Refining the Resistant Starch Story – Part 1 (Other non-RS Fibers)

A Tim “Tatertot” Steele and Dr. Grace Update, Part 1 of 3…

While researching for our upcoming best-seller, we’ve been spending a considerable amount of time looking at Resistant Starch and other fibers that act as food for gut microbes, and thought it was time for some RS updates (see this recent success story about using lots of fermentable fibers, not just RS). We asked a few regular commenters to help us vet some of these ideas. So thanks to GabKad, Marie, Gemma, and DuckDodgers for letting us bounce this off you, and for your patience as we piece it all together.

Commenter Gemma keeps dropping gems around here. Last week she linked this April 2014 study on the genetics of longevity. Included in the study are many of the ideas we’ve been discussing:

Indeed, the most comprehensive view is to consider the human being as a “metaorganism” resulting from the close relationship with symbiont microbial ecosystems. A particular attention has been recently devoted to the gut microbiome (GM). The GM probably represents the most adaptable genetic counterpart of the human metaorganisms, being extremely plastic in response to age-related physiological changes in diet and modification in lifestyle.

Nearly one year ago, in one of the first RS blogs, Richard and I wrote the following of Resistant Starch:

Unanswered Questions

  • What is the optimal dose?
  • What is the optimal source?
  • Will it make a difference in the grand scheme of things if implemented on a worldwide basis?
  • Is it contraindicated for anybody?


  • RS supports a healthy gut microbe population
  • RS exhibits undeniable effect on glucose control and satiety
  • RS in amounts of 20-50g /day are well tolerated
  • RS can come from many sources including real food

We’re closing in on most of the unanswered questions, thanks to all the readers and self-experimenters who’ve been playing along. We’ve also finessed a couple of the “absolutes.”

The studies that were dug up initially when we started spreading the word on RS used a combination of starches and fiber types to get the desired outcomes, which brings us to our updates that comprise the parts of this series:

  1. Other non-RS fibers
  2. RS2 and RS3 are not exactly the same
  3. RS3 contents in foods

Update 1 – Other Non-RS Fibers:

We’ve dug up treasure troves of information on past civilizations that ate copious amounts of resistant starch. RS was with humanity from its very beginnings and stayed with him as he migrated to all corners of the earth. RS in antiquity was eaten in the forms of RS1 (in seeds mainly), RS2 (raw resistant starches), and RS3 (cooked and cooled resistant starches). From evidence left behind in petrified poop (coprolites), it was obvious our ancestors ate lots of plant seeds. From the foods available to our earliest human ancestors and evidence left behind on their tools, teeth, and bones, it was clear they ate raw starches from underground sources (yams, tiger nuts, etc…) and seeds/grains for at least one million years. And once humans began cooking, they ate RS3 from cooked and cooled starches. Humans have been using controlled fire since big brains evolved. Archaeological evidence shows sustained use of fire and heat in Europe by Neanderthals nearly 400,000 years ago—both for unlocking energy in food, as well as sophisticated heating of tar to make arrows and other weapons. From 50,000 year old evidence left behind on their tools and teeth, Neanderthals consumed starch and likely roasted their tubers and roots.

RS sources are special feasts for our microbiota, but they were never available as an isolated fiber. Sedge tubers, rhizomes and bulbs of littoral plants, roots, wild carrots, and [easyazon_link asin=”B00FT9IZF4″ locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]tiger nuts[/easyazon_link] were likely consumed whole—fibrous skin and all—either raw or cooked. In nature, there seems to be a matrix of fermentable plant fibers all in one package. The highest concentrations being RS, which we consider a foundational fuel, for both its ubiquitous availability and exuberant effects on the microbiota:

  • Resistant Starch (RS) – the most common storage carbohydrate of plants. Found in tubers, roots, yams, green bananas, green plantains, legumes, lentils, peas, nuts, carrots, sedge nutlets, rice, maize, grains.
  • Oligosaccharides (inulin, FOS, GOS, XOS) – the second most common storage carbohydrate of plants (chicory, onion, leek, dandelion, endive, asparagus, green bananas, legumes, lentils, oats, rice bran, maize, grains, fermented grains).
  • Non-Starch Polysaccharides (NSP) – some are structural and some not

– [easyazon_link asin=”B001MKPFW0″ locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Arabinogalactan[/easyazon_link] 
– [easyazon_link asin=”B004YDEPXW” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Arabinoxylan[/easyazon_link]
– [easyazon_link asin=”B0016NIHQO” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]β-Glucan[/easyazon_link]
– [easyazon_link asin=”B001B4QWZG” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Pectin[/easyazon_link]
– [easyazon_link asin=”B000MGWI02″ locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Glucomannan[/easyazon_link] - in certain plant roots and wood, e.g., konjac
– Gums and mucilages
– Cellulose – structural fiber in all plants

When a real food item is eaten, it’s always accompanied by several of these other fiber types. Ancestrally, no society avoided or restricted any of the above fermentable substrates from whole, unrefined plants. [easyazon_link asin=”B004VLVCGU” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Potato starch[/easyazon_link] and other singly isolated fiber fractions as supplements have great value and merit. This isolated form of RS2 can be used for either maintenance or rehab of shattered or disrupted guts; however, a spectrum of fiber sources provides more sustenance to the diversity of gut bugs, their wide palates, and their hongry appetites.

There’ve been many success stories here at FTA and AnimalPharm (link removed) with RS, especially RS2 from raw potato starch, but don’t let that lull you into thinking that raw potato starch is the be-all and end-all to gut health. And don’t forget the soil-based probiotics—the very thing humans got regular replenishment of; essentially, as dirt on their food!

We’d like to advise everyone who’s consuming raw potato starch to consider the ancestral angle and add other fibers alongside it, as in Richard’s Smoothie Mix, or taking it before, during, or after a meal containing other starches and fibers. Also, maybe brush up on Richard’s RS-Based Dietary Guidelines he wrote back in December. And, if this is all new to you, take a look at The RS Primer for Newbies (soon to be incorporating the three parts of this series).

As we were putting this together, and wondering how readers would respond, commenter Wilbur remarked about his own experiment:

Every day, I take 3+ Tbsp of [easyazon_link asin=”B004VLVCGU” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Potato Starch[/easyazon_link], but also [easyazon_link asin=”B000ED7M2W” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Flaxseed[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B000MGSI1K” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Inulin[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B000GFHPC0″ locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]FOS[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B00B93GV6Y” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Baobab[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B002RHJK78″ locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Larch Arabinogalactan[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B00772ATEQ” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Beta Glucan[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B0013OSLWG” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Chitosan[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B004PTS1VC” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Amla[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B00GIYKK7A” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Yacon Root Powder[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B005F9W9JQ” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Glucomannan[/easyazon_link], [easyazon_link asin=”B0013OW2KS” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Psyllium[/easyazon_link] (I poo poo’ed this in the past, but reconsidered my stance), [easyazon_link asin=”B005HF068O” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Guar Gum[/easyazon_link], and a bunch I’d have to write down. Plus some I take occasionally, like [easyazon_link asin=”B0038B3AGO” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Wheat Grass[/easyazon_link] and [easyazon_link asin=”B001OHX1ZY” locale=”US” new_window=”default” nofollow=”default” tag=”fretheani-20″ add_to_cart=”default” cloaking=”default” localization=”default” popups=”default”]Hemp Seed Powder[/easyazon_link]. Every fiber I take has a story, and I favor the ones that seem most beneficial to me. But the goal is always to improve my gut.

That and I eat lots of veggies. As many as I can. Green stuff, beets, parsnips, green beans, and tons of green onions. At least 3 cloves of raw garlic per day. Beans, lentils, etc. I make barley risotto every Thursday to eat with a fresh fish shipment at the farmers market, and this lasts for several days. Lately I have been eating lots and lots of berries because they are showing up at the markets.

[Note: there’s nothing special about any of the brands linked, and they are not necessarily the brands Wilbur used.]

This may be taking it to a whole new extreme, but it helps illustrate our point: there are lots and lots of fiber types out there! Don’t limit yourself to RS alone, but do use it to your advantage. I have a feeling that if RS had been included in the initial assessments of Total Dietary Fiber over the past 30-40 years, we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

In the next installment, Grace will show you the main differences between RS2 and RS3 over on her AnimalPharm (link removed) blog, then we’ll mosey on back to here for Part 3, a primer on the RS3 contents in real food.

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  1. Jon McRae on June 3, 2014 at 11:40


    I have complety enjoyed this blog about RS and have been sharing all of the updates on FB to my friends, I also have been telling people about your blog to have them check it out. My bro is on the SBO and is already sleeping better, he works the night shift and had developed “third-shift” syndrome, but the SBO and RS have helped him out a lot.

  2. Marie K on June 3, 2014 at 12:37

    Richard and Tater:
    I’m new here, so forgive me if I transgress anywhere. I’m constantly amazed at the amount of information here. Thank you! I am one month away from being 70 yo, have been Paleo for 4+ years. I recently discovered Richard’s blog after he posted a comment on MDA, started reading about RS and added RS and SBO, safe starches, and have been following more PHD probably than strictly Paleo, although maybe with more safe starches and more RS. I’ve struggled with insomnia for 3+ years, had major surgery in there somewhere (valve replacement). It’s truly amazing how resilient the human body is……. Anyway, I’m now sleeping (amazing!) after starting RS and SBO probiotics, have Bristol 4 poops (I don’t ever remember having those, ever!!). I have tons of energy!, weight is normal, could possibly lose a few but I don’t really sweat it anymore. I go to the dentist once a year now with hygienists who are astounded at how little they have to do in my mouth (I oil pull but obviously diet and health contribute greatly to teeth health). I’m on one medication for hypothyroidism. Not bad for 70, huh? So, thank you, Richard, Tater, Grace and your other fantastic commenters! Can’t wait for your book release. But is there going to be a run on PS when it comes out? Yikes.

    • tatertot on June 3, 2014 at 14:00

      Marie K – Thanks! Impressive story. I think there are a lot of eating plans that can lead to great health…PHD, Mediterranean, etc… but when you add in the RS aspect and probiotics it really makes them work well.

      What amazes me is that we have been talking about RS for well over a year and haven’t run out of things to say.

      I think a big problem is that people get happy with their eating, or get in a rut, and their diets end up providing very limited fermentable materials to the gut bugs. The point of these three posts is to get everyone thinking about all the other fibers that act synergistically with RS.

    • Anja on June 4, 2014 at 11:04

      “I’m on one medication for hypothyroidism.”
      It seems like hypothyroidism is the one and only illness nobody can cure.
      @Tatertot: do you too still take the thyroxine medication? Would be interesting to see that even after one year with a super-healthy gut microbiome you can’t cure mild hypothyroidism. Thanks!

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 12:38

      Yep. still taking 75mcg Synthroid. Every time I tried to get off, TSH would slowly creep up. I’ve kind of just accepted it. I have a feeling that if I just quit, my TSH would maybe stabilize at just above upper range, around 6 or 7. But not ready to try as feet start getting cold around 5.

      I’m chalking it up to all the environmental exposures I was faced with in the military…vaccines, antibiotics, iodine treated water, pesticides, burn pit fumes…a buddy of mine just had his thyroid removed due to cancer. He had never had a checkup, was getting massively fat, I told him about my thyroid. He had very high TSH and a lovely cancer growing there.

      I suspect everyone gets exposures that can potentially harm thyroid. Nope, gut bugs can’t cure everything!

    • Anja on June 4, 2014 at 13:03

      Thank you very much for your answer!

    • Marie K on June 4, 2014 at 22:10

      Yes, thanks Tatertot, for your comments. I too have tried to wean off of thyroid meds but so far no such luck. :(

      Loving the food ideas here, btw.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 08:30

      ANJA have you tried any antifungal drugs like diflicane or vit store caplyric acid… these killer lower yeast. If you jump ship and read on yeast many with thyroid issues have yeast issues…

      We all focus so clear on bacteria but fungus/yeast also live here and are not checked you will see the american gut tests the bacteria RNA16 but theres also RNA18 for yeast but they want like 2000.00 to do this labs like great plans test 48 strains of yeast ,,no doctors office or hospital really looks here or GI docs

      what other symptoms do you have —many are related to yeast but people think its just common or everyday things and use over the counter things /drugs
      you can add in caplyric acid a 13 dollar supplement– if after a couple days you get a migraine from hell , or some rashes or female problems — your loaded with yeast –symptoms are die off or -it fighting to live..

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 08:40

      looking at this comment man I would like to see you try the caplyric acid and see if your number goes down!!!!! changing note …PSA test many males PSA goes up — docs say cancer they find it goes down from antifugals in many one is caplyric acid
      Listening to your feet comments as well… my feet were always cold.. my wife would say get away from me.. Once I did all the antifungals no more cold feet… you guys have worked so well on bacteria — try antifugals while your working on your bacteria

    • mark on June 11, 2014 at 20:23

      Wondering what is CAPLYRIC acid?
      cannot find it in google except where people appear to have mispelled Caprylic acid.

      will caprylic acid from coconut oil do the same thing as caplyrid acid?

    • RW on June 12, 2014 at 11:43

      Hi Eddie,

      Reading through your posts , was curious if I could trouble you for some advice. I have been struggling with health over past few years, became acute over past 6 months. I was low carb for a while but finished many a day with scotch and bourbon. I think yeast could be a problem for me and be inhibiting my current health/diet efforts. I am eating a blended diet on most days because of difficulty swallowing after a certain volume of food is consumed. It consists of liver, Avocado, coconut flakes, cocao nibs, amazing grass powder, Coconut milk (the carton kind, no sugar), low sugar yogurt (Russian and Bulgarian variety, less than 10 grams of sugar a cup). I also take Magnesium, vitamin D, k2. I am taking soil based probiotics daily along with potato starch and plantain starch. It is really hard for me to get a lot down as the day progresses, have noticed better movements as I added probiotics and RS. Is there something you would add to my concoction or regimen to get rid of yeast? Looking for something simple to begin with. Very grateful for any thoughts.

    • Duck Dodgers on June 12, 2014 at 17:23

      Caprylic acid is an extremely weak anti-fungal. Anyone with a fungal infection would be better off taking olive oil.

      The studies that show caprylic acid’s antifungal properties were done in a petri dish. Once absorbed, caprylic acid is no longer an anti-fungal — it is quickly metabolized to produce energy. Furthermore, those metabolites (ketone bodies) can fuel ketone-adapted candida/yeasts.

      The best acids to disable yeasts/candida are the ones produced by your own flora.

    • Duck Dodgers on June 12, 2014 at 17:33


      I overcame the majority of a pretty severe candida/yeast infection in the span of about 6 weeks. I used a biofilm disruptor, resistant starch and followed the Perfect Health Diet (PHD).

      Interestingly, the PHD was initially created to cure VLC-induced candida — and it just so happens to recommend a large volume of foods that happen to contain resistant starch.

      I highly recommend following the anti-candida protocol and advice outlined in the following post:

      How to eliminate Candida & biofilms

      Coincidentally, the author of that post wrote his protocol after my own recovery, but he too was also able to overcome a severe candida infection in just a few weeks time using a very similar approach.

      Good luck to you.

    • Rosana on May 19, 2015 at 15:44

      Geese! Remove the metals! Get off synthetics! NP by Acella is what I’m taking now. Been taking almost always natural since January 1977. Been taking insulin since January 1960. Reason being born breech, mother given Tetracycline via C section, greedy Michigan dentist filled decent molars with mercury amalgam, childhood vaccinations, unbelievable stressful childhood, was not taking Vitamin C during coldest month,…-hey-our bodies do not make Vitamin C ( for great info,…

  3. Mark. on June 3, 2014 at 14:20

    I never was very worried about guar gum in e. g. canned coconut milk, and now I’m just going to think of it as food for gut bacteria. Huzzah.

  4. Ron on June 3, 2014 at 17:01

    Tater – What quantity of guar gum are we talking about? Could that be added to a smoothie, along with RS? If so, about a tbsp or less? A couple days/week?

    • tatertot on June 3, 2014 at 18:13

      Ron – be really careful with guar gum! It is like plaster of paris. Sets up hard and fast, can cause choking. I use about 1/8 tsp when we make homemade icecream. I wouldn’t use much more than that in a smoothie. Play with it in a glass of water and you’ll see what I mean! Glucomannan is the same way, but I think you can use a bit more.

      The point here is to look at real fiber in real food. I have no idea where guar gum comes from. Okra, kelp, flax seed, fenugreek, chinese yam, and all the cactus’ have gums/mucilages in them.

    • gabkad on June 3, 2014 at 19:14

      Tater, guar gum comes from guar beans. They are small flat pods with a bit of curve to them available in Asian grocery stores.

    • victor on June 4, 2014 at 10:59

      According to Jason and Mira Calton(Rich Foods Poor Foods) guar gum “significantly reduces the absorption of carotenoids- lycopene, and lutein”. Have you(tatertot) seen of any problems with guar gum realizing it’s probably not a big enough part of anyone’s diet anyways?

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 11:38

      I haven’t seen much on guar gum at all. This from 2012: So it does seem to be healthful to a certain extent, but I’d have a hard time recommending anyone pig out on the stuff. Probably not a bad addition to a smoothie, in a small amount.

      Guar beans sound interesting. I’ll have to look for some, but may require some thought as to what to do with it.

      From Wikipedia;
      Guar leaves can be used like spinach and the pods are prepared like salad or vegetables.[4] Its beans are very nutritious but the guar protein is not usable by humans unless toasted to destroy the trypsin inhibitor.

      As mentioned in the biology part of this entry, the seeds of the guar bean contain a very big endosperm. This endosperm consists of a very big polysaccharide of galactose and mannose. This polymer is water soluble and exhibits a viscosifying effect in water.

  5. Brian on June 3, 2014 at 19:21

    Wilbur’s concoction blew me away. Ain’t know way I can take all of that but I do take PS about 3x week after doing it daily for a few months and it’s effectiveness seemed to wane so a new RS recipe that I can easily mix in water (I travel a lot) and has other valuable strains would be sweet. How about it? Tater – ready to drop version 2.0 on us? I’m game!

    • Ellen Ussery on June 4, 2014 at 09:28

      Eaten raw? Straight up?

    • tatertot on June 3, 2014 at 19:54

      Traveling is the worst for eating, I know. I honestly haven’t given much thought to a full-time fiber replacement mix. Shouldn’t be too hard to do, though. Grab a bunch of green bananas, have one for breakfast…there’s half your daily fiber needs right there!

      My only real warning would be to not get scared into needing a certain fiber amount that you start gobbling down fiber-fortified bars and drinks. Most are crap. Metamucil is all psyllium, Benefiber is all wheat dextrin. There may be a good one, but I don’t know which.

    • Ellen Ussery on June 4, 2014 at 10:59

      Tiger nuts and dried plantain chips travel well. Have a few for dessert with two or three meals each day while away from home.

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 06:07

      Dandelion greens are great for traveling. They are. Good source for inulin, won’t make you smelly, and can keep for a while, especially if you have a refrigerator at a hotel. IIRC, 100g provides around 12 g of inulin, plus other good stuff.

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 11:31

      Yes, raw. Looked it up, and it seems that raw dandelion greens are 13.5 g per 100 g, while cooked are 9.1. Dried raw onions and dried raw garlic are really high too. I’ve seen raw dried onion snacks in health stores.

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 11:42

      I picked a massive bowl full of dandelion leaves from my yard the other day. They hardly made my kitchen scale budge. I think it would take a whole sackful to weigh 100g, but they are absolutely delicious.

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 11:51

      I can’t do that around here because of all the chemicals people put on their yards. A new thing around here is a mosquito spraying company that carpet bombs yards. Insane.

      I buy my at whole foods. Big giant leaves with lots of fiber. Too many give me diarrhea, but I’ve measured and 50 g of leaves is good. I’ve had four servings so far and that’s not half of what I bought. Approximately 7 g per serving, which is not bad since I can eat three servings per day. I cut back on the inulin in my drink to compensate.

    • victor on June 4, 2014 at 12:23

      I’ve notice sparrows in my backyard feasting on dandelion greens before I herd much about their nutrition. Makes sense now.

  6. tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 10:04

    Newbie – You are looking into a deep and twisted rabbit hole! The world of ‘fiber’ has been corrupted by the food industry, I think in an attempt to create foods more appealing to the consumer ‘more fiber!’ but really just more tasty, satisfying, longer shelf-life, and cheaper to produce.

    Inulin, for instance, gives a ‘mouth feel’ of fat without the fat calories. FOS, which in nature, is bound to inulin, can be separated from inulin and tastes sweet. Similar stories for resistant dextrins and a multitude of other creations of the food industry. They add it in tiny bits to a food, for their benefit, and make it seem like it is now a healthier food for you.

    Not all dietary carbohydrates are prebiotics. Conventional fibers, like pectins, cellulose, etc. may not be selectively metabolized by gut bacteria, but are important none-the-less in the big picture.

    The way we have them listed is, I believe, scientifically correct, and just shown for clarification. The two ‘biggies’ in nature, and we believe the way they should be consumed are RS and OS, with the other NSP fibers filling in gaps in smaller amounts.

    The food industry does it completely backwards, using things like cellulose derived from cotton or wood to act as fillers and food extenders with a ‘high in fiber’ label.

    Hope that makes sense! Here is some reading on the subject of fiber from food industry POV if you are interested:

  7. Energy! on June 4, 2014 at 02:55

    I made a morning mix that is porridge-like with approximate amounts of 1 T mung bean starch, 1 teaspoon psyllium husks, 1/2 T gelatin powder, dash of salt, cinnamon, 1 T unsweetened shredded coconut, 1/2 packet Sweetleaf stevia. Mix dry ingredients, stir in 1/3 cup water and/or kefir. Add frozen green banana and/or plantain slices. Sprinkle cacao nibs and rest of stevia packet on top. Let sit a few minutes to allow bananas to partially thaw.

    I mix up a week’s worth at a time which is very convenient. You can play around with adding other RS types and fibers. Note: Gelatin isn’t a fiber but is a good collagen source. I use the Great Lakes brand with the green label that easily dissolves in water, but just leave it out if you don’t have any.

    • Richard Nikoley on June 4, 2014 at 07:19


      Be aware that by mixing it up way ahead like that, bacteria in the kefir might be consuming the RS.

      One way to test this would be to mix just RS with some kefir, cap it, put it in the fridge and see if you get fermentation.

    • Energy! on June 4, 2014 at 09:52

      Oops…to clarify, I’m only mixing the dry ingredients ahead of time. The water/kefir is added shortly before consuming. :)

      I’m taking two baggies-full on our vacation, one with the morning mix and one with the pm mix. (Night mix is currently potato starch + gelatin.)

    • Energy! on June 4, 2014 at 09:54

      IOW, the day’s serving of dry mix goes in a bowl, then the liquid is added. This is why it’s tough to write cookbooks!

    • kati on June 4, 2014 at 22:47

      I don’t know if this has been asked, but are Asian tapioca sticks, mung bean starch glass noodles and rice sticks good sources of RS? I notice with the mung bean starch glass noodles in particular I have a very hard time finishing a package defined serving without feeling like I’m going to bust a gut.

    • tatertot on June 5, 2014 at 09:13

      The mung bean glass noodles are really great for RS, rice noodles have much lower levels.

      Glucomannan/Konjac noodles are also great…not RS, but similar.

    • Energy! on June 6, 2014 at 05:23

      The konjac noodles are called shiritaki noodles, are packaged in water, and are located in the refrigerated case in our local Asian grocery. It may say “yam noodles” which is fine, just don’t get the tofu shiritaki noodles. Our store also has konnyaku which is made from konjac…it is also called “yam cake.” It’s a slab of white or gray stuff that you cut into strips or chunks. These konjac products smell a little fishy out of the package so you can boil them for 3 minutes to reduce the smell if it’s an issue. Then I cut off a portion then put the rest in water in a container in the fridge.

      Konjac comes in other forms, too, but I haven’t seen them yet.

  8. Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 04:02

    This is a great post and has lots of useful information. I believe in spreading out the fiber content as much as possible.

    One thing I’d encourage others to do is to look up studies involving the types of fibers you/we mention. First, this is useful because everyone comes with their own problems and family history of problems. My family had heart disease, so I read the studies with that in view. IMO, and others may disagree, is that research on RS indicates it does not do much for improving lipids, at least short term. Many of the others I take do.

    I was reading pubmed studies about inulin yesterday. For me, that is the most important fiber I take. One study indicates most people only get 2.5 g/day. The study then dismissed any need to study whether there is a maximum safe dosage, saying that it is clear from history that the human body has historically tolerated much larger amounts.

    I think fiber should be personalized and diversified. Pubmed is a great place to learn about personalization.

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 06:01

      Here is a link to a review of my latest interest

      The authors have done several studies on l reuteri, which seems to be the main probiotic they consider. It’s where I got the “luxurious hair” phrase. I do think my hair is significantly less gray, but I think my wife will laugh if I ask her.

      One study noted increased testosterone production and correspond increase in the size of male attachments.

    • victor on June 4, 2014 at 14:25

      Wilber, something tells me your gonna be in front of the line when Darwin does his natural selecting. Good job and a great information source for all!

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 14:56

      Wilbur I would love to compare some stuff….I read the whole thing richard wrote about your weight etc… I ve had many of the same things happen to me…
      Im 5’9 was 185 now 155 i dont count what I eat , eat tons of green stuff veggies meats chicken tonds of GOOD fats etc ….my health changed 360 i had crohns and ulcer colitis , digestion great now , use to sleep bad, some migraines etc all nasal drip is gone….no seasonal allergies or snoring hard …I FACTOR INULIN for all this and thicker gut barrier man I would love to see if your bacterium, Akkermansia muciniphila, is high if you did american gut now …My case is like your somewhat Im loosing all my docs — for me lower yeast , raise gut barrier bacteria –from inulin and raise good bacteria.. (I use renew life 50 billion one or two times daily

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 15:30

      Congrats on all of your male improvements Wilbur~!!! Love your story!

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts at Mr Heisenbug and here so generously. I love inulin too — the oligosaccharides are certainly overlooked for gut health. I’ve quietly updated a few times my ‘bionic fiber’ to now include inulin (and GBF, green banana flour).

      Step #4.
      VERSION A: Green banana flour 1-2 Tbs + Inulin 1-2 Tbs + high ORAC green powder in 2 cups water
      VERSION B: Raw PS (potato starch) 1-3 Tbs + Psyllium (if not allergic) 1 Tbs + high ORAC green powder (I like Amazing Grass, LOL) in 2 cups plenty of water

      Tim Steele’s guest post

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 15:33


      Have you heard of HeartLifeTalk?

      My friends at a previous cardiac forum started this one and its overrun with brilliant and enlightened individuals like you. Aerobic1 (just left a comment at animal pharm) is one of the moderators. They’re starting to get into gut health lately lol. It runs the gamut from cardiac calcium scoring, nutrigenomics (MTHFR, COMT, apoE4, etc), diet, HeartWave, etc.

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 17:46

      I think we are both in the same boat – we did research and used it to tailor our fiber strategies for our particular illnesses/needs. You are pointing me to stuff I haven’t seen, so thank you. I have no plans to get my gut sequenced. It seems that so much is in the early stages, and no one really knows what’s going on. But the study you linked has some interesting info, and now has me curious.

      I love the onions. I ate 4 large spring onions tonight with a large amount of English peas I shucked. Grouper cooked in ghee, with a grilled soft-shelled crab as an appetizer. Finished off with a small scoop of gelato. Good stuff!

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 17:57

      WILBUR! You have no idea how timely your comments are! if you weren’t here, i’d have made you up.

      You sir, are doing it right!

      Ever eat nettles? They go great with grouper.

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 18:21

      I love nettles! I haven’t seen them at the markets yet this year. Soon I hope.

      A huge favorite is green chickpeas. A huge pain to shell, but the payoff is worth it.

    • KAWAM on June 4, 2014 at 20:04

      Wilbur, where do you get L. reuteri — I’ve checked ALL my probiotics — The Holy 3 Richard recommends, my kefir, two varieties of milk-only yoghurt — nada. Is there a supplement or will I have to acquire (for my wee-but-healthy back yard) a special cow/goat/sheep to for my own production?

    • Bo on June 5, 2014 at 01:23

      Was great reading your story. I was recently diagnosed with Crohn’s (though I’m still not sure that’s what I have since the results weren’t 100% conclusive). I was curious as to how you lowered your yeast, as that seems to be the first step in solving something like this, or am I mistaken? I’m in the process of getting everything tested (gut flora, vitamin/mineral levels, parasites, viruses, fungi/yeast, inflammatory markers, intolerances, intestinal permeability etc) but it would be great to hear from someone who has been through this to get some pointers. Many thanks.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 09:03

      BO Im here for you!!!!
      …I went to hell and back, I also have a large Italian family and traced it to this side everyone had type 2 diabetes or stomach issues. but anyway
      Tell me what places are doing your tests first and what tests you have had done or are getting done..( the problem is CASH if you really want to track it down) insurance doesnt pay for many of the tests that are advanced!!!! Fill me in I will tell you the whole process of what I did which may work for you.. the MAIN key is for you to find what antibodies you have HIGH(gastro wise) and food wise–first!!!! if your eating things that trash the immune system which youll never know at an allergy office…you get no where as it needs to heal!!!!!! your doc will be a loser is this area. learning these… from standard tests docs use and then tests they have no clue about you can combine everything and make your treatment we are all different , but from what I found you can modify it to work for you.. If you use the meds alone— in the long run you will be a mess and crying like all the people on those forums for IBS , CROHNS and colitis swapping drug stories. I say this as ive seen family members slowly die off over the years ..these drugs turn off the immune system youll slowly stack up more drugs for added problems.. they key fixing your bacteria and lowering your yeast!!!!! tell me what tests you have had blood blood wise GLUTEN??? , HLA DISEASE ASSOCIATION,,,, IBD panel , or IBD EXPANDED PANEL….are you in the USA Id be happy to email you as well

  9. newbie on June 4, 2014 at 04:31

    Just to clarify, this post reviews carbohydrates which are not digested by human enzymes and are therefore substrates for bacterial fermentation. RS is on such chemical structure. Why do you separate oligosaccharides from NSP? OSs are, in effect a nonstarch chemical structure. Is there a functional reason to categorize differently from other NSPs?

    • Gemma on June 5, 2014 at 04:59


      People like to group and order everything into individual elements and create nomenclature, so that these individual elements can be discussed, studied, described and researched on. There is research available on these different sorts of fibre (both their content in foods and the role in the digestion), so sticking to the established terminology surely helps the dear reader comfortably follow or buy each of them if the terminology is kept.
      From the birds point of view, we might as well as call our beloved polysacharides by a better word: hydrocolloids. To hell with fibre.

      Polysaccharide Structure

      Hydrocolloids and gums

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 15:47

      Dietary OS (legumes, vegs, dairy) and inulin are glycans which are analogous to the ones we secrete, which is why they’re so immunologically powerful and feeds the specific microbiota that are particularly benefical for immunity (not the ones pumping out butyrate)
      –breastmilk HMOs
      –sialylated and fucosylated oligos secreted on mucosa membranes, intestinal linings and all bodily fluids

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 19:52

      Sorry — inulin is a fructan. Oligos can be either glycan or fructan etc depending if it’s glucose or fructose strung together.

      Fiber and RS are cleaved to OS by-products but it’s hard to find a number on that and presuming the pre-existing gut isn’t missing the microbiota to do so. For instance, AX (arabinoxylan) in seeds and in the bran of grains is cleaved to bits of AXOS which has similiar properties as inulin, GOS and FOS and feeds bifido and lacto very well.

    • newbie on June 5, 2014 at 04:37

      Hi Grace and Tatertot,
      I think you misunderstood the gist of of my question. I am not quibbling about the classification of polysaccharides, and how may fructose units does it take to turn a FOS into inulin.
      I am asking: if a polysaccharides is not a starch (ie made up of amylose and amylopectin subunits), then it is NSP, and is there any reason to separate OSs (which are NSPs) from the other NSPs? Is there a gut health related reason?
      Thanks for your clarification efforts.

    • tatertot on June 5, 2014 at 09:25

      Gemma – Yes, thanks. It drives me so carzy when all people can talk about is soluble and insoluble fiber. There is so much more than that, but when you start digging, you find that the world of ‘fiber’ is so big nobody really has a good handle on it.

      FOS for example. Fructo-oligosaccharides, also called oligofructans. I think the real confusion started when food scientists started separating all the fibers to make food additives. When you buy an inulin supplement, a lot of time it’s called Inulin (FOS)…that’s not inulin. It’s FOS that was mechanically separated from inulin in a chicory root factory.

      We are trying to clarify that taking straight potato starch on an otherwise low fiber diet is not the best approach. BUT, the ‘fiber industry’ has for years only been selling isolated fiber fractions and calling them ‘prebiotics’, and in doses so low they don’t do anything. I think we have a chance to turn that all around here.

      Early, early on in this I knew that one day we would have to shift the talk to ‘fiber’ and prebiotics. The more I learned about fiber the less I wanted to talk because I could see there was so much mis-information and confusion.

      Hopefully some day there will be a really good supplement that incorporates all these different fibers for a truly synergistic reaction in the gut. Until then just consider eating wide range of the high fiber foods and supplementing with an isolated RS or fiber fraction when absolutely necessary or to bridge the gap on days you get stuck eating low fiber.

    • tatertot on June 5, 2014 at 09:27

      newbie – I didn’t think you were quibbling. But as you now see, it’s not as simple as OS and FOS.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 10:56

      felt like I had to drop this in………..for those wondering , my little notes in my black book i used to fix my gut

      Insoluble Fiber and Soluble Fiber
      Another way to look at fiber is how easily it devolves in water. Soluble fiber is found in oats, citrus fruits, apples, barley, psyllium, flax seeds and beans. Soluble fiber dissolves in water, which helps soften stools, making them easier to eliminate from the body. Soluble fibers called beta-glucan bind to the bile acids that contain cholesterol. So eating a diet high in this type of soluble fiber has been shown to reduce cholesterol. Insoluble fiber is found in whole grains, nuts, wheat bran and vegetables. This type of fiber does not dissolve in water so it helps move material through the colon faster by increasing the bulk of the stool. This can be helpful to people who suffer from constipation or irregularity. Diets high in insoluble fiber may also decrease the risk of diabetes.
      Fiber is made up of some combination of cellulose, hemicellulose, lignin, pectin, chitin, gums, beta-glucan, and resistant starches.
      Cellulose and Hemicellulose
      Cellulose is an insoluble dietary fiber and may also be used as a functional fiber. Celluloses are long straight chains of glucose molecules and are found as the main component in cell walls of plants. The bacteria in your intestinal tract cannot ferment cellulose well either, so the main function of cellulose is to increase stool bulk and decrease the time it takes for fecal material to pass through the colon. Foods that contain large amounts of cellulose include bran, legumes, nuts, peas, roots, cabbage and apple skins.
      Hemicellulose is found in bran, nuts, legumes and whole grains. This form of fiber is also found in the cell walls of plants, however hemicellulose may be made of several types of sugar. Rather than just long straight chains like cellulose, hemicellulose may have side chains and branches. Because of these variations, some hemicelluloses are soluble in water and some are insoluble, plus some forms are fermented by bacteria while others are not.
      Lignin is a type of fiber with lots of branches of chemicals called phenols rather than sugar molecules. Phenols are currently being studied for a variety of health-related effects including antioxidant actions. Lignin is insoluble in water and indigestible by the friendly bacteria. Food sources include root vegetables, wheat and within berries’ seeds.If you have ever made jams or jellies at home, you have probably used pectin to help your fruit gel. Pectin is another type of fiber found in the cell walls of plants that is soluble in water. But it doesn’t make a good stool-bulking agent because it is a favorite fiber for the friendly bacteria in your gut to ferment so that very little passes through the colon. Pectin is found in apples, legumes, nuts and citrus fruits.
      Chitin is similar to cellulose because it is insoluble in water and made up of glucose chains, but it also has amino acids attached. Chitin is interesting because this fiber is found not only in plants but also in the exoskeletons of insects and in the shells of crustaceans.
      Gums are soluble in water and plants secrete gum when they are damaged. A variety of types of sugars are found in the structures of gums. They are used in food manufacturing as thickening and gelling agents. Examples of gums include guar gum, carob gum, gum Arabic and xanthan gum.
      Beta-glucan is a water-soluble dietary fiber found in oats and barley and it is often used as a functional fiber and added to foods. Beta-glucans have been shown to reduce cholesterol levels and help control blood-sugar levels.
      Resistant Starches
      Resistant starch is really starch, but is considered to be a fiber because amylase, the enzyme that breaks starch into individual glucose units, doesn’t work on this type of starch. Resistant starch can occur naturally as starch trapped in cell walls of plants or may be formed during cooking or food processing.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 12:11

      Grace ,
      I eat tons of inulin from onions daily and asparagus multiple times weekly –and have garlic almost daily… As time has gone on testing two times in 2 years with great plains lab my Lacto is almost non existent but my bifido has climbed… I eat a limited diet for my testing ,I know the gut barrier bacteria akkermansia eats it. i dont do grains but do eat almonds and walnuts .. I started reading some of your suff… I dont do RS really but fiber from many low starch sources…. yet my crohns and coltits have left… for me the fight has been yeast deep in the lining and akkermansia bacteria they both live there from what i read– im done the alot in testing I have pretty much no yeast… so soon I may add in the RS… my health is great. For those with problems I think the RS is eaten by yeast before lacto — as I eat no RS really my lacto dropped

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 18:43

      All plant fiber is poly or oligo.

      And the gut and soil microbes have the full spectrum of ‘cutters’ (weed whackers — xylanases, mannanases, pullananses, beta- alpha-amylases, etc) to utilize all of them. Some oligos from onions and legumes are particularly branched. The branching feeds certain beneficial flora and a little more bionic than other plant fibers. They are also more resistant to frosts, freezing and other environmental pressures that would kill them. Sugar is great — it evolved during the ice ages (thank you ice ages). It can travel all around a plant since it is so small (di-saccharide) to provide food or protection.

      OSs that are resistant to enzymatic degradation are usuallyglycosidic bonds, like many of the NSPs, however they are small (3-9 units)… that’s the only designation that I’m aware of. Maybe it was rigid nomenclature from long away why this has stuck. Certainly many of the health benefits of pectin and galactomannan and glucomannan are due to the OSs that form after breaking these down by gut microbes (or commercial Aspergillus or B subtilis enzyme reactions).

      Mannan-OS rock. Have you read about them? Glucomannan swells and acts like a gastric bypass LOL, then the mannanOS (if the right gut bugs exist) confer many gut healing benefits and increased beneficial gut flora, just like inulin/FOS and GOS.

    • Johnkirin on June 6, 2014 at 09:47

      Grace, are you saying that we should be taking inulin itself instead of, or in addition to, inulin FOS?

      Is the Jarrow Formulas Inulin FOS Richard links to what we need? If we should be taking something different, or something additional, what would that be and where can we get it?

  10. Kathy on June 4, 2014 at 10:57

    I have a question and don’t really know a good place to pose it. So here goes….

    Re: tapioca (manioc) flour

    I have several packages of chebe bread mix that I got way back when I was just trying gluten-free products. Ingredients are:
    Manioc(tapioca) flour, modified manioc starch (100% manioc), iodine-free sea salt, cream of tartar, sodium bicarbonate. 21g of dry mix has 17g carbohydrate and a bit of sodium, nothing else, no fiber. I’m only looking at this as a RS. I have plenty of sources for other starches. So would this be a decent addition to my PS routine – just to use it up? I don’t like throwing “food” out, but I do have a compost pile. :)

    Thanks. You guys rock, btw!

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 11:24

      No idea. My initial reaction is that it’s a poor source of RS, but there is no comprehensive database. Manioc root is supposedly high in RS, but the processing of it into flour seems to have varied effects on RS content.

      My advice–use it up. Serve toasted and covered with beans.

    • Kathy on June 4, 2014 at 14:29

      Thanks for your thoughts on this stuff.. The “bread” that it makes is not that great. I think I’ll give the compost bugs a treat.

  11. eddie on June 4, 2014 at 10:58

    hello Richard… I really find this post interesting..
    You have seen me post and ask some questions etc , I my self dont take any starch , I had bad crohns and ulcer colitis 2 years ago… I cut out all starches , sugars – milk, grains, fruits ,soy… Over this period, I DID nothing what docs -GI etc told me to do..I didnt do there meds etc to mask or turn off the immune system.. Now I find wilburs post interesting!!!! many things I took were things to kill lower yeast in the body..when yeast is high it eats starches/sugars.. Yeast Lowers the PH and which kills good bacteria or suppresses them from taking hold ( from my results on me) High yeast low PH keeps good bacteria low.. i found I could take as much probiotics as i wanted the starch it didnt help…why I think the small amount of people with gut problems fail…and the regular people…non problemers (crohns colitis etc) get such success!!!!! Why im getting to all this , I ate fats, low starch veggies tons , fish meats chicken eggs etc…BUT tons of things ( on Wiburs list) nuts that yeast dont eat walnuts almonds , pumpkin seeds, I EAT TONS and TONS of inulin -asparagus , leeks ,onions and garlic…I eat any of these EVERY day. Now in testing I have NO disease and LOST all docs(some johns hopkins trained) I have HIGH bacteria akkermansia which is a gut barrier bacteria…the yeast live deep in this area of the gut lining so do YEAST/fungus. …and my guess these two fight for control… ( Hundreds of years ago im sure peoples yeast levels were lower) AKA the starch worked wonders–we ate NO sugar..( my thoughts are ones like my self of the past–have screwed guts from eating to much sugar(feeds yeast in a bad way), using NSAIDS( removes the gut barrier) taking to many antibiotics kills the gut barrier bacteria and all the friendly bacteria that eat RS….Then when your a mess add in gluten which also wears down the gut barrier your left with a soup of low gut bacteria, and yeast and your DOOMED. In the two years of all my advanced testing I documented stool, bacteria levels, yeast, antibody levels -my food allergies went away,,,sinus headaches nasal drip .. etc .. zero gut problems(cleared) …good stools ..advanced testing shows this all disease markers SUPER LOW for gut and stool markers… ************ I think Richard is on to something here with the RS , BUT **** the key ***I think if you drop lower yeast–which is almost impossible to do without anitfungal drugs or caplyric acid . I think gut diseases in various areas in the tract are really yeast which contribute to lowering the barrier and robbing RS from un healthy people.( I can prove this in my case of crohns(which yeast is not looked at by GI’s) If you google the bacteria akkermansia you will learn that most healthly people have 3 to 5 percent. If diabetes cases type 2 the thought is they loose this bacteria and barrier. Many on the other side point to yeast and fungus as the cause of diabetes. I think this RS is important but the RS will feed the good bacteria..if you fix the balance of yeast and or kill lower it. I dont take RS but I eat alot of the Inulin foods , flax seed ,chia seed , fats , coconut oils what Wilburs most likely eats. I have seen drastic changes in my health and stool , but without RS (but im getting some in nuts etc) I have slowly added rutabaga starch in and I had gas like crazy at first like others say when first adding in starch. I have been eating them 3 days a week and the gas is gone now, It took about 2 weeks to level off..At the start it was SUPER BAD- rutabaga is a good yeast killer… as well . I eat alot of FIBERS in the way of paleo bread Psyllium in it… Julian bakery ..alot of veggies peppers, kale, spinach, broccoli, cabbage , etc etc low starch veggies you name it I eat it .. Take renew life 50 billion probiotics .. free of rice ,soy,milk, starches… I eat real German sauerkraut. Hopefully my input will shed more light here. I test multiple things regularly IBD expaned panel(gastro test) great plains COMP stool and organic acid testing , ELISA act bio – igg igm iga tcell and immune complex testing , american gut, NMR lipo profile, regular blood panels , enterolab fecal stool IGE testing.. Ive seen alot change over two years……DOWN yeast UP bacteria…. down health UP health

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 11:28

      Eddie – I’ve read lots of your posts. Good job! Strange you can eat lots of inulin but not RS. It must be the slowly fermenting aspect vs fast fermenting that Grace is going to talk about in Part 2.

      Yeast overgrowths are a substantial part of the gut problems people have, no doubt. Thanks for sharing.

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 11:57

      I know that the yeast do not eat the inulin but do eat the RS… from research and testing on myself.

      What are your thoughts on rutabaga ??? its a yeast killer but has some starch?? I plan to retest elisa act bio , next month , I had bad reactions to Potato and dairy 2 years ago in my blood… fecal testing should bad reactions to rice, potato ,corn starches in general. My theory– due to low akkermansia (gut barrier bacteria) Im 41 2 years ago I couldnt eat gluten , bread pizza etc not that I do it really now but can.. Dont take this the wrong way..I drank beer all of memorial weekend for the first time in over a year… over 6 a day for 3 days as a test…ZERO problems no hangover. Gluten problem is gone… I suspect the potato problem may be gone too.. From my retesting I think my yeast is so low now I can try and add in more starches……what are the low starch contact items you guys use…

    • Richard Nikoley on June 4, 2014 at 12:29

      I appear to have no gluten prob anymore either. As as test, while up at my cabin for the last week I bought a loaf of plain old white bread. Had a few hamburgers with bun, and last night, some mushroom ravioli. And even though on a no-alcohol test, I had an ale with dinner. Zero problems.

      I’m not planning to make this anything regular, but it’s nice to have the flexibility to have some nice bread and pasta now and then. Can’t describe what a pleasure it was to eat a plate of perfectly done moist scrambled eggs with three slices of dark toasted, buttered white bread. It’s probably been more than 5 years since I’ve had that.

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 12:46

      Rutabaga is probably a sort of superfood in some respects. Very underutilized. I’ve only had it a few times in my life. It has great mix of fiber types.

      I’ll be curious to see how far you can push this. Have you tried S. boulardii?

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 13:09

      It took me a total of 1 1/2 years to fix my gut.. since then no migraines… no nasal drip…no snoring.. no forgetting things. Best of all no summer allergies and i dont get sick.. my wife and kid have coughed in my face 3 different times when sick. In my research the gluten protein looks like the candida protein or yeast proteins.. some say soy does soy….a reason I say so many are screwed up from food. The problem is yeast from over processed foods.. sugar and all the soy added to foods. all that feeds yeast/fungus.. add in steroid /inhalers for allergies they shrink membranes but feed fungus ..from my documenting my life for 2.5 years…the NSAIDS you take for the headache your taking due to the yeast,, but your killing the gut barrier more and temp fixing your headache…as you then depend on it. I have been scared to add in S. boulardii as to not mess up my good thing going. from search this yeast is close to bakers brewers yeast. I dont seem to be reactive to that in antibody testing as that matches ASCA which im low… my antibodies were high for AMCA which amounts to mannons or candida yeast. I point to candida as I removed all food for a year with mannons and my numbers dropped only when I took yeast killing herbs or drugs. Im trying to get some RS in i do get from nuts but almost scared to add it …The rutabaga seems ok. I plan to test ALCA AMCA ACCA ASCA when you break all these out you will find food falls under each as well yeasts.. alot to explain. ASCA= bakers brewers yeast, ALCA =sugars etc another away in my research you can pin point your issue. Im down with trying it..RS — but like to test as im doing it.. an example blue berries are high in mannons as well my AMCA number is up ticking but Im trying to figure out if its yeast raising it or if its food now. If I test again and its normal < I can then add in the RS and then test to see if it goes up… at the same time ALCA may go up this is sugars , starch digests as sugars. If they go up over the safe area , this is were crohns and colitis come in…

    • Energy! on June 4, 2014 at 13:23

      @eddie, are you eating raw rutabaga or steamed or what…? It’s good raw but is a goitrogen so just was wondering.

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 13:25

      yeah I love the fact I can also now eat bread real bread like in europe if I want ….or a slice of pizza at a kids party or enjoy a beer with a friend…I just dont do it on a regular basis. I feel my gut is better now that im 41 then it was my whole life..worst being 2 years ago.. I was cut open with a fistula and all kinds of problems. I still didnt take there meds(big pharm) I spent thousands on advanaced tests and non stardard tests….. over and over… I watched as my bacteria went up… and yeast went down.. I have so many people lost — I plan to write a book including all my REAL test results at the 3 to 4 year mark…I know RS is good….Its just can you get the yeast down so the Good bacteria can eat it up

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 13:44

      I saw that from looking up it many of the foods on here I eat , I cook alot of them.. I have been eating it cooked in the oven like potatos with spices and olive oil , I see its higher if RAW , I ate a small piece raw the other day

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 13:57

      this going to sound strange but I really think its the following bacteria akkermansia

      I think those that have a good amount the inulin foods –asparagus ,leeks garlic and onions feed to create the barrier –hence block the gluten issues.. food intolerances
      Then all your RS feed the bacteria tator tot tim has HIGH in the american gut. I say this because all the strains tator tot tim had Im have almost none. I think those strains help make you healthly also suppressing the yeast. Just from my results on my self and whats happen to me in testing. As well I can now eat gluten enjoy a beer etc .. Screwed up guts from antibiotics , and NSAIDS , bad food choices of sugar over time puts you in that dead end cycle!!!

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 14:42

      this bacteria EATS inulin foods —The bacterium, Akkermansia muciniphila, digests mucus , everyone with gut disorders have alot of mucus and/ or some blood. I did all my life… now I dont have this when i go. As long as I eat my high doses of onions I eat every day fried or asparagus I feel I have a stomach of steel.. My american gut project shows I had 13 percent almost 2 times more then the avg person. I will test again soon…and bet that number goes higher.. I am no longer sick with crohns or ulcer colitis , I didnt take the GI drugs .. These people say you never can be cured your in remission ?? I say from all my tests im cured. Question for RICHARD when you were sick with gluten issues did you have mucus ????

    • Richard Nikoley on June 4, 2014 at 15:12


      I have never tested anything, gut bug wise.

      Yet, I feel pretty good, and gluten stuff doesn’t give me nuclear heartburn anymore, nor does my nose run 24/7’/365.

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 15:21

      Hi Eddie,

      I’ve had a similar gut journey as yours and it required several years as well to fix (and still goes in/out easily). For me potatoes/nightshades aren’t problems but dairy because casein mimics gluten proteins.

      Thanks for sharing your successes. I concur — Akkermansia is often found in lean and balanced guts. It’s odd where it doesn’t bounce back. I love onions too — love 2-3 diced in chicken soup. When you repeat test, please let us know your results. Look forward to reviewing.

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 15:22

      I hope everyone reads your story Eddie~! Fantastic weeding, feeding and seeding you’ve done. Maybe you can expound on how you re-seeded your gut-house?
      –raw salads, root veggies?
      –playing in dirt?

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 16:46

      my story is LONG… always had some strange minor issues.. everything that over the counter drugs are made for… then it happen to me CROHNS and ULCER COLITIS :( I heard a relative had it 2 years older then me. My self being lucky have a family tree of both sides of the family. I started to phone people ,facebook them and email them…its surprising what people keep quite. I quickly learned that going back to my great grandfather,,,he was the start of problems. My grandmothers sisters husband was an MD retired and still is alive in his 90’s he treated everyone his mind is still perfect. Everyone who did get sick in the family had stomach issues or type 2 diabetes. Some had colitis some crohns… many bad arthritis, leaking to osteoporosis. and heart disease. So i ate pretty good I ended up like the others in the same period 35 to 45 years old. went to the doc was checked colon test and endo.. problems in the rear and upper tract. I was told meds for life… I said no thanks I got yelled at… i said everyone in my family is dead — they dont work they all died before 67 The doc chased me out the door…..and I never went back to him (johns hopkins trained GI) I started my research.. i looked over all my tests– for me he did alot of them HLA disease association, IBD PANEL, IBD EXPANDED PANEL, GLUTEN tests , PARISTE TESTS, BACTERIA CHECKS.. Some vitamins minerals… I began to to at everything.. NO CAUSE just take these meds… I researched the IBD EXPANDED PANEL all 5 antibodies — I found all the things everyone talks about fall under each antibody ALCA ACCA ASCA AMCA sugars , starches etc… all my bacteria tests came back nothing…but im sick.. MY AMCA was 213 normal is below 89 my ALCA was 64 normal under 40 I began the long process of research all foods polysaccharides inulin etc etc mannons and learn what each mean.. and made my diet around this… the IBD PANEL is only given one time , I decide to test every 3 months and have been for 2 years… changing my diet ALCA—sugars came down…but my AMCA stayed high… AMCA is candida yeast or mannons or a couple other things removing all foods it qucikly came to me it was candida. I looked at all my bacteria tests and found what they tested me for was a joke… I search for top labs and found GREATPLANS lab — did there comp stool testing 92 bacteria, 22 parasite, 48 yeasts… I also did the OAT… my results …low good bacteria , some high bad, high yeasts and markers for them. My stomach a mess… I did IGE allergy testing…went there they pricked my arm, and also sent my blood to a lab.. gluten soy milk, grains potato , rice, corn etc etc all NEGATIVE..I also tested lactose and dairy NEGATIVE.. they said make a food journal …I said go F yourself….So I searched I found ELISA act BIO in VA.. they test IGA IGG IGM TCELL and IMMUNE complex responses.. I tested came back – potato , apple, dairy , butter , yogurt, collard greens , buckwheat.. I removed all this from my diet . I felt it to be accurate as just 2 weeks before my wife made buckwheat and my nose bleed that night,. I researched more.. I found enterolab…fecal IGE testing. I learned you can have a blood response in many antibodies or a gut response. Here I tested… corn rice potatos, soy gluten and more came back bad… I researched all these foods and mapped them as well the ones in the elisa act… they all matched up in my antibodies for the IDB EXPANDED PANEL… so I began my diet… fats good fats.. fish meat chicken etc NO starches, low to no fruits.. ate strange 3 times a day chicken breast for breakfast.. quickly my system went nuts…nasal drip…headaches, the shits… no sleep.. stomach noises.. I added in vitamins …researching I learned all have trash in them or rice , soy, grains milk etc.. bought ones that I were free of all the things that bugged me. vit d3 lanolin based with olive oil instead of SOY… Krill oil,, and probiotic RENEW LIFE 50 billion.. I then added in yeast killers since my great plans lab advised me to and my AMCA ibd expanded panel was high…ALL things standard medicine do not look at or believe. As time went on I got sick…. green poos , yellow poos, headaches,,, red eyes.. rashes… phases of yellow on toe nails.. mucus stools.. blobs of mucus.. nasal drip…couching up mucus , blowing out stuff. My nose dripped on the right side 7 months the other a total of 11 months.. I had ringing in my ear…I was loosing my hearing.. as time went on I stuck to a low starch diet… high fat, massive low starch veggies , good fats – and it slowly cleared.. As all this happen I retested many tests as I did things changed and lowered YEAST and bacteria raised…. I even did american gut. I know I havent got into to much detail on foods, seeding etc… at my sickest I could not eat any sugars,.,, or gluten , grains etc — many of these proteins soy and gluten look like yeast proteins… As I ate my limted diet.. I ate lots of inulin foods.. NOT RS … as time went on over 1 1/2 years eating this way no cheating…. my gut repaired it self…from the probiotics , killing yeast…yeast .lower your PH.. killing good bacteria.. and keep it from growing.. I have alot of data from doing so many tests.. when I was sick my stool PH was a 5 today I am a 7.. I also tracked my cholesterol in advanced testing(NMR LIPO PROFILE) particle testing… as I ate more good fats and tons of veggies..cutting up my carbs.. my total LDL particles went up. but my LDL-P went down i hang at about 100 LDL-P and LDL particles 1399 my HDL went up.. 65 and LDL sits at 115 trys move 40 to 70. When my gut was failing my heart felt as it was racing,… I also this year did a cardiac calcium score ….i am a (1) today — I have no seasonal allergies… I can eat gluten all I want ..I almost never eat it.. drink beer… I dont snore–I use to like a saw. I sleep like a baby, my nails are good , my whole health is PERFECT in advanced testing for NMR lipo profile my insulin resistance is LOW.. as a test I havent exercised much my weight doesnt move…every so often I ll jog and I feel great

    • eddie on June 4, 2014 at 18:57


      have you ever done a IBD EXPANDED PANEL….not the standard panel. Would love to know your results LABCORP test isgood test 162045. As well I also genetic tested. I carry 4 genes for gluten in the HLA DQ2 area and 2 for type diabetes… type 2 runs in my family same with gut issues,. But I have problems with dairy as well. did with gluten but that has seemed to leave now. which I point to yeast.. If you do the IBD expanded panel I will guess you will be HIGH in AMCA or ASCA .. yeast proteins can look like soy, gluten or dairy(cassin) to the body .. really look into the ELSIA ACT technologies in VA Doing this showed me what my immune system was reacting to… many other tests pin pointed more.. greatplans stool and OAT… most docs GIs dont use the IBD EXPANDED PANEL…(LAZY) I would love to share some of my results with you as well see you do this… I look at my gut like reverse cancer .. when you get it you feel fine… over time you get sick and bad. with my gut…after 6 months I was fine felt good…but my numbers were still bad in the IBD EXPANDED PANEL… I stuck with it over a year and a half even thou I felt fine… it took over a year to fix (looking at numbers) not just feeling good

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 20:56


      I adore learning new things — I wasn’t aware of the expanded testing, only familiar with the lipoproteins from Labcorp. Thank you for so generously sharing!

      You should consider 23andme if you have not done so. Like you, Tim and I are fearless biohackers by nature, and numbers are never daunting. Yes you’re right — problem AMCA and ASCA are j*kced!

      I just found a tidbit about FUT2 and non-secretors have yeast issues as it allows more fungi adherence to mucosa. Have you had the FUT2 status assessed? Approx 4 SNPs affect how much fucosylated oligos are secreted on mucus membranes. Most people with gluten issues, celiac, Type 1 D, IBD, UC and Crohn’s are non-secretors.

      Great Plains is awesome. I’ll ck out the ibd expanded.

      What is this test?
      ELSIA ACT technologies in VA?

      Gemma found this gem on FUT2. B frag is a soil based organism that nearly everyone should have: “Fut2 induction could also be restored by colonization by Bacteroides fragilis, but not by a B. fragilis mutant unable to utilize fucose. Restoration of fut2 expression (by either microbiota or B. fragilis) in bacteria-depleted mice is necessary for recovery from dextran sulfate sodium-induced mucosal injury. ”

      23 SNPs exist for FUT2 — for Han chinese (me partly) there are 4 SNPs with relevance

      -I’m non-secretors for rs281377 which is associated with significant increased UC
      -I’m hetero for (in the Chinese pop) rs601338 is also associated with increased UC (but not T1D for non-secretor)
      -I’m hetero secretor on rs1047781 where the homozygous was associated with low serum vitamin B12
      -also I’m non-secretor for rs602662 which is associated with low B12 in vegan non-secretors

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 4, 2014 at 21:02

      Eddie~ what an incredible turn around! “As time went on I got sick…. green poos , yellow poos, headaches,,, red eyes.. rashes… phases of yellow on toe nails.. mucus stools.. blobs of mucus.. nasal drip…couching up mucus , blowing out stuff.”

      How many courses of antibiotics did you have as a child? Your mother?

    • natty on June 5, 2014 at 13:06

      thanks for posting lab names eddie.

      I have been dealing with the same issue, working my way through getting lab tests ordered and the middle man(doctors)/insurance system.

      it has not been easy to take responsibility for my health. even finding an integrative medicine practitioner willing to invest time and energy into me specifically, has alluded me thus far. The system is not set up for people to map, perform personal research and take charge of their health.

      In addition, lab costs out of pocket are high-which further frustrates the problem.

      for example, my integrative doc ordered a CDSA 2.0 through GDX, and due to my own error, was not the exact stool test I wanted….It did however confirm issues, candida lambica, low PH, poor absorption, etc….but I have to work through analyzing results myself.

      started on iodine(low due to iodine loading test) and undecylenic acid to kill the yeast.

      mercury and yeast go hand in hand.

      this was actually the book that got me started down a path a couple years ago. thankfully, this blog and others have helped immensely:

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 13:18

      Grace ,

      I signed up for 23andme the day I did the GOV put the hammer on the section I wanted to be useful , until they straighten this out I have it on hold…I say focus on the following for your gut— track down whats got your immune system over working (foods) this is where the elisa act bio comes in…. this place read more here to do this test you use you can do just foods here … or a group of things here Starting here you can get a base and free up the stress on your immune system looking at the PIE chart you see IGE this is the worthless useless testing at your allergy office(where many get told make a food map journal sorry we didnt find anything).. yes this can be good but this is for people with real instant allergies – if you have something going gut problems etc this isnt the place –I tested here nothing came back. From here do your IBD EXPANDED PANEL 5 antibodies 162045 labcorp test… if your highin any note it… if its AMCA odds are its candida yeast If gASCA bakers or brewers yeast the test tests the following Antichitobioside carbohydrate antibodies (ACCA); antilaminaribioside carbohydrate antibodies (ALCA); antimannobioside carbohydrate antibodies (AMCA); anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae antibodies (gASCA); atypical perinuclear antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody (pANCA). All the things you talk about Polysaccharides ,glycan, and resistant starches etc etc sugars anything etc can be broke out into each of these… if your high in one remove the foods and see what happens , if it doesnt come down in asca or amca you have a yeast issue internal no doc will find(the great plans lab with back this up) .. From here move to enterolab testing fecal IGE , if your gut is leaking or the lining is low —food proteins leak in … found in the ELSIA act.. IF your gut is a mess you may have reactions in the fecal area I tested here , and will follow up this one this year.. I had many things come back — starches –and things that look like yeast proteins milk, soy and gluten— yeast eat starches. (yeast and bacteria live here and fight for food) From here doing the great plains OAT test organic acid test you can find what toxins are being released in your urine from yeast and bad bacteria as well what your low on vit wise..( bacteria and yeast get into the liver and bladder too). the COMP STOOL here is very far better then the lab your LOSER GI doc will use at a hospital or lab corp== they just dont look for much or tell you your good these places test like 7 things each 7 bacteria if your lucky and a hand full of parisites.. your then tossed under a bus when they find nothing. they also dont look at GOOD bacteria levels. great plans will tell you 92 different bacteria levels, 48 yeast types(no doc does they dont understand it) or 22 paristes in you if you have any —they also will tell you whats going on with your good bacteria if its low missing etc heres some samples OAT test and comp stool test I wanted answers and a basis of why I got sick not some side show story at the GI ‘s office… they are clueless. they are good at fixing and putting back parts , hemorrhoids , cutting out and putting back together your intestines –but not why this happen to you.. my god they dont even tell people half the time to take probiotics .good at GI camera upper and lower… if they see it in the camera your diseased, if they dont your IBS -irritable bullS*T syndrome. After doing al this it was like opening a locked door… I realized i had problems probably all my life– which in turn weaken your immune system and sinus… I ve come along way .. theres tests its just no one has used them all at once to there advantage (the problem it is not CHEAP) In this whole process during being sick, I tried to explain it all to docs they were all so lost or clueless or had that big head… At my worst I lied in a hospital bed , I had a fistula , red eyes, joint pain in legs and hand… I know I caused my fistula as when I started all the antifungals things got worse bleeding in rectum , pain in my hands , I had ringing in my ear, the strangest — I was told I have osteoporosis lower back, osteopenia left neck and left hip….when I started natural antifungals I got pain in all those places.. I also took photos of my hands and eyes — Ill be happy to send you stuff.. I find standard medicine care backwards now good care ended in the 60’s ( i am 41 years old) I went to the ENT ear nose and throat doc many times… ringing in the ear… there answer try antibiotics I said no… then one day the bio film thing dropped out like plastic wrap — a photo of this i have too. –look me up on facebook edward belschner columbia md Id be happy to share alot in email….

    • Gemma on June 5, 2014 at 00:05

      what a story! You have probably found the way to defy your genes — via trial and error and common sense. Please do write your book!

      I am intrigued to read about “ringing in the ear”. Was it only occasional tinnitus or something worse? Ever felt sickness and vertigo? A relative of mine was diagnosed with Meniere – doctors are clueless — there is no cure.

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 16:56


      Have you heard of Undecyn? I don’t take it because it lowers my blood glucoses too much but it’s very effective for digestion and anti-fungal.

      Betaine Hydrochloride† 450 mg
      Calcium Undecylenate†† 450 mg
      Berberine HCI (from Indian Barberry extract) (root) (Berberis aristata) 150 mg

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 08:34

      i would love to see what happens to you if you added caplyric acid –a medium chain triglyceride( from coconut oil ) you have the RS down and your bacteria are eating it… the yeast killed / lowered by caplyric acid… one key thing that brought me back —other than my lining.. I suspect your lining good from all the inulin foods you eat and you have a good amount of BIFIDO and the RS you eat feeds the LAC… bacteria..

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 12:34

      I know I had a couple as a kid antibiotics , when I was a baby I had intestinal intussusception about 4 years old. they cut into my gut pulled down everything etc and removed my appendix as they were close so no one in the future would confuse the scar. I had nose bleeds as a kid….middle teens etc had my nose cauterized over 8 time until the laser came out a newbie doc burn a hole thru it.. now have a plastic button inside.. I had antibiotics as a teen for wisdom teeth and then 3 years ago for jaw surgery with in 6 months of two rounds of antibiotcs amoxicillion this is when my crohns started with ulcer colitis . I am a network engineer by trade and said screw all this and began to look at my body this way in testing past history etc using docs to my advantage , my general doc is so lost and so confused but happy … I told him I am in charge and told him what tests to run , sign off for advanced testing etc .I genteic tested my self as well I carry 4 genes for gluten problems in the HLA DQ area as well in this area I carry 2 genes for type 2 and narcolepsy.. I plan to test HLA DP and HLA DR some time… amoxicillin is made from penicillin– a mold ..mold is a fungus… I can say the proteins in soy , gluten and cassien look like yeast/fungus when the immune system is lost and crashed… Ive used alot of test and methods and I loose all the docs i talk too … All these tests out here enterolab, greatplans , gene testing , elisa act bio … standard gluten and crohns coltis blood tests have value but not alone.. you have to use all and map it out .. Some people on here , may activate and up there immune system with certain foods… where the ELISA ACT BIO comes in…if your system is a wash — foods your eating can just make it working harder worn its already fighting over growth of yeasts and or bacteria

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 13:23

      as well all these tests— the vitamins your low in you can buy one free of your results

      KEY for me was krill oil, vit D3 you will be low… good source lanolin based nutrigold vit d3

      a b-complex free all BLUE BONNET
      The kill rotating in things to lower yeast while raising that bacteria— we all talk about , again im off base but the yeast fight the bacteria for sugars –milk,grains, starches, so you have to play i TOTALLY see the good from RS im just slowly getting there while documenting my story

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 13:39


      look at doug kauffmann the yeast dude…. I take in what everyone says and dont play sides.. My angle is Richard and tator tot tim are right on RS and so is Doug kaufmann (yeast dude) to me and my fight with documenting my life from day one getting sick yeast and bacteria are fighting for the food.. who ever has grown bigger is the winner…

      Grace said Gemma found this gem on FUT2 im going to read into this.. I think depending where the over growth is in the tract the RS can favor you .. if not those dam yeast got it.. genes play a role and what you have done to your self–tons of wine-beer is yeast…all that crappy non Europe bread is trash commercial yeast .. add in the NSAIDS for the headache —your lining is gone… add in antibiotics god help you!!! I wrote above — and in a couple places I got no where with GI’s they wanted to turn off my immune system with pills , thats like closing a door to a room with roaches, cutting off the electric taping the door seams (YOU STILL HAVE ROACHES that will grow) anyway… Everyone does there thing to get healthly –your ears Ill tell you a tip… see if you can get your doc to give you diflucan for 12 days… if your ringing get less… you nailed its not that simple… you have a diagnoses. which may widen your eyes.. I know from documenting my 2.5 years Ive changed the whole make up of my gut— bacteria wise and yeast wise…. the silent part is yeast– they live in your ear and sinus too…. how many antibiotics has your family member been on and steroids

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 13:50

      IF you know your pH is low and you can confirm yeast poke over to doug— Know The Cause – Doug Kaufmann from what I found in the thousands I spent—$$$ bye bye money but hello better health , docs are clueless in this area , people like Richard, doug and rob wolf , jimmy moore are better suited.. If you want to be sick , you follow the program of big pharm , if you want to get healthy — you have to be your own doc , which includes you as the middle man outsider.. looking at everything 360 and spending your own money,,,, the real tests that dig deep are not covered or approved which makes me wonder why … fix the yeast/lower it first and fix the gut barrier and do what RICHARD SAYS youll have a super gut— look up caplyric acid eat foods to feed your lining inulin foods , get your probiotics , then get the starch in

    • Richard Nikoley on June 5, 2014 at 14:15


      I’ve kinda been awestruck with you. I’m more of a shit slinger, both blog and health, but it doesn’t mean I’m not amazed by people like you and Grace who really delve into the nitty gritty, including expensive testing.

      It is curious that these tests exist, but so-called health insurance won’t cover.

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 14:19

      HI eddie,

      I had high mucus during the inflammatory gut stages:

      Richard had high mucus via non-allergic rhinitis, chronically. I suspect that it was gut-wise as well, because all our peripheral symptoms usually mirror the gut (eg skin, brain, HPA, membranes, liver, organs, etc).

      RS3 does feed fungi — ur correct — however it also feeds the anti-fungal components of our gut
      –SBOs (soil based organisms): bacilli (including lacto) [b subtilis, b licheniformis], clostridia, bifido, etc
      –fermented vegs: L plantarum
      –fermented red pepper paste, shrimp paste, salami: B subtilis, B licheniformis
      –raw dairy/cheeses: B licheniformis, LABs
      –fermented ITALIAN SAUSAGE: Lactobacilli, bifido, etc

      Personally I tolerated both cooked and raw RS well despite candida 3+ after last summer. I think eating fermented foods that were high in L plantarum provided the edge to do so.

      How much mercury did/do you have? vaccinations? Mom’s amalgam? your amalgam? Any well water (which is nearly contaminated now)?

    • rick on June 5, 2014 at 14:38

      Eddie, please do write your book.
      And when you do, please use paragraphs!

    • Richard Nikoley on June 5, 2014 at 14:57

      2nded Eddie. Way more people would get your wisdom if you chopped it up into bites.

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 14:59


      Thanks for being more open minded and spreading that meme.

      GDX has a wonderful program as they are trying to help insurance companies to understand the value and merit of advanced, progressive testing that belies modern Pharma/testing. Eddie and others should consider — only $99 for the stool testing and $129 for urine testing of gut dysbiosis.
      –GDX GI 2200 panel
      –GDX O.N.E. Optimal nutreval

      All diseases taught now in med, RN and Rx schools are drug-based, eg I was taught in pharmacy essentially match the symptom to the drug. There are no searches for root causes. No delving into diet or botanicals.
      — diabetes: oral hypoglycemic agents
      — heart disease: statin, aspirin, beta blocker, ACE inhibitor
      — crzay: antidepressant or fancy atypical antipsychotic for ‘insomnia’
      — insomnia: benzodiazepine
      — UTI, URI, cough/fever: ANTIBIOTICS with no probiotics
      — obesity: (old days) get them hooked on speed derivations; (modern) high grains, low fat — get them hooked on Big Agra/GMO + Big Pesticides big profit corn and wheat cereals and n-6 pufa corn, soy, canola oil

      Eddie and I have had to figure a lot of things out — and I consulted some of the best in the nation — and recover our own health step by $$$$$$ expensive f*kcing step.

      I wish it were as easy as RS + probiotics.

      imho we’re too burdened by our mothers’ toxins, devastation from pharmaceuticals and industrial farming, and their collective environmental effects now. Not everyone can afford what Eddie and I have had to do unfortunately and these sick people effects all of us — yet we all PAY for it — the brain numb kids, the drug use, the prisons, the mentally ill, the DUIs, etc.

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 15:01


      23andme are still open ;)

      only for ancestry, no more disease associations.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 15:06


      HAHAH i know…I just ramble here.. tossing it out fast.. at the 3 to 4 year mark i plan to write..I keep compiling my data ,I want to write a book to include all sides and what happen to me in documenting. documented in testing.( the standard GI doesnt use plus theres. I see all these books not there but there all ideas many people have good points. One thing doesnt work for all like Pase1 and 2 doug, SCD , low carb, high fat, paleo….you need to find what agrees with your genes and immune system( bacteria) and lower that yeast. But the starch is import and so is the lnulin and good fats and fibers… sugar will be the death of us all…if its processed and to many fruits

    • Richard Nikoley on June 5, 2014 at 15:13

      That’s right.

      Obama, his stupid bitch, the House, Senate, Supremes, State houses, county sears and city councils fucking hate that anyone ought to be able to do anything without them.

      Fortunately, one way or another, their worthless, pip-squeak and clowning days are numbered.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 15:19

      I ll tell you I watched my grandmother fall apart as a child, gut issues, heart , bad arthritis dead at 68 . My mother died a couple years ago same way, mucus in lungs , heart osteoporosis migraines, gut . then my uncle 63 there sister my aunt is 56 and shes going down that path.. My mothers side has problems , my great grand parents had 8 kids and all of them had many kids Italian. You can see it run down the tree.. I always ate good growing up- what I thought was good. I had all the minor things but when it hit me at 38 I said theres a link some where… Ill tell you, if it wasnt the german in me anal retentive side my fathers, I would be died right now from the hospital screwing with me when i was sick. I actually told them NO MORE — and made them remove IV’s etc these tests have i know saved my life and changed the outcome of my future. My fathers side lives into there 90’s . I hope to help others—- years ago sitting in the GI’s office looking around back and forth there must of been 18 people( all I know now got bad advice)

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 15:23

      Thx — yes that explains a lot.

      For me as well, a jaw surgery (implant) initiated the entire cascade of worse gut health (that boatloads of antibiotics PRIMED TOO WELL). My oral surgeon drilled and released a lot of titanium then I got amoxicillin. Then a tetanus shot (DPT) which probably ravaged the immunity further…… either the mercury or Pertussis part.

      What kind of jaw surgery was it?

    • natty on June 5, 2014 at 15:39


      GDX ONE is $129

      But, GDX GI 2200 is in the high $300s out of pocket. The lab person at integrative doc I’m using as middle man, showed me prices through the GDX book. Could this discrepancy in cost be according to doc office?

      For CDSA 2.0 I went along with a couple months ago—out of pocket almost $500.

    • Richard Nikoley on June 5, 2014 at 16:13


      Yep. Moms side is Danish/Welsh, dad’s pure Barbarian, which is of course my aspiration.

      Both are long lived. I had a great grandmother until I was 28. All grandparents died in their 80s, all were smokers and drinkers.

      My German great grandmother whom I never met, died at 96.

      My dad tells me she ate potatoes every day of her life.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 16:26


      GRACE I like this what you said
      RS3 does feed fungi — ur correct — however it also feeds the anti-fungal components of our gut!!! yes, why I say its a fight who gets its from where ever is grown more… to me gut disease is yeasts-(there never checked) yet almost everyone with crohns etc diabetes has antibodies for ASCA or AMCA

      this bacteria I talk about akkermansia really look into the studies what it does lining eats up mucus… and thickens the lining. Yeast make roots and get deep in the lining… this bacteria akkermansia basically is the lining in my eyes… there both living there. I bet Richard has a good amount now or you from inulin foods depending how many you eat…try adding in more asparagus and onions to your diets –and leeks garlic. This bacteria is lowered from gluten ,and alcohol– i wouldnt be surprised if someone did a study on NSAIDS they would kill them to. If antibiotics kill friend and foe , im sure theres where your holes are. My thought looking over my self in detail is that my gut was a mix of low akkermansia with yeast dug in with them being in control they lowered my ph -which killed lowered my bacteria.. hence all my potatos ,corn, rice and starches were eaten by the yeasts.. I have killed and lowered them successfully ,as I dont get migraines, rashes, blood shot eyes, toe nails are good, nasal sinus great. ( this shows in my 2 years of IBD EXPANDED PANEL results and my GREAT PLANS TESTS repeating. MY AMCA is now going back up , but could be from blue berries as there high in mannose

      For me Ive done an experiment BACKWARDS
      I have a strange bacteria make up now from American gut. here you go
      Genus Bacteroides 37.3%
      Genus Parabacteroides 20.1%
      Genus Akkermansia 13.2%
      Genus Serratia 3.8%
      Genus Serratia 3.8% 0.19% 20x more than others
      Family 0319-6G20 0.1% 0.00% 43x more
      Genus Bilophila 0.6% 0.17% 4x more
      Family Alteromonadaceae 0.0% 0.00% 10x

      following rare taxa: Genus Leptotrichia, Genus Ochrobactrum,
      Unclassified Family 0319-6G20, Genus Chelonobacter, Genus Treponema.

      Now looking at this you would say OH GOD– My Firmicutes are LOW to none.. I contribute my good health right now to the HIGH
      Genus Bacteroides 37.3%
      Genus Parabacteroides 20.1%
      Akkermansia 13.2% (LINING BACTERIA)
      But when you you run my great plains lab test I have good amounts of high amounts BIFIDO and no LACTO bacteria.. I have watched this go down.. before I had high , I ate homemade SCD yoogart, but realized the yeast were eating it and my ELISA ACT immune test showed i reacted to it… I never felt bad.. same with the starch the yeast ate it too. My wife is lithuanian my god thats all they EAT

      Now if it walks crawls swims I eat it rabbit , pork , grass feed beef , fish etc- nuts -almonds ,pumpkin seeds, walnuts hazel nuts. you name the low starch veggie I eat it celery, peppers, kale, cabbage, bok choy, broccoli -google low starch veggies. I eat real german sauerkraut- salt and cabbage only, kimchi , I eat two eggs everyday , also onions, toss in rutabaga. I havent really eaten potatos , corn , grains or rice for 2.5 years.. or many starches , my health fiipped 360. I drink almond milk , only bottled spring water, have tea some times green tea , pau d’arco , echinacea, mint, and many others..
      I look over the recent HAZDA stuff and i didnt really see where LACTO bacteria fit in… The strange thing all my minor health problems have all left. The last thing osteoporosis and I suppose over time this will change to. As I stated in another post as I took anti fungals I got pains in the areas where I had this.. My doc thought i was crazy at 38 asking for this test. When the results came back he shut up… many others in my family in the end had this. Before getting crohns I noticed my heart race at times. I also had bad hemorrhoids.. when you search and track the arteries you ll see theres one going straight to the anus that runs by the heart… hence why I say gut micros and yeast are related to heart disease , plus my families history
      Today no racing heart.. my BP is 105/68 siting pulse 58 Ive done alot of tracking my cholesterol in NMRLIPO PROFILE in 2 years as well watching my LDL-P particles lower but the over all LDL particles rise. MY LDL stays at 115 my HDL 60 to 70 range now particle size big puffy one.

      For dental I removed all the metal in my mouth as this can link to yeast as well

      I basically eat half vegan half meat eater– but subtract the starches beans rice corn potatos.
      I have my thought here as well when your sick, and you go off gluten –you run to the hippy store and go gluten free, I did this at first- but all your doing is eating corn flour, rice flour and potato flour and soy. hence the gluten free diet celiac / gluten intolerance.. why I dug here. these people feel better but never get better.. Why and what i saw happen to me , there eating foods that feed yeast. they removed the gluten but the proteins that look the same as say candida — gluten, soy and cassien some there eating there immune system has built a response to yeast , but there eating things close to it and foods that feed it.

      Just my experience in logging everything that happen to me. If you rest and repair your immune system you can have an immune reset and train to eat things again. ELISA ACT states this to. … some things youll never be able to eat again. Look at babies you cant give them all new foods at once , you have to slow into it.

      For me I know I have reset it , as I can drink beer again, eat bread, pizza, working on milk..but I see no value in it now.. No one can understand whats happen… my general docs wants me to go to johns hopkins…. since my family tree is full of type 2 and gut problem people. Some how i have flipped the switch and I know 100percent it is yeast

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 16:37


      yeah the old timers ate NO sugar… ate almost no fruits, maybe berries or strawberries , the bread was real…. real bread take 3 to 4 hrs to make as it ferments it self in the starter. they drank real beer
      and ate real breakfast meats and eggs… not cereal and trash grains… maybe some oats.
      they ate potato all the time they also didnt eat the freak russet potato we have in the USA. They ate a shit load of real butter and bacon fat…and until the 70 lived long
      Why i want to switch and get my starch in , in the hopes — my yeast dont eat it.( why I want to document it) when it was high it did eat it and Im sure its why I became reactive to starch…. My wife hates the fact I cut starches for now ( my two year test) she is lithuanian and when I go over there , there man staple is the potato no one is fat , they eat very little sugar and lots of fats– breakfast for a man is a slab of meat a rich small piece of bread with butter… and a cucumber

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 17:04

      One reason I have dug deep in the IBD EXPANDED PANEL….. you can look at each antibody .. break each out and modifiy your diet to lower the antibody

      if you know your high in ALCA sugars then remove sugars, if its milk, grains, starchs etc
      then slowly bring in while retesting , is it milk, is it grains, is it starches or do you have a general sugar problem..

      but it all lies with missing bacteria in the end to fix it thats what im finding– and the bad word yeast

    • Richard Nikoley on June 5, 2014 at 17:08

      Eschewing russet potatoes has zero basis.

      They’re all fine.

      My starving dad lived on them in the aftermath of WWII, when shit got the worst for Germans. He and other kids had to go to fields and pick what the harvesters left.

      I and probably many of us would not even here but for the–now–Idaho potato.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 17:14

      mandibular torus which I can not find a link but suspect yeast… as well

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 17:53

      well that probably didnt come out right….. im sure they ate NO sugar then in those times..
      I know the potatos in Europe are nothing like the russet , The russet is the highest starch content potatoes- every eastern European that comes to the states hate them we have at our house — theres are more like yukon

      you ever eat those dumplings ??? you grate the potato fine with a grater , squeeze out the juice(using a cheese cloth) , so its like a dough add in a small amount of cooked ones roll the potato dough , dunp out juice all the strach is left at the bottom…. you scrape it out with a spoon put it in the dough , roll the mix and its a dough….. put it in your hand , add meat close like an egg and cook for an hour or so floating in water????? they then add sauce over it sourcream with bacon fat….

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 18:57

      No unfortunately at this time, a non-HMO health insurance plan is needed for GDX’s easypay plan. The client’s cost is just the copay as I listed.

    • eddie on June 6, 2014 at 05:10

      GRACE /DRBG and Richard

      I hope you take a close look at the IBD EXPANDED PANEL… test your self fairly cheap (lab corp 162045)

      When you dig deep , you will see the basic panel IBD PANEL
      which really tests yeasts :
      Saccharomyces cerevisiae, IgA;
      Saccharomyces cerevisiae, IgG
      as well
      Atypical perinuclear antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibodies (pANCA);
      NOW I TEST OUT NEGATIVE HERE…….hence 90 percent of GI docs dont go any further..they jump to the GI camera up the pop shoot or down the mouth, most people with IBS GI issues get this test, and the buck stops here. Look at your self GRACE

      then you have the IBD EXPANDED PANEL– i have joined many IBS colitis and crohns as well diabetes forums to poke around and ask questions, I havent found one person who has had this done. As I state it checks many antibodies which for me in conjunction with other tests showed and proved food groups that were a problem for me— due to my gut lining being low and missing bacteria. I can prove this by backing it up with other tests

      the test tests:
      Antichitobioside carbohydrate antibodies (ACCA);

      antilaminaribioside carbohydrate antibodies (ALCA);

      antimannobioside carbohydrate antibodies (AMCA);
      anti-Saccharomyces cerevisiae antibodies

      (gASCA); atypical perinuclear
      antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibody (pANCA)
      HERE many can pinpoint there issues—–from my testing research and using my self as a test bunny regulating my food for over yea2 yearsr eating the same thing over and over.. as well playing and using adding antifungals , antifungal drugs and supplements/ herbs and bacteria.( some may argue this is not accurate but it isnt if you dont regulate you food and learn what foods fall up polysaccharides etc etc

      you pick any of the groups above foods and groups can be dumped in them allowing you a cheap option for someone who has no or low funds for testing. I use this like a cholesterol
      test…. If you have high ALCA– this is sugars so one can say why dont you cut out milk, grains and starches for 2 months and then come back….(see how you do) if your numbers lower greatly then its your job to add in one of each groups at a time say milk first….does go up or stay now normal…if it does not come back test again in a month or two try grains…. etc etc

      For me I found ALCA high = all sugars I also had super HIGH AMCA = 204 normal is below 89 today I move between 60 and 80 many ALCA is nornal now , but I dont eat much sugar and starches. I learned that the sugars and starches for me feed the the yeasts
      my 2 year log shows this as I removed sugar the sugar dropped instant to normal levels. But the AMCA barely dropped until I took antifungal supplements , then the number started to lower… as I took an antifungal drug the number dropped in half.

      I always see Richard and others and you GRACE talk about SBO’s soil based org.. One drug that is successful in going in the GUT is NYSTATIN an antifungal derived from a bacteria, Streptomyces noursei nystatin has been used to prevent the spread of mold on objects such as works of art. Its a soil based bacteria why it works so well…..then you have Diflucan which goes in the blood… I took both of these in my 2.5 years of experimenting , my AMCA dropped when I took it (dropped in half) Diflucan goes into the blood system.. If your gut barrier is weak or thin , maybe leaked yeasts have made it into you blood– hence why I say I had joint pain in my hands I was ready to be forwarded to an arthritis doc. I choose early to use this.. the joint pain left. my son could not touch my hand to hold my hand / finger walking or playing with out me being in bad pain. Many will say bacteria for arthritis
      but for me i say yeast as they live deep in the lining making roots when they turn pathogenic — so there the first to get in in my eyes.. then you have the akkermansia which is part of the lining. yes other bacteria and food could leak in and does , but I suspect the yeast as the main trouble maker ..I say this looking at all the systems all had in my family. My father 74 currently has arthritis.. He uses methotrexate which has turned off his immune system he gets bacteria infections and lost his big toe. But when you look at his toe nails there all yellow. his hands and knees are where most of the pain is when he stops the drug. His hands where the pain is the nails have a yellow tint and now his thumb nail is yellow… he loves his medicine , as his arthritis has advanced so has his blood pressure and snoring .. pressure moved up to 175 and he now masks this with drugs.

      Grace I think some like your self who you say your gut goes in and out should look hard here at the IBD expanded panel… if AMCA is high jump to the nystatin and then diflucan

      I think many people trying to rebuild there guts can benefit doing this , as well taking a soil based probiotic and the RS in a combo
      your add in good bacteria, feeding it with your starch and then knocking down the problem yeast.. the yeast and bacteria will fight for the food starch but by taking the antifungal you trick the deep yeasts in the lining to come out and feed, as they do there killed. At the same time your replacing that void area with new organisms your good bacteria… if you dont then something else will take up the area –and move in and make it there home. Why the probiotics are so important. The inulin is most important to fix the lining gut barrier…to heal and close off… glutamine will also help. All those fibers will feed the bacteria , as you talk WEED ,SEED and FEED…. all just my thoughts and what I have seen happen to me and family members

    • Gemma on June 6, 2014 at 06:25


      thanks so much for the tip on Candida/yeast link to tinnitus/vertigo (or hopefully Meniere syndrom). There is so much noise on Meniere research related to salt intake etc. Probably BS sinse it doesn’t help.

      I found even more people reporting on the web reversing hearing loss by treating Candida. So it is definitely worth looking into.

      If anyone is interested Doug Kaufmann talks about tinnitus at 11:00 mark here:

    • eddie on June 6, 2014 at 06:49

      We are all different and infected in different ways
      Why I say RS is so important and the bacteria that eat it……as well the yeast..they love it to, theres that fine line. Would be cool to figure what sources of RS yeast dont like , We guess they like RS3..
      The fungus/yeast fight the bacteria for food…if your yeast has become pathogenic– in from over use of antibiotics , steroids they feed them add in that high sugar there now incharge.. suppress them lower them your GOOD bacteria have a chance to enjoy the RS and bring you back… But like i say, I m positive it –its the inulin that helps close off the cut….from whats happen to me. from there the job is to put your bacteria in charge to eat the RS not the yeast—- using things like caplyric acid which wont hurt the good bacteria mainly the yeasts or the hard route drugs — antifungals etc. Doug has alot of stuff on his site… his diet works but in the end you will want Richards / tator tots STARCH RS because you will need to bring up / good bacteria to help you in the end to keep these yeast down for the count!!! Its a fine line why I say some dont do so well on the RS but many do.. More people dont have crohns , colitis IBS why RS works so well… to me depending how bad or where the yeast over growth is depends how quick the RS will work—again my theory from whats happen to me.. Have you family member try diflucan and nystatin or start with the cheap caplyric acid.. but be for warned, if this stuff is killed to fast youll get sick as hell as your body can not keep up with removing the toxins… youll get bad headaches , etc

    • T-Nat on June 6, 2014 at 08:00

      GDX offers something called “Easy Pay” option. What it means is that -if your insurance company declines it for any reason, GDX will only bill you the reduced rate of $99 – guaranteed. I think it is mentioned on their website somewhere. By law, they have to send you one bill at full price but they will not follow up on it. You will need to provide them with your insurance information at the time of testing.

    • natty on June 6, 2014 at 12:23


      I’m aware of the GDX easy pay. My HMO provider falls into what they consider to be Easy Pay B category-requiring the schedule amount according to GDX book, to be paid out of pocket and up front.

      The out of pocket amount for 2200 easy pay B amount is approx $350. ONE eval was indeed $129 for me. I’m going to hold off on GI 2200 for a few months away, due to completing the CDSA 2.0 already, and for a high cost.

      I suppose I should follow up with filing a claim myself to my provider.

      I would like to add from my own reading/experience, mercury and yeast go hand in hand. mobilizing mercury in the body from gut and other receptor sites is not the issue; mobilizing, removing, and replacing with minerals/good bacteria is the game, and probably a life pursuit. taking antifungals or other means to kill yeast without metal detoxing, will mobilize mercury to land elsewhere in the body.

      I too have been dealing with headaches and tinnitus for a few years. heavy metal hair tested late last year. I do need to retest here soon. Initial hair testing is not likely to show alarming metal toxicity, due to organs not excreting the metals, but rather holding on to them. 6-8 months later, my results should show differently.

    • eddie on June 6, 2014 at 15:45


      I would not focus to hard on the mercury if your eating right doing all the things to detox it will go(flush)… from all I ve read. Yes you need to add in minerals and vitamins your low in or lost , as the yeast and bad bacteria rob them , as well no lining to grab these things ( no villi hurt you) this is how you get all this.- from the villi If you have headaches etc, it could very well be yeast… You have to do tests or its like guessing like docs do.. you could have BAD BACTERIA , but odds are you have both, I also had some bad bacteria along with high yeasts… you need to get your PH up a little and – start killing yeasts / lowering it … youll never kill it all, your trying to bring it back down to a normal level–In the end bacteria will keep it in check..when you get there.. Its not easy !!! if your PH is held low the probiotics are a waste. I would focus more on the great plans OAT and compstool or your labs comp stool, what people dont know is you get like 20 mins or so to review your results with great plans lab, they will explain more and tell you what drugs etc and how to work on things together yeast and bacteria if it is your case… The lady I talked with both times was great.

      Im going to tell, you be careful — as you kill and lower both (yeast and bacteria)playing around…… this over loads your kidneys and liver and could kill you… I tracked my liver and kidneys in standard blood panels, and they were dropping bad, I also had some soreness in those areas.. Yellow stool, green stool ACID PEE…. To much too fast its bad…
      I will tell you in this process the headaches were 10x stronger when I started killing things. So bad I almost drove to the ER…thinking I was having brain aneurysm. I thought the headaches I had before were bad….take a hammer and hit your self as hard as you can—this is what it felt like…. As time went on they came and went…Lower and lower pain.. Then NONE…zero…. I havent had a headache since — your first reaction , and I fought not to do it was take Tylenol or ibuprofen–which just breaks down your gut feeding the problem.. I used wet ice cold wet towels and ICE PACKS..

      The only headache I had was drinking some beer with some buddies recently and that was because I had alot and made up for 2 years of not drinking :) I now can drink but never do. As I want to accurately document my testing. but all these guys I drank with drink all the time…I drank as much as they did , the next day I was no where nearly in as bad shape as them….I did POP a large probiotic an extra one before bed thou..

      You know the vitamins and minerals are import — in all of my testing probiotics etc vit d3 , b complex , zinc carnosine( a tip for the ulcer people) vit C , fish oils , krill oils— it comes down to whats in it.. If your immune system is weak or crashed — your doc says take vitamin D3 (the problem 98 percent of them are soy) so you took the vitd3 but just infected yourself as your immune system cant handle soy– same with other vitamins. In the start I took all of them like your reading the problem they really were not doing any thing, because after doing advanced immune system testing –I was reacting to soy, grains, milk, rice and starches… well thats whats in 90 percent of vitmains . I searched all of them and found sources free of them…My immune system was able to rest and repair itself I took out all the the allergens. Today , I know 70 percent of what bugged me doesnt bother me anymore. I know SOY is a no no for me….. all the others seem ok , but I follow up ELISA /ACT BIO soon and time will tell, then a follow up with enterolab I will be able to compare what a year has done.,.. At my worst if I ate soy or a potato my nose would bleed….

    • Lucky Grams on September 23, 2014 at 14:41

      Not sure if anyone answered this, but they have a program thru your PCP called fast track or something like that, where you only pay $99. The dr. fills out a portion of the form, you include the $99. I had it in Jan. and plan to do another one as soon as I have enough time on RS. I would love to share the results of the pre and post RS with all of you and Dr. BG/Grace if it will help anyone.

      They have added about 50 more items they test for in the GDX 2200.

      I wish I had the words to express how grateful I am for Richard, Tatertot, Grace and many others on this blog. You are angels!!

      I am not a saavy blogger, but I will share some of my story when I finish reading all of the blogs and feel I can really contribute. That’s about all I’ve done for a few weeks :), but I am always behind. I know this post is over 2 months old…see??

      Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

  12. Rita Weasel on June 4, 2014 at 13:14

    I saw that oats were listed as a good source of Oligosaccharides. I haven’t been eating oats because I thought grains were a no-no. Would oats be a good thing to add back into the diet? I never get the processed, sugary kind, but is there an ideal way to eat the oats – raw? cooked and cooled?

    • Ellen Ussery on June 4, 2014 at 14:27


      I have’t eaten grain for 15 years but on this RS journey have started making Meusili a couple of times a month. So far it seems to cause no problems and I enjoy it. This will feed two or three people

      Soak 1 cup extra thick organic Bob’s Red Mill oats
      In 1 cup water plus 2 T whey or lemon juice overnight or even 24 hours

      Mix with any or all of the following and eat raw,

      1 apple grated
      Chunks of frozen, the defrosted breen banana
      1/2 tsp cinnamon
      Chopped nuts, seeds etc
      Coconut shreds
      Yogurt, kefir or coconut kefir

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 13:54

      I don’t know the answer to your specific questions. Oats are high in beta glucans. Barley is even better. I don’t eat risotto, but I eat hulled barley, black barley, and purple barley several meals per week. My favorite is a pressure cooked risotto (20 minutes!). I’ll eat that with fish, and then put the leftovers under sunny Sid up eggs for a few breakfasts.

      The research on beta glucans is pretty strong.

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 17:55

      Umm, I don’t eat oats. I do eat risotto. Sorry for the error.

  13. diane on June 4, 2014 at 14:25

    Wilbur – can you give the actual measurements you use in your concoction and if you have time, the reasons for each one. I have been “doing” potato starch for the past six months myself and I am finally as close to regular as I have ever been. I do feel like something is missing though. I am the product of two medical doctors and at least 20 rounds of antibiotics throughout my childhood so I know my gut flora are screaming for help! thanks!!!

    • Wilbur on June 4, 2014 at 19:12

      I don’t have actual measurements. For one, I just eyeball things. A Tbsp is a large rounded spoonful, which is probably more than a real Tbsp. You get the idea.

      Second, I vary things from day to day. I’ve been eating more dandelion greens lately, high in inulin, and too much inulin affects me adversely. So I make my scoop of inulin powder much smaller, or skip. If I eat a green banana, I might reduce potato starch.

      I understand where you are coming from. I had similar issues when I started pushing things. How much? What ratios? It was tatertot and Mr. Heisenbug who pointed out that I was in unchartered territory. The answer is unknown. I believe I now know the answer – the gut bugs tell you. I think that they tell you what food you need for yourself, and what food they need for themselves. I develop cravings and aversions for fibers. It’s completely crazy.

      And as far as why I take certain fibers, I think it is better for readers to search pubmed

      My interest cardiovascular, and many Of the fibers I take are correspondingly beneficial. Other people may have different concerns, and may benefit from different fibers. I don’t know. I don’t have different concerns. It doesn’t make any sense for me to make recommendations to people who are seeking other results.

  14. Ellen Ussery on June 5, 2014 at 04:52

    I am confused. Eddie says that he needed to raise his gut pH to improve, yet Grace and Tim have been talking abot the benefits of lowering it

    From Grace ‘s blog——>High stool pH indicates a lack of both colon fermentation and butyrate flooding the colon. More and more studies are showing that stool pH can be a reliable marker for colorectal cancer (Walker et al 1986; Newmark, Lupton 1990).

    • Ellen Ussery on June 5, 2014 at 07:46

      Thanks, Eddie.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 06:26


      When I was sick I was a 5 today I am a 7… I have been doing a large experiment myself and have lost all my docs there is a fine line here LOW LOW acid is bad and to high ACID is bad GRACE can answer this better but you shouldnt be over 7.8 PH or far under 6 ….. I am a 7.0 last check I also have almost no LaCTOBACILLUS OR ENTEROCOCCUS in my last test.. I have good BIFIDOBACTERIUM for me im seeing in my testing I think you all are dead on that LaCTOBACILLUS eats RS , but I dont eat really any RS ..but lots of inulin — my BIFIDOBACTERIUM and akkermansia seem good. The akkermansia eat the inulin real food inulin … theres a fine line on the PH I would shoot for a goal of in the mid 6’s to high 6’s let grace talk here!!!! My crohns and ULCER colitis is gone my Lysozme is only 97 now before it was a 1310 normal is below 600 my lactoferrin score is now a 0.5 normal is lower than 7.3 before I was 15.8 all my SHORT CHAIN ACIDS are now in range but my Butyrate is a little low .63 normal .8 to 3.8 is good total SCFA’s 4-14 range is good im in the lower part right now.. Im big on tests and documented my life from sick to good now 2.5 years , you name the test Ive most likely done it more than one time… Id love to share some of my data —with GRACE

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 5, 2014 at 14:37

      Thx Eddie for all of your comments. You are sharing brilliant pearls of hard earned healing. I hope many read your thoughts and insights.

      The sweet spot for pH depends on context but presuming a healthy context, no parasites, then 5.8 – 6.5 imho is ideal. I got this from data on healthy native African children and adults with absolutely no chronic diseases or colorectal cancer.

      Ellen ~Either extra high or extra low pH is not good. In IBS and IBD like Eddie’s case, pH was indeed too low caused by yeasts combined pathogenic bacterial fermentation.

      Think of a massive Coors factory polluting up all the natural resources around it — spewing garbage into land fills and the air/water which aren’t recycled or handled correctly, no?

      Compare with a biodynamic winery that produces award-winning vintages? Imagine a winery which recycles everything including kitchen scraps for earthworm compost, back to the ground, and uses manure from neighboring healthy goats and chickens or even bats. A few hives of bees, and no pesticides, arsenic based fungicides for the grapes, or nasty commercial pheromonal insecticides that kill bees and other bystanders. Bees pollinate 80-90% of our food and crops. We’re dead without bees (or bats which eat insects). Every animal and insect and microbe enjoys the fruits of this winery. That’s a healthy gut too.

      You know gardens! I wish I had better analogies — sorry — that’s my inept attempt ;)

    • Richard Nikoley on June 5, 2014 at 14:55

      I’m disappointed you didn’t use the word guano, Grace.

      Very disappointed. :)

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 6, 2014 at 16:00

      lol I love guano. And the bats (which are the pollinators of agave for tequila). No guano, no go…

    • Duck Dodgers on June 6, 2014 at 17:44

      Eddie, it’s been well documented that Candida albicans is a dimorphic fungus. It can either exist as a benign yeast or it can be a pathogen in its filamentous form.

      Candida becomes very literally switches to its pathogenic (filamentous/hyphal) form in an alkaline environment and will go back to benign in an acidic environment. It’s like a light switch. It has a growth gene that is triggered by its environment.

      You can find a slew of studies supporting this observation here:

      Fermenting SCFAs makes a more acidic environment in the gut that switch Candida into a benign yeast state. In fact, these SCFAs themselves have powerful effects on candida.

    • Duck Dodgers on June 6, 2014 at 18:19

      Also, the recommendation to avoid sugar when one has a candida/fungal infection is a very good one. Candida loves sugar.

      However, avoiding all carbs is not a very good idea when fighting candida. Candida and fungi are eukaryotic organisms, which means that they have mitochondria that can absorb and metabolize ketones. Often it takes a few months for the fungal organisms to adapt to ketones, but once they do, they will use ketones as their primary fuel source and the alkaline environment typical of very low carb diets will only cause the candida to thrive in its filamentous/hyphal form.

      The best approaches that I’ve seen to fighting candida seems to be the Perfect Health Diet — and it was originally created as an anti-candida diet. Not coincidentally, the Perfect Health Diet supports SCFA production with hearty portions of fermentable complex carbohydrates that support the immune system and lowers pH in the GIT to switch candida into its benign form.

      For those wanting to know how to combat candida with Resistant Starch, here’s an excellent post on the topic.

      How to eliminate Candida & biofilms

      I believe the author overcame his long-standing candida issues in about 4 weeks once he added RS to his biofilm-busting protocol. YMMV.

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 7, 2014 at 15:43

      Thanks Duck~!

      Yeasts grow throughout the entire GIT. Using RS2 alone will not spread SCFA down the whole, entire GIT unfortunately. Even high doses of RPS in trials do not lower stool pHs. Several studies show this. This is the warning for readers why it is so important to use whole food and complement RPS with insoluble fiber so that the bulk with carry all fermentable fiber and be a scaffold for microbial activities that will increase acidity all the way to the gut terminus. (cellulose works! pigs or rodents had 3-5% cellulose (low fiber diet) and produced more SCFA and significantly lower stool pH)

    • eddie on June 7, 2014 at 18:15


      thank you for all the notes there,, I know all this and understand that, why I am documenting my life from sick to healthly

      Theres some spots I think there wrong on ….and thats the lining /barrier , I understand the ketones etc.. I eat almost no carbs– why i have no lacto bacteria

      but the yeast leave more and more what im doing , in testing , there not switching and coming back like they say , no sugar they will eat fat. My diet is tones of low starch veggies , meats fish etc fats.. its been 2.5 years.. I point to the gut lining and inulin , the comman area here with people here with all the RS . The RS is GOOD , i just dont think it is at first for the small few in the population that have gotten to the point i was at..Near death….. Now where I am , I think it will do wonders

      I havent really eaten sugar in over 2 years– I produce SCFAs in range.. when I was sick my stool PH was a 5 , today it is a 7 and theres no problem when I was a 5 my urine was very acidic

    • Duck Dodgers on June 8, 2014 at 19:35

      What can I say, Eddie. 2.5 years? Seems like a long time.

      Have you considered that there are easier/better ways to approach this?

    • Trillium on October 25, 2014 at 17:37

      I find Eddie’s journey with all this very interesting. I am glad he has spent so much time here sharing all the details.

      I have to say I get lost in the details. I have to agree with Duck Dodgers that there maybe a better cheaper short cut to all that Eddie has learned here and continues to learn on this. Duck Dodgers how do you think we should approach this? I am genuinely interested from a personal standpoint.

      Can we assume that if you have autoimmune conditions that you have higher populations of certain bacteria and fungus in gut & sinuses?

      What I am getting at is, many of these tests are rudimentary in what they test for and Eddie may just be gleaning just part of the story to this due to the limited information we have so far with research. But, I would say that perhaps the results or methods would be the same no matter what the labs say. Much like those who had gluten sensitivity but never tested positive but we knew gluten was causing problems just the same.

      I would love to see the Cliff Notes version of what we should do to eliminate fungus in the gut and sinuses. MY HMO is just worthless for asking for testing so any testing will come out of my pocket and I can’t afford a steep learning curve on all of this.

      How do we fast track this and avoid expensive testing that may or may not really identify all the culprits since they are still sequencing and identifying so many gut bacteria and may find new fungus as well? Or how they interact with each other and genetics. Let’s skip to the chase here. A way to do this that doesn’t make folks too ill as they are detoxing?

      Eddie I am not on Facebook but would love to email you : ) I have been on a similar journey and can relate to much of what you say. I would love to compare notes : )

    • Gemma on October 25, 2014 at 23:49


      You asked:

      “Can we assume that if you have autoimmune conditions that you have higher populations of certain bacteria and fungus in gut & sinuses?”


    • eddie on October 26, 2014 at 04:40

      The answer –and what I believe , from my families history of problems , what happen to me and returning to normal– and all docs have been lost is this. It amounts to your genes and an event that turns those genes on. As well you have bacteria and yeast that live in you.

      For me , Im starting to believe the HLA DQ 2/8 are really –a problem with FUNGI/yeast and GLUTEN…..Not just gluten. due to the Alpha and beta side to it…. Many fist become gluten intolerant, your doc has no answers and you can even test negative to all gluten tests. Then you some how have problems with milk, then soy…. if you dont resolve this it leads to starch..

      Yes its a leaky gut…For me I can do pizza , beer cheese ,some dairy again..Im fine I m eating plantian chips now- I eat tons of almonds and walnuts… IF you look at all th GI antibody tests they relate to yeast all in some way. IF your balance becomes off… antibiotics , loss of good bacteria– your yeast have a field day

      For me I find it odd that SOY was the worst for me– when my gut failed. I trip the the Chinese restaurant was hell– soy sauce is demented aspergillus. MIlk has cassien , which is like yeast. Gluten is like yeast due to the HWp1 protein. As DUCK is a different animal… because theres good bacteria in it that helps break down many of the milk proteins –one being cassien. Your store bought milk grass or grain just doesnt cut it. Then you have all the food has added Citric acid to it.. industrial citric acid is usually made from corn and aspergillus because its CHEAP. For me I had a problem with aspergillus and candida. Most food crops are loaded with aspergillus — corn grain etc due to storage etc.

      FOr me I find wheat an interesting USA wheat is 42 chromosomes, Europe wheat is 28 and 14. ALL 14 chromosome wheat Einkorn is miss the alpha side. Most 28 is as well.Some have it. To me this explains some of the odd things. Many with dental implants have candida problems. they use alpha titanium for the implant. Many get candida bio flim around the implant. Most rods for arms and legs they usually use beta titanium — some times both. Its all about how your genes relate to your own person bacteria/yeast makeup. To much or to little — may turn on or off your genes. For my own personal experience I have 5 or so gluten genes. to much yeast or fungi— from penicillian based antibiotics or food…puts me in a downward spiral. IF its low.. Im good if its high – problems arise.

      Theres no one answer for each person ;( sorry. testing everything can be a waste. Im doing it to prove a point , how broken and bad the system is. As well the failure to recognize yeast and bacteria. For me, getting the yeast down…and raising my lacto strains and bifido was key. with my own personal HLA DQ and DR genes.

    • Trillium on October 26, 2014 at 08:05

      hmmmm Thank you.

    • Trillium on October 26, 2014 at 08:41

      Well Eddie I think you bring up excellent points. I just ordered Prescriptive Assist from Amazon and going to give it ago. I have bought the Bob’s Red Mill RS before but because it was potato and nightshade which I have problems with tossed it after I had reaction. I also was concerned it was not organic but just GMO free. About a year ago I came across an interesting published paper from a Harvard professor.

      I do believe this may explain why so many autoimmune conditions have pain.
      Basically they thought that when bacteria enters a cut that it goes head on with immune system. It turns out it doesn’t. Instead bacteria hunts down neuron cells and triggers pain. Why was that? Because when the neuron cells are triggered and pain is caused it automatically causes the immune system to dampen down. Bacteria uses this strategy to take down immune system.
      I do think this may explain Fibromyalgia which is not classified as autoimmune and I don’t think it should be. I think it uses the same pathway via leaky gut where bacteria enters blood stream and goes directly for the neuron cells and triggers pain. Also Fibromyalgia patients have the greatest concentrations of pain in the upper torso. The pain is worse with sweet cheats supporting the idea that maybe those sugars are the ones feeding bacteria and increasing their numbers which end up entering blood stream and thus triggering pain where blood is being pumped to. When you are eating the upper torso is what is moving typically and blood is being shipped to. When you start looking at the different AI conditions you realize they have very similar issues and one of them is pain all over. I do have annoying AI conditions but not near death as you were. I think it might have something to do with my gut bacteria. Food particles enter my leaky gut and agitate immune system but the bacteria that enters the same way with the same meal also dampens it too. But I do have a lot of pain from Fibromyalgia. I am not an expert and maybe someone here can read this paper and see what types of bacteria cause the pain. Do all strains do this? If not, then we need to be careful how we change gut flora since it could impact whether you push yourself into a worse situation with AI?
      For those of us with AI what other type of RS would work better to avoid nightshade RS?
      I also have to avoid dairy too and it may just feed not only yeast but bacteria that causes pain. Are there any out there who have reversed their Fibromyalgia with PA and RS and their AI?

    • Trillium on October 26, 2014 at 09:50

      I just had an OMG moment with the whole citric acid thing. I would try to find better food options that didn’t contain citric acid because I knew it didn’t agree with me. I only dug up info it was made from a grain and assumed that was the issue but now I know they use aspergillus a fungi to make most of it. I had to move away from all processed foods because citric acid is used in so many things.

    • Duck Dodgers on October 26, 2014 at 10:23

      Hey Eddie!

      What are your thoughts on the anti-candida digestive enzymes (Cellulase, Hemicellulase, Xylanase, Beta-glucanase, and perhaps a little serrapeptase and/or nattokwinase to dissolve biofilms)?

      I totally thought I had cured candida last year, but decided to try the enzymes on the recommendation of my doctor who suspected I hadn’t gotten it all (and I remembered Gestalt had done well on them). Boy, did they clean me out! Here I thought I was already cured and the enzymes gave me all sorts of herxes and I felt sooo much better afterwards. Had no idea I even needed them.

      It would think that it would be hard for candida to become resistant to those enzymes. I mean, they literally digest the suckers wherever the enzymes go (and they supposedly enter the bloodstream).

      I know it’s hard to rank them, but if I had to look back, I might say the enzymes may have been one of the easiest and most effective anti-candida treatments I did. But, I only did them at the end of my battle. It makes me wonder if someone with a very mild candida infection might do well on just the enzymes alone. What were your experiences with them and what are your thoughts? No need to write a ton, just wanted to pick your brain. Thanks!

  15. Lori2 on June 4, 2014 at 15:50

    This question is off-topic but I don’t know where else to post it.

    Tatertot, you posted that you were waiting for dandelion seeds to plant in your garden. I was wondering, can I just go out and harvest the dandelion greens growing in my lawn? Is there anything special I need to know?

  16. HPSAUCE on June 4, 2014 at 16:15

    Just new here! Found you via Bulletproof podcast. So after low carbin since last August do you think I will gain huge amounts of weight by adding RS? I felt good for a while but do believe LC is NOT the way to sustain healthy weight. After eating 40 grams or more of RS for the last few days I am fine with only small amounts of wind. I actually feel less needy with food and am not very hungry at all. All this talk about dandelions has me wondering about the pigweed that I gather and eat from my garden. I’ve been unable to access two of the three recommended probiotics but I’m sure I eat some dirt on the roots of the pigweed (aka lamb’s quarters)and it’s delicious. So far I’ve been able to find Primal Defense but not PA or AOR#3 in Canada eh! Dave’s neighbor… in Alberta. A big thank you for what you are doing. It will improve many lives for sure and heal people’s relationship with food as well.

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 17:05

      You can eat Lamb’s Quarters? I guess I have something new for my salad. I also grow a nice ‘crop’ of horsetails. Impossible to weed out, but actually very healthy and full of silica.

      When I transitioned away from LC, I started by eating a serving or two of potatoes and rice, then added beans and more fruit. I gained about 10 pounds that first year, but I had dieted down to a weight that was unsustainable. The added weight was needed and it didn’t cause me to balloon out of control and didn’t appear to be the bad, visceral fat.

      I’d go with some starchy foods for a while, and learn to get tons of prebiotic plant fiber as you go. On days when you fail miserably, then go for the white powders.

  17. tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 16:42

    Lori2 – Sure you can. have been doing it for weeks. My grandfather did it his whole life. They are a bit of a pain…hard to keep grass out and require lots of cleaning. I wanted to try a special salad dandelion, but I’m actually concerned it’s not even a real dandelion breed.

    When I pick them from my lawn, I try to get the ones that haven’t sent up flowers yet and have a couple of unopened flower buds at the base–you’ll see. Eat the buds and all, even as much of the root as you can pull up.

    Here’s my recipe, passed down from Grampa;

    Cook 2-3 pieces of bacon until crisp.

    Remove bacon, mix 1/4 cup of vinegar (any kind) in with bacon grease and heat back up. Stir in a bit of sugar (any type) if desired.

    Toss dandelion greens in the hot grease/vinegar until slightly wilted.

    Serve with bacon crumbled on top.

    You’re welcome

    • Saraswati on June 5, 2014 at 05:52

      If you harvest dandelions, you should take a quarter of an inch of the root together with he leaves. The leaves stay attached to each other when you cook them. This is how I was taught to do, and I think it is most probably so that we eat a part of the root too. Maybe this is where most of the good stuff is.

  18. ADV on June 4, 2014 at 17:02

    ADV says:
    June 4, 2014 at 11:24

    I posted this on a FTA thread not as active as this one… so 2nd Hand Rose… :o)
    Bifidobacterium pseudocatenulatum

    Quote From this Website…

    It helps with the creation of Phytase in the human gut which helps with the handling of Phytic Acid from foods.

    Phytase is the enzyme that breaks down phytate. You can either use a supplement that provides phytase directly or consume a probiotic bacterium (Bifidobacterium pseudocatenulatum) that itself produces phytase.

    Phytase is present in the guts of ruminent animals, e.g. cattle, goats, sheep and deer. However, there is not much phytase present in the human gut, or indeed in pigs, which often get phytase supplements added to their feed. Phytase supplements differ in their effectiveness depending on 1) whether they can survive attack from our own stomach enzyme (pepsin), and 2) the strength of their phytate splitting activity(7).

    Phytase enzymes are not widely available outside of the animal feed sector.

    It is probably a better approach to use bacteria that make their own phytase, than take phytase directly. There is a probiotic strain of bacteria called bifidobacterium pseudocatenatulum that has been used successfully in some studies(8).
    End Quote…

    (8) footnote…

    I think we ALL want MORE mineral absorption with less effort and this specific Bifdo substrate seems to help with that due to increasing Phytase in the human digestion to a higher degree for better digestion and absorption of seed, nut, beans and good chocolate minerals…. :o)

    Anybody FIND a Probiotic supp with this in it please share…


    thanks… /ADV

    • tatertot on June 4, 2014 at 17:15

      Ah, yes…I’ve read about this guy!

      Bifidobacterium pseudocatenulatum is one of the well-known human gut species, the others being Bifidobacterium longum, Bifidobacterium adolescentis, Bifidobacterium pseudolongum, Bifidobacterium breve, and Bifidobacterium bifidum.

      B. animalis is also shown to be good for humans, but not normally found in humans. Also B. infantis, the baby bifido, can be good for adults.

      The only bifido I don’t like are the frankenfood types…Bifantis, Bifido regularis, and any other microbe with a trademark.

      I’ve never seen B. pseudocatenulatum in a commercial supplement, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

  19. Russell on June 4, 2014 at 19:13

    Hello everyone!
    Is there a protocol to recover from antibiotic use? My health is GREAT and I have to go through a scheduled surgery next week (broke my septum while playing soccer, and now I can’t breathe properly through my nose at night).
    The doc has already prescribed antibiotics; I wouldn’t like to take them, cause I feel literally perfect all the time. How should I approach this situation? Should I reduce the dose? Should antibiotics be taken along with prebiotics and probiotics to minimize the damage?
    I need ideas more than anything, because I don’t have other choice but to repair my nose.
    Keep up the good work,you guys rock!

    • Ellen Ussery on June 5, 2014 at 07:35

      Would you be able to do oil pulling during those five days? Might offer some protection.

      Another thought would be an essential oil like this one

      On a cotton ball or diffuser to purify the air you mouth breath.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 19:45

      make sure to get some good german sauerkraut (salt and cabbage only)… get a good probiotic
      and start taking it with your antibiotic… if you take the antibiotic two times a day take the probiotic two times a day…. Take the Probiotic 2 hrs after the antibiotic !!!!!

      get a good 7 to 10 strain one…..ASK others on here what they use.. Im not saying what I use is best , just best suited for my needs and what im doing. but I like all the RENEW LIFE probiotics I use this RENEW LIFE 50 billion
      *******just not more isnt always better.. you can make your self sick.. these come in 15, 20 30 50 80 200 billion…. what works for peter may not work for paul…. etc and as people say on here.. RS feeds some of the strains , as well INULIN…

      A MAJOR TIP for you—- while your on the antibiotics cut off and lay off sugar.. I would cut back on the MILK too when your on antibiotics the only thing that does not die is YEAST….. and all you need now is for them to become president. ….in your gut, sinus and ears… you end up in the BAD circle again you said about sleeping breathing etc

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 06:12

      Im lost as to why they would start you on them now before surgery ???? which one are you taking???? IF you dont have to take them I wouldnt …if you do( have to take –your doc has a reason) take a good 7 to 10 strain probiotic 2 hrs after each dose of antibiotics. 50 billion or higher

      No matter what your doc say s the antibiotics mess your whole gut system up..

    • Russell on June 5, 2014 at 06:30

      @eddie He actually prescribed them for the first 5 post- op days; the thing is I’ve been through a couple of surgeries in the past, took antibiotics -Clarithromycin mainly, because I’m allergic to Penicilin- and I wouldn’t like to compromise my gut flora so badly this time.
      I will have to breathe through my mouth the first five days after the surgery though because my nose will be filled with these tampon looking packs to keep the bone straight.
      I think I’ll try and reduce the Clarithromycin dose, or take them for a couple of days only.

    • gabkad on June 5, 2014 at 08:12

      Russell, probably not a good idea because the packing prevents the sinuses from draining.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 08:18

      Russell ,IF you can I would do the oil pulling coconut oil or something… I did this during my phase of really rebuilding my gut…(sinus and gut go hand and hand) I have looked at many angles.. of this gut thing… I noticed I slept with my mouth open.. when you do this you dont get the right oxygen when sleeping..I was like this as my nasal areas were blocked up. In my eyes fungus( as the mayo clinic said in the 90’s 90 percent of sinus issues are fungus related yet docs –give antibiotics and steroid inhalers- temp fix to reduce inflammation ..once I treated my self on diet-( and nose ) , Bacteria and fungus can live in your sinus ,ears and GI tract.. Fungus is never looked at. Why I say many re infect there guts from nasal drip.. and this happens alot at night.. hence when you wake up hacking crap out in the morning– sleep with your mouth open makes this worse( air is not flowing and things begin to grow/ dry out etc. I spent a year and a half fixing my gut and 11 months my sinus they are both tied together( no matter what some of these @ss clown docs say). I oil pulled coconut oil( this will pull up stuff from lungs and out of your sinus area. , used grapefruit seed extract in my nose and olive leaf spray.. both bacteria and fungus killers. once my nose stopped running about 7 to 8 months one side 11 or so the other i could breathe. Then I used a piece of medical tape to tape my lips at night to sleep.. Trained my self to close my mouth when sleeping. You can read about this on the web.,.. many with Sleep apnea use a C pap machine to sleep it forces air down there nose and closes the mouth.. they never get to the root of the problem they are congested and snore–but get the air…I snored so loud before everyone laughed.. i was on this path..I would chock in my sleep I sleep great — nose is clear no snoring and gut is good.. I point to fungus in the nose. If I were you I would buy SEAGATES oliveleaf nasal spray and use it in your nose once it has healed up and not bleeding ( due it for a couple weeks) it is a good fungus and bacteria killer

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 08:19

      do the oil pulling as well once the packing is out

    • shah78 on June 5, 2014 at 11:26

      Is your septum actually broken(fractured) or do you have a deviated septum. A good Rolfer, Neuromuscular therapist or neurosomatic therapist can fix this problem with a very knowlegable Pinky finger. Yes aPINKY FINGER….. No blood, no metal surgical implements, no infection, no antibiotics. NO MEDICAL THEATRICS.! I’ll help you find a good local therapist if your interested.

    • Russell on June 5, 2014 at 18:30

      @shah78 well the septum is broken now, and on top of that I’ve had a deviated septum for many years product of many small injuries and incorrect breathing that made it worse afterwards.

      @eddie thanks for the long response, and more so for the reference to oil pulling, I had never heard of that technique before, ever. It makes sense and it coincides with my theory that sinus issues are directly correlated with gut dysbiosis. Had both for many years, and when I managed to breathe properly -after a VERY necessary tonsillectomy- my gut healed and felt a whole lot better without any added help. The thing is that I’d managed to correct this horrible habit of mouth breathing at night until this happened last week, so I must go through this surgery because I’m really not willing to go back to sleeping terribly and waking up depleted of energy.

      I want to state very clearly that if it wasn’t for this accident, I wouldn’t be even thinking of improving my formerly superb health . I think I’ll do the oil pulling thing after getting the packs out and try and reduce the amount of antibiotics I take, while I incorporate a good amount of every pre- and probiotic I can lay my hands on. Does that make sense? Do you think I should do anything else pre- or post-surgery to minimize the damage to my gut?

      Thanks for the responses guys, I really really appreciate your help!

    • Russell on June 6, 2014 at 05:41

      @Ellen Ussery Thank you very much for that link! And for mentioning oil pulling! I’ve started yesterday morning and so far so good, though I’m afraid I won’t be able to do it the first 5 post-op days… anyway it’s a great tip and I’m sure it’ll come in handy later on!

    • Russell on June 6, 2014 at 08:29

      @eddie I started with oil pulling and noticed immediate positive results. Thanks for bringing up the topic of yeast, it makes a lot of sense, having myself suffered from sinusitis for years on end. Next week I’ll recover a lot quicker if I stave off those little buggers.

      You rock eddie!

    • eddie on June 6, 2014 at 15:07

      This is for RUSSELL , GRACE and RICHARD ,

      A link I have dig out , that pointed me to my gut—from 1999 and never really focused on , yet the ENT’s give you antibiotics still … WHY???? they dont even culture anything

      As I cleaned up my gut , I also clean up my sinus –as other studies show you re infect your gut from nasal drip!!!! LIKE RUNNING AN ENGINE with an OIL leak. For me I worked hard on the nose and sinus… while first working on the gut lining (inulin , glutamine etc) then attacked the gut with stuff to kill bad bacteria, yeasts . Used all these tests I talk of to zero in and be specific, to target areas with drugs anti fungals etc and PROBIOTICS to raise low areas…and now hopefully some starch –for the LACTO bacteria

    • Grace/Dr.BG on June 6, 2014 at 16:22

      Thx Eddie again. Yeasts and candida are big modern health problems yet most individuals are either subclinical or ‘asymptomatic’ yet their sinuses, guts and brains are dripping with yeasts and their noxious aldehydes and alcohols which are neurotoxins, as well as triggers for causing cravings — food binges, alcohol, drugs, etc.

      For me I use the GDX stool/urine testing because some of the others fail at identifying or quantifying the fungal component of the gut because yeasts do not easily culture, especially at the pathogen stage. The wonderful thing about a diet foundational in fiber, RS and SBO probiotics is that yeasts can be gradually crowded out (particularly after weeding, as you’ve so successfully accomplished on your own).

      SBO probiotics make chemicals that are dissolve biofilms. So they’re biofilm busters.

      But they need to be fed and inulin/OS aren’t enough. Soil based organisms thrive on both complex carbohydrates and resistant starch, the fuel that both our hominid ancestors and co-evolved gut bugs thrived on.

    • Russell on June 6, 2014 at 17:41

      Researchers Show Chronic Sinusitis Is Immune Disorder; Antifungal Medicine Effective Treatment

      A 2004 study that is sort of a part 2 of the 1999 Mayo Clinic link, involving “a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind pilot trial using the fungicide Amphotericin-B applied intranasally”.
      The study found that applying the antifungal gel to the inside of the nasal cavity reduced inflammation and swelling in 70% of patients tested. Of course to avoid relapsing into that same pattern of chronic infections probiotics might be the key.

      The evidence might seem clear, but after almost 15 years this still hasn’t filtered through to common medical practice. Just take a look at the list of most common treatments for sinusitis on ( ) . First on the list is antibiotics. Next up are decongestants to relieve nasal congestion, analgesics to relieve any pain and finally corticosteroids to reduce inflammation.

    • Russell on June 6, 2014 at 17:55

      I read about this fungi-sinusitis relationship before, now that I recall:

      Strong humming for one hour daily to terminate chronic rhinosinusitis in four days: a case report and hypothesis for action by stimulation of endogenous nasal nitric oxide production.

      “The major part of NO found in exhaled air originates in the nasal airways, although significant production of NO also takes place in the paranasal sinuses. (…)
      Nasal Nitric Oxide is known to be increased 15- to 20-fold by humming compared with quiet exhalation. NO is known to be broadly antifungal, antiviral and antibacterial.”

      Which means that if you develop chronic sinus infections (possibly due to dysbiosis or just bad breathing habits), you will eventually start breathing through your mouth and won’t generate NO to fight off the fungi. And then they move to the gut and before you know it they are everywhere.

    • eddie on June 7, 2014 at 17:49


      I have played with alot of things in 2.5 years—-olive leaf, grapefruit seed extract oil of oregano , caplyric acid , pau d’arco tea, ginger tea, echinacea tea, mint, Rooibos , coconut oil, tea tree oil, ketoconazole cream , neem,BATRAFEN/KITONAIL nail lacquer , many spices and herbs , sprays for nose –grapefruit seed extract, oil leaf EAR—grapefruit seed , tea tree oil, coconut oil , antifungal foods , diflucan and nystatin drugs.. and many other things…..
      Where my case is different I ate a REAL strict diet while doing all this… NO SUGAR at all no beer , no grains , almost no starches no fruit , if i did it was lemons limes small blue berries RARE.. I understand all of the ketone thing, I took 2 RENEW life probiotics daily morning and night. —later cutting back to one.. I ate the same foods for 1 month to 3 months at a time—while I tracked the results in testing (advanced testing) I attacked everything– starting like this..

      1)I felt the first was—finding the foods that screwed with my immune system BLOOD/FECAL
      2) close the gut off…. nystatin — glutamine — zinc carnozine for ulcer sores . TONS of INULIN.
      3) Then attack sinus hard— to keep from re infecting my self –nose sprays –grapefruit seed, olve leaf, coconut oil
      4) attack right ear— after 1.5 years a bioflim thing fell out of my ear.
      5)attack the gut herbs spices foods , all the above I talked about
      6) attack the blood–my joint pain –as I already closed the gut off… neem , diflucan and other things.
      as I state before, things started happening to me , some I never had seen in my life….I took photos of my eyes , my hands , toes , skin , mucus in stool…. other things GOT WORSE, nose bleeds, hemmroids bleed more, I got a fistula , (like my body flushing out all—super headaches. At times I had what looked , like blobs jelly fish come out.. I told my GI he laughed at me… said it was just mucus… I had mucus come out for over a year,, same with my nose, it drained 7 months one side 12 months the other… then it stopped,… I understand yeast live in the gut too and become pathogenic , so do many bacteria Clostridium and others..
      My point is today im fine and have stayed fine… I know inulin has been a man factor.. I believe crohns , colitis , diabetes , ibs is centered around yeast that have become pathogenic deep in the intestines. For me i think this happens when the akkermansia bacteria is lost. allowing the yeasts to get in. Now that my lining is so good , I dont think the yeast much…. the other bacteria are second hand –and are important — and are the ones that block yeasts, and produce vitamins minerals… that are pulled in from the lining VILLI……-I HAVE ZERO LACTO bacteria.. so im not convinced all the hype on this one…now bifido yes .. I look at studies…if i remember right the HAZDA trbe dont really have much..LACTO i could be wrong. My stools are now large, im not constipated .. there soft
      My main bacteria now is
      Genus Bacteroides 37.3
      Genus Parabacteroides 20.1
      So I know i am a mystery —
      I treated for yeasts as all my research on all these diseases when you jump to the dark side— show high antibodies to AMCA or ASCA first before –all what I call the secondary problems(bacteria) which we see gets worse from doctors f-ing with you with antibiotics.

      My crohns and colitis is gone –I say cured– but all the addicted immune drug people on IBS , crohns etc sites say your only in remission. I dont think so, as un like all these I treated the my documented cause yeast and didnt use drugs ( to turn off my immune system)
      If you gave me someone– and they had the money and strict will im sure they could do what Ive done….. I dont ever see science pointing to yeast– they dont want to.

      I wonder if anyone on this site has cured crohns with RS?????

      I think these people(like the way I was) the yeast are eating it over the bacteria.. RS is important and will be import to build back bacteria, in my ears LACTO if your not as screwed up as I was , I think the general population the RS / and inulin can feed the bacteria from keeping you from ever getting sick in general . Now im over the hill , and more avg, I think the RS will benefit me greatly

      the problem , I want to document what happens to me, I first have to do the ELISA ACT BIO, to make sure I am not having response first to starches(like I was over a year ago) I test again in july… then I will redo the enterolab test aug or so to see if the reactions in fecal have left to corn, rice, starch and grains..and milk—– SOY ill never be able to eat from what ive noticed

      From there, im all in and will report fully what happens to me , eating what ever is recommend … Sorry for the long message,,,

    • eddie on June 7, 2014 at 17:52


      google CAPLYRIC ACID add this in every couple months for maintenance

    • eddie on June 7, 2014 at 18:06

      Russell ,
      My whole point— you see you would be surprised you can get nystain on ebay from over seas
      Many other diseases– theres a fungus link diabetes / they have high antibodies to yeast but they dont treat it that way,
      Same with crohns in many cases… for me I feel its the cause and the bacteria is the secondary infection , just like your nose and the study
      Just from all the thousands I have spent and documenting it clearly(testing) and eating structured for 2.5 years

    • eddie on June 7, 2014 at 20:03

      Your last sentence ****** First on the list is antibiotics. Next up are decongestants to relieve nasal congestion, analgesics to relieve any pain and finally corticosteroids to reduce inflammation.
      NOW look at the GUT— IBS, CROHNS, COLITIS
      :) you see where im going what do they do??
      first antibiotics, immune drugs/ acid blockers and steroids for inflammation

      and what do you have , the same problem mucus , like Sinusitis the problem really never goes away , just like sinus — decongestant mask the issue

    • Russell on June 8, 2014 at 07:20

      @eddie Actually most, if not all the things prescribed by doctors mask the issue in the case of Yeast infections, I think you’re right and it makes a lot of sense when you connect the dots…

  20. HPSAUCE on June 4, 2014 at 19:18

    Besides lamb’s quarters I also have radish sprouts I was just eating about an hour ago when a tornado caught us by surprise. Only about one mile away from us when it touched down. Took our heavy duty trampoline across the field and across the road into the ditch and a heavy set of wood stairs flipped end over end across the yard.. WOW!! Never a dull moment around here. Ya, I’ve gained about ten pounds over the last few months while eating a bit more fruit and starch. I think I’m through the worst of the gaining now. Numbers aren’t the important thing for me anyway. If I feel good that’s what matters. I’ve been doing the potato starch for a few months already and have even dried some green plantains.

  21. HPSAUCE on June 4, 2014 at 19:21

    I just picked and dried a batch of fresh nettles. I’ve heard it’s best to get the plants when they are very young otherwise they are hard on the kidneys. So I pick in May and and in September. Choke cherries are huge on my list of fantastic foods and I make some hootch with them as well as freezing them for winter use. Drying them also makes them less astringent tasting.

  22. Thomas on June 5, 2014 at 04:53


    Where do you get your l reuteri?

    • Wilbur on June 5, 2014 at 06:29

      KAWAM and Thomas

      It ain’t cheap

      I’ve only been taking it for a few days, so I don’t think I have anything to report yet.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 06:30

      i looked this up in the past… there are probiotics with this…this has it alone but im not too keen on rapeseed oil— as yeast eat it heres an example

    • KAWAM on June 5, 2014 at 06:24

      Thomas, and with apologies to Wilbur for asking the same question earlier, before using Der Google — AMAZON! (Of course.)

      Huge variety of l reuteri available at Amazon, AND — you can support Richard at the same time.

    • Wilbur on June 5, 2014 at 06:36

      I am not sure that the one Richard links is L reuteri. It says Primadophilus reuteri. Same thing? The one I linked says it is used often in clinical studies. The company’s website is useful.

    • KAWAM on June 5, 2014 at 06:48

      Wilbur ~ the “primadophilus” reuteri are listed in the ingredients blurbs as lactobacillus reuteri, across a spectrum of brands. Haven’t researched whether that’s a truth-in-advertising violation.

    • eddie on June 5, 2014 at 07:57

      let me know how it goes I was thinking to add this probiotic to my mix im not keen on RAPESEED OIL thou — I saw your gray hair comment , I have alot of gray and thru this whole ordeal of building my stomach back up…I too seem to have less gray I have to large patches on each side of my head the back is now very dark , strange …for a laugh i wanted to add this one in to you talk about

    • Briterian on June 5, 2014 at 20:29

      What is the magic to the gray hair reduction? Getting a bit lost in some of these comments.

  23. Thomas on June 5, 2014 at 08:56

    @Wilbur & KAWAM

    Thank you both.

  24. tatertot on June 5, 2014 at 16:38

    You guys remember Steve Cooksey the Diabetic Warrior who did a bunch or RS experiments last year, right?\

    He just wrote a nice blog on eating Wild Dandelions!

  25. Wilbur on June 6, 2014 at 14:39

    Tatertot –

    In case you have not seen it, here is a study on point:!divAbstract

  26. Ellen Ussery on July 7, 2014 at 10:21

    We just made our first harvest of Malabar spinach, which I see is full of soluble fiber and the stems are very mucilaginous.

    • tatertot on July 7, 2014 at 11:31

      So far my garden is producing 4 kinds of colored lettuce, collards, kale, radishes, and green onions. Soon to appear: peas, beets, carrots, tomatoes, ground cherries, leeks, green beans, potatoes, and cabbage. The tiger nuts all sprouted and look very ‘weedy’. Can’t wait to see what the produce.

  27. megan on July 15, 2014 at 20:54

    I’m hoping someone can explain what the consideration s are with RS in regards to SIBO and/or FODMAP issues? I’m trying to work on SIBO, IBS, leaky gut, FODMAP sensitivities and many food intolerances. The reason for my confusion is that these RS foods seem inappropriate for SIBO. For the longest time I was having diarreah daily, AND noticed giant belly when I eat anything with starch. I added some RPS and psyllium husk to my day and immediately BMs normalized (tho still happen too frequently). However I still get the giant belly by the end of each day. I’m skinny so it’s pretty apparent that it’s not normal. Anyway, a round of antibiotics did nothing for the SIBO and I did try most of the things in your SIBO list. I’ve been adding cooked/cooled potatoes and white rice and sweet potato, and added a round of SBOs but I still can’t beat the bloat. How am I supposed to address SIBO when the protocol causes bloating? It seems like it’s just feeding the SIBO. Also can you please direct me to the diet one should be on for SIBO.. Is it strict paleo plus the RS? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I experimented a few days eating mostly meat and fat to avoid the bloat. It works, but leaves me feeling really horrible otherwise (super low energy).

  28. Anonymous on August 23, 2014 at 12:31

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  29. Fred Sonoma on June 23, 2015 at 14:49

    No idea if this is really even relevant: but supposedly carb fermentation can increase anxiety / aggression? (possibly only if gut is fukered or other conditions??)

  30. Lynna on November 1, 2015 at 06:43

    Im wondering if Yacon powder in drinking water for birds…would act to prevent ( gut bugs)….which is a reaccuring problem for some types of birds.

  31. Lee on September 18, 2017 at 02:25

    Hei. Can someone enlight me. I understood from Dr. Grace email that RPS, RS2 raw potato starch feed bad bacteria. Now I very confused and worried because I have been supplementing with Bob’s Red mill potato Starch.

    • Richard Nikoley on September 18, 2017 at 08:51

      That’s easy. Grace eschews any gut idea that helps people but didn’t originate with her, especially where Tim and I are concerned. I dismissed her long ago. Complicate, obfuscate, and pretending she can diagnose stuff she can’t possibly know it the mode of a “Godess.”

  32. Lili on November 29, 2017 at 01:02

    Question about probiotics. I bought Elixa, I wonder if I can take first in the morning the elixa as it is advised and then eat normal including potato starch. Thanks

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