Nope. And for good reason.
In a post he titled Why Vegans and Paleos Should Stop Hating Each Other, Matt Frazier says, principally:
I’m not suggesting we throw away the labels. Vegan means a lot to me, for ethical reasons and for health-related ones too. I’m sure Paleos feel the same about their tribe. I’m just saying let’s work together, instead of against each other, for the good of everyone who simply wants to learn to be healthy, and doesn’t care how.
Apparently his dad has gone Paleo and that has helped him. Good for him. And also good for Matt where, if you check the comments he took quite a lot of heat over this, much of which goes straight to my “nope,” above. In fairness, he probably got more support than not, but it’s just kinda touchy-feely and doesn’t really take count of the irreconcilable cat & dog nature of the thing.
I dropped a comment (emphasis added).
The essential problem is that you vegans have absolutely nothing to offer us. To the extent you eat whole foods, well, we already have that. I see veganism as a force, often a lobbying force, to restrict or even eliminate our choices to eat nutritionally dense animal sourced foods and I simply cannot and will never tolerate any sort of alliance.
It is war, plain and simple. A war I wholehearted embrace and advocate.
As far as individuals go, hey, everybody gets to go to hell in their own go-cart. So yea, I have vegan friends.
The problem is that it’s an apples & oranges deal. When have you ever heard a Paleo accuse a vegan of being “unethical” in their dietary choices? When has even the dumbest Paleo on earth proposed laws or other sorts of restriction that would limit what vegans eat in the slightest? In fact, to the extent that Paleos do propose silly laws and various political activism (labeling, outlawing GMO, etc.), these are all vegan issues as well and will presumably “benefit” them the same way (Note: I don’t agitate politically. I just vote with dollars.).
Have we ever had death or harm wishes issued to Paleos who’ve gone off the reservation? Perhaps you’ve heard about Alex Jamieson’s defection from veganism: I’m not vegan anymore.
Cravings from my body would SHOUT for meat, and my brain and logic would violently shove it away.
This went on for months.
I would secretly visit restaurants or stores and buy “contraband” animal foods, scurry home, and savor the food in solitude. […]
And I realized that by keeping my truth a secret, I was adding to the hostile food-culture that so many feel trapped by.
The food culture that makes being overweight a crime and a weakness.
The food culture that makes eating what your body needs a moral dilemma.
This culture that has produced the most unhealthy, food-and-weight obsessed and ashamed generations the world has ever seen.
And it’s killing us in so many ways. [emphasis added]
Check out a goodly number of the more than 1,000 comments, if you dare.
Here’s a 2-minute video interview with Alex by The Globe And Mail, where you learn of people wishing her dead, “friends” being most concerned for how her turn from veganism would look; so on—you know the drill. In the end she says she learned that everyone is an individual and every individual is their own best health advocate.
In the end it’s an an ideology of taboo, moral condemnation and forceful restriction where legislatively possible vs. and omnivore’s framework or foundation based on human evolution and migration across the planet. While we know that humans evolved on plants and animals, we don’t know what mix of same is optimal for any individual. They must decide for themselves.
And vegans have absolutely nothing to offer us.
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Update: Just dropped another comment in response to Eliot:
“If I was convinced that eating meat would improve my health…”
Two ideas, for your consideration.
1) Two raw oysters per week and a vegan will have zero B12 issues (good zink, too) and oysters have no CNS so don’t “suffer.” Oysters are basically an “animal-like plants;” same for mussels, clams, and other such.
2) On the more daring side, back when I did the live internet and call-in-debate with 30BAD Harley Johnstone, hosted by the very cool & kind Steve Prussack @ Raw Vegan Radio, at a point in the debate I challenged vegans to take 4 OUNCES of beef liver and see how much raw fruit would be required to roughly equal the micronutrients (vits and mins). Here was the result:
Hint: about 5 pounds of mixed fruit = 4 oz of beef liver; if you toss out vitamin C or both, it gets much worse. Ounce for ounce, liver has over 2-THOUSAND% more nutrition than fruit. Later on, in editing v2.0 of my book, I reworked stuff and included other comparisons, like to grains & things:
Anecdotally, both my wife & I grew up eating liver (and for me, often fresh venison because we were hunters and fishermen) and both love it. She makes me cook up about a pound every Sunday. Her typical breakfast is 1-2 OZ strips of cold leftover liver wrapped in a heated corn tortilla, and she swears she feel SO AWESOME!
Update again: I was in the mod queue after not having been since my first comment. Perhaps Matt was a bit wary given this post. Understandable, which is why I made no mention. But, he published it. Stand up guy. Respect.