Another Simple Question: The Paleo Diet is Not The Way to a Healthy Future For Whom?

An Anthropologist by the name of Barbara J King got a gig on NPR to ostensibly critique “The Paleo Diet.”

The problem is: the problem is baked into the cake. We live in the Neolithic Zoo Human, where everyone’s problems are your problems and everyone’s expenses are your expenses…while everyone’s well being is theirs alone, and their fortunes are guarded to the death…so you lose, if you don’t care to spend your life paying attention. Individualize the gains and profits. Socialize the costs and losses. Create a perfect storm of tribal antagonism…only these tribes count into the hundreds of millions in America and now, worldwide. And who profits from such antagonism? That’s the cleverness, because, the lefties think it’s the corporations and the righties think it’s the politicians. The righties don’t realize that the big corporations are getting what they’ve paid for — with a big fine now and then for show, passed onto you — and the lefties don’t realize their knights in shining armor politicians are bought and paid for like cheap whores.

…Newsflash: they’re all whores: the white collar scam-scum, and the politician scam-scum. …Do you see your local coffee artisan, cheese artisan, clothing artisan, organic farmer — and I could go on and on — as part of this problem, or a spark of solution?

Both they — the whores — need things, which ought to come as no surprise: that you remain relatively helpless, needing guidance…seeking authority that’s passed down through filters. To sum it up, they need dependents. And the Barbara did exactly what she was supposed to do. I dunno, but I find it difficult to find her article as serving science and honest inquiry more that it serves: don’t do it!

Barbara made all the goofs one can make in such an article. And while there are now a number of valid critiques, I’m going to focus on only one.

…Oh, wait, can’t resist this one, because it’s so fucking stupid.

In a few days, the world’s population will reach 7 billion. Only a tiny fraction of this number still makes a living by hunting and gathering, the way all our ancestors did before about 12,000 years ago. […]

Our ancestors began to eat meat in large quantities around 2 million years ago, when the first Homo forms began regular use of stone tool technology. Before that, the diet of australopithecines and their relatives was overwhelmingly plant-based, judging from clues in teeth and bones. I could argue that the more genuine “paleo” diet was vegetarian.

Shorter Barbara: skip that last 2 million years of evolution, in favor of all the elements that brought us to that point. Just forget it ever happened. Anthropologist? Biologist?

Oh, OK, one more example, but more of ignorance than of the aforementioned abject stupidity.

Here’s where science most forcefully speaks back. First, ancient hunter-gatherer groups adapted to local environments that were regionally and seasonally variable — for instance, coastal or inland, game-saturated or grain-abundant (eating grains was not necessarily incompatible with hunter-gatherer living). Second, genes were not in control. People learned what worked in local context for survival and reproduction, and surely, just as in other primates, cultural traditions began to play a role in who ate what.

“”paleo is equator to arctic/antarctic circle, and sea level to 16,000 feet, and everything in-between.” Someone said that a time or two, and you’re at the right address. This speaks to the last two italicized words in the title, which is that this simply doesn’t compute, because paleo is not a specific set of prescriptions and proscriptions, but a general evolutionary framework, and then you’re on your own. That is, you really do have to figure this out on your own. I have no doubt you’re competent to do so.

Uh oh…you don’t need the Barbara, and of course, along with NPR, that can be worrisome. People who make their life’s work, in part, to minister to the poor Zoo Human Animals really resent anything that doesn’t ultimately conclude that you need to consult with the “authorities,” First.

Don’ try this at home.

Her last paragraph was the main point of her entire post, if you’re used to seeing such things:

It’s not paleo-fantasy that’s going to help us negotiate a healthy future, the 7 billion of us together, on this environmentally-endangered planet.

She’s a collectivist — a “commie” on my worst days — and that’s just my personal schtick, so welcome commies, if you’re inclined to read on. Let me ask you a very simple question: Do you really have to worry about the problems of 7 billion people? Here’s one thing for sure: no one will ever come knocking at your door to tell you that his & hers in Ethiopia got a windfall and that you’re due reimbursement. The simple fact is that you are not evolutionarily endowed — as may be a bee hive or ant hill — to concern yourselves with the misfortunes, dangers, risks, or shortfalls of everyone else.

This is purely a scam that is largely self-perpetuating at this point, because everyone really believes they have a voice, and power at the voting booth, when they would be far better off, and would get a lot more out of it, just jerking, or making little circles — depending upon gender. But I digress to the real.

You know what? I cherish the fact that there are people in this world who really actually care, and that they don’t try to force others to help — or write an article for NPR. They actually get up off their asses, put their values to bear, and really do something. Because…at a point, nutrition, even if porridge in a bowl, has to go from field to processor, to packager, to truck, to ship, back to truck…and finally, bowl to mouth. It’s an individual endeavor with life & death consequences for which some have my utmost respect — even those diametrically opposed to me ideologically — because they put their ideology into actual physical action and that costs them.

But with the nature of the media, now, everyone pretends. Not many are actually feeding the starving (that’s meant literally, because human beings actually starve to death). Is Barbara? No, I doubt it. She’s simply content to write an article for the most elitist of institutions (yes, you read that right) pretending to the exact opposite (I listen to local Public Radio/NRP/PRI exclusively).

It’s really the most tawdry sort of bullshit. Forget that you have found your way. It’s not “sustainable” for 7 billion. …Notice that I never even try to take up that argument because, principally, as a selfish bastard who cares about myself, loved ones, friends and blog readers, I simply can’t care. Let me be be explicit: It’s not I don’t want to, or refuse. I simply recognize reality: I can’t “care,” not really, and even if I was to go spoon gruel into the mouths of children with distended bellies and weep my eyes out daily — because that’s exactly what I would do — it would never make a dent and ultimately, I would be forsaking what I really love the most, which is my own life for my own sake, and my loved ones and friends for theirs.

We’re not God, because he’s not real either — obviously — and neither are we Super-Human. We’re just part of the whole messy, purposeless spectacle — except for the purpose you can make for yourself. We’re limited, just like everything else, and while division of labor makes super-creativity possible and is largely what has allowed for the feeding of 7 billion people anyway, it’s not my fault or pleasure, and it’s probably not yours either. God didn’t make 7 billion people. People fucking made 7 billion people.

To the extent I can largely eat what I want, I choose for myself, most of the time, to eat the best, which means I go to the market, come back, cook it at home. While Barbara didn’t explicitly make an argument for Pop Tarts, Hot Pockets and Pizza Hut, I’m pretty sure she wants you to keep supporting some of the largest corporations in the world with your purchases of breads and cereals. Really? Because it’s ‘not Healthy for the Planet, not for 7 Billion,’ if you choose your own way?

You have one fuck of a hell of a lot on your shoulders. So Feel the guilt.

My last post asked “Why Are You Paleo.” And people actually got the individual connotation. While this might get Barbara’s panties in a bunch because people are going it on their own, and NPR might have to reevaluate their inherent snobby demeanor they like to think of as “excellence in broadcasting,” here it is, just selecting select goodness out of 135 comments, at this writing:

~ I am the sort of woman who says FUCK BEING WEAK and FUCK HURTING and FUCK BEING LESS THAN AMAZING. I am paleo because it helps me to be amazing, a mean and lean and whip-smart primate who can survive just about anything.

~ Us crossfitting paleo steak eating people do not tone anything the fuck down. If anything, we get louder, more obnoxious, and are the devil to deal with.

~ I’m paleo because when you take a young, strong, healthy human male eating processed crap and feed him real food he becomes unstoppable; physically, mentally, and emotionally.

~ Because I do not need a book to do it. I can strip down to my pure humanity and follow my ‘gut’ while checking my results. I swerve and change as needed.

~ I am paleo because today my blood pressure was 110 over 70, and in January of 2010 it was about 190 over 140. I weighed about 215 back then, today I am about 145, and I am not a weak lean.

~ I’m paleo Because I Chose to be, it Makes Sense, if you’re even marginally intelligent you can’t fuck it up. My paleo is -MY- paleo, the journey is individual, validation from peers is nice, but I don’t need it to be healthy. I’m paleo because I was Tired of being sick, Fat and unhealthy. I keep learning and applying paleo, it’s a lifestyle with more than Diet to offer. I did this for my four children, so that I will get to see their children.

~ I’m paleo because I accept my personal responsibility for my own life.

~ Because once you have experienced the joy of a nice big steak for breakfast, there’s no going back to a bowl of cereal.

~ I’m paleo because it’s the only diet that doesn’t leave me hungry all the time.

~ I am Paleo-ish because I got tired of people telling me that how I felt was “just getting older”. I looked at my grandmother, who lived in good health until the ripe old age of 99, and my great-aunt, who lived in good health until 95, and I called BS. If they could feel good, look good, and have boundless energy right up until weeks before their deaths, then, damn it, I wanted the same thing. So, I ignored everyone and kept looking. I found paleo via Nourishing Traditions (which made a lot of sense but didn’t work for me) and I was stunned at how quickly I felt better. From that I found Crossfit and have just gotten stronger and healthier at 48 than I’ve been in 15 years.

~ In ’02 i was dx with non-hodgkins lymphoma in my stomach. A bit of radiation, nothing to it. A clean PET in ’07 and ’09 and onc cut me loose. I got fat. 6′ 265. Double-bypass in ’06. Stumbled across Devaney, then Sisson, then here, then Peter, then Masterjohn. Easily shed 80 lbs. and read a lot about ketogenic diet, near-ketogenic diet and just did a lot armchair research into paleo in a concerted cancer direction.

Did you get the Fuck You! in all of that, because that’s certainly the theme, as it should be, Barbara. And there’s a lot more Fuck You! where that came from, and with over 100,000 readers per month you can be fucked almost endlessly.

There are about 135 stories, there, and I’m not 100% sure, but I’d bet a lot that not a one single one of them counted on anything the Barbara is peddling, or anyone else trying to prop up the #FAIL of status quo and conventional “wisdom.”

The main reason to consider the Barbara a moron is not really because of her post, but her ignorance, and willingness to spread her legs wide open so easily.

But the worst of it is her stupidity, or lying.

When I’ve interacted online with paleo-diet fans, though, I’ve found the great majority to be measured and thoughtful. With them, I worried aloud about the consequences of urging even more carnivory than we’ve already got.

Either she didn’t interact much, or she’s lying. That’s probably a better final judgment than having interacted a lot, and then written such an ignorant and stupid piece of crap.

Finally, I sure hope to hell that she didn’t consider any of my readers “measured & thoughtful.”

Update: Oh, my. Joyce Slaton at makes a silly ignorant fool of herself.


  1. Laurie D. on October 31, 2011 at 14:59


  2. Gina on October 31, 2011 at 18:16

    God didn’t make 7 billion people – Agriculture fucking made 7 billion people.

    More agriculture, more slums. We are living Soylent Green, only it isn’t made of people, it’s made from grains, and it’s keeping humanity down. Stand in line and wait patiently and in a civilized manner for your daily bowl of gruel, or stand with the ANIMALS and wave your beef bone. I feel like us Paleos are the apes revolting and taking over the planet. (Why, yes, I was raised in the 70s – why do you ask? Snrt!!!)

    • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 18:46

      Gina, while you went to a fundamental cause, you dis-integrated my post.

      It sttill requires fuckimg. :)

  3. Neal Matheson on November 1, 2011 at 01:22

    I was waiting for you to get to this article. Does anyone else find the rash of poorly written “anti-paleo” articles appearing in mainstream media a little……disconcerting? I was thinking this yesterday sitting in the doctors (with my daughter) reading a health magazine that talked about the benefits of vegetarianism, rawism and moderate exercise in at least 30 percent of the articles (meat or, heaven forbid, evolution didn’t get a look in).
    Anyhow she could make a case for vegetarianism before million years (WTF was that about) but she’d almost certainly be wrong. Both animals that evolved from proconsol eat at least some meat so it would seem odd if meat was not a part of all our ancestors diet. Bone cut marks can be traced back further than 2mya
    Never mind apes, most simians ingest some animal protein including plenty of active hunting (no scavenging though).
    What is this woman suggesting 7 billion humans eat?

  4. Elyse on October 31, 2011 at 15:01

    Wow. Gotta say I just started following you last night and I’m super impressed by your candor. There’s a lot of what you’ve said in here that mimics things that I’ve long believed but have told relatively few people. And I appreciate the challenge to my congruity of other political beliefs.

    Thanks for giving me thoughts to chew on :)

    And I’m primal/paleo because I’ve never felt better and because I AM an elitist. It’s still survival of the fittest out there, and I intend to be one of them for my future children and for myself.

    • Jake on October 31, 2011 at 15:34

      The elistist paleo emerges! RUN!!!!!

      Just joking. Welcome aboard. And yes, I love Free the Animal for the simple fact that Richard is willing to say what needs to be said. I don’t always agree, but the major points are there.

    • Richard Nikoley on November 1, 2011 at 18:38


      Happy to have you around. Thanks for the kind comments.

  5. Tony K on October 31, 2011 at 15:14

    Thanks for taking this up. I was going to comment on her stupid article to ask her why she had wasted her time publishing that crap, but circumstances overran my time last weekend.


  6. Carlos on October 31, 2011 at 15:32

    It’s not just this article, lately on the radio they’ve been running some sort of series discussing the “obesity epidemic”, but really–as far as I’ve been able to listen–not provide any new or even relevant wisdom. It’s all the same old CICO (Calories In, Calories Out). This morning they had a full segment, they even mention Leptin suggested the importance of hormones and their regulation, only to fall back to the tired lines of “limit your calories, exercise 60 minutes daily”, fight your gluttony, don’t be a sloth, yes losing weight is hard, even harder to keep it off, but keep telling yourself “you can do it!” and by-golly you’ll be successful then. Since everyone already “knows” this, I don’t get why they feel it bears repeating. How dare folks find radical approaches that actually do work, like you know, a 2 million year old fad diet and way of living. The crazy thing is that in this case I can’t even blame some faceless corporation for pushing this agenda, it’s the same NPR that had a good piece on evolution and how our ancestor’s diet made us the dominant species, last year or so.

  7. Jake on October 31, 2011 at 15:41

    What’s interesting about the whole thing is the collective stupidity of the “zoo human”. Of which I can’t associate myself with. There’s a shift here, people who care about how they live and breathe vs the humanity that’s willing to follow conventional wisdom.

    I’m wondering if there’ll ever be an advancement in our “cause”, though recent n=1 studies in recruiting people to eat different or do crossfit or do ANYTHING different makes me notice that people hate change. They are willing to do anything to stay away from being different. It just makes me want to go “baaaaa” and see if I get a response from the sheep.

  8. Timothy on October 31, 2011 at 15:41

    Thank you for taking your cudgel to this tripe. I couldn’t believe the ostentatious stupidity of this article when NPR published it. It’s like the author was trying to discredit herself.

    I also laughed at the notion that australopithecines had the more “genuine” paleo diet. I suppose that means photosynthesis is the most paleo diet of all.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 16:10


      We need to watch to Super Bowl together, I have plankton. And I’ll open the curtains to let some sunlight through.

      Sounds exciting, doesn’t it?

      • Skyler Tanner on October 31, 2011 at 17:34

        I’d like to hang with you all during the Super Bowl but after the winter I fear I might need to lose a few pounds. Might you have any sun…lite?

        I’ll be here all week, folks.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 17:39

        Your wife is invited,, because Bea & her can laugh about us.

        That’s all.

      • clarevh on November 1, 2011 at 08:38

        One of the funniest things I have ever read was your description of dinner at Animal with Skyler and your wives. I could soooo relate (with the wives ;)). I don’t use the acronym LOL lightly, because I rarely do, but that post made me laugh out loud. I still grin just thinking about it.
        Be *sure* to invite the wives!

  9. Leslie on October 31, 2011 at 16:37

    I know it sounds heartless to many people, but quite frankly if the population that thinks the government sanctioned diet is their deliverance, gets fat, sick and dies young, then paleo people will be selected for propagating the future. I can only hope. Not PC.

    • Tyler on October 31, 2011 at 18:28

      Fscking exactly. Natural selection at work, even today.

      • Aaron Curl on November 1, 2011 at 06:37

        Leslie, this does not seem heartless at all. I have said the same thing myself. Humans, though, try and keep the sick, old and alive as long as they can for their own selfish wants and needs.

      • Curmujeon on November 1, 2011 at 12:44

        @Leslie&Tyler Unfortunately,that’s not the way it works. They live long and well enough to reproduce. Modern medicine keeps them alive(not necessarily well) long enough to become a liability. Natural selection at its best kills them off before they can reproduce. Too many just accept the conventional wisdom(stupidity) and accept that they will get sick as they get older. I have believed since my younger days that something in the food was causing all the cncer and other sicknesses. I thought for awhile that it was the chemicals. I had started on slimfast to try and lose some weight when I connected with a copy of Dr. Cordain’s book a few weeks later. It made sense a lot of sense. I chucked the slimfast and was amazed at the changes after a few weeks of Paleo. I don’t understand how people can say this is not personally sustainable. Global sustainability is still being argued, but I believe it is compared with the big agro model. But it would take generations to make the changes and undo the industrialization of agriculture if that were allowed to happen. The giants of agriculture are not willing to go down without a fight. The dumb people can consume on the sugary subsistence rations that are sold by the food industry. I will try to eat the best that I can afford because I know it makes a big difference.

    • Marnee on November 1, 2011 at 14:17

      Unfortunately, the State Approved Diet Protocol does not prevent reproduction. The funny thing about evolution is that it doesn’t care if you are particularly healthy, only so that you can live long enough to reproduce again. Advanced modern-living especially facilitates this. Unless catastrophe hits, they could very well take over.

      See Idiocracy for an illustrative parallel (just sayin).

    • gallier2 on November 3, 2011 at 02:27

      Only problem with that is that SAD-ailments develope not fast enough to avoid reproduction. To the contrary, I don’t remember where I read it, but reduced longevity is compensated by faster breeding. So paleos risk of being outbread by SAD-eaters.

  10. Cindy Hanna on October 31, 2011 at 17:51

    Hey there,

    Just wanted to say that this post kicks ass. I posted a 3 parter on her bs blog (since it has a character limit)…but you summed it all up in two words (FU). I love how anyone can write a “scientific blog” without ever actually having to do any research on a subject. I wish I could get a cozy job like that…where I, too, could just sit on my (probably large in her case) vegan hemp milk soapbox and spew “science” to the masses.

  11. Geoff on October 31, 2011 at 18:43

    At least the whore provides a service. If nothing else, Barbara got the paleosphere talking – a service. But to turn your stomach, take a look at the pimp – the social parasite that lives on the back of the whore. Fuck NPR.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 18:55

      I’m gonna disagree with you, Geoff, living through the 90s and a good part the the 1st half of the 200s as a radio talk show and cable channel programm junkie (I know them all, every one), I quit, in about 2006 or ao,

      Never looked back, never missed, and if I do chance to hit a channel, I laugh at myself, that I could have ever listened to that crap.

      NPR. It’s totally different. It’s more leftie than right, to be sure, but it never slogans, bromides or sound bites you to death. – and they don’t have a redundant moron like Sean Hannity, who repeats the same thing ver and over.

      Actually, Michael Sacage, for all his faults, was always the most interesting. He loved to live well, he liked good food, and loved Cuban music.

      • Jake on October 31, 2011 at 23:57

        Love Michael Savage. Haven’t listened to him in years, but I remember him spending one whole afternoon talking about himself wearing leather pants. That man was a fucking original.

        I admit, I don’t listen to talk radio anymore. Between about 5 different podcasts and my radio broken, I have no need for worrying about it. I trust twitter, facebook and a random brush with google news to keep me up-to-date.

      • Avalanche on November 2, 2011 at 06:20

        As long as your looking to your premises and the fundamentals of … well… everything — maybe listen a lot more closely to Michael “Savage” (NOT his real name) and see where HIS loyalties lie! He’s no less a sell-out than any other radio/media personality. Cause if you don’t sell-out, you can’t get on air! Question the basis!

      • Avalanche on November 2, 2011 at 06:20

        (ouch.) “you’re” looking

    • Erika on October 31, 2011 at 19:21

      The “whore”?! Classy guy, this Geoff. Bet his last date with an actual woman was during the Ford Administration.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 19:38


        Knock it the fuck off.

        I was the one who used whore first. So how come you didnt latch onto that?

        Whore is metaphor and applies to men and women alike. Relax. Sorry it was your gender of the species who made it real. But it is real, and there’s simply no denying that it has been what it is throughout history.

        But don’t worry, us guys are generally regarded as rapists and maudauders, I’m not sure how you’d be able to switch your identity, but go for it if you can.

      • Erika on October 31, 2011 at 19:54

        I get that, Richard (though I highly doubt he meant ‘whore’ in the general way in which you first used it). But you’re seriously going to deny there isn’t a tone on this site that’s decidedly hostile to women? I take issue with her message the same as many others here, but what does Barbara King’s gender – or relative ‘attractiveness’ – have to do with anything??

      • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 21:39


        The last six years or so, living in lofts downtown (until a year ago), I’ve yet to see a female whore. A few male ones, though. Come to think of it, the most common prostitutes I saw whilst living in France were male transvestites.

        Maybe you need to get out and expand your human experience a little more.

      • Erika on October 31, 2011 at 22:07

        You didn’t address my question. I get that you defend your readers – but sticking up for the knuckle-draggers/misogynists among them just makes you look bad. You’re better than that. If all a person can do to counter someone’s message is call them a ‘broad’ and make fun of their appearance, then in my eyes they’ve already lost the argument.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 22:58


        I think you missunderstood. I wasn’t defending. In fact, I’d have to go back and look at the comment. I honestly don’t even recall what it was about.

        My reaction was simple: I didn’t want any reader to bear the brunt of what I started, whether the reader mistook it for something it wasn’t or not.

  12. Sigi on October 31, 2011 at 19:12

    “Our ancestors began to eat meat in large quantities around 2 million years ago, when the first Homo forms began regular use of stone tool technology. Before that, the diet of australopithecines and their relatives was overwhelmingly plant-based, judging from clues in teeth and bones. I could argue that the more genuine “paleo” diet was vegetarian.”

    Oh, good Lord! *Headdesk* (and repeat…)

    Nice take-apart, Richard. If only as many people would read yours as probably read hers.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 31, 2011 at 19:31

      Oh, no worries about that. Apart from the NPR piece, nobody knows who she is. Over time, my influence is far more important,

      Plus, I’m ravenous,,

  13. William on October 31, 2011 at 19:18

    This broad looks just like I expected; an Elizabeth Warren look-alike.
    Why are leftists so damn predictable? That was a rhetorical question, folks!

  14. turnupie on October 31, 2011 at 19:34

    she better what out for the revenge of the Cannibals this Halloween night.

  15. rob on November 1, 2011 at 05:01

    I did my part to save the planet by not reproducing … other than that, the planet is on its own.

    • damaged justice on November 1, 2011 at 09:24

      That is every bit as nonsensical and illogical as doing your part to save the planet by eating a plant-based diet.

      • Al on November 1, 2011 at 19:16


        If you have the time, I’d like to hear you think out loud as to why this is illogical.


      • damaged justice on November 2, 2011 at 06:37

        Short version: Because as Julian Simon said, people are the ultimate resource. And not in the slavery sense as tools to someone else’s end.

      • Al on November 2, 2011 at 18:17



        Now I’ll wait for the long version that includes YOUR thoughts on the issue.

        If you don’t have the time, I’ll understand.


  16. Shane on November 1, 2011 at 05:50

    It’s bullshit like this that keeps opening the window a little wider for me, in my research towards paleo. Your profanity filled rants produce much more logic than this women came close to displaying in her article. If grains really are the way to go, show me some studies with hard data on that.


    Yup. That’s what I fucking thought Barbara, maybe you should consider a career change (Biological Anthropologist) because you just threw your saving grace under the bus without any supporting evidence. I also don’t recommend marketing or sales for you, because your pitch was fucking weak.

    Long Live Paleo, Long Live ME. :D

    • Aaron Curl on November 2, 2011 at 09:28

      Hilarious…..funny shit Shane!

  17. Galina L on November 1, 2011 at 06:30

    It looks like a campaign against paleo. At the and of the week that popular clown Dr.Oz made the paleo-diet the theme of his show. It started all right – he put 3 females on a paleo-diet and place them in a actual zoo for couple days, they all got better and loose 4 lb – not bad for 2 days. Then the actual circus began – the invited dietitian said that her vegan bean-soy-veggies diet plan is the equivalent of paleo-diet in nutrition composition and a health-effect and MORE SUSTAINABLE. Dr. Oz received more than 200 angry comments from people who were upset because he misrepresented their diet. I placed mine too. Not all comments were printed. The one, where I advised others to look at the Oprah in order to see how well Dr.Oz ‘s recommendations work and reminded of his own precancerous polyp, was not published.

    • Dave, RN on November 1, 2011 at 10:37

      I’ll never get that whole “sustainable” argument. What’s more sustainable then the cirlce created by cows grazing, pooping out seeds, more plants growing for the cows to eat, making baby cows… Then there’s wheat and it’s destruction of the environment it’s planted in with the tilling and the fertilizers and the pesticides. Completly unsustainable with out mans intervention.
      Give me a 100 acres an heard of longhorns. They take care of themselves. You just got to chase them down and butcher them.

    • Curmujeon on November 1, 2011 at 12:53

      I thought it was the vegie diet dressed up and renamed “The Prehistoric Diet”. ++ for including raw, unprocessed fruits, vegetables and nuts. — for NO MEAT, damnit! —–f’in soy! legumes! ———-WHOLE GRAINS!!!. Not Paleo by any means. Crapstorm of 95% negative comments on the show on his website, by the way. Many other Primals/Paleos must have caught it and watched.

  18. ryan on November 1, 2011 at 10:28

    You create your own purpose for being here in this whole mess. Amen. Why is that so hard for the religious folk to comprehend?

  19. Robert on November 1, 2011 at 10:31

    She doesn’t like paleo because people are taking it upon themselves to eat and live this way. That’s what ices her. She believes that she and those of her ilk know what’s best for us and should be the ones to run our lives. Personal initiative and voluntary cooperation among individuals is anathema to her.

  20. Dave, RN on November 1, 2011 at 10:32

    Let’em bash paleo. I don’t care. If everyone did it, it might make grassfed beef and pastured eggs and raw milk harder to obtain. Of course, they’re trying to do that anyway by creating regulations that squeeze out small ranchers, not to mention just flat out making raw milk illegal.
    On the other hand if everyone wanted it, maybe they’d take all that plains land that used to sustain millions of buffalo and make it start sustaining millions of buffalo (or beef) again. But probably not.

  21. Gene on November 1, 2011 at 10:55

    My favorite comment on that article: “look how long people lived eating twigs nuts and bugs .i’ll take pizza ;-)”


  22. jandy on November 1, 2011 at 12:23
  23. labbygail on November 1, 2011 at 13:56

    To give her the benefit of the doubt…I don’t think she’s lying about having interacted with Paleo fans. When she says “with them,” it sounds like she’s saying she brought up her concerns about increased meat-eating, not that other people agreed. In fact, in the next paragraph, she says she found out that paleo doesn’t encourage eating factory-farmed meat, so her concerns were laid to rest. That’s how I read it.

    But the rest of it? I can’t believe she says there’s no medical science behind it. And she says “it’s not a monolith,” but then she attacks it as though it were a monolith. Sure, there was no ONE paleo diet. But all of the different paleo diets people have eaten around the world have more in common than she makes it sound. She makes it sound like the fallacy of paleo re-enactment means that no one should eat a paleo diet.

    • Sean on November 1, 2011 at 14:44

      In other words, given the benefit of the doubt she’s still an intellectually bereft hypocrite.

  24. Txomin on November 2, 2011 at 05:47

    You are funny, my friend. The closing phrase is a beauty:

    –> Finally, I sure hope to hell that she didn’t consider any of my readers “measured & thoughtful.” <–

    Anyway, I was hoping for criticism not dribble. The fact is that this woman's delusions are inconsequential to me.

  25. Aaron Curl on November 2, 2011 at 09:35

    Basically, what she is saying is she is a sucky anthropologist. Or a good one by most peoples standard. She obviously cherry picked her data to come up with no meat eating prior to 2 million years ago! This is the common practice in all sciences correct? Cherry pick the data then make your awesome made up discovery. And, she wants us to just be safe and eat the sad because of all the great data we have to back it up, I mean Ancel Keys knows his shit! Fucking sheep!

    • Sean on November 2, 2011 at 09:59

      There is at least one very non-sucky anthropologist I know of.

      • Sean on November 2, 2011 at 10:01

        Meh, screwed the link, John Hawks is what I’m talking about,

      • Richard Nikoley on November 2, 2011 at 11:39

        I was just clicking over to offer up John Hawks, then saw your next comment.

      • Sean on November 2, 2011 at 13:43

        Yeah he’s definitely one of the good guys.

  26. freeagent on November 2, 2011 at 09:37

    Rich, I’m paleo because after climbing back on the SAD wagon following a period of time during the death of my dear Father after a prolonged illness I am now back in good shape. I knew during these recent cloudy days exactly how to get back to health, it was one less worry.

    I was depressed drank too much beer, ate shitty food.

    My work doctor put me on gerd tablets and statins because I was overweight about thirty pounds. I was given a years supply because I was being sent away, the medication I stopped taking after about a week they are unopened. Over the last three months I chose to change what I have been eating, no sugars, no wheat, eating meat all kinds, veg you know; real food..

    The people I’m with are amazed at the weight loss but roll their eyes at my advice, so I say fuck em.

    “Sit there buddy, eating cerel’s for breaky, bread by the bucket load for lunch, washing it down with sodas while I eat bacon and eggs. Tell me one more time how you can’t fuckin loose a pound and how the doctor wants you to now try another drug. All the the while telling me how bad my arteries must be.

    I’ve lost eleven kilos with a few more to go and I will send a testimonial with pics and blood soon after april 2012. I’m paleo because it makes me feel good, at 42 I still have to physically keep up with men half that age and eating right is the only way it will happen. Richard guys like you Mark and Art were like Morphis to Neo in the Movie the Matrix no bullshit just the red or blue pill take it or leave it.

  27. freeagent on November 2, 2011 at 09:39

    blood’s as in test results Rich, that what I mean.

  28. Noah on November 2, 2011 at 12:06

    There seem to be some anti-Obama sheep on here (see William above) that think they have some kinship with with our dear blogger. But I would offer that a sheep is a sheep is a sheep.

  29. Steve on November 2, 2011 at 15:55

    The recommendation to eat grains because that is more sustainable is simply false. The row-cropping, petroleum-based grain production system will completely collapse in time, maybe soon. I live in Iowa. I would give us about 3o years before the soil is largely depleted. An alternative scheme: return most of the land to native prairie or some mix of native grasses and more commercially valuable plants that don’t require plowing (and thus soil erosion), and turn loose cattle, buffalo, and elk to graze. This isn’t a hippie dream, it is a necessity. The local climate is not suited to long term row-cropping. About half of the topsoil is gone, and it took thousands of years to first establish. The aquifers are depleting, especially in wheat states like Nebraska. Those took millions of years to fill. Our modern system of grain farming will end, whether we want it to or not. The only question is whether desertification or some other environmental calamity (remember the dust bowl?) will occur first.

  30. golooraam on November 2, 2011 at 16:04

    just cus someone is anti-Obama, doesn’t make em’ a sheep, in fact living in the SF bay area – quite the opposite

    • Noah on November 2, 2011 at 16:37

      Right. But using the fact that the author is a very unattractive, stereotypical looking liberal academic to discredit her position, no matter how boneheaded it is, does. And the implied relief that a Cain, or Romney, or some other clown’s rise to the thrown would signal, does.

      • Richard Nikoley on November 2, 2011 at 16:45


        Now you’re making all sorts of needless distinctions. They’re all fuckwad whores. Forget about them. Hell, I only engage it myself in order to write blog posts.

        Then I go wash my hands & face. Water only.

  31. Richard Jones on November 2, 2011 at 19:03

    Comments section is down, odd… :)

    • Richard Nikoley on November 2, 2011 at 19:55

      Comments section is down, Odd. :).

      It becaue I nefariously nit and pic and moderate, all, spending 24×7 to get exactly the right mix that seems to show up here.

      But make no mistake. I’m on it all the fucking time. Life’s work.


      • Richard Jones on November 3, 2011 at 06:13

        Whoa there, reign it in boss! :)

        I was talking about the linked articles’ comment section, not yours. Sheesh.

        I have no doubt you voraciously upkeep your blog. I thoroughly enjoy your blog, make no mistake, because of it.

        Have a good day. :)

      • Richard Nikoley on November 3, 2011 at 08:03

        Sorry about that, Richard.

        I’ll be the moron this time. It happens.

      • Richard Jones on November 3, 2011 at 08:10

        No prob. Im sure I just caught you at a passionate moment.

        Keep kickin ass Rich

  32. Emma on November 2, 2011 at 22:17

    “Individualize the gains and profits. Socialize the costs and losses.”

    Pretty much puts into words feelings I couldn’t articulate before. I understand why it’s important for those with privilege to help the less fortunate, but I also have never understood any actions to make this mandatory and obliterate selectivity or bias towards who to help. a) I choose whether or not I should actually feel guilty for anything. Don’t push your guilt onto me. b) If I do choose to help or “pay my dues” to try to make the world a more fair place, I find fault in paying into a system that blindly gives welfare checks to abusers, sloths, and leeches just because they happen to be poor or able to produce enough offspring to fool the system.

    Goes a bit off topic, sorry, but that quote just really stood out to me as being insightful and something that sparked a lot of thought.

  33. ChrissyV on November 3, 2011 at 08:32

    One of my fave foodie websites has posted up an article on why the paleo diet is just romanticized “wack” and mentions the NPR article. The comments are just coming in, if anyone is interested.

    • Richard Nikoley on November 3, 2011 at 10:03

      Thanks for the heads up on yet another stupid article.

      I’ve dropped a comment.

    • Rob on November 3, 2011 at 10:55

      Newsflash: Another blogger creates poorly thought-out paleo diet strawman, does a crappy job of knocking it down.
      These silly blog entries suffer from the exact phenomenon that they accuse the paleo dieters of: conjecture. There is no substance to the accusations. Just poorly rationalized beliefs that come down to something like, “Since humans lived in grasslands, they must have ate mostly grains there.” Never mind that grasslands are the perfect place for ruminants like bison and cattle. And what contains more easily obtained nutrition: A one ton bison or grains that needed heavy processing in order to be edible?

      • Aaron Curl on November 3, 2011 at 16:24

        And the argument that paleos wouldnt burn 50,000 calories a week picking fucking grain that would sustain them for 2 days. People need to think rationally before they write an anti paleo blog post.

  34. Richard Jones on November 3, 2011 at 10:07

    Articles like these, with ignorant critisisms, show me that Paleo/Primal/etc is gaining significant ground in popularity.

    The freedom of diverse expression space that the internet provides is finally catching on in opposing conventional ‘wisdom/knowledge’.

    MAYBE, just MAYBE, science will become science again through free expression and self experimentation pushing anecdotal evidence beyond small statistical anomoly(sp?)

  35. Richard Jones on November 3, 2011 at 10:13

    Wow spelling is an art I dont have I guess. Proofreading would help I guess.

  36. Tschafer on November 3, 2011 at 10:51

    For the last time, Barbie; people in the Third World are not, Not, NOT starving pecause people in the First World eat meat! How many times does this lie have to be shot down before it dies? Of course, I know the answer to that, the lie will never die – it serves to many people’s interests…

  37. dave on November 3, 2011 at 11:23


    or at least mostly according to her blog.

  38. Mark on November 6, 2011 at 18:00

    Rock on, brother.

  39. Trevor on November 7, 2011 at 12:28

    Fuck Me.

    Thanks for keeping it real Richard. One of the best blog posts and comments I read in a while. I read it all twice just to soak it in.

    Thanks for all you write and do. It is appreciated.

  40. Josh S on November 8, 2011 at 08:46

    I think we are in the “then they fight you” stage but these sort of articles are so pathetic it feels like the “then they mock you” stage…

    Paleo is a threat to vegan/vegetarian identity, that’s why they attack it so fiercely (but laughably). It used to be that whenever anyone thought about what the ideal in health is they thought “vegan” even though they knew it was crap. Then along comes folks who say that meat isn’t the root of all of society’s ills and who eliminate pretty much the same foods the “healthy” vegans do except for animal products and lo and behold have friggin’ AWESOME results with hardly any real effort.

    That, folks, is a real threat to these people and their place in society… look at the treatment Dr. Atkins recieved and still recieves. Same freakin’ thing

  41. Chris W. on November 9, 2011 at 08:29

    Her logic reminds me of an argument I had with someone recently who lamented the “unequal distribution of wealth in the world”. When I brought up that he could do something about it by giving away his money without forcing anyone else to take part he called my point ridiculous and insisted to stay grounded in reality.

    I firmly believe that I was put on this planet to make the best life that I possibly can for myself. Life is too short and I won’t let other weaker people put the guilt shackles on me, especially when I’m eating a diet that gets me stronger and healthier.

  42. mon blog paléo » la vertu peut-elle s’enseigner? on November 10, 2011 at 00:52

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  43. damir on November 14, 2011 at 06:27

    Excellent stuff!

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