Robb Wolf: Call Allan Savory’s Office (Urban Forests)
Damn, I’ve had a draft of a post going for 2 days, but something always comes up and derails me, like yesterday, about how cop killings are a a good thing: one could say, an economic value—to go all consequentialist Austrian and Chicago School onya.
I beat you readers up so much, so here’s something I don’t imagine anyone can not find so fucking cool! But, I’ll temper that with commentary you’ll surely find offensive, at the end. :)
The TED is like 5 minutes or something: How to grow a tiny forest anywhere, Shubhendu Sharma. Lot’s of pics. Lots of wonderful. I WANT ONE!
So, now, allow me to go a little public policy on your asses.
When are you going to begin lafing at pip-squeak and clown religious activists? No, I’m not talking about people who believe in sky fariries—that’s beyond lafable and really only worthy of uniform ridicule in 2014. No, I’m talking about most activist environmentalists…and vegans.
You see, the only people on the face of Earth more fucktarded than ISIS are the vegans. Shit, they can’t even make a proper meal. If you puruse that link, above, you’ll see a few of them condemning Allan, or whatever.
This is how fucktarded they are, in a nutshell: ‘not proven to work in all places, all of the time, in any circumstance; so meat is murder. SO DON’T EVEN TRY!!!!’
I told you. Hands down, vegans in general and as a group consensus, are the most brain deficient, retarded people on Earth.
They would chop off heads and put it up on YouTube if they were anything but a collection of 70% weak-white-skinny-fat bitches; and 30% guys, who like to get into the panties of weak-white-skinny-fat bitches.
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Always with the negative waves …
“Always with the negative waves …”
I know. It’s such a sign.
The waves are making it into my dream state. I keep having weird dreams that feature you, and I’ve never even met you. Hehe.
Kati:
This morning, I told Bea: tell Sue thanks for taking all the food.
…yea, a dream. Sue is her older sister, and she shut me out of a buffet in my dream, last night. :)
I won’t debate whether my comrades and I are or are not more fucktarded than ISIS, but I shan’t ignore the outrageous assertion that I cannot make a proper meal.
For the record, I won the office chili cook-off one year with my vegan chili. In Texas.
See Gina? The only proper chili has meat in it. :)
You and yours are invited anytime for chili and beer (proper beer made with malt, not some gluten-free tragedy). Bring your orthopedic shoes, because you will stand corrected.
“Bring your orthopedic shoes, because you will stand corrected.”
Spunk & pith all in one. Love it. Can I bring meat?
Of course you can bring meat. Very sweet of you to think of the cats. They are impervious to my vegan propaganda.
Cattle that grazed according to Savory’s method needed expensive supplemental feed, became stressed and fatigued, and lost enough weight to compromise the profitability of their meat. And even though Savory’s Grazing Trials took place during a period of freakishly high rainfall, with rates exceeding the average by 24 percent overall, the authors contend that Savory’s method “failed to produce the marked improvement in grass cover claimed from its application.” The authors of the overview concluded exactly what mainstream ecologists have been concluding for 40 years: “No grazing system has yet shown the capacity to overcome the long-term effects of overstocking and/or drought on vegetation productivity.”
thewildlifenews.com/2013/11/12/allan-savory-myth-and-reality/
slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/04/allan_savory_s_ted_talk_is_wrong_and_the_benefits_of_holistic_g…
freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/03/17/adam-merberg-on-grazing-and-allan-savory-and-ted/
Tell that to the 50 million buffalo that once rumbled across our great plains.
Tell that to the thousands of ranchers who are having great success using similar techniques.
An example of the ridiculous arguments in your links:
” It also requires diligent attention to livestock grazing effects and movement. This kind of diligence and attention is often difficult for ranchers and farmers to implement due to economic and/or human constraints.”
I hope I don’t have to explain why this is just awful.
Another argument in that link is that fencing is expensive. No it’s not. Look into it.
From the Slate article:
” In order for Savory’s plan to work, the stocking density of livestock—the number of animals grazing a given area of land—would need to increase, in some cases, by as much as 400 percent. And for ranchers to make a living, they would sell their beef.”
From Beef Magazine:
” As pastures become more productive, most ranchers increase stocking rate. Fulton says the size of the increase depends on the land and its condition. He’s increased his stocking rate another 80%, but others have gone as high as 400%, he says.”
beefmagazine.com/pasture-range/ranchers-sing-praises-mob-grazing-cattle?page=3
I don’t even get the point of your 3rd link.
Nick:
Thank you sir, for taking the time. I couldn’t bring myself to bother. Seems to me, just intuitively, that Savory’s methods are simply a hack on natural.
All mammals are somewhat social, owing to the constraint of having to suck teat to live (with, for humans, glorious wonder upon the age of puberty :).
Mostly, I wonder why the furious fingers for something nobody ought care about. Oh, unless it really works, of course.
Then we have a problem. I mean, it’s tantamount to Ehrlichs problem explaining why the world didn’t die of starvation in like 1980 or whatever.
Fucktards.
I don’t usually care enough to respond, but this is too important a topic to let disinformation agents convince even one person otherwise. Here’s what it looks like in practice on a ranch: youtube.com/watch?v=fWC9qkYdDNA
Poor dumb cruel farmer talking about “soil health” and “microbes” and “livestock health.” Call PETA!
Wow, Richard. So negative, so full of – for lack of a better word – hate… Doesn’t anything make you happy? I realize you’re going for page hits (and I wish all the people who engage you on a regular basis would realize this as well. Remember, folks: the opposite of love is not hate), but still – are you capable anymore of being positive about ANYTHING?
“Doesn’t anything make you happy?”
No. In fact, I was just now resisting being happy over Joan Rivers’ death.
David said –
“Wow, Richard. So negative, so full of – for lack of a better word – hate… Doesn’t anything make you happy? I realize you’re going for page hits (and I wish all the people who engage you on a regular basis would realize this as well. Remember, folks: the opposite of love is not hate), but still – are you capable anymore of being positive about ANYTHING?”
David, if you don’t agree with Richard about something, then that’s ok, but why don’t you just say what it is, and then back it up with some evidence? Surely a more productive approach, don’t you think?
Dare I say it, but you just may get a more “positive” response. How about it?
I can relate to dissing fanatical veganism, but I think vegan diets, when they are low fat and real food, can teach us something just as low carb diets can. I have been low carb for a few years and have seen my blood sugar steadily rise. After Reading up at Ray Cronise I finally tried a low fat diet, however still with a moderate amount of protein from fish and poultry, and my morning blood sugar has now become normal (from 6 mmol to 5 mmol). This is despite eating up to 280g of carbs a day. It also never spikes above 7 mmol even after a high carb meal provided my last 2 meals has been low fat. I also sleep better and have more energy.
To me it seems this is also something that PHD and paleo dieters seem to ignore, insulin sensitivity can be lowered by eating less fat and more carbs and improved insulin sensitivity will lower insulin levels. I wish I could understand why I believed so strongly for so long that insulin resistance was bad when it was caused by SAD but was healthy when it was caused by VLC.
“I wish I could understand why I believed so strongly for so long that insulin resistance was bad when it was caused by SAD but was healthy when it was caused by VLC.”
Welcome to the world of cognitive dissonance. And, anyone suppose that the link between obesity and IR might shed light on people on LC diets “stalling” in their weight loss?
I think judging people like this might be a premature. I’m Primal, and I eat meat. However, I’m thinking of cutting most meat out and going semi-vegetarian (mostly fish, 3 times a week, a bit of high quality meat here and there).
I don’t strive to do this for “sustainability”, or for the animal welfare per se (although that’s a good goal), or for “health” (as vegans see it).
I want to do it for spiritual reasons. There might (or might not) be a negative connection between eating another sentient being of your own lineage (e.g. a mammal), that could keep you down spiritually. I believe that consciousness is evolving in a similar way the tree of life on each planet is (with species banded together in consciousness monads), so if that’s true, eating a cow or a lamb, is close enough to how it was eating a human in the old days.
Basically, as we evolve in consciousness, and we strive for Oneness, we need to make sacrifices in order to able to unite with our fellow monad “branches” in spirit.
Now, I don’t believe that going vegan or not eating meat is healthy. We are humans, we’re having a human experience, so our bodies are designed to eat meat. However, when you’re striving to make a transition from This to That, you might need to sacrifice your health to do so. It might be part of the deal. Part of the challenge. Every “peace treaty” has its ups and downs.
I used to be an atheist for many years, and I still consider myself an atheist in the absolute meaning of the word. But what I do believe is that consciousness exists, it’s organized, and it’s driving the whole game. And some times, in order to become one with whatever else that has evolved close to us, we might need to make peace with it. We might not be able to unite with the mammalian branch for example, if we keep eating their animals.
At the end, it’s a personal choice: spirituality work, or earthly work. For all we know of course, what I just described above, it’s bull (and many of you who read this would believe it’s bull). But if it isn’t, at least for these spiritually-inclined, then sacrifices might need to be made.
And yet, Richard STILL won’t actually call out the elephant in the room (no pun intended, I swear): Jimmy Moore. He’ll applaud the brutal killing of cops, profane any and all religions, promote misogyny, misanthropy, selfishness, and generally care little for civility or manners – but won’t utter a single critical word against Jimmy Moore.
What else can one do but LAF? (And no, Richard, not WITH you…)
Jimmy helps a lot of people (LC is a gateway drug and I deal in heroin), David, and he doesn’t hurt a flea on purpose.
I make critical distinctions and you make meaningless ones.
Must be nice to not have to deal in complexities and make bets and choices.
although i find some of the HC advocates here just as vicious & dogmatic as LC camp tho.
Hi from WALES UK xxxxxxx This is very new to me, but wot a arse saver !!!!!! Shitting like i couldn’t, farting like a deflated balloon! ! Luvre ya blog Richard xx Fucking excellent dude!!!! Mwah!! Hi Bea xxxxxxxxxxx
Laf, Andrea. U Go, Gril.