Adding Human Growth Hormone (HGH) to Testosterone (TRT) Regimen—The Details

— From my Canadian friend, to an Iraqi friend, to a sexy Thai pharmacist, to Chatbot Zon: I get advice

“Explore a unique, first-hand account of adding Human Growth Hormone (HGH) to a Testosterone (TRT) regimen. Discover the process, effects, costs, and potential benefits from an individual perspective, challenging traditional medical advice while offering insights into the world of personal health experimentation.” — Chatbot Zon

I like details. Don’t you?

What I especially like are real, lived and experienced 1st-hand details from others, a comparison of notes, the application of logic and reason, then my own synthesis of a course of action…bounce it off those same others from whom I gathered details, adjust as necessary…then fire, fire, fire.

Monitor progress and results.

What I dislike is what most people do…are conditioned, trained, and indoctrinated to do…reinforced by a thousand messages per day: talk to your doctor!

‘Uh, ok, is he on TRT, HGH, or both?’

No? Then WTF?

I can Google; I can call up a thousand articles. I can have a discussion with Bing AI Search or my own Chatbot Zon, and she’ll give me a list of relevant references from journals and the medical literature, which I’m competent to read and understand.

… Yea, sure, maybe the doc has clinical experience in administering the thing, has seen some adverse stuff, etc.

I don’t discount that at all. I’m not against talking to a doc. Good additional data-point to include. Could be better, could be worse than other data points. Could make no difference and just be money wasted.

What I eschew is this:

  1. The notion that checking with an MD is essential and if you don’t, you’re fucking up. You might be, but it’s not an inviolable principle or absolute that you are.
  2. Worse, that it’s ok to go about this stuff blindly trusting absolutely in what a doc, or any other “authority,” tells you…especially those being literally paid to spout a party line to you.

(Regarding number 2, as bad as the Covidiocy jabs are and were, it turns out that in the case of the mRNA variety, people are just now learning that the formulations they were jabbed with were not the formulations clinically tested and approved…where they falsely claimed 95% efficacy when in reality, they have negative efficacy…meaning, hilariously, the more jabs, the more Covid infections people get, on average. The formulations people got were the cheaper-to-manufacture formulations I digress.)

On the matter at hand, you can also go right now and Google up any number of articles The 10 Things You Need To Know When Considering HGH Therapy.

Not 9? Not 11, or 12? Or, maybe someone condensed some x number of things into 5, or 7. It’s all just recycled bla bla that’s far disconnected from real people actually using, doing, and experiencing.

I’m different. I rarely, if ever, say do or don’t when I’m not doing or donting myself.

I previously covered TRT, which even includes a video demo by 58-year-old ripped and huge Dennis, my Canadian friend. In a subsequent post, I indicated my intention to also begin HGH and provided some details there, too. That info is still publicly available but won’t stay that way once I’ve lassoed enough people into membership, to get the blow-by-blow progress updates in the months to come.

Or, spend more than 50 bucks per year, and go talk to your doctor.

Up to you.

Bottom line: judge for yourself whether I’m passing on highly useful information vs. someone just regurgitating what they heard or read from an “authority,” which is increasingly a euphemism for drug-company sales representative.

My Bangkok-based HGH pharmacist, Aomjai

… A quick aside about Thai pharmacies. They are staffed by educated, licensed, and competent pharmacists (most speak English pretty well) and I’ve had nothing but good experiences. Pharmacies are all over the place. They’re local. When I say all over the place, I mean mom & pops, and you never have to go more than a few hundred meters in any direction in any town larger than a few blinks riding down Main Street.

It’s not uncommon to see one or more other pharmacies down or across the street, while walking into or out of yet another.

The vast majority of pharmaceuticals are distributed in this way, without an appointment or prescription. But the pharmacist will ask questions. They will give options. And, if you want some sort of OTC you’re familiar with by brand name in the States or elsewhere, they’ll know exactly what it is and set you up. An example for me, when I had Covid in spring of 2020 (I’ve had worse hangovers), was that Mucinex has always been great for me in breaking up mucous. A common OTC in the USA. I went into a pharmacy in Chiang Mai, she knew what it was, got me the active ingredient, and gave me a package of Tylenol to take with it (because Mucinex is a compound formulation with the active + acetaminophen).

Mark, one of the American-expat buddies I meet with every Sunday for dinner at Mike’s Mexican, is a PHARM D, a doctorate of pharmacology, and he has high praise for Thai pharmacists. So there.

Incidentally, the only pharma concoction I take is for BP, 2 of them. A month’s supply is around 5 bucks and when I need more, I just walk into any pharmacy and ask for 30 each of Enalapryil 5mg and Amlodipine 10mg. 200 baht, about.

(I wonder how many doctors-prescription renewal hoops I’d have to jump through after three years on the stuff, what those checkup appointments would cost, and what the meds would cost over there yonder in your Land of the Free I digress. But you know what my “checkup” is? When I run out, I go a few days, check my BP. Then I go get the refill, pay my 5 bucks, take the meds for a few days, check my BP again. Compare numbers. Yep, still need it. Go figure.)

I circle back to Dennis.

At this point, I had no idea how the dosage in the pen works.

Send her the before & afters, why not? She looks to be a 35ish, attractive Asian lady. Nothing ventured…

There’s more, but that was about the needles; or, mosquito stingers, I should say. The pen doesn’t come with those, which are screwed onto the pen, and you change with each dosing. They’re so short and thin they’re difficult to even see without my readers. Why I say “mosquito stingers.”

… Anyway, really easy. Oh, forgot to mention, the stuff needs to stay refrigerated. It came to me in a refer delivery truck and the package was cold.

So, once you screw on the needle and follow the 1st time procedure to make sure there’s a drop of substance on the tip, you operate by clicks. Twist click, click, click…which “cocks” the plunger to a pre-measured dose, you grab a pinch of belly, stab gently, plunge gently, hold 6 seconds, remove, discard the needle, and return it to your refrigerator.

What did I notice?

Well, of course, you always have to be mindful that you may be fooling yourself, so don’t hold the salt grains here. One of the things I’m sure was the effect of the TRT over the previous 2 weeks or so was a real turn-up in hunger. But it was a weird hunger. Persistent, more like a nudge hey eat than a gnawing, nauseating thing. Then, a couple of hours after the first HGH stab, hunger subsided, and I’ve consumed less food over the past fours days of taking a week off from the gym (which is confounding, I know).

Anyway, I asked Chatbot Zon, our own Free The Animal trained, resident ChatGPT-4 that members have unfettered access to both: here on the blog, or on our member’s Discord server.

When I want my convo to be public for members, I use her over on Discord, so they can see. I also do most of my Midjourney AI image-generation work there too, so folks can see 1st-hand and in-practice how I use AI as an actual tool for content that really shows up here—and not just bullshit “in-theory” wanking, like most of the crap out there I digress.

So.

Well, for months I’ve been harping about getting in on AI, and I provided the undisputed Cadillac (GPT-4) for members to mess around with (I had it open to the public for a while, but only haters wanted to use it to try and score dirt on me personally, LOL).

Few have done so, so I give up. I’ll just continue to post some of my own exchanges, see if anything sinks into thick skulls who finally come to realize they’re falling farther and father behind what the future brings.

Suit yourself.

… Oh, the other guy I talked to, Ahmad, my Iraqi gym buddy, does both and is pro-bodybuilder massive. Probably late 30s, early 40s. He’s short, like 5′ 6-7, but maybe 210# or so. Massive. And lean.

Nicest guy ever, which seems to be common among all these monster gym guys. He’s always got some or the other underling in tow, and always being an overweight or obese Middle-Eastern male, who he’s introducing to gym bust-ass discipline with lots of supervision and help.

It makes you wonder. Could it be that the indignation, scorn, nay-saying by most people are really just a projection of their own inadequacies…and now we have the online spectacle of being shitty to the whole world with particular emphasis on lambasting the good, effective, squared-away people who’re doing well (“…hatred of the good for being the good”—Ayn Rand)?

But then, someone busts ass in the gym and eats like a human instead of a kid in the kitchen, results happen, they begin catching glances, they’ve got their own receipts pasted all over their own bodies, and part of their transformation becomes that they chill and become nice, magnanimous, and gracious to others?

They feel good in their own skin. They know they’re good. And they’ve proved it, and they show it.

And what’s the result? Humility, grace, cheerfulness, and helpfulness…like a human I digress.

Anyway, ran into Ahmad last evening outside the gym, at the local Lotus Fresh, a cool little convenience store with self-serve meat (select and package your own cuts, weighed at checkout) and some fresh fruits and vegetables—frozen goods, too. Prices are only a bit higher. The convenience is superb.

I’m talking to Ahmad and he says be patient. It’ll happen, but both the T and the G take some time each, and some time to work together optimally. He prefers the G at night, says it makes sleep off the charts. I’ll stick with AM, for now, because that’s the preponderance of experience out there. But he said that since my primary goal is fat blasting, I should probably up from 2.4iu to 3 (5 clicks instead of 4). So, that I have done, as of this morning.

Finally, as to the cost, I’ve already outlined it in those previous posts linked above, but since dosage is now a bit different, here’s an update.

  • The T is 800 baht for a 10mL vial. At 1mL per week, that’s 10 weeks but we’ll see. Probably difficult to syrynge out that last 2mL. I’m calling it a cost of 11 bucks per month, call it 12 with supplies (needles and syrynges).
  • The G is “expensive” at 3200 baht per pen, refrigerated storage and shipping. At now 3iu per day, 7 days per week, that’s 15 doses, so 2 pens per month, plus 8 baht per needle x30. 6440 baht per month, 175 bucks.
  • Total: $187.00 per month.

The HGH might not be indefinite, though the T is generally for life. Will cross that bridge when I’m <10% BF, big, and strong sometime in my 63rd year, the starting line for that being about 4 months away.

How does that compare to costs in the various “Lands of the Free” people always talkin bout? I checked with the MaxAI.me Chrome addon for Google search running my own API (so GPT-4) and it said:

The monthly cost of TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) and HGH (Human Growth Hormone) therapy in the USA can vary depending on various factors such as the type of treatment, dosage, and the provider. Here is a rough estimate of the monthly costs based on the information from the provided search results:

  1. HGH Therapy:
    • The monthly cost of HGH therapy typically ranges from $550 to $3,000 or more, depending on the type of medication, dosage, and individual factors [5].
    • Legitimate companies may charge individuals around $1,000 to $5,000 monthly for injectable HGH, with the price varying based on the required dose’s size and brand of medication [3].
    • On average, US therapy patients can expect to spend between $600 to $1,500 per month on HGH therapy [6].
  2. TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy):
    • The cost of TRT can also vary based on factors such as the type of treatment, dosage, and provider.
    • Some estimates suggest that the monthly cost of TRT can range from $25 to $200 or more, but this can vary widely depending on individual circumstances and choices [1][2].

If we’re being generous and low-balling it, in Lands-of-the-Free places so vigilant about any THREATS TO OUR DEMOCRACY!!! that you hear the cautions and admonitions daily from hundreds of independent news sources, the cost at the lowest is estimated to be $600 per month total. Can anyone get it for that? … Because the range at the upper end goes to $3,200 per month.

Now, mind you, that’s for the same phamaceutical-grade stuff.

… Also, one only wonders what it would cost if say, America had both a politically-powerful monarch, and military, like Thailand does and thus couldn’t possibly be a Land of the Free anymore I digress.


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1 Comments

  1. MARK JOHNSON on October 8, 2023 at 01:53

    “It makes you wonder. Could it be that the indignation, scorn, nay-saying by most people are really just a projection of their own inadequacies…and now we have the online spectacle of being shitty to the whole world with particular emphasis on lambasting the good, effective, squared-away people who’re doing well (“…hatred of the good for being the good”—Ayn Rand)?

    But then, someone busts ass in the gym and eats like a human instead of a kid in the kitchen, results happen, they begin catching glances, they’ve got their own receipts pasted all over their own bodies, and part of their transformation becomes that they chill and become nice, magnanimous, and gracious to others?

    They feel good in their own skin. They know they’re good. And they’ve proved it, and they show it.

    And what’s the result? Humility, grace, cheerfulness, and helpfulness…like a human I digress.”

    Love the whole thing but especially that.
    And whats funny is just yesterday I was remarking to the wife how a few people in the gym I go (now day 22 on shred30 and that after almost a month of the basic AJ program) to have struck up conversations and been more friendly towards me than I would have expected (getting in their way on a couple machines/exercises, very pleasant and polite back and forth, friendly nods after etc). Is it becuase I’ve developed more strength and friendliness and chill myself that people are open to me? I dunno but even if it’s placebo it’s a great one.

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