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Let Me Make It Easy For You: Here’s Your Hate on a Silver Platter

Dishing Out Love & Hate Since 2003

In the politically correct and feminist world, "hate filled," or "hate site"—or whichever way in which the pejorative is used (e.g., to describe this blog)—is a rhetorical devise employed as weasel words, well poisoning, hand waving—basically all amounting to one thing: "substitute my judgment for your own." Don't make up your own mind because if you insist, you risk being cajoled, shunned, shamed, exiled, ostracized—or smeared, if you possess more social power: influence over other minds. Such charges are typically accompanied by cherry-picked word or sound bites to "substantiate" such claims so you don't bother to take in the full context and honestly engage your own mind in a process known as honest logical integration: discrimination, wide-scope accounting, balancing, differentiation, distinction.

Shorter version: It's one of the many ways in which the general banality of PC/feminism seeks the lazy, dishonest route to acceptance, crowd pleasing, domination and influence. Even shorter: listen to them. They know. They've "studied" this stuff. There's "advanced feminism," now, but I'll get to that later.

Let me make it simple for you: I. Don't. Care. I told you already, I only deal in love or hate, never indifference. I also told you that I collect smart people. Wanna see how much I don't care about anything else related to blogging? Go take a look at the right sidebar—PaleoDrama; Read the Worst, First—click on it and just see where it takes you. Then tell me how much I care about what McEwen thinks or hand picks for PaleoDrama. And oh, by the way, wanna see what ideas you're really getting by proxy? Meet Melissa McEwAn.

Melissa McEwen's New Conscience and BFF: Feminist Writer Melissa McEwan

[Update: That was the caption below the pic snagged off Google that originally resided here. She's the founder of Shakesville. It's a culture blog heavily weighted in feminist concerns (football bat to me, largely), but see below for more on that. After the initial kerfuffle on Twitter in which I blocked her because I know myself and didn't want to spend a day in a Tweet war—I eventually got a true sense of why she objected to me using it (as I wrote, she could have just asked nicely). Thing is, once I know something I didn't know before, that's what I have to deal with. I have zero doubt that McEwan has dogs, cats, nephews, nieces, friends, family—and blog readers, to draw a distinction—who think she's one or all of her 3 cats' meows—a given, and something that might be a good idea to consider whenever you decide to go after anyone.

What got to me was 2 things: 1) she loves the silly shirt (everyone gets to go to hell in their own go-cart) and, 2) she was at a friend's house having fun with people she loves.

The French have a word that doesn't translate to meanie very elegantly: méchant. Basically, it's being a meanie for the sake of being a meanie (though can be used both ways). While I love being a meanie on an acute level, I can't bring myself to do it chronically, for its own sake. /Update]

The whole thing finally became clear to me the other night when I read McEwen's hastily drafted response to my posting of my email to Mark Frauenfelder of Boing Boing. I laughed out loud: “Heheh, don’t worry. I’m no delicate flower.” What a mess of entitlement and blame for her own problems. Quotes in bullet form.

  • he used misogynistic language to dismiss my arguments
  • as long as they are “cool” then men will refrain from bullying them
  • it hurt me
  • it was hard on me
  • that kind of language is so detrimental
  • this abuse silences and excludes people
  • acting cool in the fact of abuse
  • My health on paleo had been frail
  • I didn’t stand up to myself at first
  • I was barely holding myself together
  • Paleo was abusive both physically and psychologically
  • It makes me so sad
  • they are suffering too
  • no longer feeling the need for approval
  • allows me to get through things
  • threatening to rape and murder me
  • I’m not a victim
  • I’ve been through worse
  • I refuse to engage in Oppression Olympics
  • that doesn’t mean it is harmless

My goodness. And add to that how she's taken to going around in various comment threads and on PaleoDrama using phrases like "that's disappointing" or "that's troubling" in referring to some action or words of others, or, "I'd prefer if you..." "Denounce him; then we'll talk." and so on. At that point, I realized that her very first tagline for her project—that she quickly changed when I mocked it—is still all what it's about and only what it's about.

"Dispatches from the paleo cesspool. Why? Too much silence for too long, it's catharsis, and for every post I put up, I'm more and more motivated to do something else besides sit in the cesspool."

One might hope she puts up a lot of posts then, so she might feel better and get out of the "cesspool" already, because after all, she's been "silenced" for too long. Yes, she has resorted to using virtually every weasel word and phrase in the feminist handbook: "silenced, repressed, hated, excluded, discriminated, othered..." and the list goes on. All words basically designed to create the illusion that she's at the point of some archetypical man's gun, when she's not. If she was silent, that was her choice. It's. That. Simple. ...Done.

Anyway, the whole thing is simple. You like Melissa and Melissa? Fine. Good luck with that. You like Sisson and not me? Fine. No probs; I like him better than me, too. Paul Jaminet's your man and I suck? I'd probably agree with you. Wolf? If he didn't exist we'd have to invent him anyway.

Everybody gets to do what they want. Come in the revolving door here, stay a while or a long time, or go right back out. I'll have plenty to keep me occupied. Wanna pressure my friends publicly to not be my friends in public? Knock yourselves out. Everyone has a right to not be associated with me professionally and I fully understand that goes with the territory for my style of blogging—and have never even implied public recognition to be a condition of friendship—go ask any one of them yourselves.

At this point I'm simply overwhelmed by the banality of it all. Go ahead, get your "advanced feminism" over at the other Melissa's place, Shakesville. You can even drop a comment. A brief except from a very long comment policy.

Comments are open to anyone as long as they don't troll and/or traffic in racist, sexist, homophobic, trans*phobic, ableist, ageist, sizeist, or otherwise overtly objectionable commentary based on people's intrinsic characteristics. Hate speech, slurs, rape apologia, rape jokes and metaphors, violent imagery and rhetoric, threats, trolling, concern trolling, derailing, playing the Oppression Olympics, pointless belligerence, sockpuppeting, silencing tactics, accusations of bad faith, disrespecting the mods, including ignoring them, telling contributors what they should be writing about or how they should be writing about it, and/or invoking the [TW] blogmistress' personal experience to use against her, or doing the same to any of the contributors, mods, or other commenters...

Or, go prepare your tax return...it's a lot easier to figure out. ...I was curious to look up "Oppression Olympics," as the other other Melissa used it as well.

Competing in the Oppression Olympics attaches something like a moral dimension to oppression, in which the most oppressed are worthier.

People who participate in Oppression Olympics tend to ignore the fact that it's possible for multiple groups to be oppressed, and necessary to address all those problems, without choosing a single group to get all the anti-oppression activism. Oppression Olympics also tends to ignore Intersectionality, except where the existence of multiple degrees of oppression can help an individual participant "win".

Beginning a round of Oppression Olympics is generally seen as Derailment or even as a Silencing tactic, as it attempts to prevent or deflect discussion of one kind of oppression by denying its legitimacy or existence, downplaying its importance, or simply switching the focus to another.

Or you could simply say: "hey, quit hogging all the oppression!" Or, "now stop oppressing me with all of your claims to superior oppression.

No, I'm not even making any of this shit up. A couple of days ago I was toying at the idea of "striking the root;" that is, including critiques of modern feminism from time to time in my Politics & Culture category. Problem is, upon closer examination, I can't even muster the enthusiasm to let loose a c-word, even an f-bomb. I mean, it all strikes me as so marginalized and self-caricatured ridiculous that it'll either self-destruct of its own inner whatever, or remain so radically marginalized that nobody's gonna care anyway. Yawnsville. Or, in short, it's so anti-human it will eventually go extinct.

So, yea, sorry for the diversion over the last couple of weeks kicked off by the Howitzering of Robb Wolf. Melissa isn't important enough to continue with The Documentary and Evelyn has her own problems to contend with in the form of CarbSaneR Carole Sampson. And, she's documenting Evelyn's smears of others post by post anyway. Moreover, even a stalwart commenter of Evelyn's has apparently had enough.

Her last posting on Robb Wolf - again! - did it for me. She has now officially jumped the shark! Let's see if she posts my comment to that effect.

She's now giving me an aneurysm. I told her she needs a life.

If she posts anything else about Jimmy Moore/Robb Wolf/Richard Nikoley I'll probably puke!

Yea, what is there, like a dozen posts by now because Robb told her to go eff herself in a Tweet? Speaking of Robb, I'll close with this: "If somebody doesn't want to buy in? Fuck 'em. Done." A minute 40.

Alright, and now I'll get to some more productive things like a Milk Diet Update (Week 5), a post on a new study involving gut flora and emotions in humans, and probably tomorrow, a detailed review on the 1972 book I mentioned yesterday.

Update: Funsville. That was quick (a big panty bunch from Shakesville) And no, I've no intention of even looking at those comments. I'd rather stick needles in my eyes (stole that one from Jack Nicholson).

Comments

  1. Hah

    I thought the Melissa McEwan thing was a joke. This is hilarious! Oh the picture. Woe is me for my ableist, sizist beliefs.

  2. Hey Richard

    I just burst out laughing at that video of Robb. Truly made my day better. Thanks for the find.

    Re the “pull” and “pressure” various bloggers are facing : for what it’s worth, nothing on earth could force me to take your T21C speeches down. Nothing.

    And I’m betting I’m not alone in this position (even if my biz relationship with you is unique).

    Keep on.

    - Anthony

  3. Hey Anthony. Yep, but my position is that everyone’s gotta do what they gotta do for their particular gig. And if I thought any friend of mine was really being harmed in their own gig owing to any public mention or support of me, then AS A FRIEND, I’d admonish them to keep a public distance myself.

  4. Jessica says:

    Forget the drama, and continue to pay attention to us women who actually do “get it”. Like Robb said, you’re wasting precious time arguing to a brick wall when you can be doing more productive (or generally fun, hypocrite-and-idiot-free) things with your time.

    I love that you are unapologetically You; that no one dictates how you present yourself to the World. I enjoy your political views especially – and admit that I share them – and I appreciate all of the MEANINGFUL work you do to EMPOWER the rest of us with knowledge to care for body. When certain folks stop being Blog Critics (with no authority on the matter) and start thinking rationally…maybe I’ll have a little more respect for them, too. Oh, the banality of modern/neo-feminism.

  5. Somewhat related to this post are:

    Why We Shouldn’t Accept “Fat Acceptance”
    http://www.the1585.com/fatacceptance.htm

    Why ‘Feminism’ is poisoning Atheism pt.1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKQdJR7F_I

    Also those reading this blog because they have time to kill should click on my name or er… my two letters, for a much needed does of the funnies. Adam vs Eve, Seuss vs Shakespeare & Sinatra vs Mercury, Ghengis Kahn vs Easter Bunny are funny too

  6. Sparkythewondergirl says:

    Uh, you know that’s Melissa McEWAN, from the blog Shakesville, and not Melissa McEwen, the paleo blogger, right?

  7. JustDoTheResearch says:

    You do realize that you wrote an entire diatribe about two DIFFERENT women and somehow conflate them as being the same person, right? Not very good research skills I’d say. Completely deflates your point.

  8. “Uh, you know that’s Melissa McEWAN, from the blog Shakesville, and not Melissa McEwen, the paleo blogger, right?”

    Uh, quite, especially since McEwEn is a _former_ friend of mine. I have typoed it before though, even back when she was a friend. I know; inconceivable (and yes, I’ve taken note of the hullabaloo over it all over at Funsville).

    http://freetheanimal.com/2013/03/bigger-letter-frauenfelder.html

    Tell you what, since this is about the 4th time my time has been wasted on this…. How about YOU tell me where you think it’s ambiguous or typo’d, and I’ll sure take a lookiesee. Awrightee?

  9. “You do realize that you wrote an entire diatribe about two DIFFERENT women and somehow conflate them as being the same person, right?”

    Well, I do think I’m getting a sense of the reading skills over at Funsville.

  10. alexandra says:

    Love Robb! great clip. Robb always remembers what this is about. For me, what it’s about is 130 lbs GONE, it’s about having my life back, it’s about being able to run and jump and play, it’s about feeling great, it’s about spending time doing the things I could not do before, it is about not spending 16 hours of my day reading hate filled crap on the internet. I am too busy being happy to waste time on people who don’t value their own time enough to stop wasting their life creating fake little wars on the internet. There are millions upon millions of sick people out there that could benefit from low carb and paleo and these petty spewing fame whores make it look so ugly that I imagine many folks will turn away and maybe not find the information they need to reclaim their lives.

  11. So, let me get this straight. You illustrated a post about one woman and what she wrote with a photo of an entirely different woman?

    And then you invite your readers to comment on Shakesville, which associated with the woman in the photo, but NOT the woman about whom you began the post?

    Why would you do that, exactly?

    What connection are you claiming exists between these two distinct writers?

  12. “You illustrated a post about one woman and what she wrote with a photo of an entirely different woman?”

    Here, perhaps this excerpt from the post might help.

    “And oh, by the way, wanna see what ideas you’re really getting by proxy? Meet Melissa McEwAn.”

    Then, caption below the photo:

    “Melissa McEwen’s New Conscience and BFF: Feminist Writer Melissa McEwan”

    Now, I don’t really know whether they’re BFF or even friends for that matter. In some circles, that’s called “hyperbole.” What I do know is that McEwAn references have been turing up in McEwEn writings for quite a while and from my perspective, more frequently.

    Now that McEwEn has gone Full, uh, Feminist, I actually can’t recall her quoting anyone else other than McEwAn.

    There, does that clear it up for you? Happy to help when I can, y’know.

  13. So, you have no idea if Ms. McEwen and Ms. McEwan are friends or even acquaintances. You just feel that since Ms. McEwen chooses to use Shakesville as references when she is writing, that she is now no more than a shill for Ms. McEwan?

    This is certainly hyperbolic and rather misleading. I believe it even meets the standards of being intellectually dishonest.

    And what does Ms. McEwan’s photo have to do with anything, exactly? Do you make it a habit of posting people’s photos with whom you disagree, even though your disagreement has nothing to do with the photo in question?

  14. Oh, and I just scanned Ms. McEwen’s blog. I see FAR more references to other blogs and only one to Ms. McEwan’s (which, btw, actually contains many other people’s posts as well as her own).

    Why were those other blogger’s photos not posted and their websites not ridiculed?

  15. “So, you have no idea if Ms. McEwen and Ms. McEwan are friends or even acquaintances.”

    No. Or mortal enemies.

    “You just feel that since Ms. McEwen chooses to use Shakesville as references when she is writing, that she is now no more than a shill for Ms. McEwan?”

    No, not exactly. Frankly, I have no real beef with McEwan beyond my amusement at the goofy football bat like stuff she writes from my sense of individualist principles—though from what I’ve read she’s certainly a very skilled writer and wordsmith, and I have little doubt that if I read enough of her stuff I’d find an insight ot two I might agree with.

    …And oh, I must admit, though I just skimmed it, a lot of pretty damn funny-clever in that Shaxicon you’ve got.

    Anyway, you know that guy or gal in high school who reads Rand, Chomsky, Marx or whomever ans then they won’t shut up about it? Everything henceforth is filtered through that new paradigmatic lens? That’s kinda what I’m getting at. So, substitute McEwan’s photo for one of Ayn Rand, Noam Chomsky, Karl Marx or whomever and you have an idea where I’m going with that.

    Oh, and welcome to the Internet.

  16. “My health on paleo had been frail”

    Really? I’ve heard a few people say this, and come to find out they were starving themselves to stay “Paleo” and once they dumped the diet, they ate all they wanted. Any time I hear someone say this I think two trains of thought:

    1) Assuming that it is the restrictions of Paleo that caused the frailty, what foods got added back in that made them feel better? Grains? Beans? What? I’d be really curious what left them frail from meat, veggies, some fruit and nuts. Maybe they mistook low carb for Paleo?

    2) It made you frail? Look how frail it made John Welbourn. Go ahead google it, I’ll wait. Yeah, so Johnny there is eating strict paleo (as are his twins, and they’re robust as hell) and he ain’t exactly withering away. What magical food did you add in question 1 above that would pack another 50 pounds of lean mass on Mr. Welbourn? He’d probably love to know.

    Just because you tried Paleo and it didn’t work, doesn’t mean Paleo doesn’t work. I tried to walk a tightrope once and fell off. Tightropes are walkable. I just sucked at it. Get the analogy?

    I’ve heard people in our CrossFit say they can’t keep the weight on while eating Paleo. They “have to have bread for energy.” That’s a fail right there. 3 slices of bread or one medium sweet potato. Maybe the problem is you don’t like to cook.

  17. “I see FAR more references to other blogs and only one to Ms. McEwan’s”

    Well, since the blog is “PaleoDrama” and not “FeminismDrama” or “ShakesDrama,” and since so far as I know, McEwan (correct me if I’m wrong) is not anything like a Paleo blogger, I find your factual statement hardly surprising.

    But when she has referenced things feminist and related, the references have generally or exclusively been McEwan.

    I’ll make you all a deal, though, as I’m being charitable today. I didn’t mention McEwan’s physical appearance in the post because 1) it’s not relevant (I know people think they know why I did it) and 2) because I certainly wish her well physically. See my “Success Story” category on that score. I think one other commenter made a derogatory comment about the physical appearance. I’m going to redact that part and redact anything else along those lines as well.

    I’m sure you won’t consider that fair or enough, but it’s what I’ve got today.

  18. Re: “honest logical integration: discrimination, wide-scope accounting, balancing, differentiation, distinction”

    Respectfully,
    1. Why mix up two different people with the same name, but not acknowledge your previous error?
    2. Why now combine their ideas, as though you cannot differentiate between them?
    3. Where is the logic in writing: “wanna see what ideas you’re really getting,” followed by only a photo of a person? (Don’t you differentiate ideas and appearance?)

    Seems the opposite of honest, logical, balanced, differentiated, etc.

    Thanks.

  19. 3F

    I think I’ve addressed this enough. Thanks for stopping by.

  20. @Bill Strahan

    I swear I have a parody post brewing: “Food Didn’t Work For Me” Of Course, it’ll feature the story of a former food blogger who wrote a post “Farewell Food,” a guy who does 70 videos called “Non-Food Positive,” anecdotes from all kinds of people who were “barely keeping themselves together on food,”…. you get the idea.

  21. Bill Strahan, I was just typing up a comment on similar lines. Really, paleo made you frail? How exactly do you reach that conclusion? You added some sugar and grain into your diet and bam! recovered from paleo-victimhood? Had an omega-6 deficiency maybe?

    And I love your statement “Maybe the problem is you don’t like to cook.” This is a huge one. Too lazy to nuke and peel a sweet potato, people would much rather open a package. The thought of saying this to a feminist makes me chuckle.

  22. As a female, I find it truly scary how many women seem to have had irony and SOH bypasses these days. Everything is taken so fucking literally.

    Way to go with the link to Paleo Drama link after all of Melissa’s snide remarks about not linking to her site. You have a much greater flair for the dramatic than she does, Richard :-)

    It’s gonna be real interesting to watch all these so called leaders line up to sign up for her PC Paleo Brigade:
    “The good news is that positive changes are afoot, that some leaders recognize that there is an issue.”

    Whoever does sign up may as well just fall on their sword right now.

  23. Indy:

    I didn’t even consider touching that “changes afoot” comment. There are good reasons for not.

  24. Bill Strahan and Johnw: The remark about paleo causing frail health was a bullet-point quote of Melissa McEwen, not Richard. He certainly doesn’t need your advice! Take it over to her – she definitely does NOT want Richard’s advice….:-)

  25. Carole AKA CarbSaneR says:

    If you search for ‘Carbsane’ on Google images you now get a photo of a hyena’s butthole and Zohan saying ‘WTF Eelyn!’.

  26. Carole AKA CarbSaneR says:

    typo WTF Evelyn!

  27. William says:

    These lowlifes are a waste of time! Their language hasn’t changed since they creeped onto the scene forty or so years ago. In a way, it is a bit funny that they continue with their PC rants as though it were cutting edge, when it is the same old hate filled shit that anyone who has spent time on a college campus has heard. I used to get uptight, and pissed off, and eventually evolved to laughing at them, but today, they are about as relevant as a first grade book about a boy, and girl named Dick, and Jane, and a dog named Spot. Oppression Olympics? Pfffttt!

    “You like Sisson and not me? Fine. No probs; I like him better than me, too.” I love your sense of humor, Richard! This one is a gem.

  28. You are such a tease, Richard :-)

    mm – you give great links. Those Rap Battles of History are absolute classics. Still trying to work out what my fave is. Bruce Lee vs Clint Eastwood? Elvis vs Michael Jackson? And Snoop Dog as Moses was a pleasant surprise!

  29. If you do a Google Image search for ‘Carole Sampson’, the third image that appears is a shrill, deluded, obsessive, bunny boiling internet stalker :-D

    Get a life, you utterly sad woman.

  30. Nonsense, Nigel. She’s just giving Carbsane what she so richly deserves, what she has been doing to many others for like 3 years. And she’s far better at it too.

    Nobody has anything to complain about. I’m quite certain that Carole would much prefer doing other stuff. This isn’t an initiation of smearing, this is a response to smearing.

  31. FJP

    Misunderstanding. Bill was talking about her. Quite certain of it.

  32. I disagree. The only thing that Carole does is tear Carbsane down. There’s zero useful content in Carole’s blog.

    I don’t agree with everything that Evelyn writes, but there is useful content in her blog.
    As there is in yours.

  33. I’m sure of a few things, Nigel.

    1. Carole has no interest in doing anything but smearing Evelyn, a bit on Melissa here & there given they are obviously coordinating partners in crime.

    2. Carole didn’t go into this expecting everyone would love it. She figured some would hate it, in fact.

    3. It has zero to do with any so-called useful content.

    4. it has everything to do with the fact that even so-called useful content is virtually always buried in smears of other people from Taubes to Lustic, Moore to Wolf to Jaminet to Sisson and others.

    5. What I’m most certain of is that she doesn’t care one bit what you think of it.

    6. That she will keep on keeping on and that soon after Evenyln stops, Carole will easily find better things to do.

  34. Evelyn is reaping what she has sowed. It’s perfectly just.

  35. As Emily Deans said, “No one wins.”
    I think that this “war” is bad for the Paleo movement.

  36. OK, for all you Shakesville folks, at least the ones checking comments or subscribed to them….

    Now that the dust seems to have settled, a few points for you. Feel free to convey them to The Blog Mistress.

    1. Your Melissa simply didn’t read the post carefully. It was, after all, drafted with MY readers in mind, people who have zero problem differentiating Melissas because they are very familiar with McEwen. They are well aware of what she looks like, too. Many, as I, have met her in person. Some, like I, may have even given her a lift in the car, once.

    2. Typically in this sort of thing, rather than email, tweet me, or drop a comment with a _sincere_ question—such as some of you asked—she just pops off. “Hey bozo, I’m not @melissamcewen.” Uh, duh. Or, she could have read the post carefully and said something like “I think this phrase is ambiguous as to clearly telling which one of us you’re talking about.” She could have suggested a change in wording. As it is, I added TWO WORDS to the post after originally publishing it: “by proxy,” in the paragraph immediately preceding the photo such that there could absolutely be no doubt; even though, as I say, my readers had zero confusion in the matter.

    3. Instead, out comes the typical attack dog style (Is that misogynist? I don’t know. If so, it’s unintentional, being unfamiliar as I am with the myriad ways in which a guy can reveal his deep inner hatred of the female gender—why I’m partial to a simple c-bomb, so there’s no ambiguity.). “You don’t have permission to use that photo. Here, you can use this one.” (Tweets me a photo of her birdie, something a lot of you seem quite fond of doing, judging by a Google image search for Melissa McEwan. Isn’t it time to move onto another schtick?).

    4. Then, of course, screen clip, screen clip, type type type, and sends me about 2,000 visits so far. Ok, that part’s cool. So predictable.

    5. Declaration of victory, I guess because I added “by proxy” for YOUR sakes—since reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be anyone’s strong point over there. Not, “hey, I think we jumped the gun on this. Nikoley OBVIOUSLY new who McEwen and McEwan were, especially since the former was a friend of his (see: http://freetheanimal.com/2013/03/bigger-letter-frauenfelder.html )

    So, this all could have been avoided simply by:

    1. Not knowing me, who I am, what my motivations were, asking a simple question for clarification. Making a constructive suggestion. Thanking me for the link (thanks for the link, BTW).

    2. As to the image, simply “asking nicely,” like your mommies taught you”—y’know….”say please”—would have made it very difficult for me to not take it down in place of just a description and link to Shakesville. It wasn’t a big deal—until she decided to make it one.

    That’s really the meta-lesson here. Nobody asks nicely, anymore, and it goes up and down the political/cultural spectrum. It’s never “can you help these people, please?” Nope, we always need legislation to FORCE people—or just threats and demands.

    As an anarchist for 20 years, that option is not available to me principally. Accordingly, whenever I want something, I always, always ask nicely. But, oh well, got this blog lots of exposure from The Dark Side. There’s that.

    Just one more thing, on the being nice first thing: Anarchy Begins at Home.

    http://freetheanimal.com/2012/10/anarchy-begins-at-home-the-blog-series-part-1.html

    Here’s the abbreviated video version of that 9-Part series, a 20-minute presentation I gave at Harvard Food & Law Society, Ancestral Health Symposium at Harvard Law School last August: Paleo Epistemology and Sociology

    https://vimeo.com/54314333

    And by the way? I think women are just awesome, and I lament the fact that human civilization squandered half the available brain power over the last 10,000 years, by force.

  37. “As Emily Deans said, “No one wins.””

    Perhaps she’s attributing a motive that doesn’t exist. Want to know what my motive is? It’s in the post. Writing about what I love & hate and collecting smart people. It’s that simple. Having smart people read and comment on what I write is the only win I’m seeking.

  38. O.K. Want to know what my motive is?
    Disseminating knowledge.

  39. Nigel

    You say tomato, I say tomahto.

  40. Jessica says:

    “And by the way? I think women are just awesome, and I lament the fact that human civilization squandered half the available brain power over the last 10,000 years, by force.”

    Now, I might be mistaken – and correct me, if I am – but there is nothing in your blog, or the tone with which you write to suggest that your sarcastic comments toward and/or about women are anything but just that: sarcasm. You’re genuine; can your detractors say the same?

  41. Richard Nikoley said…
    “You say tomato, I say tomahto.”
    I sang that in my head. :-)
    Let’s call the whole thing off.
    @Jessica: Everyone’s being sarcastic. It’s teh Internets.

  42. Jessica

    I advise bloggers to collect smart people. It’s a process and whether for art or humanity or culture or even fantasies of higher power and ethics and morals….on a practical level, it simply saves time.

    Thanks for being one of the ones who’s not inclined to see my sarchasm as anything more than what that guy at The Improv on a late Saturday evening attempts.

  43. Note: I’ve taken down Melissa McEwan’s photo from the post. Read the update in its place to see why.

  44. Jessica says:

    Nigel, I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I know just about everyone uses sarcasm on the Internet; my point is that, while he may offend some people with his style of writing, Richard is, at least, always being himself. I can relate to him better than other Primal/Paleo blogs, because there’s no bullshit; he doesnt try to convince anyone that he is something hes not. I like that.

  45. “If you do a Google Image search for ‘Carole Sampson’, the third image that appears is a shrill, deluded, obsessive, bunny boiling internet stalker, Get a life, you utterly sad woman.”

    Chill out Nigel. I believe Carole’s blog will go way beyond exposing the stupidity and hypocrisy of the Carbsane blog. Evelyn is getting what she deserves, but in the big scheme of things, Evie is a minnow in a tiny pond. Check out Carole’s blog in a few months time, in the meantime, don’t begrudge a gal some fun.

  46. Why am I not surprised to find Nigel Kinbrum kissing Evelyn Kocur’s ass?

    Run along back to Mommy, Nigel!

  47. Magnolia says:

    wait..you want someone to ask you -nicely- to do things to the blog post you wrote about that was shitting on them and their beliefs? and then you -lecture- people about asking nicely and a lack of manners?

    Holy oblivious arrogance Batman!

  48. Magnolia

    let me ‘splain it to you nicely. I didn’t want a single thing but to be left alone by you and yours.

    Can you, for just a minute entertain that…stick it in your mind and just pretend it’s a guiding principle or premise? M’kay? See, I’m completely unaccustomed to dealing with victims, the various oppressed, those who wear entitlement at the expense of others on their sleeves. Keep pretending.

    I wrote a blog post, and as I have done hundreds of times in some of 3,500 posts going back to 2003 I went to Google and clipped a pic. I’m accustomed to dealing with adults who, like myself, say, “ah, hell, that pic of me is out there. Fuck me.”

    But I’ve never even asked nicely, much less demanded someone take one down.

    You see, Magnolia, I only ever judge others by the standards and practices I hold myself to. on the other hand, I understand that there are some weaker than I, which is why I’d have probably taking it down immediately yesterday if asked nicely. Instead, I had to come to my own conclusion, which is that, essentially, given the two reasons I cited, it’s a special image to her. Accordingly, it would have been to mean to leave it up.

    School’s out.

  49. Zealots of the variety that is combative, jargon-spewing and orthopolitical, seem to have one thing in common, they have really, really bad reading comprehension.
    Like some of the commenters above who blithely ‘missed’ your distinction between Melissas – or just chose to misinterpret you so as to conveniently ignore the association you were making as well.
    As an example of the reading comprehension problem among the ‘zealously politically correct’, see this rank nonsense that’s erupted last couple of days about Sam Harris : http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/dear-fellow-liberal2

  50. Bob said…
    “Why am I not surprised to find Nigel Kinbrum kissing Evelyn Kocur’s ass?
    Run along back to Mommy, Nigel!”
    Oh, look! Another fucktard. What part of “I don’t agree with everything that Evelyn writes…” did you not understand, dipshit?

  51. Eddie Mitchell said…
    “I believe Carole’s blog will go way beyond exposing the stupidity and hypocrisy of the Carbsane blog.”
    Oh, really? I found Carole’s blog boring – every post was the same old shit. I’m not going to read it any more. She’s totally lacking in irony awareness.

    I enjoy reading Evelyn’s science posts, as science is what I’m interested in. I would prefer that she leave the drama posts to Melissa.

  52. SidonieDeLa says:

    marie, why’s a smart lady like you still commenting on this misogynistic, racist, exclusionary blog? Didn’t you see Woo’s post publicly denouncing Richard? (she can follow directions, that one, all the while separating herself from the two raving lunatics too). Why, there ain’t supposed to be a single decent female commenter left here, didn’t you get the memo?
    I rarely comment, mostly just read and learn, but I do believe my contrarian id just surfaced. Oh, wait, ah must mean mah southern, knee-jerk reactionary, vile inner nature.
    Btw, though being from Louisiana, ah always feel a kinship to you and the other internationals here, after all, mah grand-mère Perret hailed from France – and the French, they have the fine humor, no?

  53. Wow, Marie, after reading that Harris fiasco I just feel like going to bed and sleeping it off, and it’s only 7:30.

  54. Nigel, while I don’t share eddie’s view, you’re just being silly. Carole’s “blog” is specifically and exclusively a project to ridicule Evelyn.

    It does not claim or represent to be anything more. At least judge something in terms of what it actually purports to be and not the strawman you pretend it to be.

  55. Bienvenue Sidonie.

  56. SidonieDeLa says:

    Merci bien, Richard.

  57. Sidonie, your ‘grand-mere Perret’? Tsk, tsk have you been taking obscure reference lessons from LeonRover? Lovely! :)
    So. . . we have in our midst the fan of a 19th century American french-writing author, schoolmarm and anti-racist ‘proto-feminist’ – mais oui, the humor is truly fine!
    Thank you ma chere, it’s a shot in the arm.
    .
    And don’t you love the term proto-feminist? That would be back when more and more women were working to gain Self-determination, unlike now when a few jargon-drenched dictators are trying to determine the lives of Others.
    I agree with Richard and commented to this effect earlier, that the strident so-called feminists of today don’t speak for me or for most women who are actually living empowered lives, while the more they screech, the more they isolate themselves in the corners of just a few ivory ghettoes.
    .
    As for Woo. . . merde, I still really like her! Yes, I saw that exasperated post of hers, but I think she’ll realize at some point that what Richard posts and what commenters post can be two diametrically opposed things.
    Look, he let that rabid racist “Mary” some months ago have enough rope to hang herself, while telling her exactly what he was doing and repeatedly saying that he wholly disagreed and wouldn’t pay attention to any of her attempted arguments. The other commenters just stopped rising to her baiting after a while and she went away.
    That’s how it’s supposed to work, imo, if he’s to stick to principle and allow all views/comments. They can’t just be the views that he or the majority ‘like’.
    .
    On the other hand, I too reacted badly to the rape post, like Woo did – but not because there was anything outrageously wrong with Richard saying that parents have gone MIA. Rather, it was because some of the commenters that came-in on that one (and what rocks did they crawl out from under?) were so disgustingly slimy that I felt dirty just looking – so I stopped looking.
    .
    That right there is the whole point, isn’t it? No one has to participate in what they don’t like. If it’s worth an argument, great, but when it’s too far gone for any arguing, anyone can just walk away – because it’s a blog, for crying out loud.
    It’s not the proceedings of the supreme court, recorded for posterity and part of the case history – so that we must ‘fight it’ or it will affect everyone and for generations to come!
    Are there really no true monsters left to vanquish in the States?! To paraphrase the poet, must we really invent some “barbarians”? Because o.k., true, “Those people were some kind of solution.” …for the vapid and the useless.

  58. I’m LOLing at Nigel characterizing anything Evelyn Kocur writes as “science”.

    And for that humor-impaired old prat to pronounce Carole Simpson unfunny is the best joke Nigel ever made.

    And for Nigel to call someone other than himself boring is, well…as predictable as Nigel is.

  59. Andrew says:

    The more I learn about Robb Wolf, the more I admire him.

  60. Bob wouldn’t know science if it walked up to him and fucked him in the ass without lube!

    As for anything else, pond scum
    has a higher intellect.

    @Richard: I know what Carole is trying to do. I just find her hysterical posts boring & repetitive.

  61. “I know what Carole is trying to do. I just find her hysterical posts boring & repetitive.”

    Nigel you must be bored rigid with Evelyn’s rant after rant after rant against Jimmy Moore, Robb Wolf et al.

  62. Eddie Mitchell said…
    “Nigel you must be bored rigid with Evelyn’s rant after rant after rant against Jimmy Moore, Robb Wolf et al.”
    I don’t pay those posts much attention. I read ‘em and move on. Critiquing people is fine. Sometimes Evelyn overdoes it with the sarcasm. Tch, nerds!

    The internet is full of stuff. Some of it is hilariously funny, some of it is mundane and some of it is offensive. Why do people get so upset over words on a computer screen? If what you see offends you, move the fuck on!

    @Richard: I’m a little bemused. You have stated on this blog that you hate people who just tear down others and provide no other value. That’s exactly what Carole does. Have you done a U-turn?

  63. Oh là là là là là là! Hi Marie. How’s life treating you?

  64. @nigel

    It continually baffles me how people can’t draw distinctions on this point. Carole is attacking an attacker. If someone goes around shooting people and that’s all they do, even whilst giving a “science lesson,” that’s very bad. If someone else decides to methodically take down that shooter, that’s very good.

    @marie

    I was going to comment on your comment about the Wooo deal but since she has weighted in, I’ll just address that. First off all the “it’s you bitches’ fault” was a tongue in cheek comment directed not at Gabriella but in general and was plural, but I can’t recall the exact context, only that it was about the rape thing. The reason I deleted my posts there and her posts here and haven’t been back a single time to her blog is that as much as I tried to express some measure of friendship to Wooo and indicated that I liked her (and still do, by the way), she just kept shitting on me. But what’s worse is that she refused to take my like of her at face value, saying repeatedly that I was only doing it for my image, like Im a fake, like I’m going to pretend to like someone I really don’t.

    Well, since everything is now deleted and I no longer mention her, nor will I, I guess my image is going to have to be the worse for it.

  65. ….Also, I never ever said “I made Wooo” or anything remotely like it. Melodramatic, pretentious claptrap about as far from my style as its possible to be. What I did say a few times is that after initially thinking she was batshit crazy I warmed up to her, like her and was happy to send some traffic her way. I contend that’s accurate.

  66. @marie

    Oh, yea, there was one other thing I wanted to address. That guy in the comments on the “rape thread,” RealGmer or something. Yep, I winced at some of those but, I thought he was just being overly hyperbolic, clearly in the eyes of readers there is wide disagreement on this topic (beyond the surprising number of “likes” on the post relative to what I usually get, many of the comments, also emails from people who don’t want to weigh in because its a hot potato and everyone has to think alike about “rape”) and also because another commenter took him to task, so those comments weren’t just hanging unchallenged.

    Then he posted that physical threat to Melissa & Evelyn and because moderation here is ONLY enabled for first time commenters (ie, no other approved comments for that email in the database) the comment went right through. Not sure how long it took me to see it but couldn’t have been more than a couple of ours unless posted in the middle of the night. The second I saw it I deleted it, banned him, and deleted all his comments on the rape thread as well.

    I have twice communicated to Melissa that’s exactly how it went down and she still goes around lying that I explicitly published rape and death threats against her. ….I suppose I ought just chalk that up to a sign of her desperation in all of this.

  67. If Evelyn was physically hurting someone, then Carole would be justified in physically hurting Evelyn. In such a case, your enemy’s enemy is your friend.

    However, Evelyn is not physically hurting anyone. Does criticising someone in a sarcastic manner on the internet hurt them? I think not. Do you see the distinction that I’m drawing?

  68. Nigel, you’re such a sad little attention whore that being mocked and humiliated gives you a braingasm. But that’s not how normal people experience it.

    And how is Carole physically hurting Evelyn?

    And Evelyn has on multiple times exhorted her dweebs (of which you are apparently one) to help destroy the careers of those who hold dietary opinions she disagrees with. That hurts people.

    (Cue Nigel’s unfunny retort that would embarrass a third-grader.)

  69. @nigel

    OK, you take metaphor literally. Noted.

  70. Bob said…
    “And how is Carole physically hurting Evelyn?”
    She isn’t. Let me clarify, as you seem to be having difficulty understanding.
    Richard hates Evelyn for mocking Taubes, Moore et al.
    Richard likes* Carole for mocking Evelyn.
    *I think that loves would be going a bit too far.

    Whose careers are being destroyed? Nobody’s. Nobody is getting hurt, apart from you who is getting butt-hurt. You are mistaking me for someone who gives a fuck about you and/or your opinions, you anonymous internet keyboard fuck-wit.

    @Richard: You don’t “get” us nerds, do ya?

  71. @nigel

    You still have trouble grasping anything important about it. Noted.

    (I’m well into ‘peals before swine’ at this point, BTW)

  72. Are you a musician by any chance Richard, if not you should be. You can certainly play some of these chumps like a violin. No grovel intended, but jeez this blog is growing on me.

  73. Eddie:

    What was it I heard in college I think it was? “I play the radio and get static from that.”

    I love music, almost glad I don’t play because I’m less critical, for a change.

    Welcome. There’s very bad here, and very good—it’s kinda like real life. The only thing I fight against and try to avoid is indifference. Love & hate. Two sides of the same passionate coin.

  74. Metaphor: “The use of a word or phrase to refer to something that it isn’t, invoking a direct similarity between the word or phrase used and the thing described, but in the case of English without the words like or as, which would imply a simile.”
    In what way, shape or form is shooting a direct similarity to mocking? None. Your metaphor is invalid.
    O.K. I’m done.

    P.S. It’s “Pearls before swine”. You posting from a touch-screen phone?

  75. Ooh la la to you too, Nigel.
    I’m o.k.. You on the other hand, have waded into hot water, I see – just as you like it, eh? ;)
    I’m really glad to see you started posting again, I’ve been over a few times.

  76. I agree that Melissa McEwAn could have asked nicely to take down her pic instead of calling you a bozo. But that is how she and Shakesville roll.

    They have an entire manifesto dedicated to commenting policy where they ask for good faith efforts and no personal attacks etc, yet neither she nor any of her minion moderators have a problem yelling and tearing apart at people when they do or say things that they just do not like to hear.

    You can obey all the commenting guidelines, read the feminism 101, make proper content notes, and not engage in personal attacks or use misogynistic slurs, yet if you disagree with them, they will delete your comment and if you ask them why, they throw this “the queen Melissa has spoken” line at you, reciting their first commandment which is that “ye shall not argue with a moderator.” It is utterly ridiculous.

    As a liberal feminist myself who does not employ misogynistic language and who really believes that McEwan in essence is doing good work, I have been turned off by the site altogether.

    They did not block me but after having my comments deleted because McEwAn just didnt like it and after being yelled at by one of her abusive mods about how one SHALL NOT COUNTER A MODERATOR, I decided that this was not the place for me to engage in discourse after all.

    She talks a lot about abuse and wanting to prevent abuse, but she and her mods are the most abusive to people whom they do not agree with. And i am not even talking people who use slurs or make rapo apologies. As I said, you can follow all her commenting rules and she will still block you for whatever reason she likes.

    Last week or so she wrote an entry trying to tell people that she and her team are only doing this (abusing and bully the audience that is) for the sole purpose of wanting to “encourage and challenge people to think about certain issues in a way they have never done before.” (i am paraphrasing). Fair enough. Only that she doesnt. When you question that, you get blocked and she posts a picture of herself flipping you off (the same one she showed you).

    In all her talk about not abusing people, about hating bullies, about providing a safe space blah blah blah, she acts in the worst way herself. abusing her audience, bullying them, disrespecting them and then when they complain she gives them the finger and insults them some more before blocking them.

    So you did the right thing to block her. She does have a good and important message to convey but in all her assholishness and self absorbed bravado she is somehow missing how she is treating people. So unless you enjoy being yelled at and abused by mcEwan and he minion co mods, dont waste your time there. Seriously.

  77. Wooo, firstly, thank you for replying. It can’t be fun rehashing distasteful stuff.
    I don’t know what to say except that I’m really glad I stopped looking pretty quickly at that comment section (!), sounds like it went completely south.
    But to me, it seems a good thing that Richard deleted what sounds like an escalating public spat based on misunderstanding, apart from of course deleting all the trash….though apparently not before a certain hate-filled blogger pounced on it with glee. Now that is what I would call a liar, she knows the comment policy full well.
    .
    And yes, I wouldn’t call what you said in your post ‘denouncing’ – more like showing where you draw the line (of course I can’t comment on the substance, since I didn’t see the instigating stuff). As for Sean, of course you’re a bitch, and he’s a bastard, or….you’re both cuntankerous ;)
    .
    I’m just sorry you had to go through all that and actually, I’m sorry Richard did too. I can’t help wondering how Gabriela is doing, sounds like she was at ground zero. Damn.

  78. marie said…
    “Ooh la la to you too, Nigel.
    I’m o.k.. You on the other hand, have waded into hot water, I see – just as you like it, eh? ;)
    I’m really glad to see you started posting again, I’ve been over a few times.”

    O.K. I’m not quite done! Sometimes, I feel as though I’m in some kind of weird parallel universe when I “discuss” things on blogs.

    If I’m not supposed to take metaphors literally, does that mean that I’m supposed to take them metaphorically? Recursive: See Recursive.

    Anyway, I’m off out to another music gig. I’m not going to comment with my new touch-screen phone, as the virtual keyboard’s a nightmare for someone with FFS (Fat Finger Syndrome).

    Bon soir!

  79. Nigel, ‘recursive’ – hmm, an infinite loop. Sounds about right, since a universe is infinite, even a parallel one, eh?
    Meanwhile, I suspect music will sooth any fat fingered beast, enjoy!

  80. Test post from phone: I know what I’m trying to say and Richard knows what he’s trying to say but what we have here is a failure to communicate.

  81. j4,
    oh ho! Can it be true, a member of a ‘pariah group’? If so, clearly you’re in the right place, moj prijatelj (but Janko, that there is the grand total of my Croatian … and about the extent of my group theory too;)

  82. Nigel,
    I think Carole Sampson adds real value by supplying transcripts of various interviews. These are easier to follow than listening to the shows and have been interesting to read. Knowing the backstory to the Carbsane conspiracy theories deflates them.
    If someone is lying about a public figure or manipulating events to defame them, publishing information that puts the record straight is a public service. And Taubes is entertaining and inspiring to read in transcript. Evelyn, not so much.
    As for the rest, I don’t need it but, what’s sauce for the goose.

  83. Look, he let that rabid racist “Mary” some months ago have enough rope to hang herself, while telling her exactly what he was doing and repeatedly saying that he wholly disagreed and wouldn’t pay attention to any of her attempted arguments. The other commenters just stopped rising to her baiting after a while and she went away.

    Oh Dear dimbulb Marie, I never “went away”. I told Richard I liked his blog long before our exchange on race, and would continue to despite his (understandable) cowardice on the matter. I skim here from time to time as I have for years, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
    And really, I am glad I do, for if I didn’t , I might have missed you, ‘Miss Race-less Wonder’ (lol) defending Jewish writer and “”new atheist”, Sam Harris, from, ummm, what was it again…..ah yes, charges of being a RACIST/ISLAMOPHOBE/ETC, hahahaa…….I mean, you just can’t make this stuff up. You call me a rabid racist while wringing your hands over Sam being called a …..rabid racist, lol. Fun!

    Thanks for the laughs, and nice to know I am still so prominent in your ‘thoughts’ , after all this time!

    xo

  84. @Ellen:

    Thanks for that bit of dissection and clarification. Figures.

    Before I installed moderation here for 1st time comments (mainly to keep out the trolls and those who come ONLY to crap on me in a lazy single sentence) I was pretty damn abusive to some commenters sometimes. Everything came through and I only deleted obvious troll or spam. I called it active moderation (ah, go fuck yourself, etc). But no deleting, no banning. That was the deal: everybody gets to abuse each other equally. :)

    Unfortunately, it really can get tiresome so I’ve been toning it WAY down myself lately, hoping it’ll rub off on cunts like Nigel. :)

  85. “Unfortunately, it really can get tiresome so I’ve been toning it WAY down myself lately, hoping it’ll rub off on cunts like Nigel”

    Priceless ! As he wipes half a glass of Rioja from his monitor screen.

  86. “I’m just sorry you had to go through all that and actually, I’m sorry Richard did too. I can’t help wondering how Gabriela is doing, sounds like she was at ground zero. Damn.”

    I have ZERO animosity toward Gabriella or anyone else who was there. I recall saying something like “it’s you bitches’ fault” referring to something or other in an “unintended consequences” sort of way (you want this, but say or do that, and so get the other thing—your fault). Didn’t mean the bitches part literally or in anger or anything, so sorry to Gabriella if it came out that way. Sorry Gabriella; anyone else, too. Galina, perhaps? You too Galina. And you, Wooo.

  87. George Henderson said…
    “Nigel,
    I think Carole Sampson adds real value by supplying transcripts of various interviews. These are easier to follow than listening to the shows and have been interesting to read. Knowing the backstory to the Carbsane conspiracy theories deflates them.
    If someone is lying about a public figure or manipulating events to defame them, publishing information that puts the record straight is a public service. And Taubes is entertaining and inspiring to read in transcript. Evelyn, not so much.
    As for the rest, I don’t need it but, what’s sauce for the goose.”
    Thanks for that. I’m still not interested in dramas, conspiracies etc. Has anyone’s career been damaged by Evelyn’s writings?

  88. Richard Nikoley said…
    “Unfortunately, it really can get tiresome so I’ve been toning it WAY down myself lately, hoping it’ll rub off on cunts like Nigel. :)
    Being insulted by anonymous internet users is like being savaged by dead sheep. I reserve the right to call them names. I’ll try to tone it down. :D

  89. Eddie Mitchell said…
    “Priceless ! As he wipes half a glass of Rioja from his monitor screen.”
    Rioja’s got carbs. Bad Eddie.

  90. Around 0.2 per 100ml. I am a low carber not a no carber. A glass or two of red wine has zero effect on BG numbers, other that to reduce BG at times for some diabetics.

  91. Richard, oh my, you said the word ‘sorry’? “You’ve come a long way, baby” :) :)
    What? After your stated abhorrence of the word, you didn’t think you’d get away without being teased now, did you?!
    This is a sea-change, way more than toning it Way down. Eddie’s computer is surely in danger of moisture damage!
    Incroyable! The effect of that milk diet seems to be really amazing, revealing the slimmer body and the kinder, gentler soul,….I always knew it was there, cheri.
    O.k., I’m good now. Really. Merriment won’t bubble-over again. I think.
    I’d try the milk, except I’m supposed to gain weight after being injured and sick for months – heh, tough problem to have, eh?
    So sitting here eating chips (popcorn is for wimps) and finally giving in to another vice and watching the paleo version of the jerry springer show over on drama-is-us.

  92. “What? After your stated abhorrence of the word, you didn’t think you’d get away without being teased now, did you?!”

    No no no. I’ve apologized countless times in my life, but never, ever by demand or command. moreover, I have never asked or demanded an apology and when one is offered to me my typical response is ‘c’est rien’ ‘don’t worry about it’ or ‘just don’t do it again.’

  93. Richard, je sais. You’ve always held to principle. Sorry is admission of mea culpa or at least regret for unintentionally causing harm or hurt, while eating crow is just meant to be demeaning.
    So yeah, my teasing is tongue-in-cheek, especially in the faux-feminist Virginia slims style :)

  94. Dr. Curmudgeon Gee says:

    @marie,

    Sean is more like a genuine asshole (not those cheap imitation ones)

    although i do like him — he thinks.

    regards,

  95. @Eddie: Doesn’t alcohol interfere with GNG?

  96. Oh god. Now I suspect she’s going after J. Stanton of gnolls.org. Just saw a comment on his “How heart healthy whole grains make us fat” post from a Melissa asking him to denounce you and saying than she would talk.

  97. Jen

    Actually, CS, for whatever reason, put that up but it was published over a year ago. I suspect the recent comment from “Melissa” is a tongue in cheeker. Funny, though.

  98. @George Henderson: Have you compared Carole’s transcripts to the interviews? I don’t trust that woman to write in an unbiased fashion. If Evelyn slanders, libels or defames someone, they can take legal action against her. Therefore, Carole’s blog is superfluous, other than for drama value.

  99. Yea, Nigel, we got that you don’t like it about 12 comments ago. What part of nobody cares what you think don’t you seem to understand?

  100. hast thou denounce-ed richard of nikoley ??

  101. I am denounced!

    Hey, does it count if I publicly denounce myself?

  102. SidonieDeLa says:

    Marie, thank you too, you’re kind. I’m thrilled it didn’t fall flat. I worried the hint was either stupidly obscure or too easy. I’m thinking the only place de la Houssaye is referred to as a proto-feminist is in the intro to that collection from her grandmother. I’ve never had much truck with that term, but it sounded funny and your take on it makes sense. I guess I just don’t like those kind of terms too much. I always figure that if people stopped trying so hard to label themselves and each other, it would make their own lives a whole lot easier. The men too, so much public bellyaching over male identity.

  103. SidonieDeLa says:

    Marie and Richard, more about terms. Sorry, I was reminded when I saw the self-denouncing joke.
    I’m not not sure at all that I get the distinction that Marie and Woo are making about denouncing versus separating? If I don’t want to denounce someone, why bother putting them down in a post? I don’t need to separate myself from a blog or a writer or anything like that. They are not my clones, or my husband, or family. Of Course I don’t support everything they say or do. Why would anyone think I do? Does everyone suddenly have to ‘clarify their position’ because of this identity business and “taking sides” that’s being pushed by that young’un (I can’t help that, she sounds like she’s in high-school). It’s like some kind of disease infecting everyone. I do like Mari’s point about being free to read or look away, there’s no call to heap derision on anyone unless you’ve got a yen to control others. I wonder, could hunter-gatherers even conceive of civil war?

  104. Sidonie, ma petite, you must be careful, you’ve just inadvertently labelled yourself an ‘apologist’. Oh the horror!
    .
    I’m sorry too, because I don’t think we can yet be done with labels and identity politics. You’re right, it’s like a disease. So it will run it’s course. I just hope the whole, diverse host survives.
    Now how you got to hunters-gatherers and civil war, that’s bloody interesting.
    So, this is Dedicated to you …. and to Nigel (it’s twisted Nigel, only your humor would catch it ;) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALhwQKTRAgA

  105. Dr. CG, laf! Sean is quite genuine, indeed.
    With the nesting gone, I almost missed your comment.
    .
    Richard, I know the downside with nesting, but it’s something that facilitates continuous conversation in comments. Right now, one has to scroll quite far up to find the comment they’re answering and then, if it’s a little bit involved, go back and forth….so not likely to bother as much.
    Are you decided on this format or still evaluating?

  106. Richard Nikoley said…
    “Yea, Nigel, we got that you don’t like it about 12 comments ago. What part of nobody cares what you think don’t you seem to understand?”
    If people will insist on bringing up the subject, I will insist on replying to it. I operate in an infinite loop, remember.

  107. “I operate in an infinite loop, remember”

    Does that mean you operate with your head up your arse ?

  108. Eddie Mitchell said…
    “Does that mean you operate with your head up your arse ?”
    No. I leave that to you.

  109. marie said…
    “So, this is Dedicated to you …. and to Nigel (it’s twisted Nigel, only your humor would catch it ;) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALhwQKTRAgA
    Thanks marie. That’s one long video. I need to watch it a few times to fully appreciate it.

  110. @SidonieDL

    “Does everyone suddenly have to ‘clarify their position’”

    No. Ridicule is much more fun.

    http://freetheanimal.com/2013/04/misadry-misogyny.html

    “she sounds like she’s in high-school”

    No shame in that. The problem is being “suddenly enlightened” with a dose of savior of the world. That is all we’re dealing with and as such, dismissible and ridiculous.

    Melissa is some years away from figuring out the balance between shit stirring and actually helping real people on the ground. She doesn’t have a “success stories” categories on HGL because there are no success stories, because pretty much all she even does on that blog is critique.

    Critiques don’t feed, nor do they inspire. But she doesn’t care, because she was busy just holding herself together for the sake of all of us cavemen, not wanting to rock the boat for our sakes, feeling silenced.

  111. “I operate in an infinite loop”

    You say tomato, I say tomahto.

  112. “Dr. CG, laf! Sean is quite genuine, indeed.
    With the nesting gone, I almost missed your comment.”

    Sean is going to call me a fucker for this, just like he called me a fucker in email this morning when I told him to get off his lazy ass and post something.

    So what does he do? The fucker steals my liver schtick.

    http://praguestepchild.blogspot.com/2013/04/lasagne-with-liver.html

    I complained, too. He says, “You don’t own me.”

    http://youtu.be/CmOrWG2FTbg

  113. Oh Richard, you mean Sean doesn’t know Nobody does [liver] better, than you? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNA7DcVppEs

  114. Nigel, “That’s one long video” – yes, the dark side of “What we’ve got here is a failure to communicate” can run very long and painfully. It’s a twisted link to your comment, true.

  115. @marie

    Thanks for the reminder. I love Adele’s “Skyfall” so damned much–seriously, do you note how she purposely does NOT oversing it–I’ve been thinking of collecting every Bond theme song going way back for my eclectic music library.

    Wow, have they ever done a great job over the decades on that score.

    Gold finger….

  116. Richard, de rien, I love the music videos for the reminders too. Sometimes I end up spending an hour on youtube because of someone’s post. Adele does some of the most amazing minor-key ‘falls’ that soften the emotional peaks/troughs – that lady won’t ever oversing anything, I don’t think.

    And I have never missed a Bond flick, usually the first week it’s out ;)

  117. Someone ought to write a social-philosophy book about Bond.

    Nah, too easy. Every guy wants to be James Bond and women just want to be one of the dozen. :)

  118. …oh James…

  119. Ahahaa, ceded. I guess I’m easy ;)

  120. Done. ITunes. 8 bucks, all 25 themes including Skyfall. What a world, and right from my iPad. And since I’m in the cloud, it’ll stream from the pone and computer too.

  121. I’m there. Thank you!

  122. Richard Nikoley said…
    “You say tomato, I say tomahto.”
    I’m glad you haven’t lost your sense of humour.

    @marie: Mary’s comment to you shows that irony is still alive & well & living in MaryLand.

  123. >> “Hey, does it count if I publicly denounce myself?”

    as long as you clean up afterwards you may do to yourself as you wish

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