I’ll probably disappoint some with a paucity of input, here. But, I promised, so here is going to be my honest take on the matter.
The background is that way long time ago, 2008, I read a post by then student, now Dr. Stephan Guyenet, referencing a post by then student, now Dr. Chris Masterjohn. And it fucking rocked my world and connected so many dots that I’ve still not collected every single one into a coherent montage I’m satisfied with.
I keep trying. It’s arguable—to me at least, trying to understand my own ways—that those two post set everything in motion for me. It made a ton of things not add up, while suggesting clues towards adding up other stuff. I recall sitting on this info for for some months before daring to blog about it.
The long story short is that it’s likely that what Weston Price discovered in his world travels was Vitamin K2, and it’s very special, acting in concert with Vitamin D from the sun, and Vitamin A from animal flesh to make your intake of minerals go everywhere they should (bones & teeth), and no place they shouldn’t (soft tissue). I’m a total sucker for simple and elegant, like that.
So, again, long story short, is that I tried High Vitamin Butter Oil from Green Pastures and got immediate, crazy, profound results. There can be no quibbling with variable confounding in this case. I’d had dental surgery some years before, for awful gum disease, and had to have 4 cleanings per year to chip away at massive calculus buildup. …And here I sit 7 years later and not only do I not have any sign of calculus buildup, after 3 years without a single cleaning, but I rarely brush my teeth.
I use wooden toothpicks after almost every meal in order to dislodge food for excessive bacterial growth, as well as to massage the gum tissue. When I brush, I just take a dry toothbrush and brush. Rinse with water and spit. And, I feed my gut (which is the punchline).
So what about fermented cod liver oil?
At some point in the journey, maybe three years ago, I wondered about their Butter Oil / Fermented Cod Liver Oil Blend. I got a couple bottles, then a whole case. Same results, no downsides.
Great work, Mama!
In my own case, I got good results from butter oil way back (same as with other sources of K2, primarily teeth and calculus buildup). Couple of years ago I decided I’d try the FCLO/BO blend in caps. I took 2 caps per day.
Same good results, if not better. I ordered a case of six bottles, so I took them for a good while. Stellar pearly teeth that never need cleaning or even brushing (wooden toothpicks for me :).
Anyway, I did have a level of frustration with GP and Dave’s obsessive secrecy and mystery. I emailed a simple question: how much BO in each cap, explaining that I would like to be sure I’m getting about the same amount, with the added FCLO. Could NOT get a straight answer. I ask again: well, the BO caps are .5g and the FCLO/BO blend is 1g. I was taking 1-2 BO per day before, and take 1-2 of the blend now. Am I getting the same or nearly the same amount of BO?
“Most people take more” is the only answer I could get, which I just consider downright smarmy.
I may use it again periodically in the future, and I really don’t care about the fermented vs rancid issue. Many cultures eat rancid and putrified food as delicacies, and most animals do it all the time. For all we know, some level of spoil has beneficial effects.
I also don’t care for their religious innuendo in some of their communications, which is personal preference for me, but also, “God made it that way” really isn’t a satisfactory answer since presumably he also made botulinum toxin, by the same logic.
Again, great write up and you’re a great value.
So, it should be no secret that I dislike Dave Wetzel. He’s an ass of the worst sort: vying to have his cake and eat it too by calling on doG to those who pray over the bottles he sells them, but getting testing results for those who laf at his duplicity.
But that doesn’t mean there’s not something to his product. Call it independent verification on my part, with an ability to look beyond his asshole—as others look past mine. Part of me will always feel in the debt of Guyenet, Masterjohn, and Wetzel, and I’m happy about that.
Chris Kresser did a nice long blog about it, and I don’t think he’s very worried. Chris Masterjohn did a post as well, and while he spent a lot of time on the lipid details such as peroxidation—which make it a worthy read regardless—I don’t think he’s worried either. Also, of note, is how Chris schools in terms of people using words like “fermentation” colloquially, not scientifically, and then use that colloquial understanding to argue science. Here’s where I lafed: “Nah, bros can’t ferment, just my glycogen does when my workout is all glycolytic.”
The punchline is that I haven’t taken any appreciable K2 supplementation via butter oil or the synthetic variants in a couple of years. I don’t take much D3 either. Instead, I spend huge amounts of time in the sun, and I feed my vitamin factory (gut bugs) with plenty of substrate fiber—all the while getting critical nutrients from high-density stuff like raw milk, pate (liver), oysters, mussels, and clams.
My teeth are as smooth as ever, and my gums have zero sign of inflammation.
….Please do not comment about grassfed butter or ghee as some surrogate for butter oil. For the millionth time (for people who ask and do not research for themselves) it IS NOT butter oil, which only a cursory look reveals in seconds of thinking for yourselves. I’d far prefer to take a 1g cap of butter oil, instead of having to eat 1-2 pounds of butter or ghee.