Michael Moore on Trump

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  1. Onlooker on October 26, 2016 at 10:42

    Yep, that fat fuck hits the nail on the head this time. This just might have a significant effect on the undecideds.

  2. thhq1 on October 26, 2016 at 12:15

    Jeez I hope we get Flint back. The bankster world that screwed Michigan is screwing all of us now. I hope Trump can get America humming again; making cars, steel and chemicals using coal and fracked oil.

    I’ve worked in crumbling Michigan paper mills near Detroit, and watched them close. They were over 100 years old. It takes time, energy and expertise to build an industrial complex. The four year window of one president is nothing.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 26, 2016 at 12:22

      “The four year window of one president is nothing.”

      They eat you in bites.

      • thhq1 on October 26, 2016 at 16:07

        I like Daniel Day Lewis’ line “I drink your milkshake”. That’s what Hillary or Trump are about to find out. Obama, and to some extent Bush, drank theirs. They’re left with an empty cup.

        The right thing to do would be block grant all the federal tax receipts to the states using a staff of 10. Then furlough 4 million federal employees, saving half a trillion a year. In 40 years we’d have the national debt paid off. And those former community organizers and Pell grant writers would be retiring from their grocery store bagger and parking lot attendant jobs.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 26, 2016 at 16:53

        Well I’ve said it for many years to my school teacher wife. At a state level, the entire budget can be handled by five decent bean counters, maybe less.

        Next step down should be school principals, with bean counting and management experience, hire & fire authority, etc.

  3. Karl on October 26, 2016 at 13:43

    Could it be that Moore is endorsing Hillary but is a closet Trump supporter? Is this a way for him to show his adoration for a man who is going to shake things up, but does not want to admit he supports a so-called non-liberal? Because that one is going to do what his corrupt democratic friends are unable and unwilling to?

    What does liberal still mean nowadays anyway? Or progressive? I see Trump as more “liberal” and “progressive” in the original sense of these words than his “democrat” adversary. He may make progress to a better and more liberal US, while with the “democrat” it will be just business as usual. And actually far less democratic. These words have been made meaningless by politicians.

    And in the meantime, while you are fixated on how to keep a bitter and corrupt woman to become the worlds most powerful, Putin is skipping several moves on the chessboard. By the time Hillary gets in office, she will have to, for DEMOCRACY, act on “crazy” Putin, with consequences we cannot imagine. OR, if we are lucky, Trump will make a deal with him, allowing him to make his America great again and Putin to clean up the mess from centuries of European and American misunderstanding and mismanaging middle east politics. It’s not about liking Assad, Ghadaffi or Saddam, (or in “our camp”, the worst :Saudis) it is about a lid on the fanatics they have to control.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 26, 2016 at 16:37

      Ha, I wish I knew, Karl.

      I have a post brewing in my head about the illogic of libertarianism, even though I am one.

    • Richard Nikoley on October 26, 2016 at 16:41

      ….It goes kinda like this:

      “Oh, you want to play poker? Good. Now, there are rules of the game and it would be immoral to cheat. But, you can cheat all you want. I won’t, because that would be wrong. It would also be wrong to forcefully preclude you from cheating. So, I’ll play, ante up every time, and you can cheat as much as you want and I won’t stop you. But I win, because I’m virtuous.”

      • Onlooker on October 27, 2016 at 04:54


        Indeed. We’re (let’s face it – white people) being played. Our best qualities, such as generosity, kindness, basic morality, are being used against us and we’ve unilaterally disarmed ourselves. As a result we’re inviting in the invasion of our territory. It’s insanity, and suicidal. The only way our libertarianism/anarchism works to produce a civilized and peaceful society is if we keep the barbarians out – and oust those who won’t maintain certain standards. A paradox for getting there, for sure.

      • Richard Nikoley on October 27, 2016 at 05:32


        Anarchy begins at home. In terms of society at large, “you can’t get there from here.”

        I see it so more clearly now. Libertarians conflate the micro-social with the macro-social. It’s relatively easy to practice anarchic libertarianism on a small scale where everyone is a stake holder and everyone has some measure of influence over group collaborative direction.

        But it does not scale, at least not at the current state of human enlightenment.

  4. Tim M on October 27, 2016 at 04:44

    I hate that guy but he so brilliantly summed up why I will vote for Trump. It’s something that can bring us all together. A big F**K YOU!!! to the establishment. Trump needs to use this thought. I love the image of being there behind the curtain and making that F**K You message loud and clear.

    I’ve been thinking about the famous scene in Network “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore”. This could be the same thing. Tell people to get mad as hell, step into the voting booth, vote for Trump, and then scream out loud “F**K YOU!!! Can you imagine the news this would make? I wonder if that would be protected free speech?

    • Richard Nikoley on October 27, 2016 at 05:21

      Yea, amazing. Could never stand the guy and I hate ambush journalism, generally.

      But damn, even with the populist undertones, the message is so crisp, clear, tight. And on balance, it even undercuts the populism. Perhaps a bit of populism is called for when you realize the whole damn system is so rigged against average folk.

      It’s the political class, huge rent-seeking corporations, Main Pravda Media, academia, elites, government employees with their lavish pensions, etc. all allied in lock step in a “we know what’s best for you, and you’re going to get it good and hard” sort of way.

  5. Richard Nikoley on October 27, 2016 at 05:53

    Just surfing around for various commentary on the speech. Check it out, and many similar articles.


    The reverse splin is that he was taken out of context and later goes on to say, after the “it will feel good” that it won’t last, you’ll regret it, yadda yadda.

    Well, I’d say “that’s kinda irrelevant.”

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