What I’m Up To
Rigorously running down stuff Woo posted about what Peter posted about.
Not fucking actually. Actually, I’ve read none of it. Not a word (in amusement, I’m going 100% third hand so far). What I and Duck have done is of record. It’s pristine, and from what I’ve read of that third hand, Even Peter didn’t understand the studies.
Aren’t they very late to the party, 17 posts and 1,500 comments later? Here’s the next thing: The Hormesis Files: Chronic Ketosis and The Case of The Missing Glutathione. Hopefully, it will take fewer posts than 17 for Woo and Peter to get their shit together and stir it up.
…In important news, I got a WiFi Thermostat (Emerson Sensi) working for my backup heater here, a Wlliams gas wall furnace and I can now control the temperature in my Arnold, CA cabin from anywhere in the world via my phone. It required tying into a continuous power source (a “C” wire) to run the WiFi.
Sorry, Woo, just slightly more important.
Woo: go get laid. Please. Or, at least install a WiFi thermostat with a mobile app.
UPDATE: I have added a comment from Duck below that was posted in a separate thread.
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The more we debate what our ancient diets were the more we forget to ask why we care. We are unlikely to know what we ate because it is all ad hoc and it’s a myth that HG’s were healthier anyway. Just look at your current diet and the current scientific literature and see if the evidence stacks up in your favour. It’s all we can do. IMO.
Just to move everything to one place, here’s what Duck wrote in another comment thread:
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Nice try. Woo is too dumb to realize that Peter’s discovery just confirms the research that I quoted in my articles. High serum FFAs in the Inuit were shown as early as 1936, in the very same studies that concluded no ketosis in the Inuit.
• Rabinowitch and Corcoran 1936 concluded no ketosis but showed high FFAs.
• Bang & Dyerberg 1975 said: “One of the most remarkable differences is the high amount of certain long-chained fatty acids in the Greenland Eskimos, not occurring to that extent in other groups. This is valid especially for timnodonic acid (20:5), which represented in the Eskimo maritime food and in their plasma lipids.”
• Ho 1972 said: “Each Eskimo’s serum was tested for the presence of ketone bodies….and all serums were negative…. The fact that the Eskimos had high serum FFA and low glucose levels…indicated that free fatty acids played a major role in body energy production.
I never claimed that the Inuit were high carb. They were low carb, high FFAs, but not in ketosis (they ate too much protein).
The problem with you keto-tards is that you don’t bother to read any of the scientific literature. You just mouth off with knee-jerk reactions—proving that you don’t really take the time to actually investigate anything in-depth. If you bothered to turn a page, or open a document, you would see that no ketosis and high FFAs was commonly observed in the Inuit scientific literature, for well over the past 75 years.
Personally, I found the high FFAs discovery by Peter to be extremely interesting. Stefansson had observed that the Inuit were known to age more rapidly than other cultures. Perhaps the elevated FFAs and low insulin (a recipe for damage from highly reactive dicarbonyls) ties into that observation.
Oh, go read Peter’s article, or the original paper.
The main thing I took away from it is: 81% of these Inuit have a mutation with serious (and complex) metabolic implications.
In light of this, what can we learn now from the ancestral Inuit diet? Odds are the answer is now meaningless to the asker, because they don’t have Inuit genes.
There are lots of candidates for what the Next Big Topic is in diet. I put genotype-specific at the top of the list (at the moment, anyway). This sort of thing is part of why.
@Boundless – “hey don’t have Inuit genes.” European have actual Neanderthal fat-related genes, 3x more of Neanderthal fat genes than Asians.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140402100056.htm
the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/39604/title/An-Ancient-Evolutionary-Advantage-/
I am tired of the word/phrase “cherry pick” and its variants in blog comments. Its like knowledge of scientific catch phrases and the fallacist’s fallacy had a child that embedded itself in the mind of every pseudo-intellectual asshole on the internet.
“Cherry picked, rat studies, anecdotal,” etc. All these absolute dismissals based on “science” phrases without rational discussion or reasonable critique of the underlying issues, is the current form the mindlessness of blog commenters has taken.
Most of the people reading and commenting on Peter’s blog probably can’t even understand what he’s talking about, anyway.
I know I can’t
@Dan
Hey Dan, I am watching you. Won’t you switch to high fiber, INSTEAD?
What is LC? What an empty abbreviation. Does C stands for carbon? Or some fast digestible sugars?
We are not talking carbohydrates, but fiber (= complex carbohydrates = glycans, to feed your starving microbiome). Feed them, or they start eating you.
A better term would be “Microbiota-accessible carbohydrates (MACs)”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbiota_accessible_carbohydrates
You might benefit of some charcoal, sauerkraut, garlic, turmeric, honey, exercise etc., the list is long, as well.
Gemma I have in fact been slightly more carbs these last couple of days. I haven’t felt hungry at all but I think they might have been a bit too high for kept-adaptation. If I am not hungry, and yet don’t become kept-adapted, this might be enough evidence for me to try more fibrous carbs to see what happens. I haven’t mentioned anything yet because it is too soon to tell, but I will keep you posted!
Well it didn’t work out so well. I had some cold potatoes and the couldn’t stop thinking about food all day. The cravings definitely came back.
Beans are what work stellar for me, Dan.
I may have spoken too soon. I had some risotto (cold) this morning and wasn’t hungry until 3pm. This is not atypical for me but it also indicates that I wasn’t any different at least. Had some potatoes tonight and not feeling any different either. So I am going to keep going for a bit. My main decider is my hunger levels.
@Dan
Finally!
Finally we are talking some real food items and not “carbs”.
What about potato hack? To reset you from the “nutritional ketosis” before you go high fiber?
vegetablepharm.blogspot.com/p/the-potato-diet_14.html
I have posted about it just now.