Mike Rowe Having To Deal With Leftist-Feminist Fucktard Gillian Branstetter Is His Dirtiest Job Ever


A Copy/Pate dirty job, but it has to be done.


Last week’s post on the election is still making the rounds. Some people liked it. Some people didn’t. Here’s an article from a writer named Gillian Branstetter with a headline that caught my eye.


Hard to ignore a headline like that, so I won’t. Here’s the article, with a few thoughts interspersed.

GB: As long as reality TV stars replace our presidents, they might as well replace our pundits. At least, that seems to be the appeal of former Dirty Jobs host Mike Rowe. His latest take on the outcome of the U.S. presidential election is a doozy, too. Rowe, who has amassed a massive Facebook following for his down-home wisdom and charm, answered a fan question about the election by comparing Trump’s appeal to working-class America to his own.

Hi Gillian

Mike Rowe here, writer of folksy rants, etc. First, I want to assure your readers that their favorite pundits are safe – at least from me. I aspire to no level of punditry or public office. As for my overall “appeal,” well – there’s no accounting for taste…but I’ll take it!

GB: “Dirty Jobs said ‘Hey – we can see you,’ to millions of regular people who had started to feel invisible,” wrote Rowe in a viral Facebook post this week. “Ultimately, that’s why Dirty Jobs ran for eight seasons. And today, that’s also why Donald Trump is the President of the United States… Yeah, it was dirty job for sure, but the winner was NOT decided by a racist and craven nation – it was decided by millions of disgusted Americans desperate for real change. The people did not want a politician. The people wanted to be seen.”

This theme espoused by Rowe and others—that working-class voters responded to Trump out of economic frustration and not demographic resentment—is aligned with the same bootstraps mythology both Trump and Rowe exploit for their own gain. Both men rely on a folksy faith in hard work and ambition that simply doesn’t match the reality of most American workers, and they do so at the peril of the very people who serve as the foundation of their fan base.

MR: I believe a solid work ethic and a measure of ambition are essential ingredients to success, and readily available to anyone. Obviously, the desire to succeed and the willingness to work hard are not enough to guarantee success, but success without either is impossible. I also believe that any able bodied person can metaphorically pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. You call this belief a “myth,” and that puts us at odds over the importance of individual self-reliance. That’s fine, but to suggest that I have used this “mythology” to “exploit my fan base for my own gain” is a “doozy” of an accusation. I’ve exploited no one, Gillian. I run a scholarship program that rewards individual work ethic. I do so, because I believe work ethic is no longer encouraged to the degree it should be. We’ve trained about 500 people for a long list of good jobs, and I’m pretty sure none of them feel exploited.

Finally, “economic frustration and demographic resentment” are not mutually exclusive. I understand that racism, sexism, or all the other ism’s currently dominating the headlines are alive and well in this country, and I suspect they always will be. But I don’t believe our country is fundamentally racist. Millions of white people who voted for Barack Obama, just voted for Donald Trump. It makes little sense to accuse them of “demographic resentment.”

GB: This is not a surprising step into the political arena for Rowe, who runs a foundation to train workers for skilled labor and lobbies both institutions and political candidates to embrace infrastructure spending and skilled labor training. He’s written open letters to President Barack Obama in favor of such, and appeared with Mitt Romney during the 2012 election in a bid to advocate for worker training over four-year degrees.

“We’ve elevated the importance of ‘higher education’ to such a lofty perch that all other forms of knowledge are now labeled ‘alternative,’” Rowe told the Senate Committee on Science, Commerce, and Transportation in 2011. “In a hundred different ways, we have slowly marginalized an entire category of critical professions, reshaping our expectations of a ‘good job’ into something that no longer looks like work.”

MR: You got the quote right, but I have never argued in favor of training “over” four-year degrees – only that one form of education should not be positioned as subordinate to another. That’s an important distinction. Part of the reason shop classes vanished from high schools is because parents and teachers stopped encouraging students to explore those careers. Why? Because those careers became stigmatized. If your kid was on a vocational path, it was assumed it was because he or she wasn’t capable of anything else. That stigma is alive and well today. It’s called “elitism,” and it’s another dangerous “ism” that’s affecting millions of people. It’s also part of the reason college has become so expensive.

Our relentless obsession with “college for all,” combined with a seemingly unlimited pile of money from which to borrow, has allowed universities to charge whatever they wish. Over the last 40 years, the cost of a degree has increased faster than food, energy, real-estate, and healthcare. But we still pay it – partly because we’re convinced it’s an essential ingredient for success, and partly because the money is available to borrow. One day soon, we’re going to look back and wonder why we encouraged our kids to begin their lives with a massive student loan dangling from their necks, as millions of opportunities that require a skill in demand go unfilled.

GB: Rowe’s focus on so-called “shovel ready” jobs fits in well with President-elect Trump’s own plans to spend a trillion dollars rebuilding and updating the nation’s roads, highways, bridges, and airports. It’s the kind of job creation proposal Democrats and Americans have wanted for decades and promotes exactly the traditional blue-collar work so often romanticized by people like Rowe.

MR: What’s wrong with a little romance? For the last 40 years, our society has done a fantastic job of vilifying hard work while ignoring millions of good jobs that actually exist. That’s why we have a skills gap. People are simply not excited about learning a useful skill. Right now, employers are struggling to fill 5.8 million open positions. Meanwhile, the number of people out of the workforce but capable of working is approaching 100 million. For those who believe opportunity is dead in America, the skills gap is an inconvenient truth. Opportunity in America is NOT dead. However, the economic frustration is very real in the rust belt, because opportunity in some geographic areas has all but vanished. That’s why you shouldn’t paint with such a broad brush.

GB: If it’s the first time you’re hearing about Trump’s infrastructure plan, don’t be surprised. While Trump likes to promote himself as a builder, his supporters only seemed to have one piece of infrastructure in mind—a massive wall along the Mexican border. Trump supporters overwhelmingly support the proposed wall and it served as a greatest hit at Trump rallies, but the very idea of it disproves Rowe’s notion that economic anxiety is what comes first for Trump voters.

MR: Really Gillian? ALL supporters? Do you really believe all 62 million voters based their vote on a wall? Isn’t it possible that a reasonable person might have a legitimate concern about illegal immigration, support the building of a wall, look with suspicion upon “sanctuary cities,” and NOT be anti-immigrant? Isn’t it possible a reasonable person might want to see the existing immigration laws enforced and not be a xenophobe? If so, what would such a person do, when given the choice between a crude businessman who speaks offensively, and a career politician who promises to dramatically increase the flow of refugees from countries that foment terrorism? Isn’t it also possible that an immigration policy that’s actually enforced might have a positive effect on overall economic anxiety?

GB: While Rowe aptly points to education and skills training as the solution for poor Americans, Trump built his campaign on sheer exploitation of xenophobic skepticism of immigration and trade by poor white Americans. According to the Pew Research Center, Trump supporters blame both legal and illegal immigration for job loss and more closely associate illegal immigrants with illicit and violent behavior.

MR: It’s an interesting chart, but there’s nothing on there about legal immigration – only illegal. Besides, it’s a survey. A poll. A random sample. Given the recent and breathtaking inaccuracies of such things, do you really want to rely upon them now? With respect, I think that you and many others have your heads in a cloud of data. My experience on Dirty Jobs, though less scientific, was a lot more real. My conclusions are based upon that, and nothing more. Obviously, I could be wrong. In fact, I’ve gone out of my way to leave room for that possibility. Have you?

GB: Not only are illegal immigrants less likely to commit violent crimes than naturalized U.S. citizens, but illegal immigration doesn’t take away jobs from Americans who would otherwise take them at any scale that Trump claims. So while Rowe and others would like to imagine Trump is merely the figurehead of a populist uprising by hard-working Americans, he is actually the embodiment of misplaced and mistaken racial animosity.

MR: I don’t imagine Trump to be anything other than what he is – The President-Elect of the United States. But let’s assume for a moment you’re correct. Let’s assume he really is “the embodiment of racial animosity.” And let’s further assume the people who voted for him did so on that basis. If so, then I take it all back. We’re in terrible trouble. However – if you’re open to the idea that half the electorate is NOT really xenophobic, and if you’re willing to ponder the possibility that some other force might have compelled millions of Americans who previously voted for a black man to pull the lever for The Orange Menace, then maybe – just maybe – our country can move forward together.

GB: Job-training programs like those promoted by Rowe are a good start toward moving low-skill workers into the kind of sustainable jobs that the future holds. Rowe likes to talk about the skills gap in the context of old-fashioned “shovel ready” jobs, but most of the jobs that will be created in the coming decades will come from technology and IT sectors. Likewise, the real threat to the jobs of Trump supporters aren’t illegal immigrants but automation—a study by Oxford University suggests half the jobs in America will be computerized or performed by machines by 2025.

MR: Actually, I like to talk about all that stuff as well, and I have. At length. “Shovel ready” is not my term – that was made popular most recently by President Obama. I merely argued that filling those three-million “shovel-ready” positions he touted in 2008 would have been a lot easier if the country was more appreciative of people who work with shovels, as opposed to the “vocational consolation prize” mentality so often assigned to those jobs today. It’s tough to promote that which you don’t admire.

GB: Trump’s infrastructure plan rests on nostalgic ideals about craftsman and laborers—that the honor and grit of elbow grease alone can raise good people out of poverty.

MR: I’m not so sure that’s true, but again – I’m not privy to his marketing strategy. I just hope he has one. The skills gap proves that millions of good jobs can exist that nobody wants. Jobs, like anything else for sale, need to be sold. And if the President is really going to spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure, we’re going to need a skilled workforce a lot more robust than the one we have. Personally, I think honor and grit still matter, but I’ve been very clear that elbow grease alone is NOT enough to achieve any measure of success. There has to be an element of training, education, and desire. What’s really surprising though, is that such an obvious thing needs to be articulated today. Do you really suppose that Trump doesn’t think training and education are important, simply because you didn’t hear him spell it out?

GB: According to Trump and many of his supporters, immigrants are the only thing keeping Americans from reaching that aspiration. Trump stripped himself of the censorial, dog-whistle nature of politicians and embraced the xenophobia of some of his fans head on, calling Mexicans “rapists” upon throwing his hat into the presidential race.

MR: Even before he clarified those comments, I assumed that Trump was referring specifically to those Mexicans who come here illegally and commit rape. I did not assume he meant that all Mexicans are rapists. Likewise, when President Obama talked about people who “cling to their guns and their religion,” I didn’t assume he was talking about everyone who owned a firearm or worshipped a supernatural being. I figured he was talking about a much smaller group – specifically, those who’s entire worldview revolves around guns and religion.

It’s funny, how pundits will take a candidate’s comments literally when it suits them, and figuratively when it doesn’t. Again – I’m not making excuses for his phraseology. I’m just saying that I believe a lot of reasonable and rational voters made an honest determination that he was not referring to all Mexicans. But, I could be wrong.

GB: Americans deserve to be anxious about the fate of blue-collar work, but to ignore the way Trump has used racism as the cure is a disservice to the kind of workers Rowe promotes.

MR: “Deserve to be anxious?” You really do have an interesting way of putting things, Gillian. Anxiety is not a thing anyone “deserves.” It’s just a feeling, and like all feelings, it’s ultimately a choice. Sometimes it’s justified, sometimes it isn’t. But it has less to do with the facts in evidence, and more to do with what scares us as individuals.

You and I for instance, are both anxious about President Trump. I’m anxious because the man has never held office, he’s never worn a uniform, and he’s frightened millions of people with irresponsible rhetoric and bad behavior completely inconsistent with the leader of the free world. That makes me uneasy, no doubt about it.

You on the other hand, are anxious because you have taken everything he’s said at face value. Moreover, you seem to believe that everyone who voted for him did so because they agree with everything he’s said and done. Surely, you have to know how absurd that is. Do 60 million votes for Hillary Clinton means 60 million Americans approve of lying under oath, mishandling classified emails, and blatant “pay for play” shenanigans with her foundation? Of course not. I know many Hillary supporters who were disgusted by her behavior, and voted for her anyway. I know many Trump supporters who followed suit. You should take comfort in that. I’m not ignoring Trump or the things he said. But you – and many others – would have us believe the character of the country is no better than the character of the candidates.

And that’s enough to make anybody anxious.

Keep it folksy,


Look, it is a damn shame that someone like the great Mike Rowe, who’s promoted and engaged in some of the dirtiest vocational jobs on the planet—jobs that help make the world turn so that stinky cunts like Gillian Branstetter can have a bidet—have to do even dirtier jobs, like this.


  1. John H on November 16, 2016 at 13:02

    I agree with Mike that vocational education has been denigrated. When I was in high school (in the 80s), we lumped the vo-tech kids in the same group as the “burnouts”. (Looking back on it, I was an ignorant preppie asshole.) I went on to an ivy-league Computer Engineering degree, and have been a high earner in various tech jobs. But, I’m sick of the soul-sucking BS that we’re building most of the time. I look at a buddy of mine who’s an air-conditioning guy, and his life is full and simple and happy.

    I’m thinking about a second career as a machinist, but not sure any of the good guys would want to take on a 50 year old apprentice. I yearn to build real tangible things with my hands.

  2. Dan on November 16, 2016 at 14:09

    Agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly. Started in a trade/construction, moved into IT, did ok, gave me skills for entrepreneurial activities, never loved it, but have in the past yr been busy building the farm.

    Pastured eggs, Joel Salatin style. 500 chooks, 2000 more inbound, building things in the paddock, never been happier.

    @John H plenty of farmers would intern you if it was something that interested you.

    • Dan on November 16, 2016 at 14:10

      Im the guy on the left, the guy on the right is my first “one mind at a time” pay it forward, hat tip to you Richard.

      • Richard Nikoley on November 16, 2016 at 14:31

        No, shit?

        Are you plagiarizing right out there, verbally?

        If so, I can’t ever recall a more tear-jerking affirmation.

    • John H on November 16, 2016 at 14:53

      Awesome! My wife and I purchased our little patch (4 acres) a year ago, so I have been doing some projects on the homestead. I don’t think we’ll ever have that many chickens, but we are looking forward to supplying most of our own food eventually. We have a lot to learn.

  3. ramon on November 16, 2016 at 17:07

    There is always a shortage of good honest HVAC repairmen in the south. I am lucky enough to have found one, who is a woman, and a one person business….and word of mouth spreads. She has business all over my neighborhood now.

    Shortage of honest plumbers here too, got ripped off for $500 in a plugged pipe emergency by a corporate plumbing business…had a very hard time on the phone finding someone, would have loved to give a one man LLC $250 for 1 hour of work instead (I’m a chemical engineer, which is an advanced plumber and HVAC person, and I needed them..)


    • Richard Nikoley on November 16, 2016 at 17:15

      I always do it myself, Ramon. Unless it’s something I could do myself but prefer to hire and supervise very closely.

      Even if I hired someone to take out the trash or fetch my mail. I supervise.

      I have a question-asking skill, honed from years of listening to deck seamen lie to me out in the South China Sea.

      It translates.

      Ask hard questions, always. Look in the eye, and listen to the answer carefully. Save time and money.

  4. X on November 16, 2016 at 19:25

    The time is coming when we will not have to preface every single fucking point we make with “I’m not a racist”. I am so sick of Leftists with their endless, endless refrain of “racist, racist!”

    Of course they do that because it’s the only argument they have. The facts prove them wrong, so they have to resort to an argument that you are immoral if you notice certain facts. And they hold on tight to that argument because the day that it no longer fazes anyone, their power is gone.

    I am a white man and I don’t want white people to become a minority in the USA. It is very bad to be a minority. Always has been, all over the world and all through time. You are at the mercy of the majority.

    If it’s “racist” not to want to be in the minority, then I’m a racist, and fuck you for trying to shut me up with that. “Shut up and die, white man. Your time has passed. And if you dare complain, I’ll call you a racist and get you fired if I can find out who you are.” That’s what we hear, basically, over and over and over.

    White men, stop apologizing over and over for wanting to look out for your interests. No one is going to give a shit about you if we ever become a minority. No one is going to look out for white people except white people.

    • Richard Nikoley on November 16, 2016 at 20:28

      And interview was just published of Donald Southerland, bemoaning his shame for being white.

  5. Sheena Hunt on November 17, 2016 at 02:41

    I am amazed at the number of otherwise intelligent and capable people I know who wouldn’t even attempt to change an electrical plug or fix a dripping tap without calling a professional. At home hubby and I do everything, from re-wiring, plumbing, heating and roofing, and anything we aren’t sure about we look up online. There are some jobs we have got ‘professionals’ in for, but these are rare.
    My point is that most people are afraid to try… And equally afraid of ‘real, get your hands dirty and break a nail’ work. I love being able to fix things, fault find, and think a job through. And I find both sad and amusing that I’m the only female techie anywhere I’ve worked. I’m just one of the lads, with probably the dirtiest sense of humour, and a few anatomical differences.
    I’d far rather be doing manual work, with tangible and real results, than sitting in an office all day. Apart from when it’s midwinter and raining hard! ?

  6. Geoff on November 17, 2016 at 03:44

    Agree with Mike on so much that’s written here. Thanks for sharing here with this non-FB user.

    One thing that strikes me beyond the very real denigration of vocational education in the United States is the pervasive notion that education is something bestowed upon a student by a higher authority rather than acquired through self-directed effort.

    In my experience most employers view a 4-year college degree as a simple proxy for the applicant’s ability to complete a somewhat self-directed project plan over an extended time. People attend college, pay their tuition, apply themselves to varying degrees and graduate with a piece of paper that says they’ve earned a degree. But how truly “educated” are they at the end of the process? Judging from the uncritical thinking apparently rampant on college campuses these days a fair case could be made for universities un-educating their students.

    Few today, it seems, are the young men and women who enter college truly to expand their knowledge and intellect, to challenge authority and attain authentic insights on their own. Most expect – at best – a 4-year party or – at worst – someone to tell them what to think and answer “Is this going to be on the final?”

    Hint for high school seniors – If you aren’t in strong disagreement with your college professors at least some of the time (on the theory and the rhetoric, not on the underlying facts), then they aren’t doing their job and you’re getting ripped off.

    • Richard Nikoley on November 17, 2016 at 10:18

      Perfect comment, Geoff.

      You know, when I drove 2,700 miles across the country in 1979 for my first year in college….$1,100 cash in my possession (would have to get a job quick, before it ran out) it was in a car I had bought from my dad for $900, also a car that blew an engine and we swapped in a new core block together, in the garage.

      Did all my own work. Worked summers as a painter, both for my dad’s contracting company and side jobs where I could make $300-500 profit for painting the outside of a house….and I was pro at it since I grew up in the business.

      I kept that car running all four years. Had to get under it many times. The Starter went out. The brushes had begun to degrade and would gum up the rotor. So, every few weeks I dismounted it, disassembled it and cleaned out the gummy parts between the tines.

      I went to college because it was a requirement to be a Navy Officer.

      Then I got to fuck with engineering, mechanical, electro-hydraulic and electronic and computer systems on ships, in a management role.

  7. Doug on November 17, 2016 at 05:15

    Fantastic post!

    I work in IT and the pay is wonderful, but it is not fulfilling as building a table, installing a disposal, cutting a cord of wood….this is “real” work.

    I am not the 1st to say it, but I really fear what automation will do to “real” work :(

    • LaFrite on November 17, 2016 at 06:51

      It’s all been foreseen by SciFi writers: humans will rebel against machines, which may become taboo.

      • Richard Nikoley on November 17, 2016 at 10:26

        That’s why they call it SciFi.

        Too many writers are fixed-pie-size leftists.

        There will always be idiot Luddite morons.

    • Richard Nikoley on November 17, 2016 at 10:24

      Well, it’s copy/paste, so all credit to Mike Rowe.

      Speaking of disposal units, just switched an in sink one out a bit ago.

      Also had to unseat the dishwasher and delve into the two pumps on the bottom to clear out gunk.

      It’s not rocket surgery.

  8. bonni on November 17, 2016 at 11:28

    I’ve had a crush on Mike Rowe for years and he just keeps making it stronger…. sigh.

    What position should MR fill in Trumps administration? Maybe somewhere in the Dept of Education, if it doesn’t get eliminated.

    fwiw: My husband is an engineer who pushes paper all day. In the evenings he comes home and fixes boats, motorcycles, lawn mowers he picks up second hand and flips them for small profit. Not for the money, but because he says he needs to “produce” something and work does not fulfill that need.

  9. EDR on November 17, 2016 at 12:55

    Reading all this made me yearn for my early days in IT as a bench tech. I had a bag of tools that weighed 60 lbs and used to take apart and repair anything that was a computer or ever connected to one. Never had the passion for fixing cars that my father had, but I seemed to inherit a love of taking apart things and repairing them with my hands.

    Technology has changed and it is tough to find jobs like that now. Working in corporate cube city isn’t physically rewarding and never will be, but it’s a means to an end to have the kind of life I want to have. I avoided it like the plague for years and turned down a few good paying positions…but as time went on and my personal business ventures failed I continued to see that these types of jobs were plentiful outside of California and I needed a fresh start, so I moved to another state and never looked back.

    Best damn decision I ever made. So yeah, this kind of work is miserable for some people, but I’ve found that being broke and miserable is a lot worse than being well paid and a little unhappy.

    • Richard Nikoley on November 17, 2016 at 13:34

      That’s just a fucking awesome comment too, EDR.

      You know how to get hands dirty, etc., and feel the reward.

      You clearly didn’t take anything lightly.

      May I suggest a good hands-on hobby of some sort?

      I say that because I’m actually looking myself.

      • EDR on November 17, 2016 at 16:08

        That is a damn good idea Richard. I’ve been looking for a new hobby or social group lately and have found the last few I’ve tried boring as hell…but they were not hands on. I had a great weight lifting session with a body builder the other day and while it gave me a lot of ideas for my workouts and physique goals, it just didn’t scratch that itch.

        I need to focus on something I enjoy rather than hoping to meet single ladies…old habits die hard. Different kind of hands on, lol. :)

      • Richard Nikoley on November 17, 2016 at 17:12

        I’m narrowed down to woodworking (just built a built-in TV and component cabinet because everything I could buy sucked stinky rotten balls) and model building.

        Did the latter as a kid. Even used the skill to refinish a very old, hardwood, classic Staughton chess piece set given to me by a long passed away uncle,

        But I still don’t know.

  10. Mish on November 17, 2016 at 17:59

    I am a licensed practical (vocational) nurse. I spent the first 15 years of my career rehabbing traumatic brain injured patients. I now teach high school (vocational)students how to become nursing assistants. Most of my students want to become registered nurses. Some will succeed, but a few will remain assistants for life. Still, they will never want for a job, I am constantly contacted by employers looking for good help.

  11. Chris on February 24, 2019 at 07:22

    Started with a photographic memory in high school. It wasn’t a challenge. My family moved around with my father’s forestry job. First job: lifeguard. I was pushed into starting college in my eleventh year of high school. I found the benefit of socializing and waffled on school. That eventually introduced me to trade work. I started in painting and worked up to running a crew. I have always been adept at developing processes and workflows and seeing holes in business operational models. However, to see the holes, I have to do the work. From painting, I moved to working with a property flipper. That initiated me into thinking about what actually sells in relation to trade work. It refined my focus. I tried returning to school to finish a computer science and chemistry degree, but my lack of discipline to sit through classes that I saw as a waste of time (e.g. Calculus III) caused me to return to vocational work. I mean, I don’t see that I need to know any more than differential equations for a chemistry degree. Why is it that I have to be tested on sequences and series? I guess it’s a part of being well-rounded and I should have been more accepting of what was required. Anyway, I climbed my way up the ladder in a small pool company. I made a name for myself because of my work ethic, knowledge base, and results. I set the standard and developed very strong operational practices that helped the business succeed, more than just succeed, prosper. Alas, the owner of the company sold it to a 28 year old who decided that short-term profit was more important than long-term relationships. I am skilled in electrical, plumbing, rough carpentry, concrete/masonry, workspace design, basic water chemistry, filtration, computer networking including rf wireless (not microwave…yet), breadboard electronics, IoT, workstation management, audio/visual installations like home theaters, auto mechanics, and long-range benchrest marksmanship — boats and wake boarding were a thing until I hurt myself, lol. I mention all of this because the things that I find second nature are foreign to a lot of people I work with now. I mean, setting up an email account and managing passwords or replacing an outlet or installing a switch garners wide eyes and shrugged shoulders; yet the appreciation for those that know how and do is a derogatory scoff. I work for an e-commerce company and I was given the title Tech Advisor, whatever that means, and then IT manager. I don’t code or install networks. It seems that even the company leads don’t really have an idea of what talents and/or skills to hire. I manage workflows and optimize. It seems that even college educated people just want to be told what to do. I don’t see much self-direction or self-reliance. There is such a thing as a work/life balance, but what happens when there’s only a handful of people that actually want to have the capacity to setup structure, detail job descriptions, and supervise results? The answer is those that know and have a drive to succeed are the ones at the office late while the others are enjoy the work/life balance.

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