Thanks Jimmy and LLVLC Readers for Making My Book #3 In 2012, Even if You Are a Neo-NAZI

[For an update, please see: Lemons to Lemonade Documentary - Ed]

I never follow the crowd

While there's hang wringing all around me over the latest "neo-NAZI" to show up on the scene—none other than Jimmy Moore—I'm not buying it.

I first got the word via a comment here by regular commenter "Eat Less Move Moore" on my post about my German dad surviving WWII on potatoes as a kid. He pointed to a post on Jimmy's forum about him doing a podcast interview about LC on a popular white supremacist, anti-Semitic guy's gig who I will not name or link—because I'm not interested in that kind of Google traffic, or in helping anyone supportive of such views. The rest of the comment was an insinuation that because I coincidentally blogged about my dad's experience as a 5-yr-old starving boy in WWII Germany, Paleos are Hitler fans.

Neo-Nazi admirers of Hitler must be the hot new trend in LC/Paleo now.

I've been busy having a wonderful time with my wife's family down here in Vista, CA. Only this afternoon did I finally have time to go in and see what was going on with the whole deal.

...But let me back up. Serious accusations like "he's a NAZI sympathizer" require pretty enormous evidence for me. Since then, I've been tagged in tweets and been sent emails, not one of which I've replied to. I guess some people think that because I recently criticized Jimmy in a post and I'm a shit stirrer in general—willing to say almost anything—that I'm the prime guy to make a big deal about this.

Here's the big deal if you want it: errors in judgment, not doing your due diligence, being too busy to check up on who wants to give you an hour podcast interview are indeed serious mistakes. They should be acknowledged, corrected...chalked up to a lesson learned in life and I'm betting Jimmy knows more about mistakes he's made than I or you.

That makes him kinda normal. It doesn't make him a racist, white supremacist or a supporter of same.

Jimmy is guilty of one thing: being successful enough in what he does as nearly a one man show—without staff to vet everything, so he never gets pwned—that he's perfectly susceptible to this sort of thing. I myself have given a bunch of written and podcast interviews. I've checked peripherally to see who was requesting, but not very thoroughly. This could have happened to me, had I not already known who that guy is.

Alright, so anyway, I finally looked into everything this afternoon; all the hand wringing, a few posts on blogs I could find, etc. And I'm not at all surprised that people who simply hate Jimmy for whatever reason, could so easily believe that just because such a man believes in what many of us consider creation fairy tales—that, like 80% + of people in the US believe—then does an interview with a racist anti-Semite...that he concurrently believes what maybe 1% of Americans believe. I don't see the logic in that "equation." That's because it's completely devoid of logic, also ripe and rife with the very sort of hate people now wish to tag Jimmy with. What's more, most "strong" Christians, creationist types with various elements of fundamentalist / born again beliefs, believe Jews are "God's chosen people." Doesn't add up for me, not what I know of Jimmy as a rather pedestrian southern Christian.

I think Jimmy has some things to learn still about calories, starch, why LC works and why it no longer works when it doesn't. We have our differences. But he has highlighted my posts on those differences by giving me another interview and tweeting and mentioning my two posts of that topic on his blog, including the post where I criticized him directly. What more can anyone expect of the man? I see intellectual honesty in spades.

Incidentally, I have direct confirmation from Jimmy that he had no idea who that guy was, what he was all about. He also sent me the link he had linked up—but has since taken down—and except for one questionable title in about a dozen or so, all titles of posts are what you would see in any typical Paleo or LC blog.

You can hate Jimmy as much as you want. You can hate him so much that you project your own irrational hatred onto him, conjuring up convenient scenarios about how he's a racist, anti-semite, white supremacist. ...But he's actually not, and quite far from it. In the end, all you've exposed is your own pathology.

Thanks to Jimmy and his readers for making my book second only to two books by Dr. Stephen Phinney and Dr. Jeff Volek. Jimmy reviews tons of books and did a top 25 of sales for 2012 as tabulated from his Amazon affiliate stats: Top 25 ‘Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb’ Amazon Bestsellers In 2012.

Next up is one of my fellow health bloggers and first-time author Richard Nikoley from the “Free The Animal” blog. Richard is one of those intriguing characters in the Paleo and low-carb world because he acknowledges quite openly that 60 pounds of his weight loss success was as a direct result of carbohydrate restriction before he started feeling bad eating that way and decided to switch things up to include more starchy carbohydrates (particularly potatoes in 2012) into his diet. That’s one thing I’ve always appreciated about Richard is that he’s the quintessential nutritional tinkerer willing to makes shifts here and there that work for him and he shares his personal findings with the people who follow his work. Because of his mostly crass, always direct and oftentimes over-the-top profane nature of communicating what he has to say, Richard tends to find himself with an equal number of people who love him or hate him. And I’m sure that suits him just fine. But one thing’s for sure–there is NO ignoring this man who has an important voice to share that he decided to unleash on the world in one of the hottest-selling books through my Amazon affiliate links in 2012. You can listen to Richard Nikoley talk about his book in my March 2012 interview with him in Episode 555 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show.

Thanks you Jimmy, and to your readers who completed the other side of a real equation by buying the book.

Given the nature of Jimmy's blog and all the great books down the list from mine, I really consider this an honor that's quite humbling. Sales are still going well, actually. Every day.

I firmly believe that here and moving forward, the popularity of both LC and Paleo demands that I, Jimmy, and everyone else, kick the professionalism up a notch in terms of who we cooperate with who's willing to promote us.

Update: Jimmy now has a post up in his own defense.

Comments

  1. Jimmy has a Masters in Public Policy from Regent University, a school founded by The Rev. Jerry Fallwell. http://www.linkedin.com/in/livinlowcarbman

    • Yea, I grew up with Falwell, Hyles, Roberson and went to Tennessee Temple University (I’ve blogged about it should you wish to search).

      Falwell is a shitbag. I actually met him once. I doubt he was a white supremacist. You see, I actually have first hand, personal knowledge of these sorts of people.

      Listen, I do think the beliefs are as whacky as a football bat, but they are not anywhere on the level of a guy like the one I didn’t name.

  2. I have a screenshot if it is taken down.

  3. David Duke was in office around the time Jimmy was studying at the fundamentalist Christian university. He was constantly in the news and Jimmy studied Public Policy. Not humanly possible for him not to know, and he admited as such.

    • “Not humanly possible”

      Oh C’mon. I even only peripherally knew what Duke was about. I tend to ignore the very fringe. They are unimportant.

      If you think that Jimmy is a racist, supremacist, jew hating biggot, then make a real case. So far, nobody has done anything but guilt by association….all these paleo peeps who wax on an on about the poor control of evidence and studies.

      I note that I have 3 comments and you are all three. Bit of a crusade? Are you otherwise known as ELMM or anything?

      • Nightmare on ELMM street. Not me. I like the guy, a lot actually. Thats why it is disappointing.

      • Happy to give him benefit of the doubt. Happier to just move on.

      • Why is it “disappointing”? You would enforce no-talk zones? You would prevent people from talking to people you disagree with? (I’m guessing maybe you’re NOT American but European? Don’t have or believe in the First Amendment?)

        Richard: “all these paleo peeps who wax on and on about the poor control of evidence and studies”

        Yeah, this is what’s really burning me. All these folks RUSHING to declare: “I’ve never ever looked at this stuff (and never will!), but I just *know* it’s eeeevil!”

        (You do? How? Why? Do you even know what it IS?! )

      • I am enforcing a no-talk zone with Elenor.

        You are the weakest link. Goodbye. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI6gZxLnwdw

      • I’ve seen enough quotes of Duke to know I’m not interested. I simply have zero interest in conspiracy theories, whether it’s Jews purported to be behind them or some other oligarchy.

  4. Witch!

    Heretic!

    Raaaaaacist!

  5. (Richard feel free to not post this if the post mentioned below get uploaded)

    My previous comment may be flagged as spam and not published because it had several hyperlinks.

    Here is the comment without the links:

    Jimmy knew who he is.

    Here is Jimmy’s public facebook page Dated Dec 7:

    Post: “Listen to my on-hour interview on the Dr. David Duke Radio Show this morning talking about low-carb, health & diet:

    Comments:
    “[Facebook friend name redacted for privacy] is this the “infamous” David Duke?
    Like · Reply · December 7 at 2:20pm

    Jimmy Moore: Yep

    [name redacted] When I saw this link to the interview you did on David Duke’s radio show, I could not believe my eyes. Jimmy, I have been following you for years now, and respect you and the great work you do. But I have to tell you, I’m really surprised and disappointed that you would appear on this reprehensible hate monger’s show. I understand that you were talking about a public health issue that you are passionate about, but I think it was a serious mistake of judgment and significant moral lapse. When he called you a low carb “wizard” I felt a little nauseous.
    Jimmy, why are you promoting the blog of well-known white supremacist/neo-Nazi and former KKK Grand Wizard? Duke is hateful & harmful to people around the world. I thought you were a religious man? What would Jesus say?

    David Duke is the most recognizable figure of the American radical right, a neo-…
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    [name redacted] I’m shocked at the lack of response to this, Jimmy. How is David Duke even on your radar as a radio show you would want to appear on? Baffled.

    • Yep, busy and didn’t take a lot of stock in a single comment or two. Only when he linked the blog did the outrage get to the level where he took the time to take serious notice, and promptly took down the links.

      Commenters have very little concept of what bloggers like I and Jimmy face with a stream of comments, social media stuff coming at you 24/7. Do you have an idea of what it’s like to often wake up to 40-50 new things to look at when you last looked at stuff at midnight?

      Again, make your case that Jimmy is a NAZI sympathizer beyond association.

      • Richard, that’s a cop out. It’s his job to vet his appearances. He didn’t have him on his show, he went to Duke’s and instead of checking him out, he went blind? I don’t buy it. And I don’t buy the excuse that being inundated with social media feeds means you’re not going to do your homework before an appearance or before you link to a blog to highlight it for your readers. It would be one thing if Jimmy did the radio show and hadn’t realized just who this man is. It wasn’t just that though; he then linked to him in Decembers top blogs not to miss and when questioned about it, confirmed that it was indeed THAT David Duke. He is now doing exactly what he did when confronted with the kimkins mess, he’s deleting and attempting to eliminate all evidence that implicates him and not do the right thing and man up.

  6. Never made the a case that he is Nazi sympathizer.

    Far from a Nazi Sympathizer, Jimmy is actually a sympathetic person and I get tremendous value from his work. His podcast is the who-is-who in the cutting edge of nutrition. And he gives it out for free. That is pretty darn cool. 600 hours of interviews.

    You wrote he told you he did not know who it was, but his reply that yes he is the Infamous David Duke, shows potentially otherwise. That’s all I am saying. And someone studying Public Policy on the graduate level in the one if not the most socially conservative school in the country would more than likely know about the most socially conservative congressman.

    Especially since he says it straight up that it is the infamous DD. If you did not know who someone was and someone asked you is it the infamous one, logic says you would google him if you didn’t know before answering.

    Neo-nazi’s need nutrition advice too. I am turning the other cheek with this one.

    • Hooligan, ok. Yes, I believe that Jimmy knew he was a controversial figure, infamous, whatever. I don’t believe he had a clue of the extent of it. Once the outrage hit, he figured it out.

      I have no doubt he regrets it.

      It’s just a fuck up. He’s no nazi.

      • Yeah, lets give him a pass. Richard, can you please delete all my comments and your replies. I would rather not besmirch his reputation and google juice. His ketones are already lower post Australia and don’t want him to get anxious and fall back into emotional eating. He does a lot for the community.

      • If you do talk to him about this conversation thread, tell him nightmare on ELMM streat still thinks he is a good person. We all have our flaws and make mistakes. I am serious about the deleting part though. Please do it.

      • I’m leaving everything up. We all need to be accountable and Jimmy too. It’s just that this is accountability in exuberance, error in judgment, fuck up, whatever. It’s not anything like certain people have projected because they have their own issues with irrational hate.

        Thanks.

      • BTW, I’ll unban you and you can unmask.

        But tomorrow. I’m involved right now,

      • He is of course not any kind of Nazi because he talked to one. You don’t become anything just by talking to someone about their incredible personal transformation. But this gives DD more credence because Jimmy is a community leader. In the scheme of things, not the worst offense. But a yellow flag.

        The internet makes it a lot easier to fuck up loudly unfortunately. What was once a soft thud heard is now posted all over the interwebs. Before the net we could fail quietly and quickly. He said nothing offensive or even politically incorrect. I understand your keeping it up. It just sucks for both of us. I regret getting worked up after reading your post Richard I guess I am not cut out to be a real Hooligan.

      • Christine says:

        I think some people are misunderstanding Jimmy’s comment when he answered “yep”. Someone had asked Jimmy if this was the David Duke, referring to David Dukes health stuff…not his controversial past. At that time, Jimmy didn’t know who David Duke was as far as his past. Just because Jimmy went to Regent University (which was founded by Pat Robertson, not Jerry Falwell), and has a Master’s in Public Policy, doesn’t mean Jimmy knew/knows who everyone is and what their past is all about.

      • That won’t fly, he was asked if it was the “infamous” David Duke and replied “Yep.”

        Nobody ever referred to any Paleo or LC blogger as “infamous,” it is not the sort of thing that lends itself to infamy, to attain infamy you have to do something that society tends to frown upon.

        Had JM not known exactly who David Duke is and was then he would have wondered “Why did that dude just refer to Duke as infamous?” and maybe done a Google search for “David Duke.”

        He knew all about David Duke.

      • Christine says:

        Wow…some people can be so judgmental… Even if Jimmy knew who David Duke was and linked to his site, that doesn’t mean Jimmy holds the same values. All they talked about on the radio interview was nutrition… nothing else. People can make such a big deal over nothing at all. People think they know Jimmy when they haven’t even met him.

      • “He knew all about David Duke.”

        I doubt it. He likely knew something about Duke, that he was controversial, etc. Not “all”. I myself don’t have any first hand info at all, except for once seeing him in a brief TV news interview when I lived in France—I think it was something having to do with the ’92 presidential race. I know he’s called all sorts of things, but I’d never personally read anything he wrote. Never been to his site, never seen one of the videos, never listened to a podcast.

        But, yesterday, I did read some citations, quotes, and NOW have some first hand info to go on. I still don’t know whether “neo-nazi, anti-Semite, white supremacist” are accurate, or whether racist and separatist are more accurate.

        In any case, I NOW know enough to know that I don’t have the slightest interest in knowing any more. I suspect Jimmy knows a lot more NOW than he did when he did then.

      • “Even if Jimmy knew who David Duke was and linked to his site, that doesn’t mean Jimmy holds the same values.”

        Never said JM holds the same values, imo JM just didn’t care which makes him a dumbass because the backlash was easily foreseeable.

      • The “backlash” in many ways, is the same old dumb, tired, groupthink binary PC thinking.

        There’s a blog comment thread right now at Carbsane where you can see it in action. And certain people are “troubled” that there’s a few comments here defending Duke in one respect or another.

        I really hate guilt by association and I really hate binary thinking, such that Duke is either GOOD or EVIL, and if EVIL, therefore everything he says is evil, therefore everything he says must be condemned and there is only one acceptable form of condemnation: absolute and total. Also, absolute and total condemnation of anyone who doesn’t tow the groupthink line with absolute condemnation.

        Sean is absolutely right on this point, and as well, in his comments over on that site.

        Near as I can tell, Duke is a racist—as are millions of people of all colors and ethnicity—with an irrational, conspiratorial fear of Jews. Does it mean he wants them exterminated? I doubt it because seems to me those would be the quotes I’d be seeing instead of quotes about racial separation and segregation.

        To me, that makes him as uninteresting as any run of the mill average citizen in the deep south up until like just a few decades ago where there were millions of David Dukes running around. I don’t need to condemn him. I need to recognize that there’s nothing to see there and by extension, really not that much to see here either.

      • Jimbo needs to get a real job. He either DID know the serious implications of consorting with such a bigot and just didn’t care, or he genuinely IS a 41 year-old college-educated man with no knowledge of David Duke. Either way he’s simply too stupid to continue living off his dubious weight-loss ‘success’.

        Hey Jimmy – the village called. They want their idiot back. :)

      • Christine

        I am sorry that you are getting involved in this. I feel for you in all this debate.

        I had no idea who Duke was until I clicked through from Jimmy’s page and was greeted with a page of material some of which I found offensive in terms of its antisemitism. I don’t think anyone is saying that Jimmy is an antisemite or racist, but by linking to that page with no disclaimer it looks like he is tacitly supporting its message. All this sounds like guilt by association, but perhaps it is more guilt by cooperation, or at least in biblical terms the idea of being unequally yoked. As a believer I am surprised that Jimmy would wish to be associated with Duke, with all of the KKK background.

      • Christine says:

        Believe me, there are people calling Jimmy all sorts of stuff like that. Just because Jimmy goes on a show with this guy doesn’t make Jimmy a believer in the same things that this person may have had. All they talked about on the interview was nutrition… nothing else. These people that are saying these thing just hate Jimmy for whatever reason. They’ll do anything to tear him down. It’s baffling to me how people could be so ugly to someone they don’t even know or haven’t even met in person. The internet can be a good thing, but in this case, it’s a very bad thing because people can hide behind a computer screen and destroy a person by the things they write while not even really knowing the person they’re writing about. It’s sad that people can be so hateful.

      • Do y’all remember Jimmie doing a four-part interview with Dean Ornish? Does that make Jimmie a vegan!? Does linking to Ornish’s foolishness mean Jimmie is “supporting” Ornish?! Geez folks, grow-the-hell-up!

        If you don’t LIKE what you think — oh, but without investigation, so what you *believe* — someone has posted, then just don’t read their site (Duke)! But to castigate someone (Jimmie) who merely does an interview on a topic and such as he has already done hundreds of times with people across ALL possible fields, is just kneejerk stupidity.

        Panicking and shrieking (hate!) because you’ve been taught to hate and fear what you THINK someone stands for or says or believes? So, you differ from David Duke just how?! (Although, he’s not panicking and shrieking, merely pointing out facts and figures with a specific spin… Y’all wouldn’t know that cause you’re too panicked and scared (or is that brainwashed?) to ever CONSIDER what Duke is saying. (You’ve decided, without research, that his “diet” is false, so you don’t need to run a study… How Big Ag or Big Pharma of you!)

      • Christine, you are very naive if you think people are simply misunderstanding Jimmy’s comments. This is more than doing a radio show with a hate-monger. It is about doing that then linking to the man. But even that isn’t the worst thing he’s done in this. It is that he’s repeating his own history and attempting to scrub away the shit, attempting to revise what’s happened, just like he did way back when with Kimkins. I used to follow Jimmy and the Kimkins thing turned me off to him, it showed a level of dishonesty I didn’t like. I now see, he’s doing it again, showing he learned nothing from that and as the saying goes, a leopard doesn’t change its spots.

      • Christine says:

        Just because he links to the man doesn’t mean that Jimmy agrees with everything the man believes. He did not know what type of person this man was when he did the link. As far as Kimkins…Jimmy admitted he was wrong in promoting her. Once he found out who she really was, he did a post about it and denounced her… or did you not see that?

      • Did you not see that I said he’s doing exactly the same things he did as he did with Kimkins? Back then he removed posts, comments and even had the audacity to change comments to his favor that were negative. Don’t tell me that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He is hoping no one is paying attention or that we don’t have long memories. I know what he did during Kimkins and I see a clear repeat of history here. It’s not about whether Jimmy believes what this man does, it’s that he repeats his own history of trying to revise things to his favor.

      • Christine, you also noted on your facebook that Jimmy is trying to save himself, not that he knows he’s wrong.

        ” This situation could possibly hurt Jimmy’s character if a response of some sort is not given. People who don’t know Jimmy could believe these lies that are being said if a response by Jimmy is not given. After Jimmy makes his response, we’ll leave it at that and people can believe what they want. At least by Jimmy responding, the other side is out there for people to read.”

        What lies exactly have been said?

        He went on Duke’s radio show. Check.
        He linked to Duke’s website as one for his readers to check out. Check.
        He acted dumb when confronted. Check.
        He confirmed it was “that David Duke”. Check.
        He removed confrontation comments. Check.
        He removed entire threads of discussion. Check.
        He’s acted like it was no big deal. Check.

        What lies exactly?

      • Anyone who is Jimmy’s age (I’m his exact age AAMOF) and lived in the US in the late eighties/early nineties knows exactly who he is. He made national news frequently during his political campaigns.

      • Dr. Curmudgon Gee says:

        believe it or not, there’re “hermits” in this world.

        i have not been following Jimmy .

        i had know idea who Duke guy was until yesterday.

        after reading the bouhaha here. Duke _seems_ a statist.
        not worth my while,
        nil interest.

        FYI: i also did not know who OJ was.

        i probably have been a hermit for the last 20+ years.

        regards,

      • “He did not know what type of person this man was when he did the link.”

        Absolute BULLSHIT!

        No one is going to believe that, so if that is the ‘angle’ jimmy is going to use as his plea or ….er… his denouncement so you might want to help your husband come up with a better story.That one won’t fly.

        btw, I hope you have a good job because you will most likely be the only one in the household with a decent income after this. jimmy just destroyed his present money making opportunities, maybe you could steer him deeper into religion. jimmy would make a terrific slimey pastor.

      • Another Skeptic says:

        How could he have even put up a link to Duke’s website without knowing what the website was about? Or even more silly, did he even agree to appear on Duke’s show without doing a simple web search to check him out? Had he not done so, how would he have even known Duke’s views on nutrition?

      • The link he put up was to the diet section.

        Other than one title about Jews & porn, the rest is pretty run of the mill.

        In terms of how, I can answer that because it’s happened to me with podcasts and written interviews. I get an email, requesting and interview, a link to what the person is about, click on it, give a quick glance and respond back in the affirmative.

        I haven’t been pwned like that myself, but I see how it could happen. I will certainly be more careful in the future.

      • Another Skeptic says:

        “The Great Porn Experiment — One More Devastating Jewish Globalist Influence and How to Overcome It!” is on the first page. And if you’re willing to link to a page, have it on a list of “top blogs” you are beyond silly if you don’t click on a link or two, especially one with a title like that.

      • Fortunately, you now have Jimmy’s own post up to go be another skeptic about.

        You do realize that most people aren’t going to care, don’t you? Most people aren’t really ideologically puritanically, PC oriented. They’re in it for what they get out of it.

        Guess what? Do you realize that you probably do business every day with people whose views you would abhor? How about the guy in the mini mart or liquor store with that strange music baring, or a TV channel you can’t understand?

        The fact is, it’s really far better to live life in a context of what you’re doing trade wise or social wise. I’m an atheist? Some days I find religion silly and others, harmful and evil. Same with politics. I live life in context. I don’t live like the sort of PC drone that people like Carbsane attract.

      • Dr. Curmudgon Gee says:

        although i should qualify that

        1) i did not grow up in the south.

        2) if someone that i don’t know wants to interview me, i’d do some homework about the host & get to know him, before accepting the invitation (even i’m a hermit)

        so, i do agree that i don’t believe that Jimmy had not heard of Duke at all.

        regards,

      • Sorry about the mix up with Falwell/Robertson. They kind of blend together in my mind sometimes.

        I’m still a supporter and listener. Jimmy has saved many lives by what he has to say, not by who he says it to. It is just a little eye-brow raising.

        Jimmy may be inadvertently making the world a safer place if violent guys who listen to Duke change their diets.

        http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/perfect-health-diet/201212/violence-are-there-dietary-causes

  7. Big fucking deal. Marxism killed far more people in the 20th century, and the universities are full of Marxists.

  8. Good for Jimmy Moore and boo-hoo to the hand wringing over David Duke.

    It’s hard to believe intelligent people can dismiss the role of (corrosive) Jewish influence in media, the entertainment industry and of course, in American politics, etc , when the anti-White fruits of said influence are all around us now. I don’t agree with everything Duke says, far from it, but he has a lot of good info on his blog and more via his many excellent videos. People would be well advised to give some of that info the ‘fact-check’ experience and draw their own conclusions before running away screaming ‘Nazi’.

    [For an update, please see: Lemons to Lemonade Documentary – Ed]

    • Seriously?

    • Gabriella Kadar says:

      Mary, could you explain the ‘(corrosive) Jewish influence’? Is your beef that Jews are better at making money than Greeks?

      • A more interesting question would be if Mary thinks they are genetically superior at making money.

      • Hey Sean, thought you were through with FTA? Wasn’t it ‘time to move on’? At any rate, a sound decision in retrospect. Why return to watch your former friend Richard defending the JimKKKins webpire? I highly doubt he wants to go down with THAT ship.

        Maybe Jimmy will have to get an actual job now.

        Perish the thought.

      • EV Lynne:

        By the way, you can de-cloak now.

        “Why return to watch your former friend Richard defending the JimKKKins webpire? I highly doubt he wants to go down with THAT ship.

        “Maybe Jimmy will have to get an actual job now.”

        ELMM:

        You’ve been predicting the demise of Jimmy’s “webpire” forever now.

        So when do you get taken to account for being perpetually wrong?

      • Hang on there, what have Greeks got to do with it? Is “Mary” supposed to be Greek?
        I hadn’t noticed in the past but maybe I missed it. Or confusing the names?
        In any case, I’m three-quarters Greek and have lived part of my life in the country, I can tell you with confidence that we feel kin-ship with the Jewish people, our music, our dances, our history/culture have intertwined for millennia.

      • Gabriella, Sean,
        if you get a chance, please reassure me that you see this “Mary” creature is not to be confused with me? I’ve seen her pop up infrequently in the past, noticing because of the name similarity, but never worried about it until now!

      • We aren’t confused by your passive-aggresive French-Canadianess, and your fake embrasure of libertariansh ideas. You and Mary are obviously one and the same.

        Hope that clears things up.

      • Laf. I luv you too :)

      • Luv you too, but ask a stupid question …

      • LeonRover says:

        If Mary has any particular ethnic or religious affiliation, my guess is Irish & Catholic.

        She have zero connection with une certaine zorba-esque MontRealiste.

      • évidemment! I deserved that :)

      • She ‘have’ zero connection?!?!?!

        Leon, sir, you will write out, in longhand, “I can’t get no satisfaction” in Greek AND Latin in all applicable cases 100 times.

      • évidemment!

        I have to admit, it is at times like these that I wish I knew French instead of Spanish (and by knew I’m seriously speaking in the past tense). But, growing up in New Mexico it was the more practical language.

      • LeonRover says:

        Hey, mon, I do street when it apt. (My Bajan friend does not like it . . . . )

        “All the world is a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and entrances; each man in his time plays many parts” and I would add speaks many “Englishes” and Creoles to use the term I learned from Stephan Pinker’s writings.

        No one on this blog ever discusses Ev Psychology (not Psychiatry that means medication) – “reciprocal altruism” etc. and other frontal brain behavoiurs which some suggest have resulted from “generational adaptation”

      • LeonRover says:

        Always at your de-service, Wiki.

      • LeonRover,
        mercy cheri, if it weren’t for a certain homme irlandais très perspicace, reality might not always be as obvious ;)

      • Mr Rover, you Irish cunt. Your attempt at flowery language and dissembling does not impress me, I expect to see your work on my desk tomorrow at eight AM.

        Or else…

      • Ah. Reciprocal altruism sure falls on a wide curve of expression in humans… and has me still smiling today.
        The ‘Blank slate’ (not) takes every language.
        Though Sean’s direction stalled my brain suddenly, “I can’t get no satisfaction” works perfectly in Greek (the double negative has it’s own special form, κανένας/καμία, providing the same meaning as the ‘bad’ english) – Sean, you’re just an intuitive classicist….’tis surely better than knowing French! :)

      • LeonRover says:

        My first wife had an Irish cunt – my second wife had a Welsh-Scottish cunt.

        I’ve had many a cunt “or should I say they once had me”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY5i4-rWh44

        “isn’t it good”!!!!!!

      • LeonRover says:

        My Welsh-Scottish ex decided I was a “passive aggressor” because I needed some reciprocity from her Venus to my Mars.

        Of course, she had not the insight of one of my bosses whos called it “charming non-cooperation” – I have found the notion of reciprocity to be paramount.

        And, what about Cheating and Reciprocity . . . . I DO like Pinker.

      • Though Sean’s direction stalled my brain suddenly, “I can’t get no satisfaction” works perfectly in Greek (the double negative has it’s own special form, κανένας/καμία, providing the same meaning as the ‘bad’ english) – Sean, you’re just an intuitive classicist….’tis surely better than knowing French! :)

        The double negative is interesting but there was no intuition there, thanks anyway, just a Rolling Stones quote. Slavic languages also have the double negative, and a Swedish friend of mine thinks it proves that Slavic languages are inferior, he quotes Kierkegaard when making this argument.

        Slaves will even use the triple negative,

        “ja nikdy nejsem nikde”

        I’m never anywhere, or perhaps I am always nowhere.

      • I like Pinker too, from straight-forward titles like “How the mind works” to tongue-in-cheek like “The blank slate”.
        Reciprocity though….sometimes, sure, but I was partly raised in a culture that says “κάνε το καλό και ρίξ’το στο γιαλό” – which is closest to doing good for ‘good karma’ or even somewhat like the ‘pay it forward’ idea here.
        That is, it’s explicitly Not in expectation of a direct return by the same individual.
        So I’ve always been interested in looking at ideas that altruism is perhaps an ‘instinct’ that remained in the gene pool (obviously not in everyone nor to the same degree) because it provided an evolutionary survival advantage to a small group/band.
        Still, I’ll see your Norwegian wood and raise you one Black magic woman…belly-dancing! (reciprocity or generosity – depends on relative value? :)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDLLXUaqZxg

      • “Slaves will even use the triple negative, ”

        Or Slavs

      • Sean, I see, not intuitive in that sense, I meant ‘naif’ or ‘natural’ (you can’t keep a good compliment down, it won’t stay:)
        .
        You can tell that Swedish Kierkegaard fan that since it doesn’t get much more ‘superior’ language-wise than Greek (hence alte-Deutch patterned after Attican dialect, yes?) and they use even triple negative, as in the wife’s lament “Δεν πάμε πουθενά ποτέ” – “we don’t go nowhere never” – then the use of negatives is a sign of sophisticated linguistic development, if it’s anything!

      • Gabriella Kadar says:

        Terribly Sorry Marie. Clearly a case of misidentification. I was somewhat surprised to read that ‘cut and paste’ crap. In future, I’ll have my morning cup of tea before checking the comments section. Much apologies.

        Hoping that Mary crawls back under her rock.

      • LeonRover says:

        Any moment now, Shawn, and you want to discuss the Cretan Liar Paradox.

        The notion of double negative creating a positive arises in mathematics once the notion of negative numbers have been defined and are in use. Any algebra has to work like that, simply for consistency.

        While existence and non-existence can be mapped onto 0 & 1 and thus the Logic of Binary Circuits – the mapping of existence onto Truth (T) and non-existence onto False (F) has no reference whatsoever onto another meaning of False and True – Deception and Non-Deception. This is about whether communicationg humans deceive other humans about the thoughts thatt are in their heads.

        (It is thus related to Reciprocity and Cheating.)

        The so-called Cretan Liar problem is an exercise in whether an algorithm can lead to upper and lower limts separated by as small a gap as desired or whether the gap remains finite.

        So, marie, do not worry that your Cretan has a Probleme!!

        Lawyer language adopted the convention (cancelling double negatives) as it can make some things more precise. The high languages of the elites (mostly) followed suit – certainly in Georgian England. Patois and demotics and “street” continued with the convention of the double negative as re-inforcing.

        Triple re-inforcing is MEGA COOL!!

      • marie, but surely language has advanced since classical Greek?

        I was seriously interested in whether cases represented an advance or decline of language, after sort of learning Czech cases. Might have even have discussed it with that Irish sophist hereabouts. My conclusion is that there’s a general tradeoff but that word order over case structure is an improvement and simplification.

        Linguistics in general can be a pretty fascinating subject.

      • Thanks for getting back to me Gabriella, much appreciated.
        Here’s to hoping….

      • “Any moment now, Shawn, and you want to discuss the Cretan Liar Paradox.”

        Okay, I realize you are taking the piss but spelling my name wrong, especially by a mick bastard, well that’s just beyond the pale.

        Beyond the pale!

      • You’re right Sean, it’s advanced considerably, the examples I’ve given are actually in Modern Demotic. It’s still built on the basic Attican grammatical cases, which themselves are ‘advanced’ in their enablement of Accurate constructions (I see the trade-off as accuracy and uniformity over simplification), but the current syntax and even the street forms allow more flexibility while actually increasing precision. Hence the mega-cool triplets – quite emphatic!

      • LeonRover says:

        Marie, you might raise Norwegian wood with Santana but Irish wood likes Magie Brune. :) :)

        Altruism is for genetic relatives “reciprocal altruism” is within the band or village. When reciprocation is perceived as always unfair or never happens it becomes Cheating, then one needs an Intermediary and eventually Leviathon.

      • LeonRover, you’ve done it now, I’m speechless ….. ha, perhaps a flattering reaction in more than one way ! :) :) :)
        Tiens, a non-magical Brune – autour des jours :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CaSfbL7T2k

      • LeonRover says:

        Oh, and Sean, the Actual Micks, Na Gael, were always beyond the Pale – a barrier of Palings, from latin Palus or Stake.

      • Leon, I don’t care, you are dead to me. As soon as I finish writing this comment you are dead to me. And you didn’t capitalize Latin ya fucking Mick.

      • LeonRover says:

        I’m really happy to be a fucking Mick – you are a Mick from within the Boston Pale.

        You are not much fun and so more a Pale Sojourner in Brat Ellis’ “Less than Zero”.

      • I am indeed Irish Sir, good guess ;)

      • Maybe ask The ‘Golden Dawn’ , (Greece’s fastest growing political party) how they view the subject, eh Marie?

    • Rather remarkable that you actually believe that but it is a big country no matter how nutty a belief happens to be you will find people who swallow it hook line and sinker.

    • Mary, just so you know, I initially deleted your comment, then restored it when I see other people defending Duke.

      I guess I’ll let everyone else roll eyes over your anti-semitism.

      • And just so you know, I fully expected you to delete my comment and to dismiss the reality of Jewish influence on American politics and their over representation in media as (supposed) “anti-semitism”. I already said I don’t agree with all Duke says, but he does indeed give voice to some unpalatable truths.

      • By the way, I didn’t say that in a snarky tone, just the truth.
        I like your writings and have enjoyed your blog for some time now, that we differ on this is not going to change any of that for me, and I hope you won’t be attacked for allowing a ‘nazi’ (lol) like me to comment.

        Wishing you and all your readers a bountiful 2013.

      • Mary

        Ok. I think if we all look back, we all have family members and friends we love with views eve more divergent.

      • Mary, here’s what you don’t understand. I don’t dismiss the Jewish influence. I’m not Jewish. I clap. The only thing that pisses me off about Jews in the large is that I often feel humbled by the hugeness of their individual accomplishments.

        If you’re gonna tag race and ethnicity, then I’m going to be honest and they’re looking pretty damn good.

      • You are an intelligent man Richard, of that there is no doubt. But I suspect you haven’t given much time, thought nor attention to what is commonly referred to as ‘the Jewish Question’.
        There was a time I didn’t either.
        It is not the “outstanding accomplishments” of individual Jews that causes the challenges Duke and many others hi-light, it is their work as a Tribe, the ‘what’s good for Jews’ priority, and the anti-White agenda that all too often seems to accompany it. One small example of many is American Jewess Barbara Spectre and her use (more like abuse) of Swedish taxpayer monies to fund her mission to “teach Europeans how to be Multicultural”:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug

      • Mary:

        Who even uses the term “Jewess” anymore?

        At any rate, whether or not there are lots of individual Jews acting as a tribe, i.e., pooling resources, promoting each other, trying to use their influence to their primary benefit and advantage is irrelevant to me. The world is replete with tribes of all sorts. All I care about is whether they initiate force directly or by proxy via State force—and most do in one way or another through various lobbying, legislation, etc.

        This is not a Jew problem, black problem, white problem, corn growers problem, drug manufacturer problem, NFL problem, Christian problem, ethnic problem or anything of the sort.

        It’s a force problem—the idea that it’s ever appropriate for any individual or group to force their values upon any other individuals or groups. That’s the problem to deal with.

      • Like I said earlier, it is clear this is not an area you have given much time or detailed attention to. I don’t expect you to see it any deeper than you do given that. You simply don’t know what you don’t know, and this is not exactly a topic any of us seeks to spend time on until we see it as important to research. And I do.

        However, your claim that this Jewish “tribal” behavior is irrelevant to you is simply not true. It is unfortunately extremely relevant to us all due to the effects on our lives. And these are numerous.

        Ps: I use the term Jewess for a female Jew, a term Jews themselves use, today:
        i.e: http://barefoot_jewess.blogspot.com
        http://themadjewess.com/

      • Mary:

        I don’t know how many ways I can convey to you that I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING DUKE HAS TO SAY.

        I am also not familiar with the intricacies of making mud pies. I’m happy to remain in ignorant bliss.

      • Regarding “jewess”,

        Lots of women playfully call each other bitch. It’s still not appropriate for me to casually call a woman bitch.

        Lots of blacks call each other nigger. It’s still not OK for me to casually call my black friend nigger.

        My friends and I call each other motherfucker. It’s still not OK for others to casually call me motherfucker.

        Your usage of Jewess was obviously calculated to ostracize Jews. That’s fine, but please don’t act like you’re just using a normal every-day word.

        As for the Jewish conspiracy, I say so what? My “authority driven” solution to that would be the same solution as to any other problem. End all government distortions. More freedom for everybody, less crony capitalism all around.

        What Duke and you are doing is perpetuating a victim mentality. “Woe is us! We can’t get ahead ‘cuz the Jews are holding us down!” I DON’T CARE. Quitcher bitchin’, put on your big girl panties, and go out there and do the best you can do.

        Nobody ever became successful by making somebody else less successful.

      • LoL@ Joshua’s list of ridiculous rules for what we can and cannot say. Too bad for you I don’t need your approval to use the word “jewess” and if it’s good enough for numerous female Jews to use it, so will I.

        @ Richard:

        I never said you had to move away from your “ignorant (and supposed) blissful” state; I just made clear that it is exactly where you are, so trying to have some kind of intelligent conversation about this subject with you would be pointless given you simply don’t know enough about it to participate in a substantial way.

        Most likely, like many of us before you, the day will come where you will start to learn more about it, not because you suddenly wanted to, but because circumstances have deemed it so.

      • Of course you can say anything you please! I said as much.

        It just means you’re an asshole.

      • “I never said you had to move away from your “ignorant (and supposed) blissful” state”

        Mary. You still don’t really get it. See, I am very perfectly happy—delighted, even—to live in absolute blissful ignorance about the intracacies and in-outs-in-betweens of _DR_ David Duke.

        “so trying to have some kind of intelligent conversation about this subject with you”

        See? I’m not even interested to have any conversation. I agree, though. We could actually have an “intelligent conversation” of just what happens when you toss your rot down the In-Sink-Erator. But in spite of just how marvelously intelligent it could be, I simply have better things to do.

        Unlink many, I don’t really begrudge you your love of dissecting and reducing garbage. I have no fear of it and far from condemning you, I salute you.

        Dirty job. Someone. Y’know?

      • Mary

        I’m quite certain Joshua’s rendition of derogatory terms that are OK in a certain context was completely out of context for you.

        But I want to give you all the rope you need. This is a different, self policing blog. I really, really want people to read everything you write.

        So please write more.

      • You think my being called an “asshole” by some internet wussy bothers me? lol, umm, no. I just consider the source ;)

        And although I understand you have an image to uphold here, you don’t strike me as a man who who really wants to engage in this topic at all since (again) you’ve already made your ‘blissfully ignorant’ status clear.
        Btw: Despite your attempt at treating the subject as irrelevant tripe, race realism is fast becoming the most important topic of our time, and many Whites are waking up to that after the last election.
        Why?
        Because more Whites voted for Romney than even voted for Reagan, and he still lost.
        There’s a message in that, and the message is something like “Demography is Destiny”.

      • “race realism is fast becoming the most important topic of our time”

        For racists, sure. That’s like saying that car repair is fast becoming the most important topic to car mechanics.

        The far larger trend is racial and and cultural homogenization owing to ease of travel, relocation, international business and so on. There’s simply no stopping it, not that I would even want to.

        In fact, I celebrate it.

        I keep saying it: I don’t give a fuck about the color of anyone’s skin. Never have, never will.

      • That’s Internet SUPER wussy to you Mary!

      • lol@ “celebrating” the “inevitable browning” of America! So suck it up Whitey, right? You sound just like Tim Wise, the “anti-racist” jewish man, who wrote this after the 2010 elections:

        Tim Wise’s Open Letter to White People

        Whatever the case, and whatever your economic station, know this…

        You need to drink up.

        And quickly.

        And heavily.

        Because your time is limited.

        Real damned limited.

        So party while you can, but mind the increasingly loud clock ticking away in the corners of your consciousness.

        The clock that reminds you how little time you and yours have left.

        Not much more now.

        Tick, tock.
        Tick, tock.

        Tick.

        Tock.

        You don’t have children, and the ones you are close to, and speak of on here (your wife’s family) are already “Brown” , so really, why would you care?

        @ Josh–yeah, super-wussy fits you just fine.

      • Yep, abject racism.

        Let me add cunt to that.

        How impoverished you are.

      • AnalogMan says:

        Classy.

  9. I find it pretty hard to believe that Jimmy has never heard of David Duke. I’ve definitely heard of him and I’m not from the South, but I think I’m around the same age. I’m pretty sure it was when Duke was running for governor, and doing pretty well, that he hit national notoriety.

    On the other hand, I’ve listened to a lot of Jimmy Moore podcasts, and corresponded with him in email, and he strikes me as a very straightforward guy. I simply don’t buy that he’s a devious crypto-nazi or that he does much in the way of lying in general. Unless my bullshit meter is seriously broken, and I have no reason to think it is, my gut feeling is to believe him.

    To figure out who you were talking about I had to Google it and Melissa’s bile aggregator site came up first, where Jimmy’s already been convicted without a shadow of a doubt in the court of PC doublethink. I just looked briefly, but there were some Duke quotes that would be perfectly acceptable had they been said by someone like Sharpton, with the appropriate nouns changed.

    I don’t know if Duke is a neo-Nazi or just a white supremacist, but talking to a Nazi doesn’t make you one, of course. Here in Europe it’s still fashionable to be a Maoist, never mind that he killed way more people than Hitler. I remember hearing an interview with the band Alabama 3, on the BBC, who style themselves as Maoist and have a song riffing Mao, “Mao Tse Tung Said”, on the same album as their hit song that got used for the Sopranos. The band was joking about how their tour of the American South was a failure because these rednecks weren’t interested in their Maoist rap/country/blues music. Neither the BBC, nor the producers of the Sopranos, were worried about any sort of stigma of chatting with and plugging these followers of a mass murderer, for as long as he’s a left wing mass murderer, there’s not going to be any stigma (not that Hitler was especially right-wing of course).

    Not that I care, I have Cold Harbour Lane and it’s a great fucking album. Having lived in Hollywood, and spent a lot of time around musicians, they are the last people on Earth whose political opinions I give a shit about, by and large.

    A3 is just one example of hundreds here in Europe. The amount of Maoists or semi-reformed Maoists in Sweden’s pseudo-intelligentsia is simply stunning. And here in the Czech Republic, a country that suffered under imperialist communism Nazism is way more taboo than Stalinism.

    It is simply amazing the hypocrisy of the PC mainstream left-leaning culture which tells us which mass murderers it’s okay to adore, and which ones ought to be cast into the furthest pits of hell. As far as I’m concerned, they were all statist war-mongering assholes.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy a Che Guevara shirt.

    • Great post.

      Wearing a Che t-shirt is acceptable; one with Eichmann on it would be met with utter shock and indignation.

    • I was just in email w Sean 5 seconds ago agreeing that this is an important identification. Irrational as a racist, jew fearing guy like DD is, he hasn’t killed a few hundred million people.

      http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

      How many intellectuals in American colleges and universities still promote some of those guys?

      • Not a lot, but way too many.
        It’s especially nauseating when considering that there is supposedly ‘good intent’ (for the greater good, doncha know) and idealism behind the residual support for some of the ‘leftist’ murderers and thugs of the past century.
        I can understand it ‘in the beginning’ because idealism can blind people to reality at least temporarily, while state suppression of information in many countries was quite effective for a long time so as to mislead many well-intentioned people abroad into thinking the ‘rumors’ of oppression and atrocities were just right-wing or enemy propaganda.
        However it is simply inexcusable after a few decades of information and certainly today.
        They are now just intellectually bankrupt apologists for murderers.

  10. Mary! +1 +1 +1

    Do y’all just not see the insane kneejerk hysteria EVERYone is having? So WHAT if Jimmie did an interview with Dr. David Duke? So many people are running around screaming about “eeeeevil” — and yet I can bet not a damned one of them (one of you?!) has EVER read anything by Duke, or listened to any of his programs!

    Just like the folks who instantly and automatically say: “Oh! I could NEVER give up bread!” many of y’all are screaming “Oh! I could NEVER listen to this man who has been so demonized by the media!” Hmmm, yeah, that would be the media that is selling you grains and industrial lubricants 24/7?! The media that has proven to be SUCH a trustworthy source of nutrition information (and political information) (and is censoring all news about legally owned guns reducing crime); why, they MUST be reliable about everything else!

    Instead of blindly stampeding shrieking “racist! anti-semite!” (that would be: stampeding in the direction you’ve been TAUGHT to always and *automatically* stampede — and taught BY the media! Gee, how did that happen, eh?!); how about applying an ever-so-slightly open mind and willingness to check out if, just perhaps, “just this once” {disgusted eye roll} — the media might have it wrong?! You do have to “manage” your inculcated-since-childhood automatic reaction of horror and disgust at words you’re not allowed to say in public… but dja think, just maybe, there MIGHT be something of value there that you’re being carefully taught to look away from?!?

    Or are y’all the kind of folks who throw out anyone paleo — say, maybe, that Nikoley guy — who doesn’t toe the EXACT party line as decided by the “Official Paleo Mgmt Committee”?! “He eats potatoes, so he CAN’T be paleo?! He’s eeeeevil!” Make up your own damned minds on the basis of some ACTUAL investigation– don’t just believe the media. (Jesus, why does ANYone believe the media?!? About anything?!?)

    Example: (many years ago, when I was much younger) I worked with a woman who was deeply deeply christian, which meant I *discounted* everything she had to say about … well … everything! Why, I “reasoned” to myself, would I listen to a woman who didn’t even believe in evolution? She had to be pretty stupid to hold that belief against ALL the information out there… But, one day, as I was exasperatedly listening to her hold forth on some business topic… I realized to my amazement that she REALLY knew what she was saying about how to manage this biz problem! That made me really uncomfortable, because it meant I had to reconsider my instant and automatic discarding of anything this (and by extension, other) christian had to say about non-religious topics.

    Open your minds, stop automatically doing what you’ve been taught to do without thinking about it!

  11. Sean: I don’t know if Duke is a neo-Nazi or just a white supremacist,

    Approximately, from my own understanding after *actual* research…. (oooooh! Doesn’t that make ME a racist and anti-semite, too?! (Just like Jimmie Moore?!) Cause anyone who even LOOKS in this direction has to be one, right? Cause the media says so?! And the media never ever lies!!)(Just ask them.):

    Duke is a white SEPARATIST (not supremacist — supremacist is the slur word the media uses to shut down ANY conversation or consideration of someone’s position. Just like using “racist” to shut down ANY discussion and consideration of racial quotas or affirmative action; or using “anti-semite” to shut down ANY discussion and consideration of whether America should use billions of OUR dollars to bail out, say, California and American home-owners, rather than to support Israel without strings, even while it continues to sell our military secrets and technology to China and commits war crimes against various Arabs around it…

    Duke wants whites (“European-descended folks”) to have their own cultural rights just as every other nationality and race does. He wants there to be places where the immigration that dilutes ANY culture is — if not disallowed, then certainly — managed! Why is it okay to flood “white” countries with every other race, but NOT okay to flood “non-white” countries with whites? Why is it not acceptable to even *discuss* this? Why is it okay for there to be a “Black Congressional Caucus” but not a white one? (Dja even KNOW that a *white* Congressman who was elected and re-elected by his *majority black* district was REFUSED entry — because it’s not ABOUT even-handed and open negotiation about what’s best for blacks in their majority-districts… it’s about dividing up racial spoils?! Gee, why didn’t the media cover that?!)

    Stop running away screaming and try investigating… See if there IS any actual matter there, not just stuff you’ve been taught to flee!

    • Blog went from Peace Train to Crazy Train in three days.

    • Thanks for explaining, Eleanor. Still not interested, and yes, I do know the distinction between separatism and supremacism.

      I am not interested in ANY racism, and yes, I do see a lot of it by “people of color” (a racial slur in itself). Yep, there’s a double standard. I prefer to speak out about that, not be a racist because other people are.

      I do not give a fuck about the color of anyone’s skin. I also don’t care about so-called dilution of European descended people.

      In the end, we’re all brown. So what.

      • Gabriella Kadar says:

        Gawd, alas Richard, I’m pink. It’s not a good thing though because the skin don’t tan. Damn.

      • “In the end, we’re all brown. So what.”

        If it happened naturally, not at the behest of other people intentionally attempting to accomplish the end of white people (the de facto global policy is “Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, Israel for Jews, and White countries for everyone), it’d be akin to saying “evolution will happen, whatever will be will be”… but the existence and continued success of identifiable groups who intentionally want to end all white majorities (for fear of another supposed “Hitler uprising” against them) makes it far, far more similar to a simple person living in the colonies circa 1776 who says “In the end, we’re all human. So what if we remain British colonies?” If it weren’t so darned clear that it is an intentional, not organically decentralized occurrence, I would *still* care about the dilution of European people, due to the unique traits we have… just like Siberian tigers, or spotted owls, or bald eagles. When you see just how even a simple, basic defense of existence of the European genotype is aggressively attacked, you see it’s not about hostility towards “hatred”, but hostility towards our mere existence.

      • “just like Siberian tigers, or spotted owls, or bald eagles.”

        So what’s your solution? Prevent interracial marriage? How about we put some white people in human zoos so we can maintain their pristine whiteness?

        Interracial and intercultural marriage is probably just as important as international trade for making the world little by little, a more peaceful, prosperous and safe place.

      • Well done Steve. I was going to jump on this outrageous line of Richard’s earlier, as it just begs for a response, but there are only so many hours in the day, lol.

        Interracial and intercultural marriage is probably just as important as international trade for making the world little by little, a more peaceful, prosperous and safe place.

        Although I know you wish this were true Richard, it isn’t. The evidence clearly shows that this kind of forced ‘die-versity’ in fact increases mistrust and produces less harmony:

        http://www.ilanamercer.com/TheMiseryOfDiversity.htm

        When an academic discovers what ordinary mortals have known for eons, it’s called science. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam has found that diversity is not a strength, but a weakness; the greater the diversity in a community, the greater the distrust. Prof. Putnam’s five-year study was reported last year by the Financial Times, and is finally percolating down to others in the media and blogosphere.

        In diverse communities, Putnam observed, people “hunker down”: they withdraw, have fewer “friends and confidants,” distrust their neighbors regardless of the color of their skin, expect the worst from local leaders, volunteer and carpool less, give less to charity, and “agitate for social reform more,” with little hope of success. They also huddle in front of the television. Activism alternates with escapism, unhappiness with ennui.

        *read it all at source.

      • Laf

        Robert Putnam. Collects data in 2001, publishes in 2006, and it’s 2013.

        Look, Mary. I have lived and travelled all over the world (8 years living abroad, extensive time in a half dozen countries and moderate time, visits in 2 dozen others), since 1982.

        Putnam is full of shit. I know it first hand.

        It’s so easy to look at transitional periods of cultural shift and ascribe growing pains and difficulties to the long term and ignore the overall trend.

        It’s particularly easy for a disgusting racist such as yourself.

      • “disgusting racist”, lol…….oooooo, what a devastating response. *eyeroll*

        And no worries Richard, I knew we were headed to this kind of silly, impotent namecalling sooner or later, for there is nothing left for you to say. Putnam wasn’t full of shit by a long shot, and the crime stats (which you conveniently ignore) back his research up. Plus, Putnam is far from the only one carrying this message.
        Whites reading this ought to be paying rapt attention to the links myself and others have dropped in; this information could save your life, or the lives of your children/loved ones someday.

        Happy New Year :)

      • Mary, would you please just get the fuck out? I have zero interest in lending anything to anyone so shallow as to allow skin color to mean anything n terms of individuals.

        You are a racist. I hate racists. I hate you.

        BTW, I never ignore stats, data. Ever. But they never, ever apply to any particular individual. Ever. You are a racist.

        Go away.

      • AnalogMan says:

        Compelling argument. Measured, rational.

      • I know Analog, some deep n devastating stuff there, huh ;)

        Ps: but Richard, only a few posts above you said this to me:
        I want to give you all the rope you need. This is a different, self policing blog. I really, really want people to read everything you write.
        So please write more.

        Hmm, “please write more” then “I hate you cunt, please leave”, lol….mixed messages I’d say!

        But don’t worry dear, now that you have been reduced to nothing but namecalling and screeching, I shall leave you to your ‘tough guy’ posturing in peace ……

    • It’s great to read a woman who is awake to the game Elenor, good stuff. Happy New Year :)

      • To you as well, Mary. Keep ducking the brickbats of those trained to automatically throw them at any dissent!

    • If nothing else, we now know which FTA readers have white sheets hanging in their closets.

  12. The only time whites need to be separated from darks is when a spin cycle is involved.

    • Unfortunately for us, the facts (via FBI stats), say otherwise:

      http://www.occidentaldissent.com/color-of-crime/

    • John Derbyshire’s infamous “The Talk: Nonblack Version”:
      http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire#axzz1rAwW8l1q

      • That’s the column that got him fired by the weenies @ National Review and is a must-read for all, parents especially.

      • I’m a Derb fan going way back. I doubt he’s a racist like Mary, which is why the facts of the matter are directed at children.

        He likely could have written a similar article for kids focussing on heavily tattood people, of any color, perhaps similar stats.

        Skin color is merely convenient. Thing is, the chickens that have come home to roost has nothing whatever to do with skin color in terms of cause, but in terms of effect. Whites got the upper hand in industrialization early, along with weapons and technology, and on part, decided to use that power to enslave people with dark skin.

        THAT is our Original Sin, if we have one, and while I do wish that everyone would go forth, since all slaves are dead, now (in the US), we are simply reaping an understandable (not justifiable) measure of what was sowed so long ago.

        There is a vicious circle element to it, now, particularly with the drug war that just exacerbates the whole deal.

        IQ is probably bogus. I’ll bet a 70 IQ black HG will far outlive most white people dropped on their area on Africa, left to survive by their own means. IQ is likely simply a test for conforming to some society or cog in machine norms.

        I could go on. I doubt Derb is a racist.

      • He likely could have written a similar article for kids focussing on heavily tattood people, of any color, perhaps similar stats.

        Wow, I’ve read a lot of silly commentary on Derb’s “The Talk”, but this is without a doubt the most stupid comment yet. Well done you!

        Let’s see a bit of what Derb actually wrote:

        (10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

        (10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

        (10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

        (10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

        (10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

        (10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

        (10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

        (10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

        (10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

        (11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

        Derb, the man you claim to be a fan of from “way back”, is indeed a race-realist.

        He finishes the “Talk” with this:

        … if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.

      • fnn

        Following up, I’m surprised I missed this news event. Guess it wasn’t important in the large scheme of things. I’ve been checking into it more. Interesting stuff.

        Here’s his take:

        http://www.johnderbyshire.com/April2012/page.html

        In the Talk article itself, there’s a lot that’s simply matters of fact. Inconvenient facts to some, I guess. There are a few places where I think he generalizes too much, but again, the subject is children, not adults. This is a point in his defense I haven’t seen anywhere, yet.

        I liked this bit from that link:

        ~~~

        * Hurt feelings

        • FAQ: Did I not realize, when writing the piece, that it would hurt a lot of people’s feelings?

        • Reply: No. I never gave a moment’s thought to readers’ feelings. Why should I? I assume I am writing for an adult readership, who can manage their own feelings.

        Are we so infantilized that a writer must constantly worry that something he has said might have driven someone, somewhere to tears? When H.L. Mencken mocked hillbillies and the “booboisie,” was he ever struck by anxiety that some reader might be devastated by his words, or thrown into a swoon? I very much doubt it; but we were a grown-up nation in those days.

        I think this question, which really has been quite frequently asked, has mostly come from white liberals, in whose minds black Americans actually are equivalent to children, or pets, whose feelings it would be flagitious to hurt. In this respect I am more of an egalitarian than my liberal acquaintances. I regard my black readers as adults: more dangerous than average, statistically speaking, to be sure, but still adults, whose feelings need no particular attention from me.

        And what about those black journalists I started my piece with, taking their kids aside to give them The Talk about how they are in daily peril from evil whites? Are their effusions not hurtful (what a sissy, infantile word! — you can’t utter it without whining) to whites? But I guess we Ice People don’t really have any feelings worth noticing.

        ~~~

        Ha, I should put that as the lede to my Manifesto.

  13. 1. I don’t care what people think in terms of prejudice. It’s irrelevant to me for the same reason I still do business with government agencies and buy electronics from companies that make drones that kill little kids: it’s outside of my sphere of relevance.

    2. I don’t care who benefits from what I write or theorize on — even if it was Idi Amin himself. In my opinion, there’s a strong correlation between ω−6 fatty acids and violent behavior (not proven, of course) that I’ve seen “fixed” among my hard temper friends who select a ω−3 balanced diet. What if Mr. Duke hopped on a paleo real food diet and we actually saw some of his opinions change?

    3. To me, the feminist-Maxists among BigUni are as complicit in the deaths of millions as the Nazi sympathizers were in WWII. All those supporting any BigGovt have the same irrational behaviors. Big deal.

    4. I’m not white. At best, I might be 50% white, and probably not even that high. But I still think if people want to suggest there should be white rights, or black right, or men’s rights or women’s rights, that’s fine with me. It’s close-minded thinking, but it exists in such a large percentage of the population that there’s absolutely nothing I can do except what I’m already doing: try to convince individuals to repudiate all groupthink mentality.

    Kudos to Jimmy Moore for creating a shit storm. It’s a good PR move if anything, and I’ll probably get back to reading his site again just because he’s riled the cretins up. Nothing better than watching a bunch of little teat-suckers crying louder for mommy to look under the bed for the monster.

  14. So did he go on the show and talk about diet or Jews?
    If it was about diet, it’s just another interview to me.
    Guilt by association?

    Who knows,maybe if some of those Duke followers got some decent whole brain haling food in them , they might lose their insanity and change ways.

  15. I meant “healing” above.

    Is it me or is Jimmy’s site down.
    Can’t seem to connect.

  16. More pathetic north american hand-wringing and dichotomy. Whata fucking bore. What’s next, are people going to start throwing around clichéd marriage of opposites to support there irrational fears (oh, and when I had my epiphany it was like silent thunder!). Also, if your going to reference the Nazi’s and ww2 learn something about the factors at play. There were no fucking heroes and villains. Just scared young boys on the battlefield, pissing there pants in fear and jerking one another off for some form of comfort. The whole fucking world had a hand in creating these horrors so fuck off with these piss poor analogy’s, I know our system of education sucks but for fucks sake use rational before hysterics.

  17. Back in New Orleans, I worked my way through college at a press that specialized in newspapers. They printed all kinds of newspapers, college papers, sales catalogues, auction catalogues, the local gay newspaper, whatever whatever whatever, paid the bills, and not one, but two of David Duke’s newspapers.

    He used to bring the paste-ups in personally, so I interacted with him weekly. He had one KKK paper and one for black power. He bleached his hair, wore eye makeup, and his bodyguard and he seemed awfully close.

    I heard he got called out on the black power paper and claimed he was just using it to collect information on the movement.

    He made a lot of money selling racist memorabilia. I think that was his main motivation, selling trinkets to suckers.

    Then he seems to have decided that he could make more money going mainstream. Had his nose and eyes done, and started blow drying his hair. No more mascara.

    I kept some of the papers but threw them out because I worried that the kids would find them and think I sympathized. Wish I still had them. Kids would not think I was a sympathizer, just a collector of strange historical ephemera.

  18. Jimmy’s post is up.

    http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/if-im-a-neo-nazi-then-i-guess-dr-william-davis-and-dr-doug-mcguff-are-too/17210

    I think he did a very good job on it. When you read the history of it, perhaps you’ll better understand the plausibility that he didn’t know who David Duke is, or what he was about.

    Also, there’s a bombshell aspect as well, which is given away by the title.

    • He did a good job.

      • I don’t think he did a good job.

        What I saw was more finger pointing….ooh look, Davis and McGuff did it so why are you mad at me, they did it first. So much wailing and whining like a depressed harpy. Suck it up and stop acting like a pussy. You made a poor business decision so simply admitt you were wrong like a man and go on. I don’t believe you when you said you don’t know what a neo nazi was. I still say bullsit.

      • I would have posted the above comment on his blog but I was banned a few years ago. I guess you can see why.

    • Re the bombshell, it is difficult not to conclude that the whole “movement” is the province of people on the fringes of society who will never be taken seriously.

      Unless you are selling snake oil why would you possibly appear on David Duke’s show?

      Maybe I have been the dumbass, I did not put 2 + 2 together and realize that people that are on the fringe with respect to nutrition are also highly likely to be on the fringe in all other aspects of their lives.

      Nobody wants to be associated with Mary the Dog Faced Woman from the traveling carnival who rants about the corrosive role of jews or Elenor The Racist Bitch who is an apologist for racial separatists. These people like David Duke are human cancers, nothing good comes from associating with them,

      • lol, you feel better now after your tantrum? And believe me darling, my face is beautiful :)

      • Rob:

        It’s not that simple. Now in my latest post I did explain why I’m not interested in Duke and his separatism.

        However, you have to consider that evolutionarily, we’re probably separatists, tribalists. That means it’s at least not a completely foreign thing, outta the blue with no precedent. I think it’s irrational, primitive in the context of modern life but I’ve been mulling over it all day and I don’t think it’s so dangerous as all that.

  19. Classic ultra-liberal shaming tactics in action. You see this quite frequently with militant Feminists as well. If you listen to anyone with a pro-male rights angle, you must support rape, slut-shaming, violence, etc, etc. See the recent Warren Farrell protests in Canada, for example.

    As expected, Richard nailed it with the binary (no grey allowed) thinking. I see a dummy that didn’t research his host, not a person who must agree with 100% of the views of anyone he linked to. Association online is much different than actually being friends with someone IRL. I guess all the critics don’t have any friends on FaceTurd that might have said something that might offend when taken out of context.

  20. I sympathize with German soldiers in WW2, and also Russian soldiers. Most German and Russian soldiers were decent folk thrust into evil for mad men. Why should I hate them? Have these ignorant scumbags ever read about the war on the OstFront? Germans fought with cotton clothes in -25 F weather. And no, the Wehrmacht was not equal to the Waffen SS. The German Army high command had many dissidents but they were mostly cowardly. If they’d arranged the assassination plot in 1942, a lot of lives could have been saved. By being cowardly, they lost their country and incurred the wrath of the world.

    • German soldiers were required to swear loyalty to Hitler personally, he used the overwhelming and perhaps to us incomprehensible sense of loyalty to bind the whermacht to him. He used the profesionalism and strong moral code of the military elite against it. Personal loyalty to the squad Kameradeschaft (sp?) profesionalism and patriotism are exploited by all militaries, just as all militaries commit atrocities in the name of the state. There were several assasination attempts against Hitler and the Nazi party were particularly ruthless in reprisal.

      • Yes, and American senior officers were “required” to agree that invading Iraq (first and second times) was “the right thing” — even though many of them knew it was idiotic (to put it mildly)! They COULD have metaphorically fallen on their swords by standing up like honorable men and speaking out — disagreeing with their civilian masters — but to what end? They would STILL have lost their careers (and perhaps pensions; should their first loyalty be to their subordinates or their families?), and the young men (and women) of this country would STILL have been marched into death, brain injury, and dismemberment for no real purpose!! (As they will when we enter Iran — god help the American young!)

  21. The not remorseful Moore continues linking to David Duke’s radio show in his so called apology? Why is no one talking about that?

    Not only does he continue to provide a link to his own appearance on the show, he also links to both Davis and McGuff, driving even more web traffic than before to David Duke!

    And you all think he’s remorseful?

  22. I had heard of David Duke many years ago, but I did not immediately connect “David Duke” with the “David Duke” of KKK (in)fame when my wife mentioned the brouhaha over the JM podcast.

    David is a very common first name.

    Duke is a relatively common last name.

    If you want to trash JM, try something like discussing any errors you might find in his writings on nutrition. I personally disagree with JM on a number of topics, including a few having to do with nutrition, but I have not interest in attacking him. Back long ago, when I became an adult, I learned that disagreement with an idea should never be framed as a personal ad hominem attack, a lesson which appears to be missing from the experience of the JM haters.

    Since I have personally met him on several occasions, I can say that it is not credible to call him a Neo-Nazi.

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