Go Vegan! The New Vegan Diet; Raw and All Natural; B12 Solution!

Face it, vegans. It’s the truth. Vitamin B12 deficiency is an issue. Now, you can evade the problem, pretending it doesn’t exist, or cope however you choose to cope.

I gather that many vegans (I’m not one, but I pay attention) supplement B12. Well, I must ask: if this is the diet intended by God, Nature or Darwin, does it make sense that you must take some man-made, processed, encapsulated supplement to function normally? B12 is hugely important and often, ramifications of deficiency don’t show up for years.

I have solved this huge dilemma; I’ll state it point blank! How, you may ask, can I be vegan, shun processed foods including supplementation, and still be good to go on vitamin B12? This novel, creative and wholly natural (and raw) solution began back when I noted a post from Dr. Seale and blogged about it. Dr. Seale: “any B12 present in animal foods is only because of bacterial contamination.”

You can read the post, but here’s a summary which will give you all the background you need. Humans don’t produce a lot of B12 that can be absorbed. We produce a lot, but in the colon, via bacteria, but it’s too late. By then, it’s essentially poop. Ruminants, on the other hand, produce B12 in the rumen, well ahead of the digestive tract, so it’s absorbed, which is why ruminant animal flesh (cows & such) is high in B12.

Thus, the dilemma. Vegans don’t eat or use animal products, so B12 is a problem. It’s the truth. A hard fact. But do not worry because I have the ultimate — raw-ultimate — solution. And this is free, for now. I may — if it takes off — look to marketing channels later but right now I’m just concerned about an obvious problem for my fellow human beings. And if you don’t believe that, then consider this a market test, no charge.

So; OK, yea, since I’m not asking you to pay for my discovery, a five paragraph lead-up should be about right, if not excessive. I am a bit self indulgent (ask my wife). I just wanted you to keep hanging on: to the punch line.

If you took the time to read the link, above, which is not necessary, you’ll know that ruminants have no problem getting B12. But we’re not ruminants. Neither were our primate ancestors. Yes, they had big huge guts and small brains, so they could spend their days eating fibrous vegetation and digest it — they too had a B12 "problem" (well, not really, as you’ll see). Since they’re non-human animals and not subject to the social norms that we’re subject to going on eons, they know how to get loads and gobs of B12 without even eating a single animal.

Are you ready to see how, my vegan friends? Now, this is a goldmine, I’m sure; but I’m all wrapped up in paleo at the moment and have certain designs on monetization once I feel right about it. What I’m saying is that I’m kinda putting this idea into the public domain. Run with it. Hey, I may eventually look at business opportunities, but I’m very, very busy — not only with my blog, but with a company I own. Bad timing; because, this solves the whole thing, and it’s raw too! Not only can you market to the processed food vegans, moderate "clean" vegans, but also to the raw vegans. Basically, to vegans. All vegans.

The truth is, I thought long and hard about this. Frankly, business has been going less than stellar and for a number of reasons, I have been considering a move. This opportunity — to solve the vegan B12 deficiency once and for all — was on the top of my list.

Alright, at this point I’m self-loathing for indulging myself in keeping it so suspenseful. I apologize. Those who know my blog know I kinda do what I want, I’m not very polished, and clearly, this is no exception. I am truly hopeless on a number of levels.

As it is with many great discoveries, particularly those that lift your fellow man — and who’s more moral and virtuous than a vegan? — I just kinda figured this would be worth it in the end.

So onward. No more suspense. The idea came to me — get this — from a YouTube video. Let’s see if you catch the amazing marketing opportunity, as I did (patting myself on the back), so quickly. But if not, don’t worry because I’ll spell it out after the video. (I’m giving it all away, at this point).

But wait! I wanted to be sure. Is that just an aberration, or is it real? That is, do primates really practice this form of B12 supplementation regularly? Well, indeed they do; and I suppose frequent zoo goers, as well as zoologists out in the wild, can substantiate that.

Now, let’s get serious here, vegans. It’ll be a hard loaf to swallow to try and get vegans to eat their own poop for vitamin B12 (even though it’ll be fresh, raw, and potentially the richest source). But who needs that? We’re fat, happy, well fed. Good enough is good enough.

Here’s what I propose: Let’s encapsulate fresh, raw poop — from ruminants or primates (intervention studies could later determine which is more effective in raising B12 levels). Can you imagine the premium you could charge if it had to be air tight, refrigerated, so the bacteria could keep doing their thing all the while?

Well, I’ve gone on long enough and don’t wish to insult your intelligence. I’ve given away the whole thing and am quite certain that someone is going to pick up on this and beat us to market. Nonetheless, I’m here and available for consultation towards an eventual marketable product in natural, raw, vitamin B12 supplementation.

…And it’s not a moment too soon, seems to me. I got wind of an article in the last day or so: The Rise of the Power Vegans. Sobering. But what an opportunity, given the above. Let’s review.

…a growing number of America’s most powerful bosses have become vegan. Steve Wynn, Mort Zuckerman, Russell Simmons, and Bill Clinton are now using tempeh to assert their superiority. As are Ford Executive Chairman of the Board Bill Ford (F), Twitter co-founder Biz Stone, venture capitalist Joi Ito, Whole Foods Market (WFMI) Chief Executive Officer John Mackey, and Mike Tyson. Yes, Mike Tyson, a man who once chewed on human ear, is now vegan. His dietary habit isn’t nearly as impressive as that of Alec Baldwin, though, who has found a way to be both vegan and fat at the same time. […]

Wynn was converted when his friend—telecom mogul and recent vegan Gulu Lalvani—made him watch Eating, a documentary in which director Mike Anderson explains his strict meat- and oil-free diet. "I watched it, and I changed the next morning," says Wynn. "Bang! Just like that." The transition was eased by the fact that Wynn happened to be on a yacht with a personal chef. As soon as he got home, he began spreading the gospel as only a mogul can—like buying 10,000 copies of Eating, one for each of his employees. "I’m providing the ass for the insurance. If they’re sick, we’re picking up the tab," says Wynn. "If I can keep them healthier, I’m acting like a smart businessman." […]

For others, veganism is a moral imperative. In 2000, Twitter co-founder Biz Stone went to visit Farm Sanctuary, an animal rescue organization with a location in upstate New York, and returned a vegan. […]

Veganism’s image, however, could still use some updating. While it remains associated with indie rock stars, such as Moby, and people with pixie haircuts, such as Ellen DeGeneres, it also counts among its newest converts ex-NBA star John Salley, Atlanta Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez, former National Hockey League brawler Georges Laraque, professional poker player Daniel Negreanu, and, less recently, pop star and amateur bodybuilder Madonna. Ultimate Fighting Championship mixed martial artist and vegan Luke Cummo says that he drinks his own urine.

(emphasis added)

And there you go! The real punchline I’ve been so itching to get at for the last hour or so drafting this.

This is a marketing opportunity, folks. Look, if drinking your own urine can pass muster with Bloomberg Bussinessweek without so much as a redirect question or blink of an eye…

…how far off can eating poop be? Email me. I smell a gold mine…in poop.

Finally, my vegan friends will be able to hold their heads high and proclaim, rightly, that they are by no means vitamin B12 deficient and in fact, probably fare better than the average meat eater.

It just takes a bit of poop.

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  1. Angelo on November 6, 2010 at 22:18

    Since vegans won’t even eat honey, it might be a hard sell. But, you knoooow, considering the crap they already eat…this might actually have a shot. http://meatcandy.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/top-ten-vegan-foods-that-look-like-poop/

    • Alex on November 7, 2010 at 02:11

      Of course vegans will baulk at eating the poop from another animal but there is nothing counter to their philosophy in eating their own poop! It should be noted that many commercially available vitamin B12 supplements (especially those manufactured by Big Pharma subsidiaries) are derived from sewage sludge if not cow by-products:
      “Vitamin B-12 comes from one of two sources – ground up cow’s liver which has been overloaded with steroids, antibiotics and the herbicides/pesticides in the feed the cow eats. The second source is activated sewage sludge – fecal matter. It’s high in B-12 and inexpensive to obtain. All such manufacturers and their lab people consider that a vitamin is a vitamin – where it comes from is irrelevant as long as the public doesn’t know and form an “emotional aversion” to it. The rest of the B vitamins are processed from coal tar and petroleum chemicals.”
      -Advanced Alternatives Center website

      • Richard Nikoley on November 7, 2010 at 03:40

        Are you saying they beat me to it?

        Ok, but Im talking fresh, moist, organic shit.

      • Nancy W on November 7, 2010 at 06:03

        lol! I was thinking more like communion wafer.
        I wonder if this is why my dog likes to eat cat poo?

  2. Wojciech Majda on November 6, 2010 at 23:56

    Richard you may think that’s a joke, but some vegan eat shit for health reason. And it cured their B12 deficient caused anemia. A quote:

    “B-12 produced in, but cannot be absorbed from, the human colon. The human colon contains bacteria that produce vitamin B-12, and fecal matter is a rich source of B-12. This raises the question of whether B-12 can be absorbed from the colon. From Herbert [1988, p. 852]:

    In one of the less appetizing but more brilliant experiments in the field of vitamin B-12 metabolism in the 50s, Sheila Callendar (7) in England delineated that colon bacteria make large amounts of vitamin B-12. Although the bacterial vitamin B-12 is not absorbed through the colon, it is active for humans. Callendar studied vegan volunteers who had vitamin B-12 deficiency characterized by classic megaloblastic anemia. She collected 24-h stools, made water extracts of them, and fed the extract to the patients, thereby curing their vitamin B-12 deficiency. This experiment demonstrated clearly that 1) colon bacteria of vegans make enough vitamin B-12 to cure vitamin B-12 deficiency, 2) the vitamin B-12 is not absorbed through the colon wall, and 3) if given by mouth, it is absorbed primarily in the small bowel.

    Herbert et al. [1984] collected the 24-hour fecal output from 6 men. They found that the (24-hour) total fecal output contained ~100 mcg of total corrinoids, of which only ~5 mcg was true B-12 (the remainder being analogues). (Note: see Mozafar [1994] for a table of B-12 levels in manure, feces, soil, sludge, etc.) Given this, the work of Callendar mentioned above could be taken to suggest that the true B-12 in the feces (if reingested and passed back through the small bowel) would be absorbed, despite the substantial amount of analogues present.”

    Well, that’s what I call sacrifice for the cause! :D

    • Richard Nikoley on November 7, 2010 at 00:28

      Oh, please don’t misunderstand. While written in a style, no joke.

      Thank you sir, for so adequately lending scientific credibility to my togne (in my cheek).

      • Steve Cooksey on November 7, 2010 at 06:15

        You are… full of it! LOL!

        Thanks Richard

  3. Wojciech Majda on November 7, 2010 at 01:28

    Anyway is shit vegan? It’s an animal product :D

    • Richard Nikoley on November 7, 2010 at 03:36

      Yea, that’s the bugaboo ringing in my head the whole time. I guess vegans will just have to eat their own.

    • garymar on November 7, 2010 at 16:07

      Shouldn’ be a problem. Many vegans abhor the exploitation of OTHER animals. If you use your own s**t you’re not exploiting any other creatures.

  4. johnmc on November 6, 2010 at 21:52

    So, basically, vegans can go eat shit.

  5. Grok on November 6, 2010 at 22:08

    LOL. I sooo saw this coming.

    You know whats funny? On my raw vegan journey I’ve often looked at my shit and though “That looks and smells edible. Ha-ha

  6. ScottMGS on November 6, 2010 at 22:14

    I’m just glad you didn’t post a link to the video of two young women with one drinking vessel.

    • Paul on November 7, 2010 at 04:15

      classic :D

    • james on November 7, 2010 at 13:10

      man, if going vegan means I get to meet girls like that, I’m all over i-*HURK*

      okay couldn’t finish that with a straight face

  7. Dan Linehan on November 7, 2010 at 00:34

    Or just eat a fucking multivitamin.

    • Richard Nikoley on November 7, 2010 at 00:50

      But my solution is so much more natal,p Rae, vegan.

      Hey Dan, I don’t want to get under your skin. Frankly, I’m amazed you have put up with me.

      • Dan Linehan on November 8, 2010 at 04:31

        If your advice wasn’t frequently so useful I wouldn’t.

  8. martin svendsen on November 7, 2010 at 01:07

    You should rewrite this article a la Jonathan Swifts “A Modest Proposal” and send it to all the vegan websites, just to see how many fall for it.

  9. Don Matesz on November 7, 2010 at 16:37

    Hey Richard,

    As I pointed out in my critique of an article on B12 ) by Dr. John McDougall M.D., a vegan advocate , he has written the following passage in which he implies that “until recently” people got their B12 by eating “unsanitized” vegetable foods and close contact with animal feces :

    “The [human] colon contains the greatest number of bacteria (4 trillion/cc of feces), and here most of our intestinal B12 is produced. However, because B12 is absorbed in the ileum, which lies upstream of the colon, this plentiful source of B12 is not immediately available for absorption—unless people eat feces (don’t gasp). Feces of cows, chickens, sheep and people contain large amounts of active B12. Until recently most people lived in close contact with their farm animals, and all people consumed B12 left as residues by bacteria living on their un-sanitized vegetable foods.”

    I responded with this:

    “Why shouldn’t we gasp? Is he suggesting that it is healthier to eat feces than to eat meat or milk? I venture to say without any scientific reference that people all over the planet feel revulsion at the idea of eating feces, and that no successful culture has failed to recognize the need to take steps to remove fecal matter from foods before consumption.

    “Moreover, every culture that keeps farm animals does so to have access to meat, milk, and eggs, not so as to have vegetables contaminated with fecal matter. But McDougall writes as if he wants us to believe that in the old days people avoided eating animal products and only kept farm animals so they could have access to vegetables contaminated with fecal matter.

    I don’t know of any human group that has a tradition of keeping farm animals just for the purpose of eating unwashed vegetables contaminated with feces. I find his insinuation insulting to the intelligence of the reader and the human race in general. In case the reader or McDougall does not know, consumption of fecal matter can kill by ingestion of deadly coliform bacteria or protozoans. Yet McDougall appears to think it is better to eat vegetables contaminated with fecal matter than to eat animal flesh.”

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  11. Kathy L on November 7, 2010 at 03:16

    Is dog food supplemented with B12? Would make sense if it’s not why some dogs eat poop, They just have a need for what they are missing by not eating some meat.

  12. Nigel Kinbrum on November 7, 2010 at 03:34

    Why stop at shit? There’s also human colostrum, breast milk, placenta and semen. Om, nom, nom!

    • Steve Cooksey on November 7, 2010 at 06:17

      OMG … Nigel, you made snort coffee!

      Thanks for that.

      • Helen on November 7, 2010 at 14:19

        You know what gives coffee that wonderful aroma? Indoles, the same stuff that gives shit, skunk spray, and jasmine their smells.

      • Bushrat on November 12, 2010 at 21:26

        Remember ladies, semen is mostly protein and its good for your skin.

    • Helen on November 7, 2010 at 14:22

      Can vegans have oral sex? Animal secretions, don’t ya know.

      I’m getting carried away…I’ll stop now.

      • Travis on November 9, 2010 at 11:21

        Nope. No tasting the flesh of another animal.

  13. Sean on November 7, 2010 at 04:27

    This creates something of a paradox. Shit is an animal ‘secretion’ like milk, so wouldn’t they be exploiting an animal, albeit themselves? Is it a sin to exploit other animals but not thyself? The MMA guy who drinks his own urine is already exploiting himself by drinking his own animal secretions, someone really ought to throw a pie laced with pepper-spray in his face. Come on vegans, I dare you.

    • Kim on November 7, 2010 at 15:28

      Actually, this is exacty the case. There have been several vegan mothers who would not breastfeed because breastmilk is from an animal. They’re the idiots who are giving their babies soymilk formulas. These babies fail to thrive and have sometimes died before someone got them help. One woman had her baby taken away because at 2 she couldn’t even lift her head up much less crawl or walk.

      • Eric W. on November 8, 2010 at 04:23

        I know of a case of vegan parents–or perhaps just one of the parents was vegan–starving their child to death, but it had less to do with the veganism than it did with the abusive *starvation*.

        If you really think there’s some conflict between breastfeeding and vegan ethics, you don’t know much about veganism.

      • Sue on November 8, 2010 at 14:50

        That’s so silly about not giving them breastmilk. I stupidly gave my second son soy formula. He seems okay but its something I always regret. What I know now I would have continued to try breast-feeding.

    • Allysia K on November 7, 2010 at 17:11

      This makes no sense. Seriously. The only way you could possibly exploit yourself would be if you weren’t consenting. How do you not consent to something you choose..?

  14. Elenor on November 7, 2010 at 04:56

    Do you remember PETA having a ….er…. sh|t fit … because some farmland school was having a fund-raising raffle? They divided up a field into squares, and sold the squares, and the winner was going to be the person who bough the square the cow dropped a flop into! PETA went nutso against the idea (I think they even tried to sue to stop it) because it was …. “offensive to the dignity of the cow”!! (Sorry? The WHAT of the cow?!)

    So, vegans would have to use their own pooh, lest they somehow assault the dignity of whatever animal was chosen as the source for their B12! {eye roll}

  15. R Dunn on November 7, 2010 at 05:26

    If I thought it was a viable market, I’d probably try to develop a “poop patch” they could wear in their arm pit or put under their tongue. On the other hand, a suppository might seem more natural to them.

    So the next time a vegan tells me not to give them any more shit I’ll say, “Hey, I was just trying to help, ya ingrate”

  16. JC on November 7, 2010 at 05:33

    B12 used to be readily available in our environment. It was found in our water, but we started chlorinating it. Good for stopping cholera outbreaks – bad for B12 producing bacteria. It was found in the soil of our veggies, but pesticides took care of much of that. It was found in our mouths, but tooth brushing, toothpaste and gargle treatments took care of that. We live in an abnormal world so take a supplement.

  17. Alcinda on November 7, 2010 at 08:53

    OK….trying to get them to take animal poop won’t work for many. Even using the poop is considered (by some) to be “exploiting” animals!!!

  18. mehitabel on November 7, 2010 at 12:25

    Problem solved. Thanks Richard. I’m sure those vegans could kiss you between the cheeks.

  19. Unamused Mouse on November 7, 2010 at 12:41

    Brilliant. :D

  20. Helen on November 7, 2010 at 13:04

    Serves ’em right for giving paleos a ration of shit. It amazes me to think that I have a gold mine up my butt and I didn’t even know it :) Just let anyone try to tell me that the sun doesn’t shine out of my ass now :P

  21. Paul C on November 7, 2010 at 13:05

    I have to disagree that poop is an animal product. It is made of vegetables and bacteria, both of which are on vegan’s “ok to slaughter” list. Sure some extra animal cells are in it too, but most everything on the planet is already covered in shed animal cells anyway, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

    • Helen on November 7, 2010 at 13:12

      Lol…you might have just seriously freaked out some vegan with that “everything on the planet is covered in shed animal cells” comment.

    • james on November 7, 2010 at 13:27

      Well if poop isn’t an animal product because it’s made of vegetables and bacteria then neither is milk, I mean it’s not like milk just magically came from the animal and nothing else.. you are what you eat (or drink), and that is the literal truth because matter cannot be created nor destroyed. So milk is made out of grass mostly. Or whatever the cow is fed.

      But cows are fed vegetables, which feed off of other dead vegetables and animals that have decomposed in the soil, and also what about the bees? All our wanton planting and replanting of plants is surely exploiting the plight of the worker bee?

      Can vegans drive cars? The gas is made from petrol which comes from long dead dinosaurs, right?

      Can vegans use plastic? it’s made from the same petrol.

      Can vegans drink any water that hasn’t just come from the stream? because other water probably has animal piss in it.

      Can vegans breathe the air in the room after my dog farts?

      I suddenly want to listen to “The Circle of Life” but it’s not in my iTunes, so I’ll settle for The Court of the Crimson King

      • Helen on November 7, 2010 at 14:11

        “Can vegans drive cars? The gas is made from petrol which comes from long dead dinosaurs, right?”

        I think driving cars would be ok for vegans because oil (petrol) is abiotic.

        But yeah, I hear ya…its a total theater-of-the-absurd, isn’t it?

      • Alex on November 7, 2010 at 15:14

        Strict vegans should not drive cars or even walk on asphalt – both contain cattle by-products (it has nothing to do with petroleum!).

      • Allysia K on November 7, 2010 at 17:14

        This sounds like that “no one can be 100% perfect so might as well not do anything at all” bullshit.

      • james on November 7, 2010 at 17:36

        absolutely not! just poking fun at the inherent absurdity and unnatural-ness of the vegan diet.

  22. haig on November 7, 2010 at 13:34

    I guess I need to think twice the next to I’m urged to tell a vegan to eat shit and die.

    • Helen on November 7, 2010 at 14:12

      You’d have to change it to “eat shit and live.”

      • J on November 8, 2010 at 13:05


        I can imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger, turd-in-hand, “Eat this if you want to live”

      • Dana H. on November 10, 2010 at 12:16


        Best comment of the thread.

  23. Ron on November 7, 2010 at 16:40

    As I sit here reading this post, my wife is asking me why I have this coprophagic grin on my face.

    • Helen on November 7, 2010 at 17:41

      You must be vegan!

      • Ron on November 7, 2010 at 17:49

        Certainly not! hahaha But for some reason I had a goofy looking smile on my face as I was reading Richard’s post. Now I’m going to raid the fridge of some tasty left-over almond flour chicken, which was fried in coconut oil.

  24. John Paul on November 7, 2010 at 17:16

    This article certainly gives Vegans a whole new definition of being full of shit.

  25. JE Gonzalez on November 7, 2010 at 19:07

    Hey listen Richard. While all your content is great I’m wondering about your interview with Martin Berkhan. When is it coming?

  26. MichaelF on November 8, 2010 at 05:37

    So it’s probably down here in comments but I’m running on the iPhone today and reading everything is brutal…

    A turd a day will keep the doctor away!

  27. Paul451 on November 8, 2010 at 09:21

    I’ve always suspected there was something ass-backwards about veganism and now you’ve sorted it out for me.

  28. Stu on November 8, 2010 at 09:25

    Great read, Richard.

    Animals also eat other animal feces in order to replenish benificial bactieria that they may be missing in their own gut. I assume they can tell helpful feces vs harmful from the smell. That wouldn’t explain why they might eat there own, though. B12 must be the answer.

    You are really on the cutting edge. Using feces for medicine is starting to catch on. The latest issue of the Journal of Clinical Gastroenterology has the following articles:

    Treatment of Refractory/Recurrent C. difficile-associated Disease by Donated Stool Transplanted Via Colonoscopy: A Case Series of 12 Patients
    Fecal Flora Reconstitution for Recurrent Clostridium difficile Infection: Results and Methodology
    Durable Alteration of the Colonic Microbiota by the Administration of Donor Fecal Flora


  29. sr on November 9, 2010 at 04:20

    I can vouch for the fact that primates eat lots of poop. In a physical anthropology class I took, we were assigned to observe the chimps at the zoo for two hours and write down everything we say. The professor said that she would know if we tried to fake it based on what we’d seen on the Discovery Channel. It turns out that poop-eating was the big difference between what you see on TV and what you see in real life.

    They would sit around in a circle pooping their hands and passing it around, eating each others poop. It was kind of like stoners passing a joint around. Don’t bogart that turd!

  30. Dave, RN on November 11, 2010 at 10:00

    Since technically poop is the product of an animal (the human animal, in this case) real vegans won’t eat it.

    On a more serious note, the transplantation of fecal matter from a healthy person to one with c-difficile has a 90% success rate!

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  35. Erin on December 28, 2010 at 09:21

    I’m not vegan… BUT… (repost) telling people that they are vitamin B-12 deficient because of their diet is an uninformed, pseudo-sciencey marketing gimmick – look into it, lest you spend any extra money on supplements.

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  38. Stabby on March 26, 2011 at 13:10

    So eat shit or eat dirt, eh? I know it isn’t a popular practice amongst the vegan crowd, but until there is demonstrable evidence that dirt or poo is sufficient for optimal health, people shouldn’t go around claiming it is quite all right to eat poo and dirt instead of taking a supplement. Remember that even omnivores could do with a b-12 supplement due to lack of intrinsic factor. Unless there is supplemental or organ-meat quantity B12 in there it is insufficient. Vegetarians in Indian have a very high rate of heart-disease due to chronically elevated homocysteine, and elderly North American vegetarians have more Alzheimers. So it is a real issue and needs to be taken seriously.

    I can’t understand this obsession with having to have one’s entire live in accordance with “nature”, as if that which is man-made is spiritually harmful. A human is an animal that has evolved to require certain nutrients in meat, but that is just an accident of evolution and says nothing about veganism in practice. If you think that veganism is right for you then do it and take the supplements. Having to take supplements doesn’t diminish that and it is fallacious to assume that what is “natural” is what one necessarily ought to do. If anything it is more laudable to amend a wrong that just happened to be a matter of circumstance (if you think such a thing is wrong).

    I would also recommend someone make a supplement that includes some choline, DHA (no flax can’t supply the brain optimally), carnitine, carnosene, CLA, glycine, K2 (yes it is in soy and so is choline, but do you want to eat soy? No you don’t), and vegans should seriously look into supplemental vitamin A in case they are the ones who can’t make enough vitamin A because their ancestors adapted on a diet with a lot of liver.

    • Richard Nikoley on March 26, 2011 at 17:20

      Stubby, while your recos are cool enough, are you missing the point of the post? It’s not really about eating one’s own shit.

  39. […] …You know, I have in the past also blogged about hunting chimpanzees, if only to highlight to vegans that chimps eat meat. They also eat bugs, worms, grubs, snails and all manner of other stuff they can get their hands on. And they have enormous guts compared to us so that they can actually extract nutrition from all that plant matter they eat. And, of course, they sometimes eat their own shit for adequate B12. […]

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