Round Two of the Jimmy Moore & David Duke Controversy

[For an update, please see: Lemons to Lemonade Documentary - Ed]

I'll open with a comment to my last post from Sean Abbott who blogs at Prague Stepchild.

I find it pretty hard to believe that Jimmy has never heard of David Duke. I’ve definitely heard of him and I’m not from the South, but I think I’m around the same age. I’m pretty sure it was when Duke was running for governor, and doing pretty well, that he hit national notoriety.

On the other hand, I’ve listened to a lot of Jimmy Moore podcasts, and corresponded with him in email, and he strikes me as a very straightforward guy. I simply don’t buy that he’s a devious crypto-nazi or that he does much in the way of lying in general. Unless my bullshit meter is seriously broken, and I have no reason to think it is, my gut feeling is to believe him.

To figure out who you were talking about I had to Google it and Melissa’s bile aggregator site came up first, where Jimmy’s already been convicted without a shadow of a doubt in the court of PC doublethink. I just looked briefly, but there were some Duke quotes that would be perfectly acceptable had they been said by someone like Sharpton, with the appropriate nouns changed.

I don’t know if Duke is a neo-Nazi or just a white supremacist, but talking to a Nazi doesn’t make you one, of course. Here in Europe it’s still fashionable to be a Maoist, never mind that he killed way more people than Hitler. I remember hearing an interview with the band Alabama 3, on the BBC, who style themselves as Maoist and have a song riffing Mao, “Mao Tse Tung Said”, on the same album as their hit song that got used for the Sopranos. The band was joking about how their tour of the American South was a failure because these rednecks weren’t interested in their Maoist rap/country/blues music. Neither the BBC, nor the producers of the Sopranos, were worried about any sort of stigma of chatting with and plugging these followers of a mass murderer, for as long as he’s a left wing mass murderer, there’s not going to be any stigma (not that Hitler was especially right-wing of course).

Not that I care, I have Cold Harbour Lane and it’s a great fucking album. Having lived in Hollywood, and spent a lot of time around musicians, they are the last people on Earth whose political opinions I give a shit about, by and large.

A3 is just one example of hundreds here in Europe. The amount of Maoists or semi-reformed Maoists in Sweden’s pseudo-intelligentsia is simply stunning. And here in the Czech Republic, a country that suffered under imperialist communism Nazism is way more taboo than Stalinism.

It is simply amazing the hypocrisy of the PC mainstream left-leaning culture which tells us which mass murderers it’s okay to adore, and which ones ought to be cast into the furthest pits of hell. As far as I’m concerned, they were all statist war-mongering assholes.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy a Che Guevara shirt.

Ha, I still get lots of Google hits over my post in 2005: Che Guevara, Murderer.

While Sean and I get into our kerfuffles now and then in comments, he's really pretty good at never being susceptible to what I was perhaps somewhat susceptible to in my last post: Thanks Jimmy and LLVLC Readers for Making My Book #3 In 2012, Even if You Are a Neo-NAZI.

Since that post and a good part of the roughly 100 comments so far, the plot has thickened. Besides Melissa McEwen's VictimSaga blog that's already been mentioned, CarbInsane put out a post right on the heels of mine that links here: JimKKKins: The Saga of Jimmy Moore and David Duke. In comments on a previous post she said she'd be doing this on Sunday (tomorrow). I guess she hurried up, wanting to catch my wave of unbridled controversy. Of course, it's only me who's into a bit of healthy controversy and the attention it attracts—certainly not someone devoted to the truth and only the truth like Evelyn. I'm all about traffic. She, all about public service. Her commenters are all dialed in on that.

I've linked up those other posts for only one reason, which is the basic object of this post and what goes to the lead-off comment by Sean. Go read those comments if you like, and especially CarbInsane. What you are going to find is the nicest example of bandwagon non-thinking, zero-distinction, collective mentality, binary thinking (good OR evil), political correctness (the biggie) groupthink imaginable.

It's an interesting study because I believe that not many people are going to care much that Jimmy, or Dr. William Davis, or Dr. Doug McGuff did an interview on David Duke's website in the context of health and nutrition.

Who cares? The Inquisition cares. And let's face it. That's what we're really dealing with.

They demand that you think in an approved way. That you come to the same conclusions they do, condemn what they condemn. That like them, you have a clear understanding of what's approved evil and what's approved virtue. But more than that, everyone is basically scared shitless to do anything other than a variation on a "me too" comment. Pathetic. I adore that they hate me, hate this blog. I want none of them. They can't handle the sort of wild discourse here, where it doesn't matter really that some commenter finds some value in a thing or other about what David Duke preaches. They want an echo chamber and nothing less will do. They're afraid!

But I got caught up a bit myself, into this sewer of knee-jerk, automatic, non-discerning condemnation and I'm indebted to Sean for making me consider that I perhaps wasted an opportunity to make a much better first post on the issue—because I only really care about open ended paradigms, and not narrow-context, damn the heretic catechism as preached by Melissa, CarbInsane and Wooo.

What do I think of Duke? Minimally from what I can tell, a racist / separatist, someone with an irrational, conspiratorial fear of a Jewish conspiracy to control everything. What does that mean? It means I have no sincere interest. There's no value there for me that I can detect. I don't give a shit in the world about the color of anyone's skin, I don't care about pristine whites being diluted with black, brown, red or yellow skin (we'll all be light brown in the end), and I don't care that an ethnic culture that has seemed to gain a prowess in business, entrepreneurism, and the arts reaps the benefits of that prowess and uses their influence as best they can. To put a perfectly practical and not moral spin on it: I'm never interested in those who preach putting cats back in bags. I'm just as uninterested in those who make a huge deal over those advocating same—because you can't put cats back in bags.

What if Jimmy even did know what Duke was about? I don't believe he did but what if? From reports of even those who are no Jimmy fans, he stuck with the topic. According to his latest post—If I’m A Neo-Nazi, Then I Guess Dr. William Davis And Dr. Doug McGuff Are Too?—so did Davis and McGuff. And according to that post, Jimmy declined an invitation to come back on and discuss things beyond diet.

Missionary? Or, is the fear over being tagged with anything Politically Incorrect so strong that everyone is paralyzed in fear over even thinking it? People used to fear the Gulag over wrong thinking. Now, they have the luxury of just getting to be in the in-crowd by spewing the party line.

You: Melissa, CarbInsanity, Wooo, and mostly all of your commenters....Priests of doctrine with a choir all singing the same tune backing you up. ...What a pathetic lot you and your sycophants are.

Open with Sean and close with Sean. Yea, isn't it amazing how the intelligentsia is still steeped in commie doctrine? I never tire of linking up Professor Rummel, whose life's work is in documenting the hundreds of millions killed by the sorts of regimes still heralded by our universities? Isn't it amazing?

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT, By R.J. Rummel

I BACKGROUND

2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS

4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS

8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS

15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

But let's get all up in arms over David Duke who, near as I can tell, irrationally wants to put the cat back in the bag, keep the races separate, and keep the Jews away. It's so awful by comparison.

Comments

  1. December 12 he knew without a doubt, he then linked to him anyway on December 22 and now claims he didn’t know? Why would he decline another interview if he was so clueless?

    http://paleodrama.tumblr.com/

  2. I feel like I’m witnessing some sort of downward spiral…

    • This is a repeat of the crap he pulled years ago with Kimkins. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

      • To quote Jimbo: “Yep.”

        Jimmy lies until it’s no longer practical/feasible. Then he deletes and obfuscates. Then he over-explains in blog posts eerily reminiscent of his massive data-dumps. Then, when he realizes no one is buying his brand of bullshit, he tearfully apologizes.

        Sounds kind of like one of those televangelists, doesn’t it?

      • Witness three morons full of shit. In ways too numerous to count, most funny, naive, and exposing their inexperience.

      • Give me a break, Richard, you know damn well Jimmy’s the Dale Carnegie of nutrition – all style (such as it is), no substance. You KNOW he doesn’t even understand the science behind what he believes in and promotes. Your defense of him is simply a business decision – nothing more. He scratches your back; you scratch his. Why call it anything else? By backing slippery infomercial-bloggers like Moore you seriously damage your well-deserved reputation for intellectual honesty and personal integrity. But I guess if he helps sell your book, what the hey…

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Not buying it, Rich.

        Writes Jimmy Moore: “Let me be VERY clear–I DO NOT AGREE WITH DAVID DUKE ON ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES NUTRITION!”

        – No, Jim; there’s something else: you agree with David Duke that David Duke is someone whose opinions are an objective value to your audience.

        Wrong. And you should know better.

        I could care less if some racist asshole shithead likes eating steaks or prefers smooth peanut-butter to crunchy. Fuck ‘em.

      • Do you have any idea how shrill you sound while screeching out this crud?

        Why on earth would you not want EVERYONE to know the truth about good food and healthy eating given the poor state of American’s health currently.
        So you disagree with Duke, big deal. It’s not exactly a position that takes much courage, is it?
        But to demand that Jimmy Moore (or anyone else) speak bout this important material only to a ‘pre-approved’ list of people is weak and wimpy madness.

      • My post is about the double standard, Mike. Some assholes are approved for admiration, some not and those not approved are a forbidden topic.

        I mean it’s pretty much as simple as Sean’s last line in the quote. When I see college commies burning their Che tshirts and condemning him and other murderous “revolutionaries” for the “people’s army” then I’ll believe thats it’s really about the awful message professed by someone like Duke and not a politically correct agenda.

        Another example, Walter Duranty, who falsified his NYT reporting on the Soviet Union, covering up widespread famine, for which he won a Pulitzer. NYT has acknowledged the falsification but has made no move to have the award revoked.

      • Ev Lynne:

        I dislike guilt by association, inquisitorial dog piles, PC bullshit, groupthink, etc. I hate double standards.

        I see all of that going on in spades. I recently criticized Jimmy pretty forcefully for his stuff about “nutritional ketosis” and comparing protein to chocolate cake in his speech in Australia. You can look it up.

        I have also criticized the LC doctrine that calories don’t count and in several posts have stated my support for the idea that Paleo and LC are not wed to each other, nore should be.

        I call them as I see them as regards Jimmy. Few others can say that. For the vast majority, he’s either a saint or the devil. I see him as neither.

      • Mike Schneider says:

        “My post is about the double standard, Mike. Some assholes are approved for admiration, some not and those not approved are a forbidden topic.”

        – Rich, my heart just bleeds for all those nazis whining that they’re not getting enough airtime relative to the commie assholes.

        Fuck ‘em. This is NOT a debate over whether or not, say, government ought to be denying them the right to project their views (this is the debate they’ll always want to segue into). That’s a different topic.

        The difference between a band like Alabama 3 and David Duke is that the band became famous for having music worth listening to while David Duke achieved notoriety BECAUSE he was a racist asshole shithead.

        If a music show had Alabama 3 on to talk about their music, that’d make sense. But David Duke has nothing to add on any subject because he is not a credible authority on anything.

        It’d be like a militant vegetarian interviewing Hitler for recipes — fucking *why*?

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Mary: “Why on earth would you not want EVERYONE to know the truth about good food and healthy eating given the poor state of American’s health currently.”

        Your logic is as follows:

        1) “I like puppies!”
        2) “Hugo Chavez says he likes puppies.”
        3) “I’m interviewing Hugo Chavez about puppies because people need to know the truth about puppies!”

        Result: you end up looking like a fool to your audience because you gave Hugo Chavez the time of day while leaving real puppy experts out in the cold and de facto flipping the bird to oppressed Venezuelans.

        – That’s what Jimmy did; and you’re defending it because you’re unable to realize that David Duke’s opinions on the subject can ONLY damage the credibility of the interviewer as well as the perceived worthiness (in the eyes of those who don’t know paleo but *do* know David Duke) of the goals the interviewer is trying to promote.

      • No Mike, it is your hysterical over-reaction to Jimmy doing a Paleo bit on a show with a host you simply don’t like. You are the one who “ends up looking like a fool” with statements like:
        “David Duke achieved notoriety BECAUSE he was a racist asshole shithead”.

        It is to laugh.

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Mary? If I were wrong, then that would logically imply that David Duke achieved notoriety for some other reason contrary to the one I cited.

        Go ahead and name it, if you can.

        I say you won’t, because you *can’t*.

      • He is famous because he was an elected official who was open about race-realism you dimwit, not because he hurt the feelers of whiners like you, lol….

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Bullshit; and you have now “outed” yourself.

        Thanks, Mary.

        I had a good hunch where you were really coming from, and it took barely 24 hours to pry it out of you.

      • “race-realism”

        There’s a code word for ya.

        I’m married to a full Hispanic. Both dad & mom’s families from Mexico (were I sit right now, in Cabo).

        I just love how real it gets, sometimes….but I don’t think that’s what Mary means.

      • One can only be “outed” if they are hiding, and I am not hiding anything Mike, so you are caught in yet another porky.

        And there is no “secret code” Richard, ‘Race Realism’ has been the term used by many in this arena for years now, take Jared Taylor of Amren:

        American Renaissance
        American Renaissance was published as a monthly print magazine from October 1990 through January 2012. All back issues are available here. AR has had a web presence since 1994, and we consider AmRen.com to be the Internet’s premier race-realist site. Every weekday we publish articles and news items from a world-wide race-realist perspective.

        Perhaps you or your wife has heard of ‘La Raza’, Richard? They too are ‘race realists’, but are agitating for Mexican interests. Part of their stated aims are to take over huge swaths the USA, but since you have stated your passive acceptance of the coming “browning” of America, I am guessing you don’t care? Well, a lot of people with children DO care about what kind of future awaits their offspring. Thankfully.

      • FYI
        Here’s a few members of ‘La Raza’ (THE RACE) the pro-Mexican outfit with stated aims of taking over large swaths of the USA.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLfmdxq53Qg

      • “Race realism” is euphemism for racism.

        And yes, racism applies to all racism, not just whites. Yes, I know all about the racist organization La Raza and got into it over that with my wife’s family back when Bustamente ran against Arnold for CA governor during the Gray Davis recall. La Raza also operates fraudulently. On campuses, they try to recruit Hispanics under the sole auspices of supporting higher education for more Hispanics yada yada. I looked at many La Raza sites for various campuses back at the time of that election and none of them mentioned anything about the underlying charter of La Raza.

        Is it not clear to you? Nobody gets a pass on racism with me. Nobody, ever. And again, I don’t give the slightest flying fuck about the color of anyone’s skin, ever. I also appreciate many cultural differences, though not all. I think some cultures are very poor, inferior. However, cultures also exist on many levels and are not necessarily dependent upon racial boundaries. In other words there is a “meta American culture” that anyone of any race can be a part of: “American spirit, American Dream, Can-Do,” etc, etc.

      • Ya got me Mary. La Raza are even bigger assholes than you, but at least they’re specific. All I’ve heard from you is a bunch of pissing and moaning.

    • “I feel like I’m witnessing some sort of downward spiral…”

      I find it absolutely hilarious, the comments over on Carbsane, people proclaiming that Jimmy is finally toast, as though anyone but them and Evelyn’s small devoted choir of sycophants care about their judgment or opinions.

      I certainly don’t think my opinion on the matter is going to change a single mind. It’s up here because it’s a hot topic and I like to provide a more open forum for such things. I doubt this will be anything but a bump in the road for Jimmy or anyone else.

      In general, people seem to way overestimate the impact of comments on a blog at large. Probably less than 1% of regular readers comment here, and most of my traffic is from first time visitors via Google. They either like what they see and become regulars, or they don’t and life moves on.

  3. Is it just me, or is anyone else reminded of the stoning scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian? With Melissa, Evelyn and Woo throwing the stones.

  4. So awful by comparison? No, I suppose not. Duke is not Mao, Stalin, or any other genocidal despot. But why make the comparison? Awful is awful. I don’t think we need to argue that “racist bigot” falls somewhere beneath “mass murderer”; of course it does. But that doesn’t suddenly make Duke an ok guy.

    And really, why are we still talking about Jimmy? If the “real food” movement wants to be rid of him – and it should, I think – then let’s stop discussing him so damn much. He’s a salesman (which is fine) with nothing to offer but bullshit pseudoscience (which is not).

    Short version: Fuck this, back to potatoes.

    • I reckon these guys love this shit far more than potatoes. It is the only thing paleodrama got right. Nikoley, Melissa, Evelyn (etc) thrive when things get personal. It’s their soma.

    • Mike Schneider says:

      “He’s a salesman (which is fine) with nothing to offer but bullshit pseudoscience (which is not). Short version: Fuck this, back to potatoes.”

      BINGO. Have a Cuban.

      Here’s the kind of person paleos *should* be interviewing: actual scientists like Chris Masterjohn (who contributes regularly to WAPF): http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/author/CMASTERJO/

      • Just to be clear, Jimmy didn’t interview Duke, he was interviewed on Duke’s program.

        Jimmy has interviewed Masterjohn numerous times, and dozens of other doctors, scientists and researchers on his podcast.

        At last year’s LC Cruise which Jimmy puts together every year, Masterjohn was a featured guest and speaker.

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Good to know Masterjohn is getting recognition outside of dry lecture halls attended by the already-converted.

        But Jimmy should have known enough to turn Duke down no matter how fat the check.

        Duke is, was, and always will be a racist asshole shithead — it’s his defining characteristic and self-groomed public persona. I.e., when he went to Tehran to attend a holocaust-denial conference orchestrated by the Hitler-quoting Iranian president, it wasn’t to promote any newly-claimed paleo diet.

      • lol, what’s with the emotional over-reaction Mike? Why so riled up over this non-event?

        And shouldn’t you have checked to see if Masterjohn had already been interviewed by Jimmy before you started screeching for him to do so? Guess even self proclaimed ‘smarties’ likes you make mistakes, huh…….

      • Ps: You suggest here that Jimmy received a “fat check” for being interviewed by Duke. Care to share where you got this info and/or how you know he was paid? Or did you just make that bit up as you went along?

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Well, it was certainly fatter than the one I got for showing up in person to facilitate the David Duke rehabilitation project.

      • So you admit at last that yer talkin absolute crap? You have no proof he was paid anything at all for that interview.

  5. So, wait, what IS the controversy here, really ?

    David Duke is going paleo, that’s what the true controversy is. Some people strongly dislike it, because they feel that somehow they are being actively associated with this mumbling, hate-mongering idiot David – hence the shrieks and leaps and knee-jerk purity-piss contests being thrown around.

    I for one couldn’t care less, I hope someday everyone will go paleo, good bad or ugly.

    AFAIK Jimmy always links to interviews he does with other media, so why wouldn’t he this one time ?

    • Finally, a sane comment.

    • Mike Schneider says:

      “David Duke is going paleo, that’s what the true controversy is.”

      Wrong. David Duke was thrown a credibility life-preserver by some idiot.

      “AFAIK Jimmy always links to interviews he does with other media, so why wouldn’t he this one time?”

      I would surmise that it has dawned on Jimmy that he did something idiotic, and he is taking out the trash as quickly as possible.

      This is called “learning”.

      • All Jimmy has done is felt the first ‘nip of the wringer’ that is the hysterical witchburners MO, and acted accordingly to move himself and his family into calmer waters. I don’t blame him one bit given the insanity spewing forth against him for merely talking about Paleo on a show you and your band of PC bananabrains have deemed ‘untouchable’.

      • Mike Schneider says:

        PC has nothing to do with it, Mary.

      • Yes it does.

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Oh wait, but you’ve outed yourself as a Duke-lover, so really: we’re done here.

      • My post has a lot to do with PC. I don’t speak for Mary.

  6. AminoKing says:

    Well fuck me. Please shoot me (one shot, large caliber in the back of the head) if you ever see me arguing with a fool.

    And because I know you love bromides Richard :) “argue with a fool and that makes two”.

  7. Gabriella Kadar says:

    Wasn’t America first settled by Puritans?

    It’s pathetic that there are people who feel the need to interpret events ‘correctly’ for others as if most of the rest of the universe is incapable of critical thought. Seems to me that there is only a fossilized minority that are independent thought deficient. The rest is nothing more than ‘the show must go on’.

    So, when is the witchburning?

    • “So, when is the witchburning?”

      Right after the inquisition.

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Like: “So, when is it Holocaust-denial?”

        Right after the Holocaust.

        David Duke is a Holocaust-denier.

        – Go ahead: give him a “I’m a Paleo!” T-shirt, and see how much it helps.

        Gooood fucking luck.

      • So what?
        Fact is there are many people in jail and having their lives ruined via Government tyranny and harassment for merely questioning certain claims/details regarding the “Holocaust”** TM. Look at this man in France and how things have been for him for daring to give voice to some of his doubts:
        http://thewhitenetwork.com/2012/08/18/vincent-reynouard-new-work-and-censorship/
        And he is one of many.

        Americans are meant to have Freedom of Speech, no?

      • Mike Schneider says:

        “So what”?

        I guess it really depends upon whether or not you enjoy having your subject of interest hijacked by whining Nazis (for whom European government censorship is the best thing that ever happened, given that now they can pretend to be victims).

      • lol@ crying over your “subject of interest” discussed by people you don’t like.

        Grow up Mike.

      • I don’t see anyone defending Duke or holocaust-denial.

        What I do see by the PC pearl-clutchers is a defense of mass-murderers like Mao and Che. It is a defense by omission, since these these murderers can be openly endorsed and pearls will most assuredly not be clutched. But have a conversation with a neo-nazi, whether or not you were aware he was a neo-nazi, and you have committed the most terrible offense imaginable.

        What was the Great Leap Forward if not a holocaust? Does that make the BBC guilty of holocaust-denial for interviewing A3 or Swedish TV (or the Swedish establishment in general) for interviewing Jan Gillou?

        Pointing out hypocritical witch-hunt mentality is exactly the same thing as sending David Duke a paleo t-shirt? Logic, motherfucker, heard of it?

      • The idea that because Jimmy Moore was interviewed by David Duke, knowing who he is and what he stands for, automatically means he agrees with, or even condones, Duke’s philosophies is amusing. Jimmy has himself interviewed Carbsane – does that mean that Jimmy views himself as a fat, lying, cheating, money-grubbing charlatan with a horrifying lipid profile?

      • Jan

        +1

        BTW, has anyone just gone over there and looked at the post titles over the last week or so? What are there, like about 6 now specifically about this?

        It was that moment of having been away, then scrolling, then easily realizing I’d been a fool to ever entertain any of it.

        I’m better now. I just now published a big post on Vitamin D and God help me, that’s the sort of thing I’m doing from now on. Value add.

      • And then the oral sex?

        /if we’re doing Python, LET’S FUCKING DO IT RIGHT

  8. I haven’t seen any evidence that Jimmy is prejudiced, insulted any other race or religion.

    His podcast has certainly been open to all races and beliefs.

    In my dealings with him I have mentioned my mixxed native blood and that is where I draw some of my writing inspirations on food, and Jimmy saw fit to invite me to be a guest on his LC Convo show and continue to share many of my articles. Not the act of a racist. Never a hint if racism from him anywhere I can find.

    Sure, he didn’t immediately fall to his knees and grovel like everyone seems to want. He is guilty of pride, but in a world full of spineless keyboard warriors a bit of backbone is something I admire.

  9. I was curious and looked into stormfront years ago. Paleo is big over there in the nutrition/ lifestlye subforum. Leangains as well.

  10. I think the majority of people on all these forums are largely missing the point: Of COURSE Jimmy isn’t a racist/white supremacist. It’s silly to even entertain such speculations. The take-away here is that he made a calculated decision that his low carb/’nutritional ketosis’ religion was more important than whatever bigots happen to facilitate that message. He only backtracked – just like a politician after casting an unpopular vote – when the ensuing shitstorm became a net liability for him. THAT is what speaks to his character – and what makes LLVLC more of a franchise than anything else. I think with Jimmy there really is no ‘there’ there; he will believe what he has to believe, espouse what he has to espouse, to get his message to the most people possible. Fine, I suppose, if you treat the ‘message’ as something akin to Holy Revelation. Which he does. And therein lies the dysfunction.

    • Mike Schneider says:

      “The take-away here is that he made a calculated decision that his low carb/’nutritional ketosis’ religion was more important than whatever bigots happen to facilitate that message.”

      …the take-away is that he fucked up.

      “He only backtracked – just like a politician after casting an unpopular vote – when the ensuing shitstorm became a net liability for him.”

      …and there’s your evidence that he fucked up.

      No conversation including David Duke can, in the end, be about anything *except* David Duke and his repugnant agenda — David Duke is well aware of this going into the interview, and Jimmy was not.

    • I think you’re giving Jimmy too much credit. The dude is just not that bright. As far as I can tell he’s well-intentioned, but he is not particularly intelligent.

      I just don’t think he’s smart enough to engage in the machinations that you attribute to him.

  11. The concise version: he’s a model capitalist marketer. He will sell to whoever is buying.

    • ….heaven forbid!

    • Bingo! and he is free to do so.

      The problem I have with jimmy is the lying, deleting and trying to hide evidence, and just being a whiny finger pointing crybaby instead of being forthright and standing up like he had half a spine.

      • Exactly. If he were straightforward about his motives, well, fine. He can join the long list of shameless Web entrepreneurs. It’s the pattern of deleting whole exchanges, changing stories, shutting down free speech while claiming ‘higher’ ideals, and general obfuscation that’s so troubling. I wonder if he ever stops to ask himself why other Paleo Peeps like Robb Wolf, Art De Vany, Loren Cordain, etc. don’t have the legions of ‘haters’ that he seems to attract. It’s just too bad (for old Jimbo, anyway) that most people can detect bullshit a mile away.

  12. I have to agree with Gene above.

  13. Here is how it went down with me. My manager at Ultimate Exercise was contacted multiple times asking me for an interview. Dr. Duke described himself as a history professor at the American University in England. He stated that he conducted interviews that were used as content at various high quality websites and blogs. He billed himself as a supplier of content for news sites, and blogs and that he focused on cutting-edge content relating to politics, science and economics. I told my manager that I would not give an interview until I could see examples of his work. He provided links to a few interviews and articles at various websites that gave no indication of anything untoward. I agreed to do the interview. I did not find out I had granted an interview with THE Dr. David Duke until a few weeks later when someone I had done a consult with about a year prior, left a voicemail saying how much he enjoyed the interview and gave the name of the website. My wife and I were on the way to pick the kids up from school when I got this phone call. My wife was driving, so I looked up the website on my i-Phone. When I figured out what had happened, I felt like I was going to puke.

    Oddly, he was one of the best interviewers I have ever encountered, and the interview went very well. When the interview actually appeared, it was preceded by an introduction where Dr. Duke stated that the interview was done without me actually knowing his full identity. He said this was done so as not to bias my answers or make me uncomfortable. That may have been his intent, but had I had full knowledge of who he was, I would have declined the interview.

    However, the responsibility of due diligence is mine, and I must accept responsibility for this screw-up. If my being interviewed by this man has offended anyone, I deeply apologize. I apologize to my co-author John Little, I apologize to my wife and children, and all others who have affiliated with me or supported me along the way.

    • Jimmy Moore contacted David Duke himself, asking for an interview.

      You’re forgiven since even your handlers couldn’t manage a proper google search. Jimmy Moore wast told, in no uncertain terms, who Duke was on December 12th, after he’d linked to the broadcast. Then, with that information, he ignored it and linked to Duke’s website on December 22nd, encouraging his readers to check it out. He knew and is playing stupid for his readers, because if they stopped to think for two seconds, they’re realize they’re being had. HE IS STILL LINKING TO DAVID DUKE IN HIS SO CALLED APOLOGY!

    • Thanks Doug for the explanation and apology.

    • Well handled. Unlike Jimmy.

    • he was one of the best interviewers I have ever encountered, and the interview went very well.

      Pathetic to see you say how an interview that turned out to be “one of the best” is one you would have turned down now only to appease the Pc-crying gang.

      You would have gained my respect had you just said it was a brilliant interview , but that you don’t agree with Duke’s politics, and left it at that.

      Amazing how easy it is to make grown men grovel these days.

      • Mary:

        Doug thinks Duke is a shithead. I agree.

        On a completely practical level, it would be unfortunate and regrettable for either I or Doug to give an interview to a shithead….and, a shithead who goes out of his way to FOOL you into an interview on topics that are beyond his stock in trade.

        So, a question. What do you think about Duke explicitly deceiving Doug with lies in order to get an interview? Are the blackies and brownies and jews so bad that “serious measures are called for?”

      • Funny how you claim you don’t know anything about Duke on the previous thread (and desire to remain blissfully ignorant about his ideas, I might add) and yet now all of a sudden Duke is a “shithead”! Please.

        Oddly, he was one of the best interviewers I have ever encountered, and the interview went very well. When the interview actually appeared, it was preceded by an introduction where Dr. Duke stated that the interview was done without me actually knowing his full identity. He said this was done so as not to bias my answers or make me uncomfortable.

        It is not Duke’s responsibility to make other’s decisions for them. He knows (as does anyone following this bullshit ‘ Moore-controversy’) , that as soon as RACE is brought up most people are thoroughly conditioned to become overly-emotional basket cases. Take Doug’s “I nearly puked” line, lol, for one example, after having just done “one of the best interviews”? I mean, give me a break, who are you trying to impress with that mush? Don’t worry, I already know ;)

        And btw, Richard, why do you deem Duke ‘s talking Paleo as “beyond his stock in trade”? Fact is the man looks pretty damn amazing for his age, and if he looks that way from applying these principles (Paleo/low carbish/whatever), then it seems to me he has as much right , and as a leader, a duty of sorts, to make this stuff known to his community. That includes speaking to popular folks in the ‘movement’.
        And again, you claim to know f-all about the guy, yet you “know” this? Doesn’t add up.

        And as for this:
        Are the blackies and brownies and jews so bad that “serious measures are called for?”
        What are you talking about specifically?

      • “yet now all of a sudden Duke is a “shithead”! Please.”

        Well of course he is. I didn’t say I know nothing. I said I have not looked into it in detail. I haven’t looked into what it takes to do the job of pumping out houses, either. But I know enough to know it’s not something I’d care to do.

        “It is not Duke’s responsibility to make other’s decisions for them.”

        I guess he doesn’t have any responsibility to not lie to people to get an interview.

        It’s really classic. He explicitly hides his own background, statements, even his identity (Dr. Duke vs. former Klansman, State legislator and Presidential candidate David Duke). Why? Very simple. He won’t get the interviews. Why does he want to get the interviews? Simple. To lend legitimacy to himself and his cause (see, he’s not so bad…look at all the respected people who come on his program). Why does he want to lend mainstream legitimacy to his cause via lying and fraud?

        Simple. Because he’s a shithead.

      • haha, more silly impotent namecalling from you, much like what you just called me on the previous thread. Maybe you are the “shithead”, see how that works? Yawnzzz.

        Again, as these threads have made clear, Duke would be a fool to lead off with his racial views as it triggers the girly-man like, overly- emotional freak outs we have seen so far. He didn’t lie, he just left it out, and good for him, why “lead with the chin”?
        Duke spoke only of Paleo and had no other topic introduced into the show. The interview was even characterized by your “victim” (lol) McDuff as being “one of the best he ever had”, but still here he is grovelling to the PC crowd. I guess we could mention too that Duke has quite a large following and his videos have millions of views? I am sure none of that is bad news for poor McDuff and his potential book sales either, eh?

        I just took a trip over to Duke’s site to see how he used this precious “lie-gotten” interview with the great McDuff—and surprise, surprise, there is not any extra focus nor promotion on him than any of his other interviews. So I think your “credibility” motive is crap really.

        So to sum up: nothing but Paleo was discussed, and the interview was great. Yet, you in all your wisdom, a man who admits he knows next to nothing about the “details” concerning Duke or his arguments, resorts to calling him a “shithead” in response. Dazzling stuff there Richard, simply dazzling ;)

        Ps: Now that you have resorted to calling me a “disgusting racist” and Duke a “shithead” that we ought to just end things here since you are clearly incapable of discussing this issues in an adult fashion.

        Take care.

      • OMG Mary your cognitive dissonance is deafening even me. You are a context dropping little bitch. SHUT UP

      • Gee, another internet toughie Marnee? Why don’t you make me “shut up”? :)

  14. Indeed. And how thoughtful of Jimmy to bring it to all our attention.

  15. The not remorseful Moore continues linking to David Duke’s radio show in his so called apology? Why is no one talking about that?

    Not only does he continue to provide a link to his own appearance on the show, he also links to both Davis and McGuff, driving even more web traffic than before to David Duke!

    And you all think he’s remorseful?

    • And if you think Jimmy doesn’t know exactly who I am, ask him about Jimmy Moore: Good Gone Wrong and then once that was done, what happened next with Kimkins Exposed.

      Here is what he wrote: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/top-10-low-carb-movers-shakers-of-2007/2103

      Finally, I couldn’t let this list of the year’s most influential movers & shakers go by without recognizing and honoring the impact of a collective group of people who helped bring awareness and concern about one of the biggest scams to ever hit the low-carb community. Yes, even I was pulled in by it and later apologized to my readers for not knowing better sooner. But the members of the online forum called Low-Carb Friends did. The “Why the Fascination with Kimmer?” thread is chock full of the day-to-day soap opera that has surrounded what has been known as the Kimkins diet since early in the year. The egregiousness of this starvation/anorexic diet that has since caused some major health problems for the most ardent supporter spawned a whole boatload of anti-Kimkins blogs. The most famous one of them all is Kimkins Exposed by someone or a group of people calling themselves Just Ducky. The duck avatar soon became synonymous with those who didn’t want to see the good name of the low-carb lifestyle being drug down with this dangerous diet scheme from a woman named Heidi Kimberly Diaz, a weight loss fraud who never lost a pound and a well-known scam artist. The low-carb community owes Low-Carb Friends and the anti-Kimkins bloggers an appreciative THANKS for all the work they did to expose this before more people got hurt.

    • Oh noes!!! Jimmy used a hyperlink!?!?!?!

      If you could provide a template for Jimmy and others to show proper remorse I’m sure he’d be grateful and follow it to a T. Mellisa was kind enough to provide Richard with one, but he was too much of a pig-headed fascist cunt to follow it. I’m sure that Jimmy simply needs the proper guidance by right-thinking people such as yourself, though.

      • It reminds me of the early days of the Internet where various NAZI variety websites began showing up. Outrage. Don’t dare link to one, even for laughs. Of course, having their irrational spew out there for anyone to see rather than being in obscure pamphlets shrouded in mystery and intrigue was in reality the best thing, as there’s nothing inherently evil about “just words” strung together.

        Put it all out in the open.

      • Imagine if there’d been TV talk shows around when Hitler was an up-and-comer in the Weimar Republic. He’d have soon been outed for the ridiculously rigid, humorless psychopathic vegetarian he was.

        “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.”

      • They’d have definitely known in short order that he was simply not sciency enough.

  16. Reminds me of Penn Gillette being excoriated by his personal hero Tommy Smothers for appearing on Glenn Beck’s show. Smothers was livid because Penn was lending a veneer of respectability or something to Beck. Never mind that Penn says the exact same thing whether he’s on Beck, MSNBC, CNN or his own podcast.

    This mindset seems to be a specialty of the left, although I’m sure it exists on the right. Even if Jimmy knew who Duke was, I really don’t care, other than the fact that it means he was lying about not knowing. Does this mean I am a crypto-Nazi and a holocaust-denier?

    Just as I’m still willing to listen to Cold Harbour Lane even though I despise Maoism or people stupid or evil enough to call themselves Maoists. And I’m still willing to see Johnny Depp movies even if he wears Che shirts. Actually, I’m only willing to see Johnny Depp movies if he ever makes another decent movie again, meanwhile I’ll stick to re-watching Dead Man. In other words, like Penn Gillette, and unlike Tommy Smothers, Melissa and Carbsane, I believe in the actual spirit of free speech and free assembly.

  17. I find it really disturbing that Jimmy or Doug McGuff or anybody feels the need to explain or apologize to the Three Witches of Endor about anything.

    Melissa should just rename her blog “Paleo Drama Queen”.

    • Exactly: why do they bend so easily?

    • Indy51 -

      They probably wouldn’t have felt the need to explain had Jimmy not so thoughtfully brought it to everyone’s attention.

      • Why shouldn’t Jimmy point out that others had done the show since there was no bruhaha over it until HE was on the show! Let them all now bend and grovel before the stonethrowers, lol……my gawd what a sad note on which to begin a New Year.
        Let’s hope 2013 brings a load of spines with in with it…….

      • Mike Schneider says:

        Mary, revealing her spine: “(Duke) is famous because he was an elected official who was open about race-realism”.

        Thus her strident defense.

        (Someone drag her ass to Django Unchained, and tie her to a seat.)

      • “Mary, revealing her spine: “(Duke) is famous because he was an elected official who was open about race-realism”.”

        Since you’e both right, you’re both wrong as well.

        I have as little interest in Mike’s take as in Mary’s.

      • (Someone drag her ass to Django Unchained, and tie her to a seat.)

        Any White person who pays money to see a degenerate movie that openly calls for their own murder, as happens in ‘Django’) is a bit like Mike here–an idiot.

        And I am not wrong at all about Duke, as is fairly obvious by now. Disagree with him all you like, but screaming how much you don’t like him is just more emotionalism that deserves to be mocked at every turn.

      • “had Jimmy not so thoughtfully brought it to everyone’s attention.”

        There’s an outright lie. Nothing new, though.

      • …And before you get started with your stupidity, the lie is in the word “thoughtfully.” I’ll leave it at that, because I like to see you continue to be stupid.

      • Perhaps another word would have been more suitable. The point being, though, that he reflexively dissembles and throws others under the bus. That’s all.

      • Jimmy would’ve been one of those who used the ‘just following orders’ defense.

      • So what do you make of Doug’s explanation? How come it’s so impossible to consider that Jimmy was duped in a similar way? Yea, I know, “this is Jimmy’s business.” Granted. He’s taken responsibility for not vetting. And surely, since it is his business, it’s entirely appropriate to expect him to take more care.

        There’s only one pin left to knock down here. Nobody thinks Jimmy is a NAZI. Nobody believes Doug wanted to do that interview had he known who it was. Nobody thinks Jimmy is happy with the situation. Nobody thinks Jimmy wouldn’t undo the whole deal if he could.

        But he can’t undo it because as very quickly and easily as everyone lets Doug off the hook, this is Jimmy’s business see, that makes him EVIL, see, and as such the really evil people will never let him get away with that.

        I, and most, know exactly who you are.

        Why do you think I give you so much leeway here, ELMM? It’s because you are magnitudes more evil tham Jimmy could ever hope to be and over time, that’s capital.

        I just haven’t figured out how to make you my stooge bitch yet in terms of making money off all your comments, yet. But I might eventually, unless something takes my fancy beforehand which it totally possible. so I’m grateful.

  18. To me it seems that people fear guys like Duke in reaction to historical events. They fear the past (the old South, the KKK as it used to be, the real Nazi regime, etc.). They fear the irrational in other people (without seeing how they possess the same quality in equal measure themselves, even when they try to smooth that ugly reality over with a lot of modern rhetoric). As someone who fears human nature (my own and that of other people), I get that. I understand. But I agree with you that the really scary people are not transparent morons like David Duke (unless you happen to live under his thumb for some reason).

    Duke is an easy target: easy to hate, easy to avoid, easy to punish (if you really wanted to). The really dangerous predators are not the ones who go around wearing a sign that says “Kick me!” on their backs. The really dangerous enemies are the ones you think of as friends, until it is suddenly too late. The really dangerous predator seduces you with sweet rhetoric (none of this KKK crap that reeks to high heaven as soon as someone says it). He convinces you that he is all about love, security, equality, freedom, whatever, and then makes you his bitch–human chattel that he can dispose of at will. The really dangerous enemy is the one you don’t know yet, the one who isn’t in your face putting up his dukes (ha!). The latter is relatively easy to deal with, as an obvious hostile with a clear agenda (even if that agenda isn’t idiotic the way Duke’s is). Nice post.

    • If I were to condense my reaction down a bit, it would be something like this: Duke represents (1) an historical phenomenon that is real and scary (people are irrational idiots), and (2) an historical attitude that is no longer dangerous (“Save the great white homeland! Purebred Anglo-Saxons only!”): this kind of nonsense was dangerous in the early twentieth century, but it is no longer really a threat. The majority of us have moved to a place from which it is idiotic without inspiring dangerous violence; we are not going to shoot anyone to save some racist dream that is patently defunct (a dead horse not worth beating).

    • Duke is an easy target: easy to hate, easy to avoid, easy to punish (if you really wanted to). The really dangerous predators are not the ones who go around wearing a sign that says “Kick me!” on their backs.

      Exactly. And the really dangerous cult of personality icons are the ones who don’t have “Kick me!” on their backsides because they’ve been deemed acceptable by the reigning arbiters of kulturkampf.

      A Swedish friend of mine sent me this interview with Maggie Thatcher a long time ago. We were both laughing at the interviewer’s brave statements about how much she hates Hitler. What a bold stance to take in 1990 or whenever the interview was taped. I’m not a huge fan of base nationalism, or an American (or Brit or Canuck) crowing about how his country saved Europe from fascism, blah blah blah, but I love how Ms Thatcher makes hamburger (sorry, mincemeat!) of the interviewer and her PC sensibilities.

      As a bonus, this from the same interview is also pretty awesome.

      If only more people understood the difference between safe, easy moral righteousness, and actually allowing a diversity of ideas (not agreeing with all of them or saying that all opinions have equal relevance, merely not trying to stamp them out of existence with cheap fascist tricks) this PC culture would wither on the vine.

      • It is unfortunate that so many of us think that we must all think alike or at least shut up and stop talking when we disagree. Forcing people to pretend to be nice while ignoring their real opinions (including the stupid ones) just makes them meaner in the end. If we could focus less on making people nice in the same way (an impossible pipe-dream) and more on getting them to disagree politely (e.g. via Internet rants rather than actual, physical lynching vel sim), that would be an important step in the right direction. Peace is not about getting everything you want (even if you are an enlightened philosopher-king). It is about letting dumb people disagree (profoundly and irreconcilably) without destroying the fabric of civil society.

  19. Yeah, I don’t like Jimmy but the idea that this will now exile him from low carb/paleo/both or that it SHOULD if the community is to head towards legitimacy as Evelyn & co claim is ridiculous. I really don’t care at all, I find his “chocolate cake” episode much worse, or the recent post he’s made asking whether his weight loss is due to whatever pseudoscience he believes in/espouses or a simple calorie deficit (anyone who needs to ask this should be disregarded).

    Let the paleo community be flooded with racists, sexists, whatever. Apparently it already is. Those types have just as much interest in their own health as anyone, if not moreso as dedication to their glorious Aryan genes. Just let them keep the discussion to nutrition.

    I also find it a bit puzzling many of the carbsane commenters call for the big players in low carb/paleo who Evelyn has already gone out of her way to discredit to disown Jimmy. According to Evelyn Gary Taubes is a suave businessman who will knowingly deceive those struggling with weight loss in order to sell, the exact same profile she projects on Jimmy. What he does in regard to him should be irrelevant.

    • “legitimacy as Evelyn & co claim is”

      Cer

      Don’t recall seeing you here before, but good head.

      Evie wants people to believe that she has a big readership and it’s growing. The opposite is the truth. She has a smaller and smaller readership, mostly made up of very energized sycophants. The pure fact of the matter is she can ONLY create content, because creating content is what brings in new readers. But, she’s a one pony, no dog show, thin archives, so she can only count on building new readership from the very narrow market of being a huge critic of everyone in a very small market.

      She’s completely fooled by the energy she gets from her commenters, a few dozen, often many comments per post. Watch how often she uses the phrase “my readers” in her posts. It;s laughable. She has a few dozen who comment. perhaps a hundred of few who take a look now and then, including me. Other than that—trust me—she’s got nothing.

      There’s nothing to see, there.

  20. I have trouble believing Jimmy when the front page of davidduke.com is littered with Nazi propaganda. Does he even look into the people he associates with?

  21. Two things I have learned the last few days reading this manufactured drama.
    A) The folks that already hate Jimmie found a fully fueled vehicle to run him over in.
    B) Science Snobbery bores me.

  22. I have come back on this site after a while and having largely given up on dieting which I think improved my life. I come mainly because I have strong opinions on the subject and because of the quiet rambling opening post. I guess this is the jist. I don’t believe that you have such a strong emotional opinion of someone you barely know. And you can also admit of your own jewishness here, as many other “germans” have.
    ———————————————————————————————————————-
    What do I think of Duke? Minimally from what I can tell, a racist / separatist, someone with an irrational, conspiratorial fear of a Jewish conspiracy to control everything.
    ————————————————————————————————————————

    How can you support a jewish state of israel and american government that funds , arms it and fights for it?
    There is no such a thing as a “white supremacist” but there is a jewish one . As far as I can tell there is no white country that restricts “white only” immigration, there is no white media, white political parties, white political leaders and so while all of that can be seen in Israel and jewish organizations accross the world.Just go to Tel Aviv and the meeting of AIPAC to see plenty of jewish supremacism.

    So I am also guessing you are denying that jews have ever done anything to be criticized? How about Iraq war? David Duke at least was one of the few to be openly against it. Why don’t you meet some soldiers who were wounded and tell them that they were sacrificed for Israeli supremacism in the region?

    Your rambling about how everyone hates jews is typical way of shedding guilt. It’s jews who claim everyone hates them , whether christians or arabs or muslims and lo and behold jews have never lived in peace with their neighbors as far as I can tell.

    So I don’t know, I’ve been removed from this dieting scene and I have disagreed with Jimmy Moore on many issues but none of it matters when he may be approaching the real issues , even stumbling . The jews want to suppress freedom of speech with anyone that gets close to a secret and Jimmy may find himself on a cutting board even if he is not into it.

    I expect this post to be censored so I probably won’t be back.

    • “And you can also admit of your own jewishness here, as many other “germans” have.”

      Laf. Not that it matters, but my dad’s family were stock German Lutherans and came to the US via a family member sponsor, not on any of whatever Jewish refugee programs were available.

      “How can you support a jewish state of israel and american government that funds , arms it and fights for it?”

      You assume a lot, don’t you? I don’t give a shit about Isreal as a state, and frankly, think it’s insane to insist on living in a place surrounded by those who hate and wish to destroy you just because “God promised that land to you.” I don’t support a penny of aid beyond base humanitarian aid to Israel or any other country. If Israel wants to maintain their geopolitical status in that region, let them do it on their own dime.

      There indeed exist white supremacists. You’re saying it’s not institutionalized and so far as I know, that’s true. As far as restricting other races and colors by other countries (such as Japan), that’s not really supremacy, but separatism and I do recognize the distinction—though I consider separatists to be racists, in general. Still, there is a difference between a racism that wishes to see other races destroyed and a racism that wishes to see them separated.

  23. And you can also admit of your own jewishness here, as many other “germans” have.

    Richard has already said he isn’t Jewish. I will take him at his word on that one.

  24. Richard Nikoley Jan 5, 2013 at 10:38

    There indeed exist white supremacists. You’re saying it’s not institutionalized and so far as I know, that’s true. As far as restricting other races and colors by other countries (such as Japan), that’s not really supremacy, but separatism and I do recognize the distinction—though I consider separatists to be racists, in general. Still, there is a difference between a racism that wishes to see other races destroyed and a racism that wishes to see them separated.

    —————–

    Richard, I got wind of this discussion on Duke, racism and so on, from Mary over at The Irish Savant (http://irishsavant.blogspot.com). It’s an entertaining and informative site on all things dealing with the destruction of White societies (with an emphasis on Ireland) via third world mass immigration and other methods. For those readers here who may have an interest in those topics the Irish Savant is well worth a visit.

    I’ve read your website on and off for a few years now, especially so when I first got interested in the ‘Paelo’ diet.

    Anyway, my point. As I developed an interest in Paleo with its rejection of the ‘conventional’ MSM diet I also did the same in regard to race. I’ve come to the conclusion that just like in matters of diet, we have also been seriously mislead, lied to and led astray in regards matter of racial consciousness. Whites have been led down a garden path by the MSM with promises that racial diversity will lead to harmony and the promised land of a better world.

    As part of that strategy of deceit certain words have been twisted or invented with Orwellian intent to make considering your own race first as something obscene, or even evil, especially if you are White.

    For example if I accused you, Richard, of being a ‘racist’, you would vigorously deny it and defend your honor as a card carrying ‘non-racist’ or ‘anti-racist’. Am I right?

    Of course you would, as you have been indoctrinated since birth via the media and education systems to think like that.

    Like I’ve got over the aversion to liking meat and fat, I’ve also got over being a ‘racist’. I’m now a card carrying, proud ‘racist’.

    To be a racist is to be normal, because all it means is to put your race, your extended family, first. That’s all. It does not mean that you hate other races. That’s the Orwellian propaganda kicking in, telling you lies.

    For all those Paleo people here you need to make another revolution in your beliefs and see that ‘racism’ as sold to you by the MSM is another Big Lie.

    Being white, black, brown or yellow is something to be proud of in their own way and each should defend its interests. But only Whites have been brainwashed to to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of others. A sad and suicidal state of affairs for our extended family.

    • Well said katana. I completely agree with this statement: “I’ve come to the conclusion that just like in matters of diet, we have also been seriously mislead, lied to and led astray in regards matter of racial consciousness.”

      I disagree with the conclusion that you’ve come to instead though. For me, race is an absolutely useless concept. Individuals within any grouping are so different from one another that trying to customize my treatment of an individual based on them belonging to a “race” is a waste of my time. My alternative to racism isn’t political correctness, it’s individualism.

      I can’t call myself an anarchist, but I’m probably headed in that direction. With that in mind, the concept of race is just another attempt by “elites” to control us by pitting us against each other.

      There are assholes that happen to be white/brown/yellow, etc. Why would I want to automatically cut a white person some slack just because they happen to share a skin tone with me? Calling a random white person a member of my extended family just isn’t gonna fly.

    • Katana:

      There’s nothing Paleo about being racist. Races didn’t crop up until the global migration out of Africa, so vast differences in skin color and other racially characteristic features is relatively recent.

      What’s Paleo is _tribalism_, but tribal ties need have nothing to do with skin color. Moreover, it ought go without saying that just because something is “Paleo” doesn’t automatically mean it’s the best way to do things now. Tribalism was a survival mechanism that’s simply unnecessary in a modern world where you can fly around the planet in a day.

      You’re headed down a wrong path, man. What you’ve fallen for in rejecting forced institutionalized rational integration, diversity, multiculturalism (a “positive” or “affirmative” form of racism which I also reject, BTW) is just to go back to the arbitrariness of classifying people by the color of their skin.

      And yes, I consider all those who support any sort of institutionalized racial integration to be racists. Obama is a racist, for example. As is just about every black in positions of power I can think of. Influential blacks who aren’t racists: Tomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams.

      So this is the problem. It’s binary thinking. Either you have to be the sort of racist that seeks to separate and segregate (or in the worst cases, exterminate), or the sort of racist that seeks to integrate or play so-called affirmative-action through government direct force (such as school bussing, quotas, labor law, etc) or indirect force (tax code and other economic “incentives”).

      I say stop being a racist completely. Just stop arbitrarily categorizing people on something so arbitrary and superficial as the color of skin. Be an individualist.

      Racism is as stupid, ignorant and superficial as tattooism, i.e., classifying people by the number of tats they have.

      • Yeah Katana, just stop believing everything you see happening around you and start being smart, informed and deep like Richard here and you too can begin to “celebrate” the inevitable “browning” of America, just like he does!

    • – But only Whites have been brainwashed to to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of others.

      Total bulshit. Total blindness.
      I say: this happened always to the other races when there were whites or “white inside” in the governments in countries all over the world.
      And not only white, but also anglo-saxons and nords only. I could quote from you hundreds of examples of this propaganda from my country and others. Thanks to this bullshit now exists this exagerated pride (by someones) of not being white; you are not target of this offensive bulshit but apparently you also lack the empathy to undestand it.
      It just happens that now the pendulum swing to the other side. All racists are anti-individualists in theirs racist ideas. All racists ideas uses group thinking.
      I get that PC could be unjustly offensive sometimes (ironic, eh?) but “only whites have been brainwashed…” is utter bulshit.

  25. Mr. Nikoley,

    I’d like to commend your plucky stand against racists and nazis… and racist nazis. Sometimes only the courage of convention will sufficiently brace a man against the powerful and malign forces arrayed against him. It must surely be daunting to know that a hostile white media waits to pounce on any perceived conflict with their narrative. Criticize racism or whites in this country and your career is effectively over. That’s why I find your anti-racism and philo-semitism so admirable…it’s truth to power. When all around you are openly racist out of fear of ostracism or criminal sanction, it takes an uncommon man to boldly say “Not I!”

    And aside from their 147 advocacy groups, no one is willing to defend jews. While in contrast millions of media manipulated myrmidons succumb to obligatory purple-faced apoplexy in defending David Duke. Because “anti-racism” is evil we are told. And being the herd animal he is, men naturally retreat from the periphery…and cowardice begets more racism.

    But this isn’t just an academic argument. Earth’s future brownish-yellow monoculture is at stake. For if the racists win, somewhere in that dystopian tomorrow a white woman will give birth to a white baby. And that child will be raised in a white community. And that’s a future too terrible to contemplate.

    • Porter:

      Oh so clever.

      I say again: I don’t care about the color of anyone’s skin. And anyone who does is a moron and racist, no matter how they dress it up.

      That’s not to say that being a racist is the worst thing in the world. My maternal grandparents were to some degree prejudiced against blacks and Hispanics and used derogatory terms now and then. Didn’t matter much, they never did anything about it, and I’m sure had they grown up in a different time things would be different.

      So I categorize pedestrian racism more as just ignorance, not evil. Besides, I don’t like the notion of ideas in themselves being good or evil in terms of morality. Morality applies only to actions.

  26. I say again: I don’t care about the color of anyone’s skin

    The solipsist speaks…and the world yawns. What you care about is for your psychiatrist to ponder. What the teeming masses of disparate and antagonistic peoples now occupying this geography called America care about is the issue.

    anyone who does (care about race) is a moron and racist.

    Then lachrymose anti-racists like yourself are going to be quite disappointed with the millions of morons and racists migrating here. For, in aggregate, they care very much about race. And they prefer their own in the caring.

    That’s not to say that being a racist is the worst thing in the world.

    That must be a great relief to members of the many black, jew, and mestizo advocacy groups. Though I find it interesting that in fleeing the white racist, they invariably run straight into his home.

    • “The solipsist…”

      He begins with a blatant lie, made particularly blatant by the fact that I already replied to his previous comment and, oh, in case anyone didn’t notice, have a blog going back to 2003 with 65,000 comments, thousands of which I’ve replied to.

      No, I really, actually don’t care about the color of anyone’s skin. I care about a lot of things that might associate or in various degrees correlate with skin color, but skin color is not a cause of anything and it is thus a diversion for real problems (bad policy, poverty, drug laws, etc.).

      “and the world yawns.”

      Another lie. Even by evidence of his own individual behavior. That’s two “stolen concepts” in a row.

      “What you care about is for your psychiatrist to ponder.”

      And, you, as evidenced by…. There’s the third stolen concept. Your very own behavior gives the lie to your assertions.

      “lachrymose”

      What a coincidence.

      “…the millions of morons and racists migrating here. For, in aggregate, they care very much about race. And they prefer their own in the caring.”

      To some extent that is absolutely true. It’s also true that it’s probably worse on that particular score than the original idea of America as a land of opportunity. To far too great extent, the opportunity now is to get on the public dole. That’s probably overblown though, as I still see tons of very hard working, upwardly mobile immigrants—”legal” or not—here in CA.

      From 2004 on the blog: Greed: The “Income Gap” Deconstructed

      http://freetheanimal.com/2004/03/greed_the_incom.html

      Regarding preferring their own…. The thing is, it’s quite natural to stick together in a new land, facing new challenges and opportunities. Less uncertainty and everyone values certainty above just about anything. America is littered with China Towns, Little Italy’s, and all the others. Same for Hispanics but that’s more recent. Is what’s keeping some in racial solidarity a causal function of the color of their skin? Or, is it public policy that is actually more divisive in reality, whist being good-sounding “diversity affirming” on the surface?

      “That must be a great relief to members of the many black, jew, and mestizo advocacy groups. Though I find it interesting that in fleeing the white racist, they invariably run straight into his home.”

      …We’ll be fine, so long as we don’t have any mestiza advocacy groups which, by linguistic convention of the masculine/feminine, would be a group made up exclusively of females (gotta toss a bone to those who think I’m a misogynist).

      Seriously though, that’s a good thing. But safe homes are not caused by white skin. Humans learn to leave their ignorance behind in myriad ways. Emergencies tend to hasten the process.

  27. The best way to address the assertion that you are solipsistic is to avoid using “I” four times in the next three sentences.

    The best way to address the suspicion that you are a mid-functioning autistic is to avoid following that with fugue-state muttering about lies and thievery.

    And again “I” see lots of hardworking jobs americans won’t be doing immigrants. And other people see MS-13, destroyed schools, and a gouged public fisc. Either way, it’s not their country.

    Is what’s keeping some in racial solidarity a causal function of the color of their skin?

    No Rainman. It’s a causal function of their race.

    Humans learn to leave their ignorance behind in myriad ways. Emergencies tend to hasten the process.

    Indeed. The ignorance of anti-racism is being left behind by whites daily. By thousands of rapes, sexual assaults, murders, and beatings. By once pristine areas now too dangerous for whites to enter. By politicians now eagerly catering to the tribal appetites of their white hating constituents. By anti-white preferences, quotas, and “disparate impact.” By a treasury printing incalculable debt to sustain the encroaching third world in a living standard they could never create on their own.

    Yes, emergencies are hastening the process. Your adult colic has only begun.

    • “The best way to address the assertion that you are solipsistic is to avoid using “I” four times in the next three sentences.”

      I did address it the best way. Which is in the absolute. You lied. Now you’re pathetically defending the lie. Solipsism is, simply, the notion that only my mind exists. It’s manifestly untrue no matter how much I write on my blog and in comments in the 1st person.

      But go ahead. Keep arguing that I’m a solipsist, making yourself look increasingly stupid. What do I care? You lied. That’s just a fact. Deal with it. No biggie. I can let it pass.

      “The best way to address the suspicion that you are a mid-functioning autistic is to avoid following that with fugue-state muttering about lies and thievery.”

      And now you’re banned.

      I gave you a chance, but you just cant get the your rabies under control.

      Skin color doesn’t cause anything. Think about it, Einstein.

  28. Jessica, I got a kick out of your charmingly-worded first question. I usually comment at Mangans. Come join the discussion there and we’ll tease out this intelligent ignorance conundrum.

  29. I love people that try to appear intelligent by flexing their vocabulary. I suppose saying nothing eloquently somehow gives the appearance of actually saying something.

  30. Thanks for your reply.

    Richard Nikoley // Jan 7, 2013 at 13:07

    >What’s Paleo is _tribalism_, but tribal ties need have nothing to do with skin color.

    Need not I suppose, but I’d say it would do so in virtually all cases.

    >You’re headed down a wrong path, man.

    I’ve traveled down the kind of path that you subscribe to (hasn’t everyone in the West in the last two or so generations?) and have found it severely lacking in common sense.

    >What you’ve fallen for in rejecting forced institutionalized rational integration, diversity, multiculturalism (a “positive” or “affirmative” form of racism which I also reject, BTW) is just to go back to the arbitrariness of classifying people by the color of their skin.

    Good to hear you reject those things.

    Where you’re going seriously wrong is in thinking that skin color is the main difference between races. If that were the case then this discussion would be unnecessary. Skin color is just one of many differences and in itself only a symbol of much deeper and important issues. What really matters are the differences in behavior and ability between the races.

    >So this is the problem. It’s binary thinking. Either you have to be the sort of racist that seeks to separate and segregate (or in the worst cases, exterminate), or the sort of racist that seeks to integrate or play so-called affirmative-action through government direct force (such as school bussing, quotas, labor law, etc) or indirect force (tax code and other economic “incentives”).

    These are two alternatives based on a misunderstanding of what race really is (it’s not just skin color).

    >I say stop being a racist completely. Just stop arbitrarily categorizing people on something so arbitrary and superficial as the color of skin. Be an individualist.

    Again, race is not about arbritrary, superficial and insignificant things. It’s about things like intelligence and aggression levels. It’s why black run societies are considered very poorly run by Whites. Why Detroit is the way it is. Why Haiti is the way it is. Why Africa is the way it is.

    >Racism is as stupid, ignorant and superficial as tattooism, i.e., classifying people by the number of tats they have.

    You would be quite correct if your understanding of race was correct. But it is not. Your understanding is very superficial.

    Whites have been and continue to be subject to ant-White indoctrination through the media and education systems, all to cause them to become ambivalent at best and self loathing at worst about being White. Part of that indoctrination involves denying the realities of race. We are only taught the mantra that race is only about skin color.

    I urge readers here to investigate this issue like they have done with diet issues. You will be shocked.

    • Katana:

      You’re simply trying to change the definition of race, which is: grouping by PHYSICAL characteristics. And the chief identifying physical characteristic is skin color. This is why I pound on this: I don’t care about the color of anyone’s skin (or the shape of their eyes, for that matter). It’s inarguable that such physical characteristics are simply arbitrary because at the end of the day, individual behavior and actions are all that really count. Skin color doesn’t CAUSE anything. Assigning any sort of particular meaning to the physical characteristics of race, one way or the other, is racism.

      Tribal ties were of course initially defined mostly by race because for most of human history, most individuals never saw anyone but their own race and probably nobody outside their own tribe, either. With mass migration and now global rapid transportation that has all changed. But tribal behaviors remain, and tribes exist on many levels. In fact, an individual can be party to many different tribes, be it something like a sports team, social club, street gang, workplace, family, church, political activism, democrats, republicans, and on and on.

      And then there are the cultural overlays, but even there it becomes murky because individuals can become party to multiple cultures as well, beyond the foundational ethnicity-based one they’re born with. American immigrants are great examples of this, most retaining some aspects of their homeland culture throughout their lives, passing it onto their children, but taking on the greater American culture as well, and/or some of its regional sub-cultures.

      I happen to think this is all to the good. Others think it’s bad. But one thing is for sure: it’s not going to stop. In fact, with the Internet, the sharing of tribal attitudes and cultural practices is accelerating. Whether a person likes or dislikes such attitudes and practices of others is less important than being aware, and not ignorant of them. Curing ignorance leads to understanding and understanding leads to fearlessness.

  31. Behavior is more of a function of the environment where one was raised; rather than a function of race. There are differences between races that go deeper than skin color… but behavior isn’t necessarily one of those differences. Culture is also not a function of race… peoples of very different ethnic backgrounds can share common culture.

    You are a product of your environment… not your skin color. You forgot that in your unbridled haste to discredit Richard’s stance.

    • DJ

      From 2005, that’s 8 years ago, on this very blog:

      Culturism, a term I claim.

      http://freetheanimal.com/2005/05/culturism.html

      This is why I will be doing a series on racism. Obviously, I’ve been thinking about such things for a while. I don’t read shit, I think for myself.

      Btw, given the space of time, I can quibble with myself in some things I wrote in that. I’m also happy about that.

  32. >Richard Nikoley // Jan 8, 2013 at 09:02

    >Katana:

    >You’re simply trying to change the definition of race, which is: grouping by PHYSICAL characteristics. And the chief identifying physical characteristic is skin color. This is why I pound on this: I don’t care about the color of anyone’s skin (or the shape of their eyes, for that matter).

    If race was just physical then we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Race is about behavior. Differences in skin color, bone and muscle structure, brain size and structure and all the rest are also apparent in behavior. Blacks, murder people in the US at 10 to 15 times the rate that Whites do. It’s not just because they have black skins, it’s because they have black brains and all the other characteristics that cause them to more violent.

    >It’s inarguable that such physical characteristics are simply arbitrary because at the end of the day, individual behavior and actions are all that really count.

    Physical characteristics are simply NOT arbitrary. Black couples have black babies. Whites have white babies. And at the end of the day the individual actions and behavior will reflect the racial makeup on average.

    >Skin color doesn’t CAUSE anything.

    Skin color is merely the outward sign of deep physical and behavioral differences.

    >Assigning any sort of particular meaning to the physical characteristics of race, one way or the other, is racism.

    You can assign physical and behavioral characteristics to race because that is what race consists of. You call that ‘racism’, while I call it being a realist, a race-realist.

    > Tribal ties were of course initially defined mostly by race because for most of human history, most individuals never saw anyone but their own race and probably nobody outside their own tribe, either. With mass migration and now global rapid transportation that has all changed.

    Races can now intermingle. That doesn’t change their innate differences.

    >In fact, with the Internet, the sharing of tribal attitudes and cultural practices is accelerating. Whether a person likes or dislikes such attitudes and practices of others is less important than being aware, and not ignorant of them. Curing ignorance leads to understanding and understanding leads to fearlessness.

    And fearlessness based on ignorance about race leads to foolishness.

    White societies have been sold evil lies. That by bringing in non-Whites we will make our societies better and happier. It hasn’t happened, instead it has brought the opposite.

    >Reply
    >DJ // Jan 7, 2013 at 23:10

    >You are a product of your environment… not your skin color.

    You are a product of your environment AND your ‘skin color’. If you are in Africa and have a striped hide (a zebra) then you are a meal for others with a tan hide (lions).

    >You forgot that in your unbridled haste to discredit Richard’s stance.

    I understand your and Richard’s stance. But it’s the PC stance. It’s what us race-realists have to understand in order to try to de-progam you.

    You, Richard, and many others on this site are in deep denial about race. The reasons for that is because of life long propaganda through our media. Throwing off that propaganda is a painful process.

    • “If race was just physical then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.”

      Blatantly false. Race is a definition by physical characteristics that I pointed out and it’s only you asserting otherwise, falsely by plain accepted definition, for which I’ve already overspent time trying to correct.

      Bye bye.

    • I’ll throw you a bone, Warrior Kitana.

      Go live 8 years, 5 living in one country, 3 living in another, dozens visited in the interim.

      Then come back and tell me how ignorant I am about race. That ought to make it easy for you, wouldn’t you suspect?

    • In other words, you’re dismissed.

    • Oh, oh, and I almost forgot, Kantana.

      I’ve been with my brown skinned wife for like 16, 17 years. Married 11-12 of those. She loves me to death in spite of every ounce of shit I toss her way and I’ve never been able to figure it out.

      I used to caulk it up to the mystery of human being coming together.

      But as of today, thatks to you, I have a new explanation. She has a brown brain.

      Thank you, enlightened sir. I’m sure she’ll be happy to know that only white brains have the capacity for independent thought, to seek self-guided values, to make sure choices and all the rest. I’m sure it will give her comfort as well, that all those of her race are absolved, not responsible for bad acts.

      They were born with brown or black brains.

      Thank you.

    • I’m not satisfied that the differences between “races” isn’t caused by other factors –
      Are all socioeconomic factors controlled for?
      Were blacks as murderous in the 20s/30s before things like the drug war & stupid affirmative action & government sponsored welfare dependency?

      I suspect/hope that one thing we do agree on is that no “race” should receive any kind of preferential treatment from government institutions, and that any private entity should be able to refuse to engage in commerce with anybody they want to, including for race reasons.

      I would boycott and shun any institution that refused service to any race, but they should have that right.

  33. > Richard Nikoley // Jan 10, 2013 at 15:52, 15:55, 15:56

    “If race was just physical then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.”

    >Blatantly false. Race is a definition by physical characteristics that I pointed out and it’s only you asserting otherwise, falsely by plain accepted definition, for which I’ve already overspent time trying to correct.

    Please read, Phillip Rushton’s ‘Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective (3rd Edition). Check out the Amazon reviews and download an abridged version, available for free download on the net, with a little searching.

    He will give you a realistic view of the physical, psychological and behavioral differences between the races. They are real and significant.

    ———-

    > I’ll throw you a bone, Warrior Kitana.

    Thanks, and I hope there’s some real meat on it. I can see starvation setting in around here.

    > Go live 8 years, 5 living in one country, 3 living in another, dozens visited in the interim.
    > Then come back and tell me how ignorant I am about race. That ought to make it easy for you, wouldn’t you suspect?

    Then you have little excuse for remaining ‘ignorant’. BTW, I’ve lived in foreign countries for significantly longer than your short stints.

    >In other words, you’re dismissed.

    Did that give you a little thrill?

    ————-

    >Oh, oh, and I almost forgot, Kantana.

    >I’ve been with my brown skinned wife for like 16, 17 years. Married 11-12 of those. She loves me to death in spite of every ounce of shit I toss her way and I’ve never been able to figure it out.

    Probably, because she realizes that beyond your tendency to be a bit of a bullshitter you are a nice, even lovable guy.

    >But as of today, thatks to you, I have a new explanation. She has a brown brain.

    So you can learn! Progress!

    >Thank you, enlightened sir. I’m sure she’ll be happy to know that only white brains have the capacity for independent thought, to seek self-guided values, to make sure choices and all the rest.

    OK, your progress is less than I thought. I didn’t say or imply that only White brains have such capacities. Each race has different capacities, not capacity or no capacity. It’s not all ‘black and white’, you know.

    > I’m sure it will give her comfort as well, that all those of her race are absolved, not responsible for bad acts.

    Sorry, but more black and white thinking here. A racial tendency towards, say, criminal activity doesn’t absolve the criminal, although it may lessen the responsibility. The best answer though is for Whites to not be forced to live with non-Whites.

    And Whites should stop letting non-Whites into their countries, because it will turn them, in case of black inflow, into African style shit-holes like Detroit and so on.