“Have we come in from the desert?” – 40-year Low Carber

It serves to remember that low carbohydrate dieting is just as restrictive as veganism.

The “virtue” for both is in its approach; whereby, rather than forbidding a food group (animals-VG), the other forbids a macronutrient (carbohydrate-LC). But just basically extreme on both counts, and let me show you how I now view it.

It’s always interesting to me how very much in life can be described in terms of “Bell Curves” or Gaussian Functions.

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For Whom the Bell Tolls

It turns out that so many phenomena you wish to examine—whether it be behavioral or even environmental—or even results associated with anything—can be described by such distributions of the dataset you’ve imagined or defined. To explain it generally, there’s always outliers on both sides…but, the vast majority are not too vastly different from one-another. Take pacifists, outright murderers. Juxtapose them with most people. Take just about anything.

In terms of dietary models, LC-styled (moderate, low, ketogenic) diets and plant-based diets (vegetarian, vegan) are outliers—with everyone else having a much more varied, omnivorous diet, including starches.

Want a weird little mind worm to chew on? Take Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh—that used to all be all the same country. Flip it 180 from bottom to top. Bell distribution, with the heavy meat eaters to the left (Pakistanis), vegetarians, the vast majority, in the middle (Indians), and seafood eaters to the right (Bangladeshis). Cool, eh?

As most know, I’ve been blogging a lot about a particular kind of starch—resistant starch—that resists digestion by you and so does not touch blood glucose, but is instead digested by starch and sugar-eating bacteria in your gut that, in turn, give you things like short-chain fatty acid saturated fats that do things like regulate hormones and metabolism; such that, oh so fucking deliciously ironic, eating this kind of starch gives you better blood glucose regulation.

The die-hard, Shiite low carbers FUCKING HATE this FACT. Because, it makes them more wrong than a very wrong thing generally, and for a very fuck of a long time. Save for disease therapy—for those with only specific extra therapeutic needs—ketogenic diets are fucking moronic.

There, I said it. My problem is the prophylaxis bent of the LC movement. Increasingly, they are becoming like Vietnamese bar girls in the 60s and 70′s who think that because antibiotics cure the clap, you ought to just take them all the time. They are becoming just as foolish to me by the day.

Go read it again. This is not a dancing with daisies “lifestyle.” It’s a naturopathic drug that’s appropriate in a tiny sliver (left or right hand of that distribution) of cases. Similarly—but I know far less about it—I can imagine that an extreme vegan diet is appropriate therapeutically, for some. Otherwise, we’re omnivores, and we ought to probably be omnivores with gusto in most cases, because you don’t really know what you might be missing.

Here’s where that title quote came from:

As noted before, I’ve been basically low carb for 40+ years. It was keeping me pretty healthy, but things were starting to go south a bit (won’t bite you with the details) and ketosis wasn’t having the same great benefits it used to have. I’ve been doing PS for three months or so, and I’m shocked at the range of benefits, from digestion to FBG improvement (my BG was in the 80s the last few days at times–never previously). Dreaming is great, but my general mood is way, way better. One question is what is the main cause, better gut critters or better sleep, and I imagine the answer is both. And I also imagine it’s a positive feedback loop. Better sleep + better mood = less cortisol, or something. Anyone know of effects of high cortisol on gut biome?

Have we come in from the desert?

I tweeted it to Jimmy yesterday. No response. I guess it’s tough, since that commenter has been low carbing for about as long as Jimmy has been alive. Of course, I already went after Jimmy a bit and perhaps he’s sore about it.

As I was drafting this, another comment (longtime commenter) came in that’s worthy of dropping in here:

4 tbs a day (6 days a week) of PS has knocked me off my plateau – I was shocked when I looked at the scale the other day (maybe I need to gain a bit of weight back) and I am incredibly lean and muscular and have done nothing more than add PS to my routine of IF and a diet of meat, vegetables, oil (for cooking), nuts and supplement (with some white rice, a bit of fruit, and sometimes dessert on the weekends). I won’t have any holiday poundage to lose in 2014 :) It isn’t overnight however – I started the PS along with everyone else at the first post regarding RS early in 2013 and it has only been in the last few weeks that these results have become more dramatic.

I think that it is high time that low carbing be regarded as the very extreme that it is, along with the costs associated with extremes.

And you? What do you think? Are you yet ready to consider that low-carb or vegetarian / vegan extremists don’t really have your best interests at heart? That, maybe—just maybe—there’s just always excitement, antagonism and attention at the extremes of anything and that’s really more likely what it’s all about, easy attention?

You decide.

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  1. John on December 16, 2013 at 11:30

    As far as I know, the only primitive population that ate a ketogenic low carb diet for any significant length of time were the Inuit, and that was mainly due to necessity. Starchy foods simply weren’t available to them. So it may not be wise to base your entire way of eating on one group that was living in sub-optimal conditions.

    Bet Anthony Colpo will love this post, by the way.

  2. John on December 16, 2013 at 11:53

    I find it humorous how unwilling people are to face the blatant flaws in their dietary paradigms. Low carber arguing with vegan is sure to be as humorous as a baptist arguing with a catholic over whats right.

  3. Justin on December 16, 2013 at 13:50

    Not sure why doing RS is incompatible with LCHF. I don’t see it as restrictive as veganism because the veganism is not ‘low’ meat. Most LCers are indeed omnivores who just avoid high glycemic carbs. So why the animosity toward LCHF here?

  4. Stark Brandstone on December 16, 2013 at 14:07

    While discretion is the better part of valor it is becoming ever clearer that microbes are the greatest part of health.

    I find it quite interesting that the “diseases of civilization” seem to be ramping up in our increasingly antiseptic world. I won’t be the person who claims that cancer and heart disease was unheard of in the world before antibiotics because many of the tests for those diseases were also nonexistent. However, how many exotic, “hereditary” ailments are constantly being diagnosed with seemingly no cause other than bad luck?

    Since we’re all familiar with the fact that 90% of the cells in our bodies are not “ours” but microbes we play host to, wouldn’t it follow that providing the proper environment for them is a (maybe the) major part of cultivating robust health?

    Feed the microbes properly, no more diseases?

  5. Raphael on December 16, 2013 at 14:31

    I ate (today): onions, garlic, kale, sauerkraut, sweet potatoes, salad, 85% & 100 dark chocolate, slow-cooked beef cheeks, fish eggs, mackerel, fennel, butter, coconut oil, brazil nuts, macadamia nuts, olive oil and a few dried grapes…

    This is pretty representative of my daily diet and how varied it is. Depending on my activity level I play around with the ratios – although I’m pretty certain I mostly always “low-carb” and ketogenic a chunk of the time.

    Would you qualify this ‘diet’ as “moronic”?

  6. Rip on December 16, 2013 at 14:34

    “Because, it makes them more wrong than a very wrong thing generally, and for a very fuck of a long time.”

    I will be disappointed if I don’t get the opportunity to work this quote into my working day at least once this week.

    I’m going to give RS a go and see what effects it has. If nothing else, at least my gut will be well fed.

  7. Los on December 16, 2013 at 15:49

    The Future is Poop Analysis. Probably within the next decade all toilets will be medical labs.

    the “Intelligent Toilet” at a show room in Tokyo. The electronic marvel, which is capable of analysing users’ urine, blood and body temperatures,

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news201933408.html#jCp

  8. charles grashow on December 16, 2013 at 16:02

    What do you have against fruit??

  9. Richard Nikoley on December 16, 2013 at 16:16

    “Would you qualify this ‘diet’ as “moronic”?”


    “This is pretty representative of my daily diet and how varied it is.”

    Delusional, too.

    Next question.

  10. Charlie on December 16, 2013 at 17:46

    “Next question.”

    Has anyone tried GasX or BeanO to control/reduce/alleviate the fartage?

  11. Ellen on December 16, 2013 at 19:08

    Don’t know if you care, but your title quote adds an extra s to the original quote, changing it from desert to dessert. As for me, after years of eating VLC with no potatoes I feel like I have come in from the desert and I am feasting on a real dessert when I have some (cooled) mashed potatoes mixed with cream and potato starch. And … I am getting the best fasting BG I have ever had in 20 years of managing my diabetes! Un-believable!

  12. Richard Nikoley on December 16, 2013 at 19:18

    Damn, thanks. I’ve been making that error since 4th grade, in spite of the science teacher saying, “you want more dessert, you don’t want more desert (sand)”

  13. Dan on December 16, 2013 at 19:33

    How long until the RS paradigm breaks down and you find a new pet theory to play around with?

  14. Richard Nikoley on December 16, 2013 at 20:49

    “How long until the RS paradigm breaks down and you find a new pet theory to play around with?”

    Typically I don’t approve an insult comment from a first timer. Commenters have to pay with value add comments and help other commenters to earn the right to give me shit. But I’m feeling magnanimous and I can dispense with you in a flash, so what the hell?

    I suppose you feel more comfortable at places where you can go get “The Word” every day, right Dan? Bet it makes you feel comfy. Any new info comes out, it’s easily dispensed with. For instance, one very hugely popular personality called resistant starch an “anti nutrient” in a blog post a few years back when it came on media radar. Everyone got to dismiss it. He wasn’t the only one. But guess what? He retracted that in his comments on his blog to both Tim & I recently. Others who dismissed it have not only been following along, but a few, including Sisson, have promoted it.

    What looks like to you as fickle is what ought to be normal behavior. I consider anything and everything that’s not ridiculous, like not eating meat.

    This has been going since April, and there are now 45 posts on it, by far the most in one single category. There are many hundreds of people trying it out and posting N=1 in thousands of comments on those 45 posts. I’m guessing you had no idea about that, did you? This just came in within the last hour.

    “As for me, after years of eating VLC with no potatoes I feel like I have come in from the desert and I am feasting on a real dessert when I have some (cooled) mashed potatoes mixed with cream and potato starch. And … I am getting the best fasting BG I have ever had in 20 years of managing my diabetes! Un-believable!”


    Did you see the one about the girl who yo-yoed for 5 years on LC, 20-25 pounds and upon adding RS and changing nothing else, lost 60 pounds in 6 months?

    Of course not, because this is probably the first post you read, and the first comment you made, thinking you knew something when you know nothing. But I’m helping you, see?

    I’ve just cured your abject ignorance.

    Feel free to thank me.

    BTW, how many carbs in a 1 pound bag of potato starch? It’s a trick question, but feel free to use a 1 pound potato as surrogate and estimate. If you get anywhere close, I’ll call it even.

  15. Katie on December 16, 2013 at 21:49

    Just started week 3 of my RS experiment. Week 1, 1 TBSP PS, week 2, 2 TBSP, week 3 just starting 3 TBSP. Weight loss has plateaued for now, but so has the fartage (thank goodness because it’s room-clearing bad). Digestion has felt better even when eating gluten–for years, I’ve had horrible bloating and constipation with large, hard poops. Now it’s nice soft coils as others have mentioned. I’m still hoping for an improvement to my cold hands and feet–nothing yet. We’ll see if time and my future planned dose of 4 TBSP per day help with that.

    One thing I just noticed today was that , for years , I’ve had this whitish gray film on my tongue that can’t be scraped off. The dentist said it ‘a common , but I figured it was a sign of some type of gut dud regulation. Low carbing and paleo– even with probiotics– never helped. Tonight, I noticed that part of my tongue is clear, and the film on the rest of it seems to be loosening. Huge change for me, which I consider to be a very encouraging sign that good things are afoot…

  16. Katie on December 16, 2013 at 21:51

    Sorry for the typos-iPhone autocorrect fail.

  17. Spanish Caravan on December 16, 2013 at 22:22

    Katie, those cold fingers may take some time. I got rid of my low core body temp and constipation quickly but cold fingers lingered until recently. They started going away when I combined RS with probiotics (Prescript Assist and GoL Primal Defense Powder). I hope they’re permanently gone but I can’t be sure. But I no longer have constipation or low temp issues any more. I’m gonna test next week to see if my T3 is high and whether I’m still ANA positive.

  18. Raphael on December 16, 2013 at 23:53

    Thanks for the reply Richard.

    Could you please tell me why it is 1) moronic & 2) delusional?

    (I’m genuinely interested in your answer)

  19. Diana on December 17, 2013 at 04:40

    I think I may have seen it mentioned here on FTA before, but is it possible that no soap / no shampoo helps the critters that live on our skin flourish as RS does with the ones in our gut? Maybe you have come full circle with all this Richard?

  20. Richard Nikoley on December 17, 2013 at 06:04


    Well, first, that’s a bit tongue in cheek. It’s my habit to always call bluffs or dares like that. What you describe may seem varied but it’s not, and especially when you say this is your daily regime. It’s basically an LC diet with some sweet potato tossed in. Sweets have no RS. There’s no reason anyone ought be on an LC diet unless obese, diabetic, suffering neurological conditions, cancer. It’s a therapeutic intervention for a non normal condition. It’s a leap to then think that’s appropriate. I’ve seen way, way, way too many non normal problems with way too many people.

    Moreover, even am Inuit diet that’s LC by virtue of environment has quite an array of unusual plant matter, some of it high in RS. You are getting a tiny amount via nuts, but probably less than a gram per day. Paleo man in most places was getting upwards of 120g (all coprolites have lots of RS). Paleo man had a vastly varied diet and there was no reason in the world for him to avoid starches or fruits in abundance.

    @Diana that is a side project I have been looking into but yes, I consider soap and shampoo as roughly the equivalent of taking an antibiotic every day.

  21. Dan on December 17, 2013 at 06:24

    Not an insult per se, just a dig. You have to admit, you’ve jumped on a number of ideas over the years (been watching you for some time, you were more interesting when you were “paleo”). As for resistant starch, folks seem to have some positive results with it, but then again, most folks switching from a shit diet to paleo also have nothing less of miraculous results. Just as “paleo” sometimes breaks down, how long until “the RS diet” breaks down? I look forward to the next iteration in the quest for optimality.

    Potato starch carbs? Well, 454 grams in a pound, potato starch is about 85% carbohydrate by mass (the rest being water of hydration), so let’s round it off to an even 380 grams. How much is digestible? I don’t know, I assume most of it, does it matter if human biology digests it or microbe biology?

    I’m not enamored with potato starch flour as a RS source (though I use potato starch in my kitchen). More of “JERF” guy myself. I’m sure I get a sizable amount on my non-ketogenic paleo-esque diet.

  22. gabkad on December 17, 2013 at 07:32

    Dan, if you look at how Richard’s ‘hacks’ and ‘biohacks’ have moved along over the years, you’ll see that there has been an accumulation of information that has resulted in valid fine tuning and understanding as to what works and why.

    Learn and enjoy the ride. Please be aware that the importance of the gut biome is a big and getting bigger thing in scientific research. Possibly it is now at what Malcolm Gladwell refers to as ‘the tipping point’.

  23. Richard Nikoley on December 17, 2013 at 07:39

    “You have to admit, you’ve jumped on a number of ideas over the years”

    Well let’s see:

    – “Paleo” LC 2007. I use scare quotes because back in those days, things like mass amounts of bacon, butter, cheese, dark chocolate and nuts and were “Paleo,” but not things like potatoes (and even sweet potatoes were often shunned) and legumes, even though there’s more anti-nutrients in a lot of nuts than legumes like peas, lentils, pinto beans.

    – Promoted intermittent fasting. Still do.

    – Promoted working out while fasted. Still do.

    – Promoted short workout lifting heavy stuff. Still do.

    – Promoted vit D and K2. Still take both.

    – Promoted cold water therapy (and, incidentally, was doing it all along in my gym’s 45-deg cold plunge after every workout for three years before even knowing who Kruse was). Still do. Just recently spent 20 minutes in a cold mountain runoff creek.

    – Various odds & ends like fat bombs, fat bread, various pizza substitutes, etc. Still use all from time to time, but never was any supposed to be some panacea.

    None of these things don’t work. It’s a process of discovery and in some cases, popularizing, promoting, pioneering. I get out in front. But, each new discovery is also a temporary shift of focus until it just becomes routine.

    And it’s also been about myth shattering in the case of the erroneous idea of what Paleo is. It’s not low starch and it does not shun any natural food. Paleo man didn’t know what a carb or a calorie was. In that time and owing to this blog and tens of thousands of comments and my own experience, Paleo is in no way an LC diet. It’s an LC diet like taking prophylactic antibiotics is a “heathy antibiotic lifestyle.”

    It’s dumb. It’s a good therapy for obesity, diabetes, neurological conditions and cancer. In those cases, the “side effects,” just like a drug, are deemed worth it.

    “As for resistant starch, folks seem to have some positive results with it, but then again, most folks switching from a shit diet to paleo also have nothing less of miraculous results.”

    Laf. Guess who’s getting the most benefit? Low carbers, or those formerly damaged by LC.

    “Just as “paleo” sometimes breaks down, how long until “the RS diet” breaks down?”

    That’s the thing. It is precisely RS that is massively—and I mean massively, to the tune of 95%+ of people reporting—correcting these breakdowns. Ergo, it’s very likely that it’s the RS deficiency (LC Paleo gets even less RS in the diet than SAD) responsible for these breakdowns by starving the gut of its best food source and setting up adverse hormonal and metabolic conditions.

    “Potato starch carbs? Well, 454 grams in a pound, potato starch is about 85% carbohydrate by mass (the rest being water of hydration), so let’s round it off to an even 380 grams. How much is digestible? I don’t know, I assume most of it, does it matter if human biology digests it or microbe biology?”

    Alright, so now we see how ignorance leads to problems. The answer is: ZERO. The trick in the question is that I said nothing about cooking it. Potato starch is like a billion microscopic popcorn kernels. 80% RS, 20% water, and the water is locked inside the granule such that when cooked above 140F, they burst. See here:


    Had you seen that post (just posted yesterday) before answering, you might have got it right. 380g is correct, in it’s cooked state. Zero carbs, and zero is digested by you when taken raw. It’s the gut bugs in the colon that digest it and they give of SCFAs (and other stuff) in return and those SFCAa and other things result in a whole host of benefits. You’re regulating hormones and the gut/brain connecting at the very source.


    Nope, sorry. Unless you are targeting RS, you’re getting shit for RS (probably less than 3g peer day) and coprolite studies all over the world show undigested RS, meaning Paleo man was regularly consuming more than 60g daily (that’s 8 TBS potato starch) as that appears to be the outer limit of what the gut bugs can digest and the rest just passes through.

    There are lots of foods that have RS. See here for a long list:


    But it takes effort. Paleo man got it from stuff we don’t eat, such as cattail pollen and such.

  24. Raphael on December 17, 2013 at 07:48

    Call it a bluff or a dare, I was simply willing to confirm you were definitive about such a strong claim: that ketogenic diets are moronic. My intention was not to ‘poke’ you.

    This is in fact representative of my daily regime. Just for more detail – other days I may have: eggs, brains, bone marrow, tripe, (even some pigeon!), more fruit (or no fruit), tomatoes, courgettes, all sorts of herbs that grow easily in the South of France etc..it really depends.
    I was not including sweet potatoes as a way of saying ‘I also consume RS’. I wasn’t even aware of RS before Tatertot Tim (& yourself) brought it to my attention. I am planning on giving it a try – I’m young, open-minded, own a glucose/ketone meter and not seriously sick – so why not give it a try? I’ll be happy to share my results once they’re in.

    I am still confused (really, not trying to ask a leading question): RS is not an absorbable carbohydrate as far as I can tell from what you have posted and corollary Pubmed searches. RS seems to be a fiber that comes from an ‘unusual’ source lets say.

    Please correct if I’m wrong – if it walks, talks and acts like a fiber, why are we discussing the addition of RS to any diet as an increase in carbs? Isn’t it more accurate to discuss the addition of RS (potato starch) to ones diet as the inclusion of additional fiber?

    Also, how could I make my diet more varied according to you? I’m assuming that RS is part & parcel of that advice and I’m happy to give it a go..but what else?

    PS: It’s been 1 month without deodorant, shampoo or soap (still using toothpaste though) – your N=1 there inspired me to try. So far – in the words of Borat – GREAT SUCCESS!

  25. Raphael on December 17, 2013 at 07:55


    I (partially) read through this paper you quoted as part of your evidence of RS consumption during the paleolithic. To be clear – I’m not arguing against the evidence of RS here, simply stating the paper also makes other important claims that are useful to keep in mind.

    “These data suggest that the dietary remains from the coprolites reflect a diet low in plant food diversity. Such a diet would be consistent with a cooler season occupation from late autumn through to early spring. The poor representation of background pollen in the coprolites supports this inference. It is our opinion that the Dust Devil Cave coprolites represent a cool season diet with low food diversity both in plants and animal”

    “We do not presume that our coprolite assemblages are representative of all meals that all members of the communities consumed over an extended period of time, but rather they represent samples of individuals from different generations of hunter-gatherers who occupied the caves, and participated in small animal harvests.”

    “The importance of biochemical assays of coprolites for meat residues lies in the fact that small animal bones are largely digested before defecation. This factor leads to an underestimation of dietary meat reliance in coprolite analysis. This is especially true of fish bone, the majority of which is digested in the intestinal tract”

    [link to the paper: Hunter-gatherer Use of Small Animal Food Resources: Coprolite Evidence] http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1062&context=natrespapers&sei-redir=1&referer=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.bing.com%252Fsearch%253Fq%253Dhuman%252Bcoprolites%252Bfood%252Bcontent%2526go%253D%2526qs%253Dbs%2526first%253D15%2526FORM%253DPERE#search=%2522human%2520coprolites%2520food%2520content%2522

    I will keep looking for the papers discussing the 120g of RS a day – I will read these thoroughly because I do respect the evidence you’ve accumulated.

    Thanks for engaging in the discussion.

  26. Richard Nikoley on December 17, 2013 at 09:00


    First Q: Where in the south? San Raph, by any chance? I lived in Toulon 90-92.

    Anyway, that’s more like it. Hell, if I lived in France I’d pretty much just be eating the way I did on COLBERT and DUQUESNE those two years—except for the weekly tripe (can’t take the smell—my wife LOVES menudo, the Mex version). The kidney…liked the sauce, not the texture. Loved loved loved boudin noir. In fact, that was the very first meal I ate on the ship the night I fist showed up. All the charcuterie, and with those cornichon and butter. I’d consider killing for it. The cheese? Please. I was happy to endure the smell in my apartment in order to have a constant supply of muenster on hand at all times. One guy told me once early on, when I had some nicely ripe muenster and chased it with a good Bordeaux and expressed my nose love: “tu as tout compris!”

    I firmly believe that French cuisine is likely some of the most diverse on the planet and likely the thing that is so protective for them in terms of obesity and heart disease and other stuff. I don’t see much need to change anything. And how many times in the carre was dessert simply a bowl of fruit? Yea, enormous gateau from time to time. But rare.

    Parfait, in my view.

    …And don’t even get me started on sandwich jambon beurre (aver cornichon pour moi). Best sandwich on Earth.

    OMG, that flaky white fish with the funny fork and the white sauce?

    You guys are so lucky!

    …Know what? I’ve made tournedos au roquefort a million times.

    OK, I’ll stop now.

  27. Richard Nikoley on December 17, 2013 at 09:08

    …BTW, in late ’93 I went back. Spent Christmas ’93 as a guest at Domaine de Grenouille just on the outskirts of Saint Raph. My ex-GF had a new bebe and was married to the son of the landowner.

    Don’t know if you ever saw this:


    We all got along great. Virtually impossible to do something like that in US.

  28. Richard Nikoley on December 17, 2013 at 09:10

    ….Oh, yea. The coprolites. That’s Tim’s deal, so I’ll forward to him.

  29. Tatertot on December 17, 2013 at 09:40

    @Raphael – The problem with the coprolite studies is that they are mainly from paleo indians, maybe 10-12,ooo years ago. We see these guys were eating tons of fibery, polleny, boney, stuff. They ate cactus pads and whole onions, whole mice, and pollen by the plateful in season. They ate what they could find. Most of the coprolite research comes from the Chihuahua desert, mainly because it is so dry it preserved the poop extremely well. You may think it’s easy to blow off a few turds dug up in the dessert somewhere, but when you get hit with the fact that these paleo indians lived here and ate basically the same diet FOR 9,000 YEARS, it kind of hits hard.

    If they’d of had big, juicy potatoes, you can bet they would have ate them. If there had been a McDonald’s on every corner–they’d have abandoned their mouse-brains fast.

    Here’s a point about RS consumption–look waaaaaaay back. In Africa, 2,000,000 years ago, man ate yams as a primary calorie source first (along with plants and animals), he did this for 1,000,000 years, then started cooking. He cooked meat and yams, but not like we do–laid them by the fire to soften them up, more likely, and ate them cold (RS3). He ate thos way for another 1,000,000 years–then started migrating around the world–everywhere they went, they found sources of starch (and prebiotics where starch was lacking). Inuit ate seaweed and other plants. Huge source of prebiotics, probably better than Bob’s Red Mill PS.

    We abandoned our RS/prebiotic/whole foods only 10,000 years ago, but probably really got out of touch in just the last 1,000 years.

    If you ask me, eating a couple spoonfuls of potato starch a day and targeting RS2 rich food and prep methods which favor RS3 is one the best things anyone can do for their guts, and the closest you will ever get to a true ancestral diet.

  30. sootedninjas on December 17, 2013 at 11:37

    seaweed ? How much RS is available in seaweed ?

  31. Raphael on December 17, 2013 at 13:46

    I am born in Nice, so a red-blooded Nissard…but living in the burbs of Cagnes-sur-Mer at the moment. The place is as beautiful as it is backwards and racist unfortunately.

    I just a-d-o-r-e boudin noir but haven’t found one recently which isn’t full of wheat flour and other fillers – my search continues.
    Absolutely – for some stupid reason adolescent-me stopped eating cornichons but I have reacquired a taste for those bad boys.
    You’d be surprised (I definitely was) – it’s hard to find quality charcuterie that doesn’t have sugar, dextrose and other non-essentials added to it. You can still find excellent charcuterie obviously, but it’s definitely good to read the labels now – as far as I can tell, 10-15 years ago there was no need for that.

    I’ve lived in Amsterdam, London, Milan and the S. of France – Milan and the S of Fr are the most ‘comfortable’ places food-wise, by far, but Milan is cheaper. Unfortunately, both are trending towards the other big cities and the US…
    [interestingly, my parents were in Milan this weekend and said they saw gluten-free products EVERYWHERE – much less so on the Cote d’Azur]

    Jambons beurre under the sun @ the beach/river – you’ve flooded my brain with great memories ha! I still love them, although I am gluten-free so, ‘tant pis’ :)

    4 beef tenderloins (~150g each)
    2 courgettes
    2 carrots
    1 big tomato
    1 shallot
    2 tsp chives
    120g Roquefort cheese
    2 tbps of Porto (liquorrrr)
    50g butter
    1 tbps olive oil
    salt + paper

    Ok – I’m cooking this. If I die of bliss you’ll have to live with it (happily I’m guessing – as this would be a great way to ‘go’)

    Fish is my go to choice whenever I dine out now (which would be, very very rarely) and the white ones seems to be those that the chefs cook best.

    I hadn’t read your tribute to Gaëlle Beyou but I have now. It’s easy to see that it’s genuine and heartfelt – a beautiful and simple way to ‘celebrate’ a life that impacted others. Without pomp or circumstance – simply because a life and its significance to some is worth remembering. I hope to meet such people.

    Ok, onto Tatertot Tim (love pronouncing that alias!)

  32. GTR on December 17, 2013 at 13:49

    I wouldn’t concede the phrase “plant-based diet” to vegans. Proportions like 85% of calories from plants 15% from animals describe a “plant-based diet”, but a one that is certainly not vegan. Or whatever the line is – 60/40, 70/30 for such classification?

    Some paleo tubers here:

  33. Dr. Curmudgeon Gee on December 22, 2013 at 14:22

    my problem w/ RS is it seems to implemented as a “hack” by most.

    i think it’s perfectly fine for who’re ill or just as a short term hack.

    methink adding copious PS in water & drink it is just stupid, as stupid low fat dieters adding tons of sugar to dilute % of fat; or like Jimmy adding copious amount of butter to “dilute” his meagre yam (like 3 T honey+1/2 yam) or drinking “bullet proof” coffee. these are just hacks.

    i agree w/ Dan; how about JERF for RS. you’d get plenty that way.

    having said that, i do use some PS or tapioca starch in cooking as a thickener.


    ps 2. i don’t think you were being too hard on Jimmy. he’s merely being colleagial (?). but still, good for him.


  34. Richard Nikoley on December 22, 2013 at 15:37

    “i agree w/ Dan; how about JERF for RS. you’d get plenty that way.”

    Then you agree with being wrong. Our real food has almost no relation to Paleoman and in the modern take on Paleo, you’re worse off getting RS than SAD.

    “having said that, i do use some PS or tapioca starch in cooking as a thickener.”

    Laf. Exposes so much ignorance it’s face palm, on 2 counts. I’ve gotta go. Parents and Bea are waiting at a S Tahoe casino.

    I met up and had a nice visit with J Stanton and his place, yesterday.

    Otherwise, DrCG, total lafs. Than’s at least for putting it in the category of complete ignorance after 50 posts and thousands of comments. And thinks for letting everyone know that you are entirely dismissible. Either from ignorance or mind blowing stupidity.

    ‘I get RS by cooking with Tapioca starch.’

    You meant that as a joke, right?

  35. sootedninjas on December 22, 2013 at 16:08

    Can’t wait to read Chris Kresser blog on RS and the upcoming podcast of him with Robb Wolf. Both guys has its own following. Depends on how the podcast go then a lot of those folks will be assimilated.

    Most likely, the traffic on your site will likely increase from normal and the cost of BRM UPS will rise again.

    May I suggest pin the “A Resistant Starch Primer For Newbies” blog post at the home page. It might minimize the upcoming barge of “stupid” questions from laziness of doing more readings. Unfortunately, there is a lot of them out there. Probably it is the same reason why this same folks are not trying it because they are waiting for their “authority” to give the go ahead instead of reading and learning for themselves.

  36. Spanish Caravan on December 22, 2013 at 18:04

    Hey, Doc Curmudgeon, what have you learned during you stay here? RS persists in a fragile state; it’s not something you make dough or thicken soup with. If you wanna thicken soup, use lentils for crying out loud. That shouldn’t be some shattering insight for someone calling himself Doc.

  37. Melissa on January 25, 2014 at 16:48

    You are awesome Richard. I have been low carb for about ten+ years, strictly for vanity and weight control and nothing else. I was quite fanatical about it in fact and ran around telling everyone it was “the only diet that has enabled me to control my weight.” I’ve been on a diet since age 10 (I’m 41 now) so being able to eat meals that included large amounts of juicy fatty stuff seemed like Nirvana. I got down to 120 lbs (im 5’3). About a year and a half ago, my weight started to creep up, and I militantly doubled my carb workouts and cut carbs to 20 or less. I stubbornly refused to admit it “wasn’t working anymore” even though I’ve now gained 15 lbs not to mention that 1.5 yrs ago I was diagnosed w/ adrenal fatigue and “borderline” low thyroid…along w/leaky gut and inflammation, high estrogen and PCOS. I’m not sure if VLC caused all of this…. but it sure seems so.. I’m now trying to add carbs and it’s mentally very difficult…. 3 days of 150 or so starchy carbs and I am guessing I’ve gained 5-7 lbs. I know it’s not “fat,” but still difficult. Anyway thank you for your informative blog – I was so glad to find it, it made me laugh out loud and I’m just enjoying reading everything and soaking up the info.

    • Richard Nikoley on January 25, 2014 at 17:11

      Melissa, seams like you have a bit of a row to hoe.

      I wish you well but, it also seems to me that you know what you’re doing, you know the score.

      You go, girl.

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