and back.
I didn't do it myself it's strangely easy to take for granted.
When you don't take humanity for amazing, rather than a trinket.

Even if she'll never hear it, what alternative human life paradigm can you offer for her life and those little ones like her? I did my best and I know there's a thousand hearts out there who can do better. Give it a shot, if nothing else, to make yourself feel better because that may be all you've got. Depressing.

So is this. Depressing. People wondered if my ban from IPMG (International Paleo Movement Group) on Facebook was my motivation for my Declaration. Yes, and no, to borrow a rarely used phrase. Yes, in the sense that it was the final straw. No, in that this had been brewing anyway.

I have 27 emails in a folder. I received all of them inside of 3-5 minutes of posting this to the group. How?

Well, some time ago, and I don't really recall how or why, but I got wind of the group. Active, about 2-2,500 members. I ought to have suspected something when I realized you actually have to be accepted as a member. I did. And got accepted. I also might have gotten over myself that Paleo babes were showing their tush in underwears as a matter of routine.

It was just a contest. But I thought, cool, something different, let's promote for the general thingy, and so I did, with a post (now deleted).

Their membership quickly rose to over 3,000 and I'd guess I got them somewhere between 700-1,000 new members. Tim Swart did thank me for that. Never heard a whisper from Joe Salama or Karen Pendergrass that I recall. In fact, I've never ever heard a word in any direction from either of them that I can remotely recall.

I stopped in now and then, but very soon saw weird doctrinal shit, like people being castigated for even mentioning anything not pure "Paleo." I didn't make a stink. Instead, I just went to ground and thought, well, I got them a ton of new members so I'll just shoot up a link to a new post now and then, but not too often.

Screeching Monkeys. In the Jungle. It's Pure Paleo™

Yep, I posted that post, the full context of which includes a 40-minute video. In no way do I require anyone to read or watch a video, but a post that takes a minimum of a few minutes to read, a a video of 40 minutes? Fair? Otherwise, shut the fuck up and suck the fuck up. I have the time stamps. Within 3 minutes of posting, I have 27 comments, all 100% ignorant, negative, and as soon as I began to shoot back—2 minutes—banned (now blocked, can't even see the public page—but of course I have means). It was probably by Karen Pendergrass who, like any other ignorant moron, immediately comments that "it's offensive to Muslims" (that got her Yelps, I'm sure). Yelps, that posted graphic sure was supposed to be offensive to Muslims (not Jews, Christians, Hindus and Buddhists); can't even deal with plain cartoon. ...She was the one on the scene and hot on the ban button within a minute or so. Neither Joe Salama, LP*, nor Tim Swart, LP, said a word.

I don't give a shit about that, really, and had already dismissed IPMG as some proto-paleo deal where it's like children getting their religion-indoctrination on, and then they go to real interaction like in comments on my blog where people write in multiple sentences and stuff (even....PARAGRAPHS!). Perhaps 1-2% of IPMG would qualify, from what I saw of the moron, there.

I have awesome commenters that humble me, including those who take me to task, and when I just stop and think, there's only one thing to do, and that's just laugh at an utter pussy, fearful, unconfident stupidity like IPMG, as its cloistered moderators have designed it, to sit and rule, never answering. Think about it. You have to request membership and they are so fervent, that just out of the blue on an afternoon, they will ban someone for not upholding the orthodoxy—a simple contradiction in purpose and everything holy if you're "Paleo."

But everyone do what they like, judge as they like, give love or hate in comments as they like, as always. We're adults, here.

* Little Pussy

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Comments

  1. Richard,

    As I mentioned last time, people are chomping at the bit to be your “friend”. It sickens me when I see people unable to create things of there own volition and with there own capabilities. You did. You made it, now quit letting weaklings glom on. Quit allowing them success by proxy of knowing you. I like your rants and posts. They “sing” to me. Because YOU did it sans the mob. It is real grumpy, unadulterated uncensored Richard. The lampreys would change you to there image and we don’t want that.

    I say again, keep up the good work. Live free or your not living.

  2. I don’t dispute that the reaction on IPMG would have been reactionary and automatic, but how was that blog post of yours relevant to a Paleo group? Regardless of its merits, was it not off topic for that group?

    • Mike, I have the emails, I believe ther was one that was an off topic complaint. I’m also fairly well known as the guy who gave them a yoooooge bump in membership. I’ve also posted a few off topics in the past, getting the dispensation exchange I never abused.

  3. my impression . . .a lot of things are offensive to muslims . . .like cartoons of mohammed . . .

    but I guess not all the burning and destruction later

    infidels don’t count I guess

  4. People who allow religious doctrine to dictate their lives to the detriment of their well-being, or the well-being of others, well..those people are just stupid and primitive to me. They’ll die out as society evolves. I hope I’m long gone; I can’t take the stupidity anymore.

  5. And yet….. back when ‘europeans’ were scratching dirt, in one of today’s most repressive regions, that islamic culture a thousand years ago celebrated love and lovers, like this :

    (khayyam)”Were I a Sultan, say what greater bliss
    Were mine to summon to my side than this,—
    Dear gleaming face, far brighter than the moon!
    O Love! and this immortalizing kiss.
    .
    or like this, ca.800 years ago :

    (Hafiz) “Our union is like this:

    “You feel cold, so I reach for a blanket to cover our shivering feet.

    A hunger comes into your body, so I run to my garden and start digging potatoes.

    You asked for a few words of comfort and guidance and
    I quickly kneel by your side offering you a whole book as a gift.”

    – heh, that man sure “earned it” .

    • a thousand years ago. . .

      like the old saying goes . . .what have done for me lately?

      • For me, more like…

        Civilizations lost?

        Where, today otherwise?

        How sad. What a waste.

      • Yes, exactly.
        At the same time, they already have more ‘good’ paradigms than we can possibly come up with and of course huge numbers of muslims are well versed in them.
        So for the others, the violent, hate-filled, Leaders of the wild screechers (who with today’s weaponry have a long destructive reach) it’s a choice, because their own culture is rich with the alternatives.

      • On the other side of things, read the words of something like “Onward Christian Soldiers.”

      • Yes. The sword cuts on both sides.

  6. Perhaps my favorite, love not coerced:

    “Even
    After
    All this time
    The Sun never says to the Earth,

    “You owe me.”

    Look
    What happens
    With a love like that,
    It lights the whole sky.”
    ― حافظ (Hafiz)

  7. I’m all at sea with this post, man! I mean, I agree that many adherents of Islam are choosing a sadly reactionary approach, and that it’s creepy and sad from our Western perspective to see the effects of political indoctrination. She’s just like the awful little moppets in the Westboro Baptist gang, isn’t she? The Muslims certainly need to get off their couches and embrace the 21st century. There’s plenty of Halal pie for everyone if they would just put down their weapons and sit at the damn table. This kind of ingrained, societally-supported racism is exactly why I ultimately chose not to live in Israel. It’s everywhere there.

    But while you want liberation for Palestinian girls, you seem a bit conflicted about liberation for girls closer to home. Did you want to enjoy the victory of convincing a free woman to drop panties? Or did you want her to just shut up and quit whining so much about liberation and injustice? It seems like you want to access the pussy-licious fruits of a free Western lifestyle and philosophy, but without having to deal with the annoying side effect where everyone is allowed to express their own extremely annoying opinion. Well, I can certainly appreciate that position. I sometimes wish I could put a muffler over my sweetie’s head too. But really, I don’t see how you can get one without the other. I mean, guys in Saudi pretty much never ever have to put up with listening to bullshit from any woman. But then, they have to resort to throwing their phone numbers into the windows of passing cars to even come close to meeting a woman. The freedom you enjoy to penetrate and objectify women who actively encourage these things to happen, well, the price is that the women involved get to express their nutty, nutty opinions. Make up your mind! Free pussy, or quiet ladies? I don’t see how you get both at once.

  8. Richard, from what I can observe I think your position is becoming untenable. I see you as more and more isolated from the very things you try to engage. You state often that you want to be free but I think you are becoming less free.

    Your posts constantly push the envelope of what’s socially acceptable in language and like a 13 year old you seem to think insulting everyone you can think of is “freedom.” And you tell us that often when you engage others on the internet you end up banned or shunned in someway because you refuse to “behave” and you revel in this. Licence is not freedom.

    Atheism, evolution, sexual freedom, anarchism, libertarianism, individualism – these seem to be your positions of choice but I don’t see these as getting you what you want. Still you engage those who don’t agree with you – time and time again you rage against “the others” and to me this says you are not happy with your own positions.

    I’m just a nobody who knows very little about the world, and I certainly don’t know you at all. But I have read your posts on and off for a few years now so I have some idea of how you present yourself.

    I’m sorry to say you are increasingly incoherent when stating what you want, what you believe in, and when you post the most outrageous statements you revel in the congratulations of people who think like you do – while making fun of, or blasting those who disagree.

    I was sort of hoping to have some good discussions, some sharing of information, sources, and get into the nitty gritty of life issues but I don’t see that ever happening here. You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper.

    In all charity I really do wish you well. I hope someday you recover some faith, that you begin to see yourself as part of creation in the sense that we do have a Creator who loves us and whom we ought to love. Peace lies there.

    • Simon Carter says:

      Hi Barbara,
      You wrote, “Atheism, evolution, sexual freedom, anarchism, libertarianism, individualism – these seem to be your positions of choice but I don’t see these as getting you what you want. Still you engage those who don’t agree with you – time and time again you rage against “the others” and to me this says you are not happy with your own positions.”
      I don’t think you get Richard at all. I don’t think he is looking for happiness or final answers. Remember that he is an atheist who used to have faith. I also am an atheist who used to believe in God. That is gone for me now, but I remember how nice it was to have that warm blanket of faith. So for us atheists, this life is it, one shot, we have to make the most of it. That is what Richard is doing in his own unique way, leading an interesting life of meaning to him.

    • Barbara

      Hey, we come from completely different world views. I have been in yours, I prefer mine for 20 years now without a second of regret or looking back. When I write, I always try to put the most extreme, radical spin on it because I want readers to care, one way or the other, discuss, better understand their positions or those they’re arguing with, and synthesize. And I do think my comment sections are the best in all of “paleo” and some of the best on the web in terms of openness, frankness, diversity of view, etc.

      I often think that taken together, the value of comment threads far outweigh the value of the post that kicked it off.

      • “And I do think my comment sections are the best in all of “paleo” and some of the best on the web in terms of openness, frankness, diversity of view, etc.”

        Richard, that’s where I must disagree. Whenever things start to get interesting someone pops up with a glib unsubstantiated statement of the stupidest kind and then we’re off the rails yet again.

        You’ve got “openness,” granted, but openness to say nasty, rude things and use vile language – but for what purpose?

        There have been some follow-up comments from some of your readers but they quickly get sidetracked and I’ve noticed your readership slipping whenever you get on your rant soapbox. You are not at your best then.

        Can I make one more comment? You advocate freedom and your motto is “Die Biting The Throat” right? Well what if the father of the little girl in your clip has the motto: “I’ll die Biting The Throat of Anyone Who Tries To Tell Me How and What to Teach My Child?”

        And my last one. Here’s a lion biting the throat of a water buffalo. He’s not gonna let go no matter how many times he gets kicked in the head because that’s what he does. And he’ll die biting that throat. Now here’s Richard biting the throat of that little girl’s father. The father has a gun to Richard’s head. Stand-off. I’ll bet, Richard, that you are not going to rely on “freeing your animal” here. You are going to be a human being and use your reason.

        I just wish you would SOMETIMES be less animal and more reasoning human being. Pace!! (sorry can’t do the “accent”

      • “Richard, that’s where I must disagree. Whenever things start to get interesting someone pops up with a glib unsubstantiated statement of the stupidest kind and then we’re off the rails yet again.”

        Barbara Barbara. I cultivate comments. Lots of comments. That you don’t get things your way when you come in asserting that the problem is that every dog is a false dog but your dog, it ought to be expected, given the rational culture I cultivate, but with lots of disagreement.

        We deal with sense perception, precepts and hierarchies of concepts around here, ans its not easy for anyone, me included. We do all of this ourselves, and tend to pat people on the head who “know” stuff because someone in fancy clothes and a funny hat told them so.

        In short, this is all about individual minds. Everyone is welcome to rise to the challenge.

        …and BTW, my soapbox posts are not only those most commented on, but those that bring on the most visitors and page views.

      • But would you comment on when your biting of the throat meets someone else’s biting of the throat? From my perspective we need to ask that question when we discuss freedom in the way it’s often discussed here. I mean as opposed to licence to do as we please, of course.

        “marc” has commented several times in the recent past that he feels social constraint when he must hold back feelings and comments – he’s even said that this can end in violence – I think he even dragged in CSI!! For him it seems to be all about “feelings” and when I pointed out to him that he surely must see that his “reason” should trump his feelings he sort of didn’t get it.

        But gee whizzzzzzz how do we have personal freedom, as I think you would like it to be, and social constraint? How do we rein in our freedom/feelings when there are 6 billion others out there who have perhaps conflicting ones? And do we allow Muslims to have theirs when they are at complete odds with ours? Even if they want to kill us, must we not allow them to have that goal if that’s what they “feel?”

        I think you mentioned once or twice that you see this blog as a release, sort of a safety valve (hope I’m not putting words in your mouth) but I want to ask “release from what?” What is it in your life that you are not free to do? Swear? Rant? Rave about muslims? Use potty words? If we all did these things when we “feel” like it what chaos we would see very soon.

        See Richard I really like this kind of exchange with you and others. It can be fun, and informative. I hope to be civil and charitable.

      • Very pressed for time right now, Barbara. Die biting the throat is just another way of saying go down fighting.

  9. Simon Carter says:

    It’s the International Paleo Movement Group on Facebook for crying out loud! Your post expressed your very strong opinions on RELIGION and POLITICS and included a cartoon that is sure to offend many people. Of course they banned you, get over it! Now stop dicking around and put up that recipe for beef liver you promised or I swear to God I will go check out Don Matesz!

  10. ” taught the world that the Muslim in the name of Allah cannot be defeated.”

    A quick history of “Allah”…..

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm
    http://www.truthbeknown.com/islam.htm#.UFsZBVF_X0c
    http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2886

    I find this shit fassinating…

    • Okay, Mark, now do Yahweh, El and the rest of the early Jewish pantheon!

      • Some notes stolen from places:

        From what I can tell Yahweh began as a pagan deity. He was one of many God’s in the Canaanite Elohim Pantheon as one of the son’s of El. And El was associated with Saturn. So when the priesthood of Yahweh usurped the former pantheon and raised Yahweh to universal deity status, so too were the Saturn attributes formerly associated with El Elyon given over to Yahweh. And the ten commandments belong to a much later period after the Sabbath / Saturn had been associated with Yahweh. So yes, there’s good reason to question whether or not the God of the bible is valid.

        In the Hebrew bible the first commandment reads “I Adoni am your
        god.” Adoni is the word translated as lord in the Christian version. In
        Greek Adon is lord. The oldest known version of the Old Testament is the Greek Septuagint. When the Hebrew version was created it kept the Adoni as the name of the god for some of the books although it generally defaults to Yahweh Elohim. Yahweh is translated into lord in English and Elohim as the singular god although it clearly has the plural suffix

        If anyone starts to research Yahweh in-depth they’ll quickly begin to find that he was a middle eastern storm deity, with vivid descriptions alluding to thunder, lighting, murmurings etc. If you’re willing to move a little deeper than that, you’ll start realizing that Yahweh was one God of many and that ancient Judaism had been polytheistic originally and that this polytheism had gone on for some time before the religious leaders of the priesthood faction devoted particularily to “Yahweh” rose to power and then took all of the former semitic Gods out of the temple. After this happened we see many references to Yahweh being a “Jealous God” who wants “no other Gods before me!” etc. etc.

        Yahweh turns out to be a member of the Ugaritic pantheon known as the “Elohim”, or simply “The Mighty Ones”. Apparently he was one of the many sons of El, or “El-Elyon” the Most High Father God, in the structure of this Ugaritic Pantheon of mythic Gods. Yahweh was the ‘son’ of El, not the supreme deity of the pantheon mind you. Now of course in the genesis myth where people get the idea that God created the world in six days and all other ideas about a monotheistic God creating this world and mankind in his own image, what we actually have is a reference to the “Elohim” creating the world in six days in this ancient semetic creation myth.

        A PBS movie
        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html?site=40&pl=qt&rate=hi&ch=6

        Now the whole issue of suggesting that “God created the world” is tied up in believing that these ancient pagan myths, that were later fashioned in a monotheistic tradition and then split off into break away monotheistic traditions, were completely literal. But if they were indeed completely literal then “Gods” literally created the world. So immediately there’s something very wrong with the popular Judeo-Christian notion of a single supreme being living in heaven who created this world.

        Well, from here, one could then look at the pagan myths and decide to figure out what they mean. If these older pagan motif’s are indeed the foundational origins of modern day monotheism then it stems to consider what they are. For one thing the number 7, and adding a zero to make 70, and so on, is a popular number in these old pagan myths which later became the dominant western monotheistic traditions according to scholarship. As we journey deeper down the rabbit hole here it becomes evident that the ancients observed 7 celestial bodies in the sky, or heavens if you will – 5 planets and 2 luminaries.

        The world was created in ‘seven days’ according to the ancient myth including the rest on ‘saturn’s day’. The semitic god “El”, of the Elohim, refers to the planet “Saturn” of course. The sun, moon, and stars, and natural elements are what M.P Hall was getting at when said that the vital forces of the universe were personified becoming the ancient Gods and Goddesses (Elohim) of ancient mythology.

        The Elohim, being personified man looking deities, create man in their own image. So we simply have something like Zeus and the Greek Gods creating humanity in the their image, but they are mythical figures representing the vital energies of existence right from the beginning. The priests anthropomorphized energies into being like figures and then had the being like figures creating humanity in their image. This was very circular of course.

      • But of course this is only the beginning of the story. Your history is so far so good but some of your conclusions are faulty. The PBS documentary is interesting but I certainly would not base MY world view on PBS. If you are really interested don’t stop the inquiry.

      • Karen Armstrong’s History of God is a really good read that thoughtful believers and atheists can both appreciate, I think. I really like it.

      • The inescapable conclusion is that the so-called monotheistic Abrahamic faiths were ALL cobbled together from various cultural artefacts, stories and myths. The Gawd of Judaism and Christianity was once a tribal thunder god, or perhaps even the incarnation of the power of the volcano on Sinai. The dividing line between those faiths and those it terms “pagan” is a fantasy. Little more than saying “our Gawd can beat up your gods.” The entire notion of a Gawd that is everywhere and everything is a slick argumentative sleight of hand to delegitimize countervailing claims of the superiority of other gods by competing faiths. Top trumps! “Well, Our Gawd is Infinity times Infinity!” And yet, people still find the time to pick and choose amongst these laughable faiths as though some were less deleterious to the mind than the others. “I mean, we’re soooooooo far past all that religious violence! It was like a whole 50 years ago that the Klan stopped lynching negroes. We’re progressive!”

      • The origin all all religiom summed up nicely – it doesn’t get any less complicated

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FRcCEZflIP4

      • lol – wrong link above

        http://vimeo.com/10815350#

      • If its so far so good – I guess you agree – God is a myth. Come on I found that PBS show in 30 seconds…. ;)

        The actual beginning of the story in in the video linked just below.

  11. no chicken liver with onions and potatoes if you must…

    The Linga is like an egg, and represents the ‘Brahmanda’ or the cosmic egg. Linga signifies that the creation is effected by the union of ‘Prakriti’ and ‘Purusha,’ the male and the female powers of Nature. Linga also signifies ‘Satya,’ ‘Jnana’ and ‘Ananta’ – Truth, knowledge and Infinity.

  12. In the spirit of independence I ate a sandwich this morning, first one in years, it was delicious.

  13. Here is a killer debate – even the Muslim has no idea he’s an idiot… But that the problem, they have no idea they are idiots.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/videos-features/robert-spencer-vs-nadir-ahmed-does-islam-teach-violence/

  14. To me the question to ask of all culture is something like this: “Does it teach me to be a dumbass?” The answer will always be affirmative, at which point we reach the really important question: “Where does it encourage me to be a dumbass?” If it encourages me to be a dumbass without hurting myself or others in really bad ways, then it might be worth keeping (e.g. all the cultures that perpetuate victimless crimes: instead of criminalizing pot, we should let it be). Otherwise, it needs to go away (before it leads me to detonate a bomb in your neighborhood over a stupid cartoon).

    • Astute, Joseph.

      Now integrate practical politics and voting. Less dumbass, for sure. Still dumbass.

    • But this is simplistic in the extreme. How do we differentiate between those who perpetrate violence and those who do not? In my country we’re taught to revere other cultures and “celebrate” what they have to offer. After all didn’t Muslim’s invent the Abacus? And Chess? And ….and….just ask them. I personally do not belong to that camp but that’s the prevailing view here and it’s government policy.

      So here we have a culture that is trying to live in the modern world and they are bumping into our world. Some of them are trying to take over our part by force. So, Joseph, their culture should go? What about the nut bars in your culture? Where did they come from? TV? Movie? “Culture” They didn’t just appear overnight like mushrooms. You grew them. So must American culture go?

      We have to dig a little deeper into what culture is, what religion is, what patriotism is, before we want to get rid of cultures “that each me to be a “dumbass” because there are dumbasses in all cultures.

      • “and it’s government policy.”

        Well, then, I guess that settles it.

      • You missed my point which I did not make clear. My government is made up primarily of liberal fools like yours. Their policy of appeasement of everything Moslim has made my country one I barely recognize and I don’t like it one bit.

        I ask my question again: Must American culture go because it produces nut bars as does the Muslim culture? I maintain Joseph’s point was simplistic not astute.

      • Every culture must “go” when the following generation inherits it (and decides what furniture to keep and what to give to Goodwill or burn on the lawn). English common law is a keeper. Appeasement of would-be theocrats (domestic or foreign) is not. Skepticism and curiosity and literature are worth keeping. Dogmatism is not. Language is worth keeping. Uncritical reverence for holy books is not. Freedom of speech is worth keeping. Fear that keeps us from confronting irrational, homicidal maniacs (foreign or domestic) is not.

      • “we’re taught to revere other cultures”

        Heck I don’t even revere my own culture. I can’t think of a single thing that I revere.

      • rob, are you an American? If not excuse me. But if you are I’m simply astonished, and quite saddened that you can’t think of a single thing that you revere about your country.

        Her people are some of the kindest anywhere. Your form of government, of used properly, is a very good one and the American people are responsive to it when given the chance. Hey, you can even vote if you want to.

        Your Arts and Culture are superb. Your scenery is wonderful, your entertainment ‘can’ be terrific, you treat pets kindly, most people love children, women are for the most part treated with respect, you have the freedom to say what you said in your comment.

        Gee and you couldn’t think of a single thing that you revere? If you are a Brit, or an Aussie, just think about your own stuff.

      • It’s not just my country, I don’t revere anything in the entire universe.

        I’m a man, I am the captain of my ship, why would I revere anything that exists?

      • I’m speechless at the vacuity of your statement.

      • If there is vacuity, it is in the eyes of the uncomprehending beholder.
        “Revere”, not “Like” or even “Appreciate”.
        The use of that word is simply funny.

      • Like I’ve said before, I am a breathtakingly shallow person.

      • and you’re the chick that Richard considers an “intellectual?” Heaven help us! Is it not possible to use words in different ways in your world?

        The fact that the fellow in question went right past the word, and insisted that he revered (liked, admired, appreciated what the heck difference does it make) not even one thing on my quick list says a lot – he didn’t even say “hey, I don’t revere those things but I sure like them — but he was all about “hey, I’m a MAN and I don’t gotta revere NOTHIN’ Whoooo doggggieeeesssss! what a world in which we live when you, and this fellow are the standard for commenters here.

      • A sense of humor Barbara. Get one.

      • Galina L. says:

        Barbara, It is a special blog for people who like to say whatever they have in mind at the moment, preferably provocative in order for somebody to take a bite . Unless you are somebody who enjoys to be provoked, you are an easy target. Just my thoughts, I am not criticizing anyone or suggest anything.

      • Galina L, I guess you are right. But what’s the point? Do people here just put up stuff to rattle each other’s cages?

        We say something outrageous to annoy or provoke and just sit back and wait to see who bites? Of course if it’s about Muslims or Christians so much the better. Then when someone reacts we all make fun of them. What a wonderful time we all have.

        And then we’re told to get a sense of humour. And most of this crap is written with bad grammar. You Galina usually have something interesting to say. I’ve read some of your comments on other blogs. Don’t know why you waste your time here. I think I’ll really give up this time. It truly is a total waste of time as nothing much seems to be going on here other than we all sit around and wait for Richard to say something awful.

        So he’s tossed us a bone – a liver and onion recipe. Wow.

      • “It truly is a total waste of time”

        I knew you’d get around to that eventually.

        Let me leave you with something.

        You came in here adamant abut false gods and the one true god. You’re not singing that tune here, now, anymore. I’m like Chinese. One step at a time. Patience. 1000 hear view on things.

      • Galina L. says:

        Barbara,
        Thank you for kindly appreciating what I had to say. I think you get too upset reading some comments because you take it 100% at a face value. When I said people here often say something provocative, I didn’t exactly meant they coldly and maliciously calculated how to push somebody’s buttons, but rather expressed their mood without any effort to be politically corrected or trying to smooth things down. It is like one lady friend could tell to another lady in a public place “OMG, I hate children so much! Lets go out of here, there are too many damn brats around”. I am sure some moms of brats(who are geniuses and princesses in mother’s eyes) could have their feelings heart if they had a chance to hear it, while the irritated lady didn’t have the real hatred in her heart, just a desire to be in a more relaxing environment. We do a lot of things that had to be done while we would rather do something else, bite our tong all the time while being around people. I think many come to Richard’s blog to went out some of suppressed emotions without being afraid of usual social consequences. Watching people letting the steam out is what to expect here.

        I have some politically wrong things to say as well, I have my own biases, for example I think that it is impossible to be truly religious without some degree of a brain damage, but I have to pretend around other people that I respect their faith, also in my mind I logically understand why people say prayers, go to church, believe into going to heaven. I suppress my deep disapproval of what I think is a mass stupidity, and feel better when I can say something about how I feel around family members, friends and on blogs. I did’t read all comments here. I hope you are not a deep believer, in my comment I don’t want to push your buttons, just expressing how I feel about some particular issue.
        I am also a cooking nut and I dislike vegetarians.

      • Leaving so soon? Figures.

      • Some parts of American culture definitely must go (before they kill us), and have already gone. In the nineteenth century, we settled serious disputes (between individuals and collectives) with violence (e.g. armed secession from the Union by the Confederacy and the Mormon pioneers). Today, more of us go to law (or some other relatively peaceful arbiter) than to the battlefield (among ourselves: we still fight with foreigners).

        There will always be dumbasses. The point of culture is help you be a dumbass without killing yourself and everybody else in the process. The nice thing about American “consumerism” is that you can (quoting George Carlin) “pick your nose, scratch your ass, and buy a pair of sneakers with lights in them” instead of “pick your nose, scratch your ass, and blow us all to kingdom come.” We actually have invented a number of (comparatively!) harmless ways to be stupid in America. It is a talent we have, a talent that is completely wasted when we try to take ourselves seriously as world policeman. (“Hey! Have some cool sneakers and worship Jesus instead of Allah! Or we’ll blow your head off!”)

        Culture done right, I still maintain, is all about channeling inevitable human stupidity into minimally harmful outlets.

      • If you’re going to quote Carlin, all you need is this quote. It contains life, the universe and everything:

        “Think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that!”

      • Galina L. says:

        Most of the time patriotism is a polite tern for close minded.

  15. Culture is emphatically not something to revere. You can feel sorry for individuals, and even respect some of them for bearing up well, but reverence is a dangerous “virtue.” It has a tendency to degrade into the worst (i.e. the most dangerous) kind of stupidity.

    • I think appreciation admiration is a better word. Much about Asian and Euro cultured I appreciate, same with Hispanic.

      • I agree. For me what matters is not the word, but the context (and inevitable connotation). Reverence has come to hold too little critical judgement, generally speaking, to be a useful word in my vocabulary: if I do use it, I mean something less than the testy insistence that society worship (or at least pretend to worship) uncritically at the altar of some idol (Greek eidolon) that they have determined to be the image of perfection (as though such a thing existed or could exist).

  16. Humans is worst mistake evolution ever make. Probably is ultimately to be fatal mistake. You go outside natural selections, you out of balance with you habitats and you can no even live in harmonies with you own selfs let alone other creature. …You does make some good TV shows though.

    • Humans are a natural species everything humans do is always natural.
      Evolution is a process not a being so no mistake was made.

      • Yes, well terrorism, Hostess snacking cakes and fungal outcropping on my dongus is ‘natural’ also, but still should be erradicated, yes?

        Maybe human will survive, I just think, to using you analogy, Marie, that you big fat brains is still way too stupid to lives.

    • Cow, maybe is hope : evolution is not finished, it never finish.
      Humans is like one child, growing up. Right now, dangerous teen-ager stage, a lot knowledge but only a little judgment. Wait. Either humans grows-up, or dies – I just hope won’t make all cows and creatures die too! :-).

    • Cow, do you realize YOU are a human? And if you believe in evolution, you are the natural product of that evolution. So how can that be a mistake? This is natural selection. Now, what humans DO is another matter but please don’t fall into that PETA rant of saying that humans are the problem.

      If we don’t live in harmony with other creatures on the planet it is because we don’t use the minds we have. Not because we are natures mistake. Big difference.

  17. OH, and my students want plush animal looks like you for lab mascot- you so cute and smart and funny! Anywhere I can get one?

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