So what am I supposed to think about this. Apparently, the argument that Sowell (whom I usually agree with) is making is that the only reason "illegals" do jobs that "no Americans will do" is because they are willing to work for less, and in their absence, employers will need to pay more, up to the point where Americans will do the jobs. Or, presumably, somewhere between the cost of "illegal" labor and "legitimate" American labor may lie the labor-cost point where employer-capitalists are better off investing capital in increased mechanization and automation.

Bruce McQuain, much to my disappointment, seems to applaud this argument, even though it rests on a sneer: "illegal."

Well, let me be the one to stand up for libertarianism, then. The freedom & liberty position, first and foremost, respects the rights of the employers here; i.e., the capitalists; i.e., the owners. Libertarian doctrine holds that employment arrangements are between employers and employees, and it’s nobody else’s business.

Here’s what I wrote in two comments to that Q&O entry:

So let me get this straight. "They do jobs Americans won’t do" is
flawed because if we kept out the "illegals," then the market price of
labor for particular jobs will increase to the point Americans will do
them.

I
don’t see anything particularly novel or earth shattering about this
"revelation." Keeping Americans (by force, I will add) from purchasing
cheaper alternatives in labor, whether from Mexico or anywhere else, is
no different that denying them the freedom (by force, I will add) to
purchase cheaper alternatives in cars, computers, household goods of
all sorts.

Wow, Neo-"Libertaian" Protectionism. Just bloody wonderful.

I get this response:

Keeping Americans (by force, I will add) from purchasing
cheaper alternatives in labor, whether from Mexico or anywhere else, is
no different that denying them the freedom (by force, I will add) to
purchase cheaper alternatives in cars, computers, household goods of
all sorts.

Well, your blog is somewhat aptly named, I guess.  That logic is truly uncommon.

The scary quotes around illegals
was a nice touch, too. Using illegal immigrants to do labor reduces the
market pressure to mechanize the jobs in question so that individual
workers are more productive. Perhaps we would be better off with
cheaper alternatives to labor.

My further reply:

Silly, silly Mark.

First, those decisions are made by capitalists (hint: capital
investments), not by Neo-"Libertarian" theorists or central planners.
In other words, restricting Americans (by force, i.e., at gunpoint)
from purchasing labor at the lowest price they can obtain, such that
the inflated price suddenly makes capital investment a
bargain is no different than restricting their access to raw materials
or components (i.e., making them "illegal") at the lowest price they
can obtain, in hopes of achieving the same sort of result.

It’s all protectionism, and there isn’t any difference at all.

…Including
using sneers such as "illegal," which have no basis in economic or
ethical reality. If being able to see beyond such self-limiting,
mind-created, unreal restrictions down the the essentials of such
things is uncommon logic, then I’ll certainly bear that charge.


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5 Comments

  1. Walter E. Wallis on May 4, 2005 at 21:26

    Require them to have a Mexican ID that declares they are not a criminal, and to purchase a policy that provides for emergency health care and transportation home. Simple.



  2. Kyle Bennett on May 4, 2005 at 22:02

    Sowell is one of the few guys, that when I disagree with him, my first instinct is to question my own opinion first. I have enormous respect for the guy, possibly more than any other pundit or commentator out there.

    Yes, there's a "but" coming, but let me defend him a bit first. Several parts of his article (I read it directly, and just ignored Q&O's take on it), are simply a non-normative description of the economic consequences of the immigrant labor market. As such, I find nothing to argue with about it.

    But (there it is), the thrust of the article is exactly what you've said it is. He's arguing moral conclusions that just don't hold in full context. Though there's a valid point buried deeply in there that you can't separate the welfare aspects from the whole question, he doesn't take it head on and only strikes it a glancing blow.

    For him to defend immigration restrictions on the grounds of wage pressure is hugely disappointing coming from such an intellectual giant (and I mean that, no sarcasm). For him to characterize the wage pressure as coming from illegal immigration, and not simply immigration, without questioning the law itself, is out of character for him, as well. The writing is sloppy and disjointed, shifting from one point to another with little connection, not up to his usual tightly focused standards.

    Let's hope its just a result of indigestion or a hangover, and not an indication of his actual thinking on the subject.

    As for Q&O, well, I said it in a comment to a previous article of theirs: It didn't take nearly as long as some of us thought it would. What a waste of what appears to have once been some real intellect and talent.



  3. Richard Nikoley on May 5, 2005 at 11:47

    "Burden placed on the rest of the world"? Can you elaborate?



  4. Tim on May 5, 2005 at 10:51

    No one seems interested in addressing the reality around why the US "legal" workers won't take these jobs. Legal US labor is held at an absurdly high value by subsidy. You can maintain a higher standard of living not working in the United States than you can in many parts of the world working fourteen hours a day.

    If you want to talk about the 'gunpoint effects' in the labor market you should consider the burden placed on the rest of the world by that…and the military might that is required to maintain that condition.



  5. John Lopez on May 5, 2005 at 19:56

    Walter Wallis:

    How about everyone just minding their own business, and leaving it at that?